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Trump Fires Acting AG Who Refuses to Defend Refugee Ban (newsmax.com)

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[–]Roez 177 ポイント178 ポイント  (101子コメント)

Best objective analysis I've seen on this so far, albeit short, is from Washington Post writer Jonathan Adler:

"A few quick observations. First, the statement [AAG Yate's statement] seems to indicate that the executive order was reviewed by the Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel, which apparently concluded that the executive order was lawful. Second, Yates does not claim that she cannot defend the executive order because it is unconstitutional or because the Justice Department would be unable to offer good-faith arguments in defense of its legality. To the contrary, Yates claims she is ordering the Justice Department not to defend the executive order because it is not “wise or just.” This is quite significant. I am not aware of any instance in which the Justice Department has refused to defend a presumptively lawful executive action on this basis."

Let that sink in.

edit: Extensive law blog by Harvard professor (he's no Trump fan) coming to same conclusion Yates was in the wrong.

[–]schlondark 67 ポイント68 ポイント  (16子コメント)

If the left is reading this, be glad she didn't get away with it

If she did, Sessions would have had the ability to gut any law he disagreed with (Imagine kissing the EPA fully goodbye.)

[–]Vrael22 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (8子コメント)

One can only dream

[–]praguepride [スコア非表示]  (7子コメント)

You don't like the EPA?

[–]Vrael22 [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

Not really. A lot of its job can be relegated to other departments.

[–]praguepride [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

I'm guessing Interior, Commerce, Energy and HHS? I get it and there are several departments I want killed but EPA is a tough one. On the one hand 'boo regulations' on the other hand clean drinking water is one of those things that makes america great. No Montezuma's revenge, so to speak...

[–]Vrael22 [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

I'd rather see regulatory powers gradually eased back into the legislature like it's supposed to be.

[–]ThingsJackwouldsay [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

How many Biologists, Ecologists, Geologists, or any people who's job it is to actually understand the environment and how to protect and safely use it are actually in the legislature? I know it was a whopping two prior to the elections and i doubt that changed much in November.

[–]praguepride [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Hmmm... nice in theory but with the current state of things i wouldnt trust congress to do anything but increase their salaries...

[–]lodger238 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Or to the States. In Mass we have the DEP, they overlap and create duplication of work.

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    [–]I_dont_study 37 ポイント38 ポイント  (39子コメント)

    I'd be interested to hear an argument from the Left on how this is a bad move on Trump's part knowing exactly this. Eh, who am I kidding, never gonna happen.

    [–]Roez 33 ポイント34 ポイント  (11子コメント)

    I just updated the post with a Harvard law professor''s take. He says Yates was basically in the wrong too.

    http://lawfareblog.com/quick-thoughts-sally-yates-unpersuasive-statement

    [–]Diablo_Cow [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

    So after reading that article I'm curious. So say Yates had the ability to redo these events but instead chose to resign. While she thinks she did the right thing and got fired for it, what's the purpose of resigning? As an acting AG she wasn't going to hold that position for much longer and even if she were the AG a resignation just seems like a statement that gets lost to history.

    Granted I'm in my early twenties so I have no memory of a similar circumstance occurring under Obama or Bush, but it seems like a resignation is just a way to distance oneself from a policy the AG doesn't agree with.

    [–]Roez [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

    That's going to depend on who you talk to.

    For me, she made a political move and she didn't faithfully execute her duties by her own admission. While she had the right to not agree with the EO as an individual, it's not her position to determine whether it's the right policy or not. As AAG she gave no legally valid reason to not defend it, and that is her job. In that situation, she should resign to maintain institutional integrity.

    As an aside, keep in mind this is why the press has lost a lot of credibility. If you watch a lot of the MSM tonight you might think Trump's actions are equivalent to a dictator asserting authority.

    When someone starts actually looking to find accuracy or context, it becomes apparent this is, at a minimum, not some major affront Trump has committed. Personally, I try to find people that see both the positives and negatives consistently, and make my mind up from there. It also requires keeping an open mind that somethings will be true I don't like.

