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[–]TheJaice 1179 ポイント1180 ポイント  (14子コメント)

My grandparents were children, living in a German speaking village in the Ukraine, and our family had been there for generations, when WWII started. When the Germans pushed through Ukraine, they gave my grandparents German citizenships, due to the fact that they spoke German. They were forced to work manual labour on their own farms for nothing, and give almost everything to the German soldiers.

When the Soviets pushed back, they fled through Eastern Europe, afraid that the Soviets would kill them as soon as they heard them speaking German. My great-aunt told me stories about their escape that made me weep, including losing a baby to illness, which was buried, through the kindness of strangers, in an unknown town in Poland, and having to leave an older brother and his family is East Germany, because they had a baby that may have cried on the train, and revealed them all.

My grandfather remembers riding a bike out of the city of Dusseldorf (they didn't know it was Dusseldorf until years later) while the British bombers flew overhead, and he dove into a ditch, while my Great-Grandmother lay in a horse-cart in the middle of the road, delivering my great-uncle, by herself, and thinking the bombs would fall on them at any moment.

As a child, I can remember at Thanksgiving and Christmas, my grandfather would never eat pumpkin pie. I found out when the escaped Europe and came to Canada, they had sailed on a boat that was carrying pumpkins, and that was all they had to eat for months, as they crossed the Atlantic. He never ate pumpkin again.

My grandparents were very fortunate to arrive in Canada, and were set up working on beet farms in Southern Alberta, where they spent the rest of their lives. But my Dad was a first-generation Canadian, from a German-speaking family, growing up in the decade after WWII. He and his brothers (and my grandparents) faced a lot of discrimination and hatred as he grew up, but they also found acceptance, and a country that welcomed them with open arms. My Dad, despite being a white male, in his late 50's, is one of the strongest proponents for helping those who are trying to create a better life for themselves, because his parents lived it, and if they had been turned away, my Dad wouldn't be here, I wouldn't be here, my kids wouldn't be here.

My Dad met that baby, his cousin, who had to stay behind in East Germany, when he was in his 30's, and his cousin was in his 50's. He spent his whole life living behind the iron curtain, and my Dad, who is the strongest man I know, cries when he thinks about how close his parents came to a similar fate.

[–]stripesfordays 59 ポイント60 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Your great uncle has literally the best story of being born that I have ever heard.

That was a god damn great read! It really hits hard when you see your dad cry. The few times that has happened to me I have never forgotten it.

EDIT: I am at my friend's house right now and when I just walked inside his girlfriend had lit a pumpkin pie flavored candle. I instantly thought of your grandfather. Thank you for sharing this, your grandfather will now be remembered every time I smell pumpkin pie. I'm so happy there are people like you who share the stories of their ancestors, that was a powerful story that I will never forget until the day I die. May we all have hardships we have to triumph over so that we have stories like this for the next generations.

[–]think_once_more 37 ポイント38 ポイント  (0子コメント)

My god. Your family history was nuts. I can't imagine having that conversation with your father. Thank you for sharing. I love Canada for this. My story mirrors yours in a way, but nowhere near as powerful or painful.

[–]ruralife 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I cant imagine giving birth in the circumstances your grandmother faced. Amazing.

[–]Zexui 5452 ポイント5453 ポイント x3 (253子コメント)

Both my parents grew up during the Khmer Rouge. When my father was a teenager he had to cross the border into Thailand and then back to Cambodia just to gather food for my family. Not only did he have miles to hike but he was also under the threat of being killed by Pol Pot's men or Thai soldiers. When he was 14 he threatened several Thai soldiers with a hand grenade just so he could take home a watermelon. Two of his sisters starved to death. My mom witnessed kids stepping on land mines and people being executed on the spot. My grandfather was executed by firing squad for being a teacher. Luckily both of my parents made it into Red Cross refugee camps. Both of them eventually moved here to the US where they met and had me and my brother. I'm incredibly thankful for the United State's refugee program because I literally wouldn't be alive without it. Now I'm 19 years old and ready to become an educated productive member of society. Although our country may have its problems, I still could not be any more prouder to be a United State's citizen.

Edit: Wow! Thanks for the love friends. We're all a bit divided right now, but I'm hopeful that one day we all can come together and work as one planet.

[–]everyamerican 1074 ポイント1075 ポイント  (101子コメント)

I'm from a small town in the midwest US. I've never known anyone prouder to be American than immigrants who have earned their citizenship.

[–]stripesfordays 2279 ポイント2280 ポイント x2 (87子コメント)

I used to be pretty dyed in red conservative. I fucking hated the idea of immigrants coming into our country. This was back when the rallying cry was "they took our jobs!" Before South Park made fun of that and ruined it for them.

In college, I got a job at a restaurant where the entire kitchen consisted of Mexican immigrants. They became my friends. We shared secret beers during dinner rush, and we got there early to have huge griddles of chilaquiles hot off the cast iron in the morning.

I won't delude you guys and say my mindset changed overnight. It didn't. But when I went to vote, I found it harder and harder to vote for the candidates who debased these people to the level of subhumans ruining our lives.

And then, my close friend, Carlos, got deported. He had a family of 6 people out here. He paid taxes even though he could never take advantage of social security. He was a huge fatass who lived life for himself, and I loved him. He LOVED america more than anyone I knew. Fuck, I miss you, Carlos.

My viewpoints on what patriotism means changed that morning. It means sticking up for the underdog. It means working and celebrating success with other human beings who share your physical space. It means being a man and realizing that what you grew up believing can change.

[–]Paintmeaword 653 ポイント654 ポイント  (39子コメント)

It's amazing how your perspectives can change when you spend time with people from different backgrounds.

[–]JeremyPudding 787 ポイント788 ポイント  (20子コメント)

The cure for prejudice is exposure

[–]theconfuserx2 464 ポイント465 ポイント  (3子コメント)

“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime.”

-Mark Twain

[–]blomqv 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Could that dude be any more on point from a couple centuries away.

[–]creamersrealm 83 ポイント84 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Agreed, growing up in America is great but we take it for granted. The immigrants I know absolutely love this country, and they are so proud to live here.

[–]SnakeyesX 1919 ポイント1920 ポイント  (77子コメント)

My family is from a little island known as Sri Lanka. It's a brown country of little economic value, and 50 years ago it was a state sponsor of terrorism.

They fled that country for the US. If this ban had been in effect, 'Ceylon', as it was then known, would absolutely be on the list.

And I would not have been born.

This is one reason why, in addition to my duties as a husband, taxpayer, and civil engineer, I will never stop fighting the unconstitutional and unconscionable actions of the man acting as our president, and the spineless men and women of the republican caucus who have done nothing to stop him, though it is in their power to do so.

Edit: Yes, I know posting something like this puts me open to hateful PMs and endless trolling. I've already received death threats from family members, nothing yall can say will trouble me.

[–]stripesfordays 375 ポイント376 ポイント  (12子コメント)

Thanks for this. I love patriotism that comes from the heart. I see way too much "fake" patriotism that is just about waving a flag and espousing stupid ideals. If the world was ending and I was in dire need I would be so happy to have people like you guys on my side.

[–]fat_osvaldo 586 ポイント587 ポイント  (10子コメント)

Something unique that differentiates the USA from most other countries in history before it is that it was not built on ethnic heritage, Imperial borders, or religion. It was built on the social contract and civil society that sought to provide a framework through a constitution for a rational, free people. This has come under threat many times, but it will always be the defining thing that makes Americans "Americans", not race, religion, or ethnicity.

Edit; thanks for the gold but go buy a copy of On Liberty by JS Mill instead of wasting your money on the internet

[–]hulagirrrl 34 ポイント35 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You are true blooded American to me because you wrote yall. I am ESL and still have problems writing these short words. 🌺

[–]rchanou 331 ポイント332 ポイント  (24子コメント)

The current anti-intellectualism going on around the country actually reminds me of what happened in Cambodia at its most extreme. It is truly frightening that the people in charge are using "alternative facts" and turning their backs on scientific-based facts.

[–]Zexui 128 ポイント129 ポイント  (2子コメント)

My home country is still feeling the post-khmer rouge consequences. Some youths in the country don't even believe 2 million of their own died during the 70s :(

[–]G1trogFr0g 6186 ポイント6187 ポイント x3 (185子コメント)

The year is 1975 and the Vietnam War has ended. My grandfather has been sent to a Reeducation camp, and my father at 17 years old becomes the man of the house. His uncle and him lease a 20ft fishing boat and for the next 9 months they learn how to operate, sail and feed themselves. Finally one night, he takes his crew, along with 200 others, and sneaks their way out of Vietnam to Malaysia.

