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‘Woman’ has become a dirty word (opendemocracy.net)

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[–]flapyourwings 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Great post, thanks for sharing. The women's marches sure have ruffled the jimmies of many penis-havers.

[–]euglossia-watsonia -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (18子コメント)

No one is trying to erase "woman" as a category. Vagina doesn't equal woman and vice versa, its important to respect that.

[–]kitcatkittycat 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Except they are.

[–]generibus[S] 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (2子コメント)

No one is trying to erase "woman" as a category. Vagina doesn't equal woman and vice versa, its important to respect that.

How should we talk about the type of human being who belongs to the female sex?

[–]triangleavenue 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (11子コメント)

Please tell me what other factors should make up a woman? Please tell me what is more neutral than "human with female reproductive system"??

[–]euglossia-watsonia 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (10子コメント)

Trans women exist, and defining women by their genitals and/or reproductive system is exclusionary, so we don't do it anymore.

Individual women have vaginas, yes, but I feel the pain of trans women who are at risk and have to march alongside tone-deaf signs which exclude them from the "woman" category.

People can carry "pussy" signs and do whatever, but surely you understand how collectively those things can be very isolating for trans women, who are already vulnerable.

That's not to say that vaginas aren't at risk. They are! All people with vaginas (including trans men) are threatened by Trump's bullshit. But an activist movement has a responsibility not to exclude trans people, and claiming that all women=vagina does that, imo.

[–]kitcatkittycat 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Can you not understand that women with vaginas are at risk? Are we not allowed to discuss the issues that face us? Abortions being put at risk, sexual assault, rape, and other oppression that only women face? Why do you want to silence women?

[–]triangleavenue 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Trans women exist, and defining women by their genitals and/or reproductive system is exclusionary, so we don't do it anymore.

I didn't know 99% could be exclusionary (in any meaningful way)?

Individual women have vaginas, yes, but I feel the pain of trans women who are at risk and have to march alongside tone-deaf signs which exclude them from the "woman" category.

Only women have vaginas, I don't know about you, but I refuse to have my womanhood be defined by a male human. Woman is the term for adult human female. Female is of the sex that produces ova. These words are exclusionary by design. Otherwise they are meaningless and convey no information in language. That's what language is meant for. The processing of information.

You know what's more exclusionary? Denying women the right to voice their oppression. All for the sake of male humans who have no problem with carrying dick signs. To a women's march. About reproductive health. Which affects those vagina havers. Also known as....women. Wow. We've come full circle.

People can carry "pussy" signs and do whatever, but surely you understand how collectively those things can be very isolating for trans women, who are already vulnerable.

No, I don't. I understand male entitlement, and this is it. Because expecting 99% of biological females to include you in something that is all about female reproductive systems is entitlement.

[–]pleuvoir 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (7子コメント)

What is a woman then?

[–]euglossia-watsonia 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (6子コメント)

A woman is someone who identifies as a woman. Idk why terfs are so fucking obsessed with excluding trans women!!! Trans women are very vulnerable, and they're an important part of the community. We should be protecting them.

[–]kitcatkittycat 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't think 99% of women would identify as one if they knew it would encourage cat calls, assault, birth control denial etc. How does one 'identify' as a woman? Is it not just playing into stereotypes of what a woman is? Why can i not just go identify as a cat?

[–]pleuvoir 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (1子コメント)

That definition doesn't tell me anything. What is it transwomen are identifying as?

[–]kitcatkittycat 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

They're identifying into the female stereotypes. I once had a trans friend mention to me that they 'loved how women are expected to stay at home and cook and clean' and that's why they were a trans woman, so they could do that. I felt sick.

[–]thrwpllw 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

A woman is someone who identifies as a woman.

A quizblorg is someone who identifies as a quizblorg.

Based on this definition, do you know what a "quizblorg" is?

[–]bite_me_punk 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

So a woman is nothing more than a label devoid of any meaningful characteristics?

Under that definition, why do trans people need to identify as man or woman? Both titles are meaningless under your definition and at that point why do either exist?

[–]triangleavenue 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Trans women are not any more vulnerable than any other male (especially white trans women), natal females are vulnerable. Why should we focus our attention on protecting natal males?

Also if anyone can identify as a woman that completely nullifies a coherent definition. What are you identifying into? What is a woman if it doesn't exist?

[–]pleuvoir 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

No one is trying to erase "woman" as a category.

She says while doing exactly that.