    [–]RAZRBCK08 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    Isn't not faithfully executing her duties the exact reason people were upset about the lady from Kentucky not giving out marriage licenses to homosexuals?

    [–]brettbucki [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

    I wouldn't be surprised if she leverages this into a run for political office. She just solidified her hero status as a martyr to the base of the left. You're right that if it were merely an issue if conscience she could have quietly resigned instead of a public faceoff that only had 1 inevitable outcome.

    [–]The_Derpster [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    I kind of doubt she'll be able to leverage it for much. It's just going to be buried in the deluge of presidential news over the next couple weeks; especially with the SC choice coming tomorrow.

    [–]just_a_thought4U [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    She probably saw an opportunity to be a hero to the Dems. Let's see where she takes her new found fame.

    [–]synthesis777 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I'm very liberal and I've saved this link in order to point this out to people. I'm always interested in the truth.

    [–]jonesrr2 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    Should also be noted, Trump's team already vetted and confirmed that the EO was constitutional with the DOJ Office of Legal Counsel. DOJ did say it was, prior to it being signed.

    [–]clothar33 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    Wow this is a great article, and he even remains civil and on point when criticizing Trump:

    One of the many elements of poor governance by the Trump administration was to issue the controversial and poorly thought-through EO when Barack Obama’s Deputy Attorney General is serving as Acting Attorney General

    It does show a bias, but is actually a legitimate and fair criticism (rather than "HE'S A FASCIST").

    [–]default-username [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

    Left-leaner here. I disagree with most of Trump's policies including this executive order. I came to this sub because my initial reaction was that Yates was in the wrong here. Glad to find this.

    I agree with you that there is no argument for this being a bad move by Donald.

    I agree with the top comment in the /r/politics thread though: She was well aware of what was going to happen.

    [–]TheBlueRajasSpork 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (24子コメント)

    "Liberal" here. She didn't give him any choice. He had to fire her but I don't think she was necessarily in the wrong.

    [–]Colonize_The_Moon 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (22子コメント)

    How the hell was she not in the wrong?

    [–]ultimisConstitutionalist [スコア非表示]  (13子コメント)

    I would think this is in the same vein as that woman who refused to give out marriage licences to gays even after the ruling. Legally she was obligated by her job to do so; but morally she didn't feel it right. This is just the flip side of the coin.

    [–]Belchie [スコア非表示]  (11子コメント)

    It's not even close. The clerk personally refused but allowed others to issue licenses. But the acting AG was controlling the entire justice department.

    [–]Miggaletoe [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

    For the point hes making it is the exact same. The person is not willing to do their job because of personal issues that should not impact the job. If you aren't willing to do your job for personal reasons you should be fired.

    [–]Belchie [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

    Wrong. We routinely allow workers exceptions based on religious grounds. Had she not been willing to litigate it personally in court, it may have been comparable (although she would still lack the religious argument). But she didn't allow her entire department to do their job.

    [–]clmddy [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

    Was the clerk being asked to personally preside over marriage ceremonies, or live with the couples?

    [–]Belchie [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    No, just to sanction it with her signature which would validate the marriage, so she instructed other clerks to sign in her stead.

    [–]ultimisConstitutionalist [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

    Yeah I don't believe it. I'm saying this is what liberals are thinking. A similar thing happened in California for Prop 8. For the first time a state law proposition 8 the state refused to defend it. Literally a private party had to show up to the SCOTUS to defend the law.

    Leftists have used this tactic before many times to undermine laws they don't like but have no means of repealing.

    [–]clmddy [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

    I was not aware that was the first time such a thing has happened. Do you know that for sure? (Not a trap, really don't know.)

    [–]Belchie [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    Similar case with a republican AG in Wisconsin, although the Governor hired outside counsel who was paid by the state.

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      [–]BJUmholtzFuck Progressives [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

      As if the clerk wouldn't act unilaterally with more power. C'mon, now.

      [–]Belchie [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

      How do you know this? Do you know her?