After 3 days at sea, they finally see the coast. They start to enter the cove when the authorities using war boats shoo them away back into international waters.

This how I know my father, even at the age is 17, will always be smarter than me. He tells them to keep circling the in-land until they find the richest, most expensive resort they can find. Then, just before dawn, they sneak closely to the white sandy beaches, drop off the women and children quickly, go back out 100 ft and sink the boat. By the time the authorities have discovered them: there are 200 people floating on to the beach, boat sinking, and about 25 white tourists watching this commotion. The authorities cannot afford the bad press and allow them into Malaysia as refugees.

After 9 months, an American church sponsored him to come to America, legally. They paid for his plane ticket, and gave him a place to live and donated clothes (added this edit due to some confusions in the comments)

My father eventually made to America and landed in the dead of Boston's winter with $5 cash, an address, and is wearing shorts no less. Thankfully, a kind American gives him a jacket as he exits the airport.

At 19 years old, owning $5, a borrowed jacket, and without knowing English; he pushed himself into the local college; sometimes ate pigeons caught in his dorm room; drove $300 cars; and graduated with a Bachelors in Engineering and has played a small but integral part in creating the first personal computers.

Edit: grammar, and to thank everybody who has taken the time to read this. And thank you anybody who has ever helped out a refugee.

Edit2: thanks the gold stars! My first!

Edit3: **there seemed to some confusion that I didn't make clear, he came to America legally when a Christian church sponsored him ( he was and is atheist).

[–]lurklurklurkUPVOTE 1735 ポイント1736 ポイント  (48子コメント)

Your father at 17 was smarter then I am at 30.

[–]isenorcj 941 ポイント942 ポイント  (30子コメント)

He may be very smart but it's also the fact that everything was on the line for him. And it's that mentality that stays with refugees and immigrants that makes them so valuable.

[–]theconfuserx2 353 ポイント354 ポイント  (18子コメント)

I can attest to this. My grandfather and grandmother had to escape their country in fear of being killed because of a war going on. They had 6 kids, including my dad, and two sets of extended family with them. That's about 15-20 people that somehow got out of a warzone. All they had was one gun and one knife between them.

This is something they seldom talk about, and to this day I have no idea how they managed to get out. All I know is that I could never pull something like that off in a million years.

Edit: Asked my father, and this is the war they were in

[–]DGsirb1978 184 ポイント185 ポイント  (7子コメント)

You'd be surprised at what you can pull off when failure is literally not an option

[–]uberpumpkin 159 ポイント160 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Don't sell yourself short. His father rose to the level of his ability, saving 200 people. We may all be challenged soon. I am sure you will rise to your ability as well.

[–]tiger13cubed 824 ポイント825 ポイント x2 (46子コメント)

I am a Bosnian-American. My mom and I fled war-torn Bosnia in the early 90's after a man came to our front door and pointed guns at us because of our religion. (I won't say which one but you can guess with one...) We struggled in refugee camps for a couple of years, suffering starvation and disease until we finally got asylum to come to the US. My mom and I are both US citizens and we love our country. We live in the south now and we fear that the same persecution that drove us to flee to the US will make us flee from it.

[–]ChickenPaaahm 58 ポイント59 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I've been trying to get my friends to learn about the entire former Yugoslavia mess as a masterclass in how extreme nationalism can go real wrong, real fast.

[–]kt_zee 102 ポイント103 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Don't flee this will be over one day. It may get worse before it gets better but I have hope that this will end. We are standing strong together and I truly believe we can end this. Hopefully before Trump's 4 years are up. The majority of America wants you here. Your family and all the others that are represented in this thread are what makes America so beautiful. I am deeply saddened and ashamed that this is happening in our country. I am so very sorry that this is happening.

[–]imatumahimatumah 36 ポイント37 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm glad you and your mom made it here safe, and that you are US citizens now. We want you here. We're all immigrants, my grandparents are from Poland and came here for a better life like everyone else. Stay strong and know that people care.

[–]jrshaul 773 ポイント774 ポイント x2 (13子コメント)

My grandfather came to the US in the 1950s.

He had nothing left in Germany. His property was looted or destroyed; his family, almost totally murdered. He'd spent the war fighting for the British without a passport as the only sort of turncoat they'd readily accept - a Jew.

He was a bitter, cynical man with an irrational denial of his own mortality. A man who never fit in and who could never go home. A man whose jeep had hit a German land mine, requiring him to collect the steaming bits of his driver - a kid from Kentucky - from yards around.

And y'know what? Nobody cared.

No one cared that he was German, or Jewish, or had a glass eye (though, in fairness, it was a really good glass eye.) Nobody cared he couldn't stand American food and didn't really get the culture and flatly refused to buy German cars or anything touched by IBM. (His typewriter was a Wang.)

My grandfather was a refugee - one never accepted by the country on whose behalf he fought. An American gave his life for him in the war; but it was America that gave him a life to call his own.

[–]BlaueKrieger 789 ポイント790 ポイント  (7子コメント)

I am an immigrant. My father was murdered in my home country in the late 70's. My mother brought me to the U S., legally, as a child. I went on to serve in the U S. military for nearly three decades, which included tours in Iraq and Afghanistan (twice). During my time in the military I graduated from college with honors and also earned a masters degree. I am now a civilian working professional with a good job, a family and paying a nice chunk in taxes. That's my story in a nutshell.

[–]santaunavailable 1364 ポイント1365 ポイント  (61子コメント)

My cousin secured a Visa right before the Syrian war broke out -- he was supposed to visit us in the summer of my seventh grade.

Then his father was tortured to death by the Syrian government.

We managed to bring our cousin over with his visa, but he had to leave the rest of his family behind.

We're glad we got him the visa.

Edit: Thank you for the gold.

If anyone else wants to gild me, I politely ask that they decline to do so and instead donate to the Syrian American Medical Society. They're good guys.

https://foundation.sams-usa.net/donate/

[–]__mojo_jojo__ 39 ポイント40 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Glad he was inside the country when all of this happened...

[–]SteveAngelis 7461 ポイント7462 ポイント x5 (568子コメント)

My extended family fled from the Germans in the 30's. Most were turned away. A few lucky ones got into Canada, a few into Brazil and South America. The rest were sent back to Germany. All those sent back to Germany died.

Food for thought...

Edit: The only picture I have of some of them. We do not even know their names anymore: http://i.imgur.com/NtCB5QS.jpg

[–]Kichigai 54 ポイント55 ポイント  (7子コメント)

My father and his parents fled from Stalinist Russia amid the purges and having survived the Holodomor.

They spent years following World War II in a “displaced persons” camp (AKA refugee camp) before eventually being sponsored to come over to the United States, right as the Red Scare was starting to heat up.

It's rather upsetting to hear him express support for Trump and his Muslim Ban (back when it was explicitly a Muslim Ban), especially because had a similar ban been in place during the Red Scare (no refugees from Communist countries, we might let in spies and saboteurs) he would have been left to languish in that crappy camp, possibly repatriated back to the Soviet Union, and I never would have been born.

[–]Shadow_XG 1611 ポイント1612 ポイント  (196子コメント)

Did you know Anne Frank was denied refugee immigration to the u.s.?

[–]preme1017 2261 ポイント2262 ポイント  (157子コメント)

The Post cited a paper written by Richard Breitman, a history professor from American University, who argued that Frank's father, Otto, made many attempts to secure visas to flee Nazi-occupied Europe, where Jews were being slaughtered. "Otto Frank's efforts to get his family to the United States ran afoul of restrictive American immigration policies designed to protect national security and guard against an influx of foreigners during time of war," Breitman wrote.

Wow. Sounds awfully familiar.

[–]HipsterRacismIsAJoke 1055 ポイント1056 ポイント  (131子コメント)

Those who don't learn history are doomed to repeat it.

[–]politicize-me 788 ポイント789 ポイント  (90子コメント)

I hated it when the college history majors said this clichéd line because I thought we were different. Perhaps they were right.

[–]TexWonderwood 511 ポイント512 ポイント  (61子コメント)

Yeah that's been my harsh realization of being an adult. As a teen I was like "oh we know this shit already and we are all moving toward progress and being better people."

[–]LuciferandSonsPLLC 157 ポイント158 ポイント  (17子コメント)

It is always terrifying to realize that all the greatest deeds of the past can be undone by failing to act in the present.

The United States has entered a series of crossroads where our character will be tested, where we can absolutely fail, and all the citizens of America will be responsible for any mistakes we make.

[–]XaeVS 218 ポイント219 ポイント  (20子コメント)

I think a ton of folks came of age during a Progressive, forward thinking administration and just assumed that "Progress" just kind of happened. That it was some inevitability of the universe.

Whelp.

[–]supergreekman123 102 ポイント103 ポイント  (9子コメント)

As a 17 year old in the US this describes me. I realized this past weekend that we have to fight to make a progressive change and we were so lucky to have these past eight years.

[–]TheMadTemplar 62 ポイント63 ポイント  (4子コメント)

This is a misconception from learning evolution i think. We tend to think of evolution as a continuous march forward, a constant progression. And that carries over into how we see the world. But the truth is evolution is simply change, moving in neither direction. And like evolution, the world is constantly changing, not always in a good or bad direction but simply changing and adapting.

[–]Mrdeath0 160 ポイント161 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Fuck, I wonder how many of us thought that? Wonder when I realized I was wrong? Definitely this past weekend.

[–]babybopp 120 ポイント121 ポイント  (3子コメント)

My dad is in his deathbed. Cancer. He was born in Africa. America and it's medicine gave him an extra 12 years of life. He is an American citizen. He told me, he wants to be buried at home...here in america.

[–]preme1017 112 ポイント113 ポイント  (4子コメント)

We're the same species we were 50 years ago, 100 years ago or 1,000 years ago. Technology and globalization haven't changed that. Humans have the capacity to do really horrible things no matter what era we live in. It's sad to recognize, but it's crucial that we do so before it's too late.

[–]Octavian_The_Ent 147 ポイント148 ポイント  (16子コメント)

I think many people just genuinely don't care about the plight of people they don't know. I'm not casting moral judgments, I'm saying this as neutrally as possible. I think a lot of people deep down just really don't care about something until it affects them, because why not? Most will probably make an attempt to appear empathetic as a social courtesy, and some won't at all, but many just don't care.

A couple days ago my roommate said "Why should I care about a few Muslims somewhere? It doesn't affect me." Although this line of reasoning disturbs me because of how much it conflicts with what I believe, it is a reality for many people.

[–]casualToad 54 ポイント55 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I think you should stand up and cast moral judgment. I'm trying to stop being neutral. It's time. Speak out for our brothers and sisters. We are Americans, we are good people, we stick up for what is right!

[–]Starbyslave 74 ポイント75 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This. I remember being horrified when my dad ranted about paying my medical insurance and how he hated being responsible for anything but himself. I was 24 at the time and had just been diagnosed with an autoimmune disease that left me unable to get a job for about six months. Without his health insurance, I would have been dead, but here he was ranting and raving about paying for something that kept his daughter alive. We don't talk anymore.

He has that same view about everything. Immigration. Social Security. Pretty much anything with taxes. It genuinely horrorifies me.

[–]gar_DE 580 ポイント581 ポイント  (21子コメント)

Even worse, look up the story of the MS St. Louis, a German ship carrying 937 passengers (most of them Jewish refugees) from Nazi-Germany to Cuba. They all had obtained visas but the Cuban government changed the visa rules and retroactively revoked the visas.

The German captain Gustav Schröder tried to land the refugees in the US and Canada but was turned back both times. So the ship had to turn back with 907 passengers on board, Great Britain took in 288 and the rest were divided up by France, Belgium and the Netherlands.

Only 365 of the 620 passengers who returned to continental Europe survived the war.

[–]AllMenMustBlergh 216 ポイント217 ポイント  (14子コメント)

This Twitter account recently posted individually the ones who were turned away and did not survive:

https://twitter.com/stl_manifest

[–]ATurtleWithoutAShell 38 ポイント39 ポイント  (2子コメント)

After about 20, I had to stop reading. Forgive me.

[–]AmaiRose 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (0子コメント)

When I first read your comment, I didn't understand. Then I clicked the link. I made it all the way through, but I wasn't sure I was going to. Had there been anymore I wouldn't have. My chest burned, and I held my breath trying to get to the end.

That is a powerful use of twitter.

[–]Aidan_King 4286 ポイント4287 ポイント  (264子コメント)

Hey /u/SteveAngelis -- thank you for sharing your story. I'm sorry that much of your family didn't make it.

What pains me is that this is infuriatingly similar to what Trump is doing with thousands of Iraqi's who served as interpreters and advisors for the U.S. Armed Forces during the Iraq War. Emphasis here: THEY SERVED US. They shed blood and put their lives on the line on behalf of you, and me, and our families and neighbors.

These veterans and their families are being persecuted, targeted, and hunted down all because of the role they played in that war. And Donald Trump -- a man who dodged the draft five separate times -- has the gall to potentially send them to their deaths after they've already put their lives on the line for our country.

Words cannot truly capture just how disgusting and shameful and craven that is. It's un-American. Our Commander in Chief is betraying the very people he's sworn an oath to lead. It makes me sick.

EDIT: Just to clarify - I'm not morally opposed to draft dodgers in general (I actually think the draft can be valuable...maybe lawmakers would be less willing to thrust the young men and women of this country into bloody, reckless wars if their own sons and daughters stood a chance of being drafted).

What gets me is that these veterans experienced something that Trump never did. They put their lives on the line for the sake of America and its people. They were even assured that they'd be protected, since everyone knew Al-Qaeda and other militant groups would pursue these "traitors" to the depths of hell and back. Trump sending them back to Iraq -- with no short-term chance of return -- is a death sentence. People who sacrificed and fought for our country are being sentenced to death by a man who has never fought for our country.

That's the reason I bring up the draft dodging. He's a hypocrite. He's betraying VETERANS. This isn't a partisan issue! Don't betray Americans. Don't betray permanent residents. Don't betray veterans. It's not that difficult. You're the Commander in Chief. It's your fucking job to lead these men. To keep them safe. Throwing them to the sharks is not a part of that oath you swore 10 days ago, Mr. President.

EDIT x2: Someone just shared this with me. It moved me. So I want to share it with you.

[–]preme1017 853 ポイント854 ポイント  (92子コメント)

It really is sick. These people put their lives on the line for years in order to PROTECT Americans, and now they're being turned away because of where they were born? These people have been lied to. Not only does this go against everything America claims to stand for, it's just straight up immoral.

[–]Aidan_King 603 ポイント604 ポイント  (66子コメント)

They were promised safety! That was the exchange. Trump is betraying a decade-old promise just to further his own fucked up agenda. It's madness.

[–]N0xM3RCY 196 ポイント197 ポイント  (24子コメント)

All this will fucking do is make more extremist and terrorists. His executive order is just making everything worse, its literally throwing fuel on the fire. I dont get it.

[–]balek 125 ポイント126 ポイント  (6子コメント)

A decade old promise made by the a GOP administration as well. He's abandoning our collaborators and making sure that no one else will work with us in the future, which means that our entire method of warfare in this type of situation is compromised. He has done more damage to our own military strategies with this order than any number of 'enemy combatants' ever could.

[–]rustybeancake 169 ポイント170 ポイント  (19子コメント)

There was an excellent recent episode of This American Life which dealt with just this type of situation (and this was before Trump made it even harder for these poor people to reach safety).

[–]mynameisgoose 121 ポイント122 ポイント  (14子コメント)

Wow, just listened to that episode a few days ago myself.

The heartbreaking story of that woman who essentially lost everything to help the United States, only for her and her family to be turned away by our Government.

No matter how many soldiers lives she saved, no matter how many vouched for her from the ground to top brass -- there was nothing anyone could do against policy and politics.

[–]ThucydidesWasAwesome 298 ポイント299 ポイント  (14子コメント)

Many Jews used Cuba as a trampoline to get to the US. Until the St Louis arrived in Havana to find that Cuba had forbidden more Jewish arrivals because of US pressure to stop serving as a point of transit to America.

After several days stuck waiting in the bay (without being able to even come ashore), the refugees were told they had to return to Europe.

Some made it to England from the mainland, but most were caught and killed by the Nazis.

[–]brokenarrow 107 ポイント108 ポイント  (1子コメント)

That's why the St Louis Project is about. Over the weekend, they tweeted names and pictures (where possible) of attempted immigrants who were turned away at the border, but, I didn't understand the significance of the St Louis part. Thanks!