      [–]BJUmholtzFuck Progressives [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      "We cannot represent to the court that she would allow licenses to be issued," attorney Mat Staver said.

      Off the top, your argument appears to be ruined when you say she "allowed" others to issue licenses. The quote is from her lawyer addressing the court. She's also on record stating she was doing the will of God.

      It's the same situation. Two people who believe they are acting justly above and beyond their charge and not doing their job. Sorry.

      [–]Racheakt 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Leftist view I presume is while lawful, it was an "icky" thing to do, so it right to not do it.

      [–]TheMagnificentTrump 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Because feelings

      [–]TheBlueRajasSpork [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

      Jeff Sessions seems to think she shouldn't defend the executive order if she thinks it is unlawful

      [–]sixfivefourthreetwoo [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      She didn't think it was unlawful (because there it's quite obviously lawful), just disagreed with it.

      [–]Seymour_Johnson [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

      If she disagreed with the law, the proper thing to do was resign. And nowhere does she say she thinks it unlawful. This was 100% a political move.

      [–]I_dont_study [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      Damn, you proved me wrong. Glad to hear it though.

      [–]TedyCruzHEREEE'S TEDYY [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      Thank you. So much miss information it's crazy, Reddit is making a big deal of this for partisan reasons only, because she would have been replaced no matter what. The only bit of news is the TIMING and the cleverness of her to go out and talk right before, I bet she knew she as going to be replaced too

      [–]armedohiocitizen 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (29子コメント)

      That burns my ass. The "participation award" culture made these people.

      [–]notoriousBONG [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      Which generation gave out the participation trophies so that all of the parents could feel good?

      [–]PickupTrucksandGuns 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (27子コメント)

      The first time they don't get their way when voting for president and they throw an epic shit fest like the children they are.

      [–]The_siderian 43 ポイント44 ポイント  (11子コメント)

      Speaking out against the government when you disagree with them is among the most sacred responsibilities of citizens. Our country would be an absolute hellhole if we blindly agreed with the government just because they are the ones in charge. Were you silent for Obama? Should you have been? Will you be silent the next time a democrat takes office? I won't. I will speak out against the government whenever I believe it is in the wrong, because that is my right as an American and my duty as a patriot. Don't talk down to liberals just because they disagree with you on what is and isn't worth protesting.

      [–]dampmeme 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (7子コメント)

      I agree with this citizen. I know I would be protesting my gun rights down the road if Hilary was president. Just because they're 'dumb' or 'wrong' doesn't mean they're in the wrong.

      [–]tmac25 [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

      Agreed on the citizen portion. However, she was not just a citizen. She was sworn to uphold the Constitution as a public servant. Not following the chain of command to a lawful order from your President is not faithfully upholding their office. An arbitrary decision like this goes against the very rule of law that governs our nation.

      [–]PickupTrucksandGuns [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

      Speak out all you want. This is supposed to be a free country after all. At least that's what we're trying to do here. But the riots are a violent joke, not unlike that of a spoiled child that shouldn't be taken seriously - except for the fact that innocent people are being assaulted by the rioters. And the propaganda coming from the left is beyond extremist and seditionist.

      *never forget: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2R2btO4MEo

      [–]pstrmclr [スコア非表示]  (8子コメント)

      You do know that many many conservatives reacted exactly the same way while Obama was in office.

      [–]PickupTrucksandGuns [スコア非表示]  (7子コメント)

      No they protested and disagreed with policy, but there was nowhere near the same type of radical violent rioting as there is now. White people don't have the same privilage as blacks where they can stand in the middle of the street with a megaphone and declare death to other races.

      [–]pstrmclr [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

      What "violent rioting" are you referring to? All of the recent protests have been extremely peaceful.

      [–]PickupTrucksandGuns [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

      I could list a thousand examples. You are not paying attention. Here are the top posts in sjwhate right now. Just calling out these people for what they are.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jf008xA1x1Q

      https://youtu.be/4202ePmr9IU

      *original video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRS2p_cApks

      ** She's a preschool teacher. She's teaching the next gen.

      [–]pstrmclr [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

      How is this a "violent riot"? It's someone yelling into a megaphone which is a common occurrence at any protest, and well within the bounds of free speech.

      [–]PickupTrucksandGuns [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

      ffs the first link is an apparent Trump supporter getting sucker punched unconscious. If you know anything about fighting, that shit is not a joke. The second link is a lady calling for the death of the white race.

      Just google blm + killing white people. You'll see what's out there.

      [–]tme001Classical Liberalism 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (5子コメント)

      Comments like this only go a long way in furthering the division in the country.

      [–]CramPacked [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      I think the lefties threatening to KILL Trump voters and calling for the assassination of the POTUS is doing that very well.

      [–]sixfivefourthreetwoo [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      You don't treat children like adults, unless they act like adults.

      [–]PickupTrucksandGuns [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

      Yeah my comment is the problem here. People like me aren't the ones on the street getting violent... yet.

      [–]garlicdeath [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      I'm left of center and while I'm late to this news (lol seems like so much happens daily now) I know where the left is on this issue so far but I was more curious on the perspective from the right (non T_D idiots) was regarding it. This is why I subscribe to a lot of the different political subreddits.

      Thanks for comment

      [–]OsakaB [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      Thank you so much for posting Goldsmith's blog. Very interesting and insightful read.

      I am a little confused about the the assertion from Goldsmith and Adler that her statement says she is calling for the justice dept to not defend the EO simply because she thinks it is "not wise or just." Her statement ends with the sentence:

      "At present, I am not convinced that the defense of the Executive Order is consistent with these responsibilities nor am I convinced that the Executive Order is lawful."

      Goldsmith goes on to explain that the AG's job is "to defend an EO of the President not whether she is convinced of its legality. Rather, the standard is something closer to the idea that she should defend the EO unless she is convinced of its illegality"

      What is the main difference between the two statements: "I am not convinced it is lawful" and "I am convinced it is illegal"? Certainty? Defensibility? Is the nuance strong enough to make a distinction?

      In the end, it seems that her role as AG is not to determine IF to defend the EO, but rather to to determine HOW unless she is convinced it is illegal. Right? Couldnt her statement above be an indicator of her professional legal convictions?

      To unfortunate how this has been spun, it is incredibly interesting to analyze the power plays at work here.

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        [–]AgentOrange24Libertarian Conservative 119 ポイント120 ポイント  (41子コメント)

        I would be fired from my job too if I refused to uphold my jobs duties. Welcome to unemployment, Sally.

        [–]GaroldWilsonSnailJrConstitutional Conservative 33 ポイント34 ポイント  (18子コメント)

        Honest question, is it her job to support the president's decision, or to uphold the constitution?

        Also, can someone explain to me how this suspension of immigration from those countries is in fact constitutional if it didn't go through congress?

        Not being snarky just asking honest questions.

        [–]GelatinousYak 35 ポイント36 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Sure. Jason Stapleton lays it out better than I can. It's worth your time to watch.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzM2NvCJpp0

        TLDW: It is legal, constitutional, and it did go through Congress.

        [–]IronPathologistSowellian Buckleyite [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

        Totally constitutional and has precedent. And I'm no Trump supporter. The implementation was totally botched from a political standpoint by idiots on both the right and left.

        [–]-momoyome- 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (9子コメント)

        The president under an act (I don't know which one, I'm in class right now...) is able to limit or restrict ANY group of people from entering the USA.

        [–]GaroldWilsonSnailJrConstitutional Conservative -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (2子コメント)

        Couldn't that act be considered unconstitutional though? Are acts that give the President extra powers allowed in the Constitution?

        [–]TheBlueRajasSpork [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

        This is not true. The Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965 prohibits the President from discriminating immigration on the basis of gender, race, nationality, country of origin, or country of residence.

        [–]poiurewqweruiop [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

        Yes, it is true.

        Read the law, particularly the usage of the word "any."