[–]hoodoo-operator 5268 ポイント5269 ポイント  (198子コメント)

People complaining that reddit is becoming too political seem to forget that the admins blacked out the entire site in protest of a specific bill being voted on in Congress. Making a post in opposition of a president's executive order is small potatoes compared to their political actions in the past.

[–]PC_BUCKY 1550 ポイント1551 ポイント  (52子コメント)

that was the net neutrality bill correct?

[–]Agent_Left_Shoe 634 ポイント635 ポイント  (28子コメント)

Yup

[–]we_belong_dead 1043 ポイント1044 ポイント  (19子コメント)

I've got some bad news. You might want to sit down.

[–]postmodest 974 ポイント975 ポイント  (11子コメント)

No no, Paul Ryan is going to send a free and open Internet to a nice farm upstate! He's also going to send your cousin with ALS there. ...maybe a few muslims. They'll all be happy and play games and maybe do a little work and be free!

[–]_vargas_ 466 ポイント467 ポイント  (21子コメント)

That was a dark day for me. I was on the verge of browsing fark. Luckily, I stumbled on pornhub first. Still, it was a little too close for comfort.

[–]cuteintern 238 ポイント239 ポイント  (5子コメント)

I had to do work. It was as terrible as it sounds.

[–]robotzor 62 ポイント63 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Trying to imagine the productivity of that day must give CEOs boners

[–]Andromeda321 1473 ポイント1474 ポイント  (92子コメント)

Astronomer here! I just had a colleague in the Netherlands who is a kickass astronomer forced to turn down an invited talk to a prestigious institute in the USA. Which would be an amazing career boost and really help out science in the USA as well... but he happens to be Iranian in addition to Dutch, because his father is, so he can't come give his invited talk. This is so fucking awful on so many levels.

My own family's immigrant story because you asked: I am a first generation American, born from Hungarian parents. My father was born in a refugee camp in Austria after WW2- his first crib was a flour crate, my grandfather with two PhDs worked in a rock quarry for pennies, and they got sponsored to Canada when my dad was 3. At the time the USA also discriminated against nationalities for immigration- my family was on the "losing side" of WW2 so were not allowed entry even though they were against the war, of course. But my father moved to the USA with his family in high school the year the law was changed (my grandfather immediately got university teaching jobs until he died), and my dad started a small business that provided for many Americans many times over the initial investment.

My mom came over in the 1980s, as a defector from communism, and married my father. So basically turning her back on her home, at the time with no idea on when she'd ever return. She ultimately got a graduate degree in education and raised some pretty awesome children who are productive citizens (if I may say so), and we are all proud to be Americans.

It makes me so sad now to know that there is right now the equivalent of my father as a Syrian kid out there right now, for whom once again the door is closed.

Edit: a lot of people are saying my colleague should just enter on his second passport. Well guys, when you apply to come to the USA they ask you to list all your nationalities and said visa is typically good for a few years (for European ETSA stuff at least). Not sure when my colleague applied, but when he did he did not want to break the law and was truthful on his application about multiple citizenships. And now he's supposed to fly out next week, but no airline would dream of flying him because he would likely be turned back at the border because of info in his visa that he's also Iranian.

This is one of literally thousands of stories out there. It's not exceptional. Stop acting like he is the problem instead of a stupid, ill-crafted order in the first place.

[–]SirBlah 113 ポイント114 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Astronomer here! I just had a colleague in the Netherlands who is a kickass astronomer forced to turn down an invited talk to a prestigious institute in the USA. Which would be an amazing career boost and really help out science in the USA as well... but he happens to be Iranian in addition to Dutch, because his father is, so he can't come give his invited talk. This is so fucking awful on so many levels.

You know... I think any institute or organisation that truly values people's freedoms, and truly thinks of itself as cosmopolitan, should do all they can to allow people to attend their events, if not physically then virtually. A laptop, projector, and a Skype video call is all that is needed. To just give up because Trump has managed to blockade the physical realm simply legitimises Trump.

While Trump can try putting up physical walls around his country, the internet is global place that transcends borders. So long as the internet is free, or so long as there continues to be anonymous ways of getting around any future walls they try to put up, the internet will remain a place to connect people regardless of where they are in the physical world. We have to take fully advantage of that.

Allowing your colleague, and other people who may have been blocked because of this ban to still attend via the power of the internet would have been a great way for the institute to say fuck you to Trump.

[–]Andromeda321 70 ポイント71 ポイント  (1子コメント)

He will def be giving a virtual talk. But anyone who's done these things knows they're not really a substitute for the real thing.

[–]kakavl 108 ポイント109 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Amnesty works. Here's my story:

My mom carried me, almost 5, and my newborn baby brother on a plane from South America to the US in 1979 to join her husband who had been here six months. They came for economic opportunity, traveling on visitor visas they let expire and working under relatives' social security numbers (who had since moved out of the country).

My mom cleaned houses for a Mexican family business and I remember going with her on days I couldn't go to school, watching her break her back cleaning for other people. The business owner's son had a small industrial equipment company who needed a receptionist and they have her a chance. She taught herself English and within 12 years was a VP managing a major portion of the company's accounts. She also taught herself Portuguese to be ale to communicate and travel to work with their Brazilian customers.

In the meantime she and my dad applied for permanent legal residence under the 1986 amnesty program. I was 12. I was scared because I'd known we were "illegal" and that coming forward there was a risk we'd get sent back. (That happened to my aunt - she had violated a law no one knew about having to do with when she arrived in the US and she had to leave for a year with her newborn daughter). Thankfully we got our green cards.

My dad didn't do so well- he worked at a steel factory for a while until he was laid off. He was a driven entrepreneur at heart but no matter what business he tried they never took off. His most successful attempt were gluten-free cookies that got picked up at the local Whole Foods but he couldn't take his business to scale and it went bad.

For lots of normal reasons, my parents split a couple of years after we got our green cards. My mom worked two to three jobs always, every night, every weekend, while holding her 9 to 5. My dad kept pouring money into doomed businesses so it was up to her to make it all work for me, my brother, and my new sister.

Almost forty years since we came here illegally, I'm now a lawyer working at a small nonprofit (were the ones who'd been fighting against Steve Mnuchin before he was nominated to Treasury Secretary and have been feeding our research to the Senate dems in the last few weeks). I'm married to a wonderful woman and we've been trying to get pregnant for a few years now. My brother is in tech- one of the early, never went to college techies who rode the booms and busts and now still techs with his also techie husband in San Francisco. My sister has two beautiful kids and a husband; he's a graphic designer, she's an x-ray technician at a major sports university.

In 2002, I became a citizen. It was less than a year since 9/11 and again, I was scared that the national reaction might mean even green cardholders weren't safe so I applied for naturalization as quickly as I could. I was sworn in with hundreds of other immigrants at a ceremony in Faneuil Hall in Boston- one of the most historic buildings in this country. I was a grown adult, crying like a kid with emotion. And still, in the moment between when they had us hand in our green cards, walking down the line to pick up our naturalization certificates, I felt in limbo. I thought, if something happens right now, I'm not safe.

This weekend has brought back all of those memories of being scared of being found out as an undocumented kid, of being told never to lose or hand over my green card to anyone because it was my protection, of that moment when I didn't have it and even though I knew my citizenship was literally a few yards away, I was terrified. (As was the elderly lady behind me who asked me whether it was true that we really had to hand over the green card and wasn't that dangerous?)

I don't know to end this comment except to say that I feel incredibly lucky. It was not for any reason personal to anyone in my family that we were never the target of policies like the ones being ordered and carried it today. We're no more hardworking or intelligent or law abiding than most other immigrants, so why do they get this while we got lucky?

[–]elfa82 17.8k ポイント17.8k ポイント x2 (313子コメント)

[–]IAmTheMasterVader 2850 ポイント2851 ポイント  (105子コメント)

I will never not upvote this gif.

[–]Roboticide 1267 ポイント1268 ポイント  (65子コメント)

After starting to watch Community for the first time ever this past month, I was so excited when I got to that scene, just because this .gif finally made sense.

[–]bad4th 1483 ポイント1484 ポイント  (27子コメント)

"Uh, guys...what does a pregnancy test look like?"

"It's like a thin piece of plastic with a thing on the end of it."

"Okay, so this is definitely a gun."

[–]Jondarawr 157 ポイント158 ポイント  (19子コメント)

It never really felt like Donald Glover was given the best jokes community had to offer. He would take a joke that regularly would get a smirk from me and just sell the hell out of it and make me lose it. His timing and delivery perfect.