        [–]SoyBeanExplosion [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

        That seems utterly insane to not be able to restrict immigration from some areas over others.

        [–]LiveFree1773 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

        Not if your plan is to change the demographics of the country compltely.

        [–]krypt_o [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

        Only if you're plan is to change the demographics of the country through immigration, can your plan to limit immigration be viewed that way.

        [–]PubliusVA [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

        She hasn't even said it's unconstitutional. Read the linked articles in the top comment by u/Roez.

        [–]clothar33 [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

        This is a ridiculous question. Theoretically she is the attorney that represents the acting government. If you compare this to a criminal lawyer, the lawyer should not let the "morality" of the crime affect his defense. The lawyer must do the best job he can to represent the client, or resign if he feels he cannot (or simply doesn't want to).

        The analogy here would be a lawyer telling their client "I believe what you've done is immoral and therefore refuse to represent you fairly, but will not resign". It takes the right of counsel away from the client.

        Now the law may absolutely be unconstitutional. But that is for a judge to decide. And the lawyer that defends the law must do his best or resign.

        [–]schlondark 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        I mean she had the job for like another week max

        [–]I_dont_study 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Perhaps she is mentally unstable to fulfill her duties.

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          [–]TheXarath 57 ポイント58 ポイント  (11子コメント)

          The MSM and the liberal talking points will start to compare this to Nixon's Saturday Night Massacre in about 15 minutes, I guarantee it.

          [–]mastercraftsportstar [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

          Psh! It's the Holocaust 2.0 according to Tim Kaine

          [–]WolfofAnarchy [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

          Tim Kaine

          Thanks for the reminder, I have to watch him get assblasted by Pence again in the debate

          [–]WenchSlayer 35 ポイント36 ポイント  (2子コメント)

          they started that half an hour ago

          [–]TheXarath 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (1子コメント)

          Damn I'm way behind then.

          [–]-momoyome- [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

          This just in! Richard Nixon ate chicken on the eve of his resignation. I ate chicken tonight, therefore I MUST be resigning from the presidency!

          That's literally their logic. That's not how freaking formal logic works!

          [–]collin_phReagan Conservative 32 ポイント33 ポイント  (1子コメント)

          Bye felecia.

          [–]EdConcannon 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Breaking: woman refuses to do her job, is fired. In the greater scheme of things, it was a meaningless gesture anyways. She wasn't going to be AG for much longer.

          [–]DEFCON_TWOCivic-Nationalist 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Awesome.

          [–]pk3maross 52 ポイント53 ポイント  (41子コメント)

          Im worried about how the left is going to react to this administration. Look at /r/politics. "FASCISM. DICTATOR. RISE UP" These people have the time to go out, protest, riot, fuck shit up. Its scary.

          [–]GuitarWizard90 31 ポイント32 ポイント  (8子コメント)

          I think they'd be doing the same thing if Ted Cruz, or many of the other Republicans had become president. They were very hostile to Cruz because of his socially conservative views. This is just how the left reacts to anyone who has different views as them. It's probably going to get much worse.

          [–]benny_mack 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (2子コメント)

          McCain was compared to George Wallace, they said Romney would put the blacks back in chains. And now both men are worshiped by the left for sorta "standing up" to Trump. Any Republican until the DNC operated media is dismantled will be harshly slandered. That's why it was important to nominate someone who fights back, whatever his faults.

          [–]AemArr [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

          This image is what I think of. Here is the article to go with it. Every Republican candidate(a few Dems too) has been compared to Hitler and their supporters to Nazis.

          [–]rockflagandeagle- [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

          We got the same shit all over Europe too, everyone is the new Hitler nowadays.

          [–]sxeQ 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

          Cruz, possibly. I really think this reaction is unlike what we would've seen with any other Republican president. I might disagree with someone like Kasich's policies, but that doesn't mean they're absolutely unfit for the job.

          [–]changomacho [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

          I honestly don't think so. Cruz wouldn't have triggered a women's march. I do not think he would have been as reckless. Yeesh, this guy.

          [–]GuitarWizard90 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

          Abortion was the big issue with that march. Cruz strongly opposes abortion. They would have definitely marched.

          [–]changomacho [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

          naah, they were wearing pussy hats, not pro-choice hats. that was one big issue but it was much broader, at least in my opinion.

          [–]Roez 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (5子コメント)

          They aren't even trying to be objective or mildly objective. I've said it elsewhere enough I guess, but Yates didn't actually say it was illegal and even kind of admitted the DOJ approved the EO ahead of time--she was being political, and acted because she simply didn't agree with Trump's actions.

          This is a very good lesson in group think and reaffirmation of one's preconceived beliefs. This is the first time I've witnessed anything like it live, and it's extremely troubling. They are worried about Trump, and fail to see the danger in their own behavior.

          [–]LBJ20XX 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (2子コメント)

          They are worried about Trump, and fail to see the danger in their own behavior.

          If there is an upside to living in a 24/7 connected, non-stop stimulation from every medium imaginable, news up the yahoo society it's that people have developed very short attention spans. Well, I guess they haven't developed short attention spans so much as failed to develop long term attention spans. Point being, we live in a society of "What have you done for me lately?" If the results are what he says the results will be, people will have one question to answer.

          Do I continue to fight even though the numbers say I shouldn't? Or do I listen to reason and accept the fact that I was wrong. Here's the other part. It's already starting to happen.

          Check out this interview. You can see the exact moment when the interviewee realizes what is going on. And once he realizes it, he can't go back. So yeah, I'm not too concerned big picture speaking. Short term and small picture though, could get ugly.

          [–]armedohiocitizen 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          That interview was great and proves what we all know, that these people are clueless.

          [–]PostFunktionalist 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

          "I am responsible for ensuring that the positions we take in court remain consistent with this institution's solemn obligation to always seek justice and stand for what is right," Yates wrote in a letter announcing her position. "At present, I am not convinced that the defense of the Executive Order is consistent with these responsibilities nor am I convinced that the Executive Order is lawful."

          she did say that she didn't think it was lawful

          [–]Roez 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Key distinction is whether she reached conclusion it was unlawful (you might not recognize it matters, but it very much does). She didn't. In fact, a few lines above what you quoted she says she admits there are valid defenses for the EO--that's a big admission toward legality (prevailing in court) and ends any questions about what her duties are.

          Read this law blog if you want a good detailed analysis. The guy's from Harvard Law. http://lawfareblog.com/quick-thoughts-sally-yates-unpersuasive-statement

          He states, " Most importantly, Yates does not say that she has concluded that the EO is unlawful. Nor does she say that defending the EO in court would be unreasonable."

          [–]TheRollingTideONE PARTY [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

          its a bunch of college kids. they will be there all the way up until its time to put up or shutup, then they will be nowhere to be found. eventually when their parents stop giving them money and state finally tells them no, they will have to either stop protesting and get a job or die of starvation.

          [–]RichterNYR35 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (5子コメント)

          This is why Trump is a genius. The more the left screams, and cries, and protests, and riots, the more middle America distanced themselves.

          [–]CramPacked 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (1子コメント)

          I was very standoffish and apprehensive about this new admin. but I must admit dude isn't playing around. Summary execution firings are EXACTLY what needs to be implemented.

          [–]schlondark 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Turns out the dem line about being a "You're hired, not a You're Fired" president isn't looking too bright?

          [–]ultimisConstitutionalist [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

          I'm not so sure, the hysteria on social media is getting a bit ridiculous. They are feeding into their own fear mongering, you can tell them anything bad about Republicans and they would believe it. I'm not sure if this is infectious or if moderates will actually be turned away from it. I'm hoping the latter.

          [–]RichterNYR35 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

          It's not infectious. It has started to become the boy who cried wolf. And the longer it goes on without the world blowing up, the worse they look and the more they push away moderates.