[–]the_honest_liar 278 ポイント279 ポイント  (14子コメント)

"sense"

[–]BEEF_WIENERS 78 ポイント79 ポイント  (12子コメント)

Oh it really does. That whole show and especially that episode are fucking brilliant.

[–]BokoMaruGranfaloon 27 ポイント28 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Yes. One of my top three favorites. MeowMeowBeenz is another and the one where Abed makes a meta movie.

[–]FedaykinShallowGrave 26 ポイント27 ポイント  (3子コメント)

MeowMeowBeanz is so good it inspired a Black Mirror episode.

[–]unboogyman 990 ポイント991 ポイント  (115子コメント)

Fuck, we're actually in the darkest timeline =(

[–]FuriouFive 340 ポイント341 ポイント  (77子コメント)

I am really hoping for a 'It's always darkest before the dawn' situation. I'm probably wrong, but a man can hope...

[–]Fishb20 184 ポイント185 ポイント  (20子コメント)

Don't worry

In a few hundred years Captain Kirk will come back through from the good timeline, meet up with a vulcan named spock, and turn our dark mirror-verse back to the timeline that it was meant to go on

[–]timotab 214 ポイント215 ポイント  (11子コメント)

in 20 days, I will have been a US Citizen for 6 years

[–]Panda413 23.7k ポイント23.7k ポイント x6 (1127子コメント)

“Our progress in degeneracy appears to me to be pretty rapid. As a nation, we began by declaring that 'all men are created equal.' We now practically read it, 'all men are created equal, except negroes.' When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read, 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty—to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”

― Abraham Lincoln, Speeches and Writings, 1832-1858

[–]Antigonid 6424 ポイント6425 ポイント  (215子コメント)

He wrote this privately to his friend Joshua Speed. Not necessarily important but I think it adds to the strength of this conviction that it wasn't for public positioning.

Edit:typo.

[–]SUSAN_IS_A_BITCH 1315 ポイント1316 ポイント  (168子コメント)

Interesting. I'd never heard of Speed, but reading about Lincoln and Speed reminds me of Hamilton and Laurens.

"Lincoln, though notoriously awkward and shy around women, was at the time engaged to Mary Todd, a vivacious, if temperamental, society girl, also from Kentucky. As the dates approached for both Speed's departure and Lincoln's own marriage, Lincoln broke the engagement on the planned day of the wedding (January 1, 1841). Speed departed as planned soon after, leaving Lincoln mired in depression and guilt. Seven months later, in July 1841, Lincoln, still depressed, decided to visit Speed in Kentucky. Speed welcomed Lincoln to his paternal house where the latter spent a month regaining his perspective and his health."

[–]Antigonid 224 ポイント225 ポイント  (45子コメント)

Unless I'm mixing him up with someone else, Lincoln actually shared a bed with Speed for 4 years and the two became extremely close. This was more common back then, when fathers would share beds with children and other combinations due to a lack of beds. Speed offered Lincoln his bed after finding that Lincoln did not have the money to buy one of his own.

[–]Maester_May 134 ポイント135 ポイント  (11子コメント)

I'm sure it was also a warmth issue as well, I grew up in a house that had a wood stove in on room, and a gas stove in another (aka no central heat), and my bedroom was on the second floor. It got really damn cold at night during the winter, I slept with a ton of quilts and blankets, and my bedroom was above the room with a wood stove, so it was relatively warm.

[–]SUSAN_IS_A_BITCH 105 ポイント106 ポイント  (27子コメント)

I bet those kind of relationships were way more common back then than we'd expect.

[–]dagnart 92 ポイント93 ポイント  (5子コメント)

There is actually interesting anthropological stuff on the rise of awareness of homosexuality and the decline in male-male intimacy. When everybody pretending that same-sex sexual contact wasn't happening (even though it definitely still was) men were comfortable being physically intimate with each other in non-sexual ways and even speaking of their friendships in almost romantic ways. When gay people started demanding to stop living in the shadows and having to hide who they were, the straight men got terrified of being lumped in with them, both because of prejudice and because the suspicion on being gay put someone's life in serious danger. All that intimacy became frightening, which leads us to where we are today. I feel like we're starting to come out of it, but only just.

[–]can-fap-to-anything 143 ポイント144 ポイント  (19子コメント)

I'll share a bed with anyone as long as they don't hog the blankets or smell bad. I wonder what Lincoln smelled like.

[–]Phylogenizer 80 ポイント81 ポイント  (4子コメント)

So what you're highlighting is that strong, independent leaders with the best interests of his or her constituents at heart, can have a public and private position on the advancement of mankind?

[–]Poem_for_your_sprog 1557 ポイント1558 ポイント  (61子コメント)

'A nation made of man,' he spoke,
'Alike in state and stead -
A fond accord of equal folk...
Except for you,' he said.

[–]Pomme_for_your_sprog 239 ポイント240 ポイント  (19子コメント)

«Une nation fait de l'homme,« il a parlé, «Identique à l'état et place - Un accord fond de l'égalité populaire ... Sauf pour * vous *, dit-il.

[–]LuteceLife 2049 ポイント2050 ポイント  (402子コメント)

Wow. It just goes to show you that even back then, Americans felt strongly that Russia sucks, a lot.

[–]turimbar1 2477 ポイント2478 ポイント  (259子コメント)

Russia has sucked for as long as sucking has existed - it's why there are so many great poets and writers from Russia

[–]pjk922 527 ポイント528 ポイント  (17子コメント)

as the old saying goes, Russian history can be summed up with one sentence: "And then, it got worse"

[–]FR_STARMER 782 ポイント783 ポイント  (177子コメント)

Not that they've sucked, but they were the last European country to industrialize, so they are kind of the black sheep of the region. That coupled with the fact that they span two continents are thus are not tied to a particular civilization's culture.

[–]turimbar1 740 ポイント741 ポイント  (117子コメント)

I more meant that the systems of government have always been oppressive to the point that - for most people - life in Russia has sucked since time immemorial.

I recommend you read some Dostoyevsky to get an idea of pre-soviet life.

[–]LotusCobra 382 ポイント383 ポイント  (95子コメント)

indeed, russia has a time honored tradition of ruthless dictators/kings

[–]ChefBoyAreWeFucked 602 ポイント603 ポイント  (70子コメント)

Russia is the only country that, faced with tyranny and oppression, the people have risen up against their oppressors, seized control of their country, and installed their own tyrants, ad infinitum.

Edit: To stop the continued replies. This was mostly a joke. But one thing Russia has more than the others is consistency.

[–]seeingeyegod 198 ポイント199 ポイント  (20子コメント)

I think you forgot France, but at least they finally got it right eventually

[–]ChefBoyAreWeFucked 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I added "ad infinitum" because I knew in reality, it happens fairly often. It just usually stops at some point.

[–]Porkrind710 77 ポイント78 ポイント  (13子コメント)

I mean, it's not that uncommon for the uprising against a dictator to itself become a dictatorship.

The US revolution was more the exception than the rule when it comes to transitions of power. Washington could have easily gone the way of Napoleon rather than just retiring. We're lucky he was as old and eager to retire as he was.

[–]aryabadbitchstark 51 ポイント52 ポイント  (2子コメント)

They say George Washington's yielding his power and stepping away. Is that true? I wasn't aware that was something a person could do.

-King George III

[–]HiflYguy 32 ポイント33 ポイント  (1子コメント)

You're right. A lot of their population were serfs for almost a thousand years. Plus no natural boundaries has lead to numerous invasions throughout history and civilians were ravaged each and every time. Epic History has a great docu series on the history of Russia.

[–]Reutermo 211 ポイント212 ポイント  (27子コメント)

No one have pointed out that Russia sucks more than the Russians.

[–]MoreDetonation 301 ポイント302 ポイント  (22子コメント)

"People say there are no comedians in Russia, but they're there! They're dead...but they're there."

[–]helios_xii 56 ポイント57 ポイント  (21子コメント)

Brother, this is a chest you don't wanna open. Russian comedy is "senseless and ruthless", or "бессмысленная и беспощадная", as we say.

[–]Aanarki 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (16子コメント)

Can you give us some examples that translate well?

[–]Tequ 32 ポイント33 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Man no have food or water, man sent to gulag for not supplying enough grain. Man wife raped by soldier.

[–]mikeash 31 ポイント32 ポイント  (6子コメント)

I found this one on Wikipedia, and it's delightful:

In biology class, the teacher draws a cucumber on the blackboard: "Children, could someone tell me what is this?" / Vovochka raises his hand: "It's a dick, Marivanna!" The teacher bursts into tears and runs out. / Shortly, the principal rushes in: "All right, what did you do now? Which one of you brought Maria Ivanovna to tears? And who the hell drew that dick on the blackboard?"

Also:

"During the Damansky Island incident the Chinese military developed three main strategies: The Great Offensive, The Small Retreat, and Infiltration by Small Groups of One to Two Million Across the Border".

Many more here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_jokes

Edit: I keep finding more worth sharing:

"Nurse, where are we going?" / "To the morgue."/ "But I haven't died yet!"/ "Well, we haven't arrived yet."

A lecturer visits the mental hospital and gives a lecture about how great communism is. Everybody claps loudly except for one person who keeps quiet. The lecturer asks: "Why aren't you clapping?" and the person replies "I'm not a psycho, I just work here."

[–]DaLB53 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (1子コメント)

They're like the Eagles fans of the Eastern Bloc

[–]tomdarch 184 ポイント185 ポイント  (10子コメント)

I despise Putin, and hate that Russia has gone down the path of "cheating" wherever they can - approaching things with the "I'm weak, so how can I cheat my way through this?" attitude.

But I hate that because Russia is also amazing, full of amazing people who deserve so much better than what they accept. They have some of the positive legacies of the USSR - education and some degree of infrastructure. They have amazing natural resources. I despise their government but very much hope that the people of Russia - many ethnicities and religions - can organize themselves to make the Russia they deserve.

Though that's partially selfish - a truly strong, self-developing Russia will improve the world rather than dragging everyone else down for relative advantage, as Putin is doing now through invasions, sowing discord and lies and with his useful idiots.

[–]f_d 51 ポイント52 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Putin could have led his country into an open alliance with Europe and established a lasting world order that doesn't rely on grinding people into the ground for stability. Instead he decided to dismantle the part of the world that was making progress in that direction. It's a tragedy for the world.

[–]IShillForSocialism 366 ポイント367 ポイント  (84子コメント)

Also a somewhat relevant fact - Abraham Lincoln and Karl Marx actually exchanged letters, and shared similar views on the exploitation of labour

Here's Marx's letter congratulating Lincoln on his re-election

[–]KID_LIFE_CRISIS 529 ポイント530 ポイント  (50子コメント)

Labor is prior to and independent of capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration.

  • Abraham Lincoln

[–]T-MUAD-DIB 111 ポイント112 ポイント  (22子コメント)

Holy crap that's a real quote.

[–]PhD_sock 184 ポイント185 ポイント  (21子コメント)

Of course it is. You do realize the vast majority of the general public, and especially the American public, literally has no clue how prescient, precise, and well-reasoned the work of Marx is, right? And that, moreover, he was hardly alone in his devastating critiques of capitalism?

[–]IShillForSocialism 181 ポイント182 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Honestly, that's because most people's only exposure to Marxism is the communist manifesto, which isn't even Marxist theory!
It's like reading the liberal party manifesto of 1848 to understand liberalism, it was written for the largely uneducated proles during the industrial revolution. It was just written to spur on revolutions at the time (literally the year of revolutions) and Marx was young as fuck at the time.

The replies you'll get to your comments will also prove your point, there'll most likely be someone saying "his solutions to the problems were shit" when from about 50 volumes of the collected works of Marx, only like 5 spell out what a socialist society should look like.
He essentially thought that talking about communism now, is like feudal serf's talking about Wall Street and globalisation. The material and social conditions they are in limit and structure the thoughts they can have, ipso facto to envision a blue print for socialism is rather futile, this is a very basic part of Marxism. We are shaped by our material conditions, Marxism is a materialist philosophy.

You'll also probably get some people talking about the soviet union, states, people thinking capitalism = the free market etc. It's insane, what's so bad about reading someone you disagree with? If we live under capitalism, why not listen to it's biggest critics as well as it's biggest proponents?
If you wanted to learn about a family, and there were two kids who recently left. One kid says it's the absolute best family ever, and one kid says it's the worst family ever, would you only speak to one child? Surely you'd listen to both to come to a reasoned conclusion?

Didn't mean to go on a rant, I just don't like the anti-intellectualism and willful ignorance when it comes to Marxism. We're living under capitalism, we don't have a choice, so why not listen to it's biggest critic and see what he has to say?

[–]KID_LIFE_CRISIS 88 ポイント89 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Like Albert Einstein wrote in Why Socialism?

Private capital tends to become concentrated in few hands, partly because of competition among the capitalists, and partly because technological development and the increasing division of labor encourage the formation of larger units of production at the expense of smaller ones. The result of these developments is an oligarchy of private capital the enormous power of which cannot be effectively checked even by a democratically organized political society. This is true since the members of legislative bodies are selected by political parties, largely financed or otherwise influenced by private capitalists who, for all practical purposes, separate the electorate from the legislature. The consequence is that the representatives of the people do not in fact sufficiently protect the interests of the underprivileged sections of the population. Moreover, under existing conditions, private capitalists inevitably control, directly or indirectly, the main sources of information (press, radio, education). It is thus extremely difficult, and indeed in most cases quite impossible, for the individual citizen to come to objective conclusions and to make intelligent use of his political rights.

The ideology of the ruling-class becomes the ruling ideology.

[–]Brettster 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Here's Marx's letter congratulating Lincoln on his re-election

That's really interesting

[–]HysniKapo 58 ポイント59 ポイント  (4子コメント)

There's a collection of Marxist works on US history here, including a bunch on Lincoln and the Civil War: http://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=202462.msg4376235

If anyone has any questions 'bout Marxism or its role in US history, ask away.

Also, to quote from labor historian Philip S. Foner:

The Communist Club of New York was not only the first Marxist organization in the Western Hemisphere; it was the only socialist (and labor) organization that invited blacks to join as equal members. Its constitution required all members to "recognize the complete equality of all persons—no matter of whatever color or sex." The club was also in the forefront of the struggle against slavery, and its members played an important role in mobilizing the German-American workers in opposition to the "peculiar institution." . . . .

By 1860, these workers had become committed to a radical antislavery position. Moreover, men like Weydemeyer, Douai, and members of the Communist Club, including Sorge, formed a significant force in the Republican Party, seeking to push the party in a more radical direction, particularly in the direction of favoring the total abolition of slavery.

When the Civil War began with the attack on Fort Sumter, most of the German radical organizations disbanded because the majority of their members enlisted in the Union forces. The New York Communist Club did not meet for the duration of the war since most of its members had joined the Union army.

Besides mere advocacy and campaigning, Joseph Weydemeyer and Adolph Douai had a more direct influence. A conference was held at the Deutsches Haus in Chicago in May 1860. This was a meeting of German-American representatives from around the country who hoped to influence the proceedings of the Republican National Convention which would be held days later in the same city. Both men attended the conference and Douai was one of two participants tasked with preparing resolutions to be presented to the Convention on behalf of German-Americans. The proceedings of the conference worried the Convention's organizers, who feared the Republicans losing the large German-American vote in various states. As a result the conference had an important (some say decisive) impact on the Convention's decision to nominate Lincoln as the Republican Presidential candidate owing to his strong ties to that community.

[–]Hipstershy 464 ポイント465 ポイント  (75子コメント)

Wow, I haven't heard this quote before. I had to look it up just to be safe. That was... pretty prescient.

[–]Panda413 1087 ポイント1088 ポイント  (24子コメント)

Lincoln was literally the first person to say, "If Trump gets elected, I'm moving!"

[–]SUSAN_IS_A_BITCH 241 ポイント242 ポイント  (15子コメント)

"Popcorn tastes good."

-Abraham Lincoln

[–]Levitus01 86 ポイント87 ポイント  (6子コメント)

"I didn't say this. This quote is made up."

  • Abraham Lincoln.

"Welcome to my world."

  • Confuscious

[–]nzthrowaway70 409 ポイント410 ポイント  (45子コメント)

We are not in new or unique times. Populists have risen up time and time again to target a particular type of human for stealing jobs, controlling the economy, committing crime, or terrorism.