          [–]LBJ20XX 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (1子コメント)

          If I were a gambling man, I would put money on people coming to their senses sooner rather than later. People are going to see results happening and will realize that they would be better off getting on board. And I mean that in all the best ways possible. If you look at some of the lesser reported events happening, you'll find lots of little indicators that the tide is starting to turn.

          Ray Rice/Jim Brown are what jump immediately to mind. I can almost guarantee once we get beyond all this initial chaos and anger and Ray/Jim start working with the administration and getting the message out, people will listen. If there are two pillars of their respective communities, I would put Jim Brown and Ray Rice are it.

          Here's the other prediction. This is just the starting point for the whole immigration issue. He's just setting up on the furthest edge so that way every concession will be seen as massive. Plus he can concede a couple things and still get a majority of what he wants and everybody else will feel like they scored a victory because he waffled on a few points. Everybody walks away feeling like they they won.

          Art of the deal, baby.

          [–]rustyshakelford [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

          I wonder if being outraged 24/7 ever gets tiring? Seems like a sad way to live life.

          [–]FuadiusConservative-Libertarian[S] 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (12子コメント)

          My college is a very STEM heavy school so not too many people are politically active (sad really) but with recent events, they have been getting restless. There's been calls by students to make the campus a sanctuary campus, and make a "Students Against Trump" club. The CR chapter has been called out a couple times on facebook groups (obvious bait) for comments on the EO's.

          [–]mastercraftsportstar [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

          I'm sorry—

          Are you complaining about your campus not being politically active?

          Try finding parking your car on campus while the "Trump is a big meanie" protest is going on. It's hell! So sick of all the stupid posters calling for "Resistance" and "Fascism" and 1984 posters all over school.

          I am envious of you.

          [–]FuadiusConservative-Libertarian[S] [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

          I definitely don't want radical SJW type of political activism plaguing my campus. I'd rather have the type of involvement I saw with students at CPAC and at universities like Houston, or Liberty University.

          [–]mastercraftsportstar [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

          I'm sorry, but if you want political activism on your campus 9 times out of 10 it's going to be crazy SJW shouting fests. I used to be intrigued by them too until I got the message that it's just a chant-reciting virtue signalling party.

          It's hard to engage with someone while they're shouting:

          "HE WILL NOT DIVIDE US!"

          Unfortunately, campuses are all but lost. It amazes me to no end how the faculty will bend over backwards to accommodate these kids. They block entrances to parking lots, block gym access, dorm access, but worst of all.....they stand outside the library and scream their stupid cult-like chants wile you're trying to study...

          Trust me, you do not want campus political activism.

          [–]CramPacked 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (7子コメント)

          That's the best thing ever for college students to NOT be politically active.

          [–]FuadiusConservative-Libertarian[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (6子コメント)

          After going to CPAC I think youth engagement (esp. in thr RNC) is great. Conservative and libertarian are very lacking, and while my campus isn't too politically active, the left essentially believes they won the culture war.

          [–]CramPacked 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (5子コメント)

          Well they have. You are the first gen completely brought up under the full on liberal indoctrination: climate change, gay marriage, "trans" rights etc. I can practically tell who is under 25 just from reading their comments about those. They're all the same.

          [–]TheSquidSquad [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

          Can you go into more detail about how climate change and LGBT rights are "liberal indoctrination?" Not trying to be a dick, just curious about how you came to that conclusion

          [–]ForeverTimon [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

          Damn millennials, thinking that gay people should be treated equally and acknowledging that climate change is real!!

          [–]RAZRBCK08 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

          Not the person you responded to but the government has no business involving itself in marriage. Climate change has been going on for years though, that's not what most people disagree with, they disagree with the tin foil hat alarmists like Al Gore who really enjoys using that jet to travel to places. If people were contributing to climate change then Al Gore would be one of the top donors to it.

          [–]Garizondyly [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

          liberal indoctrination

          FUCKING LUL you troglodyte

          [–]linuxwes 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

          Im worried about how the left is going to react to this administration.

          Trump himself spent 8 years claiming Obama wasn't born here. The right fought him at every turn. You and Trump should reasonably expect the left to do the same to Trump. Unfortunately, that's politics these days.