The populist sentiment works on an emotional level, and it's so fucking effective that it keeps happening no matter what. You don't need an ordered understanding of the world, or existing knowledge, to get on the populist bandwagon. You can just feel your way through issues. It's far easier to persuade a mass of people with emotional rhetoric than it is to persuade a mass of people with reasoned discourse that fully evaluates problems from start to finish. The anti-Trump crowd have to rely on people sharing a background philosophy about the importance and value of liberalism to agree with them, because some of their statements seem counterintuitive to "common sense". But populists don't need anything but an emotional commitment to fixing a perceived problem. You see it all the time in the populist contradictions (i.e. let's go hard and kill all of ISIS, even though doing this exact thing 20-30 years ago against al qaeda and the gulf wars is the entire cause of ISIS and all related groups).

[–]teknomanzer 93 ポイント94 ポイント  (19子コメント)

even though doing this exact thing 20-30 years ago against al qaeda and the gulf wars

It's only been 13 to 20 years, brother. I know I'm old but I'm not that damn old.

-Thanks: Desert Storm era vet.

[–]its-my-1st-day 65 ポイント66 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Wikipedia is telling me the First gulf war started in 1990... That's 27 years ago

[–]teknomanzer 79 ポイント80 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Well shit, I can't even round that number down.

[–]_rusticles_ 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (1子コメント)

You can if you're rounding to the nearest 20. It's all about shifting the goalposts to make yourself Technically Correct!

[–]BadgerDancer 291 ポイント292 ポイント  (11子コメント)

I'll add one from Britain to all you people stuck in legal limbo.

"When you are going through hell, keep going."

-Winston Churchill.

[–]T-72 494 ポイント495 ポイント  (46子コメント)

When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read, 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and muslims.'

LMAO old abe was also nostradamus

[–]Facismbot 234 ポイント235 ポイント  (28子コメント)

Know-nothing was an actual party back then

[–]ghfghfghfhhddg 222 ポイント223 ポイント  (17子コメント)

Puts the Alternative-Fact party into perspective.

[–]spiralheart 41 ポイント42 ポイント  (16子コメント)

I'm not sure if it's better to know nothing or know only alternative facts... Probably nothing, because you can still be taught after that. Once you hear "alternative facts" you plug your ears and say "la la la".

[–]837825 56 ポイント57 ポイント  (9子コメント)

Once you hear "alternative facts" you plug your ears and say "cuck cuck cuck".

FTFY

[–]spiralheart 34 ポイント35 ポイント  (8子コメント)

If I never heard "cuck" again I would be happy. These alt right assholes sound like 4chan cancer trolls.

[–]MightyEskimoDylan 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (5子コメント)

I'm about 80% certain that Trump won the Republican nomination because of dipshit btards trolling on a national level.

[–]xerdopwerko 1621 ポイント1622 ポイント  (94子コメント)

How dare Lincoln be so intolerant and call people who don't think like him "know-nothings"? This disconnect between his elitism and the hard-working confederates is why the south won the war. /S

Just trying to sound like the angry Trump supporters on reddit nowadays.

[–]JehovahsHitlist 843 ポイント844 ポイント  (49子コメント)

I know you were being sarcastic but just in case people don't know, the Know-Nothings called themselves that.

[–]rawbdor 148 ポイント149 ポイント  (6子コメント)

I know you were being sarcastic but just in case people don't know, the Know-Nothings called themselves that.

So I guess we shouldn't be surprised there are so many twitter accounts with people proudly declaring themselves as deplorable

Or that wonderful Bannon quote:

BANNON: You have to remember, we're Breitbart. We're the know- nothing vulgarians. So, we've always got to be the right of you on this.

[–]Thenadamgoes 173 ポイント174 ポイント  (15子コメント)

I like that it's relevant even without it's meaning.

[–]Bladelink 205 ポイント206 ポイント  (11子コメント)

Basically the exact same thing as now identifying yourself as an "anti-intellectual". Essentially "I'm an idiot and proud of it!"

[–]brickmack 107 ポイント108 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Well, no. The name came from the group being secret. If a member was asked about it, they "knew nothing"

[–]blubox28 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I thought they called the party "The American Party". I think it was the Democrats that started calling them the "Know-Nothings" because they kept their activities secret and when asked about them they would reply "I know nothing". (Can't see that without hearing German accented English in my head).

[–]xerdopwerko 230 ポイント231 ポイント  (12子コメント)

Oh, the "Know Nothing" party! I read of them years ago. I forgot that.

Still seems to describe certain wings of anti-intellectual politicians nowadays.

[–]MesherVonBron 37 ポイント38 ポイント  (1子コメント)

They didn't call themselves that because they were anti-intellectual, it's because in their early days as a radical anti-immigration group, when questioned as to the motives of their party, they replied "I know nothing", and thus, the know-nothings. The name eventually stuck, which isn't very good branding to be honest.

[–]I_POTATO_PEOPLE 50 ポイント51 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sort of like The Deplorables?

[–]Quastors 62 ポイント63 ポイント  (8子コメント)

[–]LunaFalls 43 ポイント44 ポイント  (1子コメント)

For anyone too lazy to click, this part gave me goosebumps. History truly does repeat itself.

"The Know-Nothing Party, also known as the American Party, ... originated in 1849. Its members strongly opposed immigrants and followers of the Catholic Church. The majority of white Americans followed Protestant faiths. Many of these people feared Catholics because members of this faith followed the teachings of the Pope. The Know-Nothings feared that the Catholics were more loyal to the Pope than to the United States. More radical members of the Know-Nothing Party believed that the Catholics intended to take over the United States of America. The Catholics would then place the nation under the Pope's rule. The Know-Nothing Party intended to prevent Catholics and immigrants from being elected to political offices. Its members also hoped to deny these people jobs in the private sector, arguing that the nation's business owners needed to employ true Americans.

The majority of Know-Nothings came from middle and working-class backgrounds. These people feared competition for jobs from immigrants coming to the United States. Critics of this party named it the Know-Nothing Party because it was a secret organization. Its members would not reveal the party's doctrines to non-members. Know-Nothings were to respond to questions about their beliefs with, "I know nothing." The Know-Nothing Party adopted the American Party as its official name in 1854. "

The page then goes on to summarize their political wins and power.

[–]UtopianPablo 74 ポイント75 ポイント  (2子コメント)

They were working class folks who hated immigrants. Older version of Trump voters.

[–]meeblin 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I believe that Lincoln is referring to the Know-Nothing party, a political group of the time that revolved around nativism.

[–]Pennwisedom 49 ポイント50 ポイント  (13子コメント)

"By the frame of the government under which we live, this same people have wisely given their public servants but little power for mischief; and have, with equal wisdom, provided for the return of that little to their own hands at very short intervals. While the people retain their virtue and vigilance, no administration, by any extreme of wickedness or folly, can very seriously injure the government in the short space of four years."

-Also Abraham Lincoln, first Inaugural Address, March 4th 1861.

[–]2018MidtermElections 3182 ポイント3183 ポイント  (102子コメント)

Tuesday, November 6, 2018
https://www.usa.gov/register-to-vote

[–]screen317 1742 ポイント1743 ポイント  (36子コメント)

[–]buckybone 185 ポイント186 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Also, primaries are important as hell, there's state-level elections in New Jersey and Virginia this November, and gods only know how many state and local elections coming up before then (yes, spring elections are a thing, positions on the ballot then include things like mayors, school boards, aldermen, state Supreme Court justices, etc.)

[–]preme1017 340 ポイント341 ポイント  (6子コメント)

THIS. The political process never stops. It doesn't happen just every 4 years or every 2 years. There are always ways to get involved and take action if you want to.

The power of technology is awesome. Even if there are no elections happening in your state, you can still easily get involved in the political process. And you should.

[–]iheartaegislash 201 ポイント202 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Also important is voting at the local level, which doesn't always take place every two years on election day. Please go out and vote in those elections too.

[–]timetospeakY 32 ポイント33 ポイント  (0子コメント)

My mother was (past tense because she passed away) an immigrant from Venezuela. She came to start her life over after living in poverty and marrying a much older man when she was 19 just to get out of her abusive and suffocating life with her mother. She had a son with her first husband but soon realized she couldn't make a good life for him there and she needed to get as far from her now ex husband who was stalking her with the help of her mother.

She moved to the US with a boyfriend, nothing to their names but a beaten down car which they used to get their first jobs delivering newspapers in the morning before anyone was awake. She did that until she could afford to go to National University in San Diego and get her degree in human resources. That's where she met my dad, a 4th generation Californian, but technically just as much an American born of immigrants as she was. In fact his great great grandfather came from Norway on the first ship around the world looking for a better life.

They eventually got married and had me and then my younger brother. We were born in California, and my mom was the main source of income while my dad started his own business. When my dad's business became substantial enough to support us when I was about 12, she switched to a more part time job while also being an extremely hands on mother. She joined the PTA, ran the elementary school newsletter, drove us to and from school and extracurricular activities, made every meal, took care of the house, the pets, made tons of friends, was known in the community as someone who would step in when there was a need that needed to be met.

She contributed in every possible way that a citizen could, but she kept her Spanish and Venezuelan dual citizenship (she was born in Spain and moved to Venezuela as a child to escape Franco, that's a whole other story), because she was aware that the American Dream was not guaranteed. She always said she'd become a citizen if Hillary ever ran for president though. She was very aware and invested in American politics, which was why it scared her to see how quickly and terribly things could change for Americans, citizens and immigrants alike, and why she kept her foreign citizenships.

She was one "tough cookie" (she loved that American saying). She passed away when I was 15 but she lives in me, my brother, my half brother, her sister and brother in law, their kids (all of whom are now American citizens from Venezuela and have jobs and houses and businesses, or are American students), and all the people she touched. I identify as a product of a hard ass, brave, funny, loving, and incredibly proud immigrant. This country is lucky as hell to have had her for 22 years of her life.

[–]ABomb117 163 ポイント164 ポイント  (0子コメント)

My grandfather and grandmother moved with my dad, his brothers and sisters from South Korea after they escaped North Korea during the Korean War. They originally were planning on going to Brazil but a similar situation happened like what has just happened this week in America and they ended up being able to immigrate to the USA instead and start a life with the literal money in my grandpas pockets. They lived and grew up in the Bay Area and now 35 years later my dad is a successful small business owner in Phoenix AZ with grandchildren and a neat legacy to leave behind. I'll never understand what it was like for them in the old country.

Edit: Spelling and grammar

Edit: First time being gifted gold. Glad it was over something meaningful. Thanks stranger

[–]swim_to_survive 385 ポイント386 ポイント  (10子コメント)

This story starts with my father, an Iranian immigrant, and son of a modest government worker. My grandparents with an educational obtainment no greater than basic grade school, knew that if their three children (my father, aunt, and uncle) were to succeed in any aspects of life they would need an education. So, they lived in great modesty, only making sure the money they made went to give my father and his siblings the best school they could afford. His days and evenings were spent studying as he approached the end of high school, as only a small percentage of students got into the universities there. Thankfully he passed, and a friend of his suggested that my father attend university in America. It wasn’t a bad idea, given the political climate in Tehran. The year was 1977, and a world away Star Wars was introducing America to a galactic empire of fear and tyranny, but there in Tehran, tensions were to a breaking point under the ruthless dictatorship of the American-instilled Shah. In the days when Tehran fell also birthed a new hope, my father managed to get a visa to America and decided to go and stay with some cousins in the Midwest.

In what was described to me as a scene out of an Indiana Jones movie, my dad made it onto a runway and had to climb up a rope ladder into a moving plane as military forces drove down the runway trying to prevent them leaving. It was the last time my dad would see my uncle.

My dad settled in Gary, Indiana. Young and inspired, but speaking very little English, he worked three jobs while applying to schools. He got into M.I.T. but unfortunately couldn’t afford it –and so he settled with Indiana State. He played soccer, made friends, assimilated, and met my mom. An upstate new Yorker with a long linage of American/French-Canadian blood. My grandfather served in the war, my grandmother was the personal nurse to Samuel Clemmons’s sister – you might know him by another name, Mark Twain. And sometime after graduation my grandparents finally told my father that his uncle was no longer with them.

You see, my grandparents, despite working very hard to provide for their children, only had enough money to send one of their kids to America for college. My uncle, being the middle child, was unable to follow my father immediately after him. So he did as every young person does, work and talk politics.

And so it goes, the small talk that turns to politics with a neighbor leads to him being taken from his home in the night, and not heard from until his name was discovered a few weeks later amongst the many who were executed for dissent. Those same neighbors were the ones who reported him, ironically going against the famous doctrine that tells us to love thy neighbor.

It broke my father when my grandparents explained that three months prior to graduation, my uncle was murdered by a new theocratic dictatorship. Religious extremists who, like so many dictators and fascist movements, purged any and everything that dared challenge or contradict their own legitimacy and power.

But my father has been, and will always be, a resilient man. After graduation, my parents went back to New York for some time, trying to get work in New York City, my father got denied a position in The World Trade Center which could have only been attributed to the current Iranian Hostage Crisis taking place –a blessing in disguise. Eventually, they moved West – all the way to California. My father became an aeronautical engineer with a small firm with lofty ambitions, to change the way flight recording was being handled. My father contributed to the safety of our nation’s air force by helping design some of the flight recorders in our fighter jets. I still have pictures of him sitting in cockpits, and many memories of us lying in a field identifying planes and jets that flew overhead and through the clouds. Years later, during the buyout by a huge national competitor, he was screwed out of partial ownership – and what would have set our family for life ended up being a pittance; one month’s additional salary.

He quit shortly thereafter and decided he would never again work for someone else, since the word of men don’t matter for much these days. It took my father 10 years to get the success he set out for, all the while we survived under my mother’s salary, but then he made his American dream come true – and by doing so brought financial stability to dozens of others.

As for his children, when his first son was born only one name was considered – my uncle’s.

I didn’t learn of my uncle until I left for college, ten years ago.

I don’t believe the universe is ever so careless, and that even the most coincidental things may serve some purpose. Often have I wondered if this story would ever matter contextually in a social setting, and now I understand.

We share a name, but we do not have to have the same ending. I will use this story to add my voice to the fight.

That our Constitution, which grants us Americans inalienable rights and liberties, is being threatened. The cornerstone of our country’s foundation, the very core that to this day has enabled me to live the life that he couldn’t, say the words that led to his demise, needs to not crumble to fear and hate, and the personal agenda of a small few who would rather profit than protect us.

Do not let America go so quietly into the night, we all came from somewhere. We were all woven into this fabric that we call ‘the land of the free, and the home of the brave.’

This isn’t his story, this isn’t mine.

This is our story.


I am working on writing a version of this that I would like see published in any, and every, way. This story in the current format is not for editorial use, but if you have a means or contact that might help get it into more hearts and read by more eyes, please send me a private message.

[–]koryisma 60 ポイント61 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I served as a Peace Corps volunteer in Morocco and stayed for a few more years working with a non-profit. Morocco is over 99% Muslim, and Islam is the state religion.

The people there welcomed me with open arms. In my town, I could not leave the house without people inviting me in for tea, bread with jam, dates, or a full meal. Sometimes people would literally drag me into their homes to show hospitality. Why? They saw I was a foreign woman and the way that they lived their faith was to be welcoming and hospitable. Their act of inviting me in, of feeding me, of showing me love, of truly accepting me as I was, for who I was? To them, it was literally an act of worship.

I have dozens of stories-- the time I lost my wristlet (with money, passport, phone, etc.) and when I called the phone, the taxi driver who found it drove it out to where I was, took me to where he found the wristlet, then offered to drive me anywhere I wanted. He asked for nothing in return.

Or the time that I stopped in a small village on a long-distance bus, and an old man grabbed my hand, intertwined his fingers with mine, and said "Morocco and the U.S. are like brothers. We are close. Like this. You are like our family."

The way I was adopted into certain families. The way that my neighbors who had so little resources that they didn't have a bathroom in their house still sent their daughter over with a pot of tea and stuffed bread when I came back from traveling... they knew I probably was tired and wanted to rest, but wanted to be sure I was taken care of without having to prep food and cook.

I moved to Rabat-- the capital-- after Peace Corps. While there, I met the man who is now my husband. A Muslim, Moroccan, wonderful man. He is the opposite of what many think a "Muslim man" must be like. We respect each other. He treats me like an equal partner in everything. We laugh together every day, and after five years of marriage, I am more and more in love with him.

He teaches me to be a better person. When we first got married, he showed me that settling disagreements with raised voices and hurtful words isn't how you treat a loved one. He helped me settle down with my temper. And even now, if he sees it starting to flare, he'll de-escalate me with a joke or by making light of the situation. He helps me remember what is important in life-- people, actions, simple things... not a good job, having a good image, or impressing others.

My heart is breaking. I am calling, I am writing, I am marching. But my heart is breaking. He came halfway across the world to be with me, and now, my country is such the opposite of the hospitality, love, acceptance, and welcome that I received in Morocco. It's a terrible juxtaposition, and I hope we can stand up, speak out, and make change.