          [–]YosoffNatural Rights Conservative 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (1子コメント)

          This was a political stunt to make the leftists love her, and it worked perfectly. They are like mindless puppets begging you to pull their strings so the can dance their little dance.

          I hope Trump fires every Democrat in the federal government.

          [–]clothar33 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

          I hope Trump fires every Democrat in the federal government.

          I hope he doesn't. That sets a very dangerous precedent (political discrimination).

          [–]Jebytu 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          He is not messing around, finally an active president!

          [–]WenchSlayer 31 ポイント32 ポイント  (2子コメント)

          the dems are going to play this as some terrible tyrannical move, but any president would do the same. This wouldn't have even been necessary if they hadn't been obstructing approving Sessions because of bogus claims of racism.

          [–]pk3maross 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Yup theyre framing this like Trump is mad with power. Yates knew she would be fired. She was just speaking out for attention. I wouldnt be surprised if Obama encouraged her to speak out.

          [–]benny_mack 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          She openly stated in her letter that the order was ruled constitutional but she doesn't feel like defending it because of personal opinion. Its absurd that the DNC operated media is trying to liken this to Nixon.

          [–]CarolinaPunkEsse Quam Videri 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (2子コメント)

          If an attorney refuses to defend their client.

          They should be fired.

          [–]NotUrAvrageFish 33 ポイント34 ポイント  (1子コメント)

          Fantastic. If you won't do your job, get the hell out.

          [–]SillyAmerican3 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          The AG just isn't used to doing their job aka enforcing the laws

          [–]dogbookend 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          The media has lost their minds about this ignoring that his opinion on this issue is part of what won him the election.

          [–]JumpyPorcupineMinnesotan Reaganite 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Fuck yeah!

          [–]7_legged_spiderLibertarian [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

          Good

          [–]benny_mack 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          A man of action.

          [–]FuadiusConservative-Libertarian[S] 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (1子コメント)

          https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/826229971584708608

          It's going to be an interesting week.

          [–]Roez 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          It's been 9 or 10 days. The guy has about 1450 more to go in current term.

          Fasten seat belts and reserve your admission to the Betty Ford Clinic now.

          [–]therock27 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

          Drain the swamp! Purge all the Obama carryovers!

          [–]MiyegomboBayartsogtSupporter [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

          Who among Us thought this guy would get into the White House and sit on his hands? Trump gets more done before 9 am than most media can report on in a week.

          It seems strange so many people think national borders are unnecessary for the security of a state much less for the general welfare of the people. The fact Trump was elected seems lost on the Left, but the Left is populated by petty tyrants, so that is hardly a surprise. This selfish act was nothing but this bovine brained woman expressing her unmitigated contempt for the Republic and the voters who won this time.

          [–]oneplusoneoverphi 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (4子コメント)

          https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C3dzHD5WIAIakGy.jpg

          This was written by a child.

          [–]Tony_Killfigure 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (1子コメント)

          You can either write to communicate to your audience, or to make yourself sound smart.

          [–]dekuscrub [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

          "We disagree with Ms. Yates's stance and will move forward with an acting AG who will better support this administration."

          Something like the above is not pretentious, and isn't the childish vindictive rant we got.

          [–]Jonathan_Taylor 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Sounds like this child fooled you quite well.

          [–]ACanadeanHick 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

          Who will sign FISA warrants if Sessions is not confirmed in the morning?

          [–]worldmotor 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

          Hopefully no one. Unaccountable spying.

          [–]ACanadeanHick [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

          The point of the FISA court is to make the executive accountable to the courts on spying matters. If we're talking about national security with this immigration stuff then you'd figure foreign surveillance would be even now critical for security.

          Sounds like the WH is using a lower level Senate confirmed attorney as along AG, but the position they were approved for doesn't have FISA authority. I know that breaks with precedent but unsure who has authority to challenge that.

          [–]IronydeLibertarian Conservative 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Worse things happen.