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[–]Panda413 5719 ポイント5720 ポイント x5 (213子コメント)

“Our progress in degeneracy appears to me to be pretty rapid. As a nation, we began by declaring that 'all men are created equal.' We now practically read it, 'all men are created equal, except negroes.' When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read, 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty—to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”

― Abraham Lincoln, Speeches and Writings, 1832-1858

[–]Antigonid 1375 ポイント1376 ポイント  (55子コメント)

He wrote this privately to his friend Joshua Speed. Not necessarily important but I think it adds to the strength of this conviction that it wasn't for public positioning.

Edit:typo.

[–]SUSAN_IS_A_BITCH 264 ポイント265 ポイント  (41子コメント)

Interesting. I'd never heard of Speed, but reading about Lincoln and Speed reminds me of Hamilton and Laurens.

"Lincoln, though notoriously awkward and shy around women, was at the time engaged to Mary Todd, a vivacious, if temperamental, society girl, also from Kentucky. As the dates approached for both Speed's departure and Lincoln's own marriage, Lincoln broke the engagement on the planned day of the wedding (January 1, 1841). Speed departed as planned soon after, leaving Lincoln mired in depression and guilt. Seven months later, in July 1841, Lincoln, still depressed, decided to visit Speed in Kentucky. Speed welcomed Lincoln to his paternal house where the latter spent a month regaining his perspective and his health."

[–]IranianGenius 80 ポイント81 ポイント  (35子コメント)

[–]SUSAN_IS_A_BITCH 57 ポイント58 ポイント  (23子コメント)

a community for just now

I don't even... why?

[–]IranianGenius 64 ポイント65 ポイント  (19子コメント)

I figured if I was going to post the comment, I'd see if it was there. It wasn't.

So I created it, because speed, bro.

[–]SUSAN_IS_A_BITCH 102 ポイント103 ポイント  (10子コメント)

For all those famous political icons who had secret bros on the side.

Hamilton and Laurens, Lincoln and Speed, and Trump and Putin.

[–]deader115 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Holy shit. That Speed!

The name Speed is all over KY and surrounding states - schools and such with buildings named after the family. I'm assuming these are related.

[–]LuteceLife 403 ポイント404 ポイント  (59子コメント)

Wow. It just goes to show you that even back then, Americans felt strongly that Russia sucks, a lot.

[–]turimbar1 367 ポイント368 ポイント  (30子コメント)

Russia has sucked for as long as sucking has existed - it's why there are so many great poets and writers from Russia

[–]FR_STARMER 132 ポイント133 ポイント  (21子コメント)

Not that they've sucked, but they were the last European country to industrialize, so they are kind of the black sheep of the region. That coupled with the fact that they span two continents are thus are not tied to a particular civilization's culture.

[–]turimbar1 67 ポイント68 ポイント  (9子コメント)

I more meant that the systems of government have always been oppressive to the point that - for most people - life in Russia has sucked since time immemorial.

I recommend you read some Dostoyevsky to get an idea of pre-soviet life.

[–]LotusCobra 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (6子コメント)

indeed, russia has a time honored tradition of ruthless dictators/kings

[–]ChefBoyAreWeFucked 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Russia is the only country that, faced with tyranny and oppression, the people have risen up against their oppressors, seized control of their country, and installed their own tyrants, ad infinitum.

[–]HiflYguy 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You're right. A lot of their population were serfs for almost a thousand years. Plus no natural boundaries has lead to numerous invasions throughout history and civilians were ravaged each and every time. Epic History has a great docu series on the history of Russia.

[–]Reutermo 46 ポイント47 ポイント  (3子コメント)

No one have pointed out that Russia sucks more than the Russians.

[–]MoreDetonation 37 ポイント38 ポイント  (1子コメント)

"People say there are no comedians in Russia, but they're there! They're dead...but they're there."

[–]helios_xii 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Brother, this is a chest you don't wanna open. Russian comedy is "senseless and ruthless", or "бессмысленная и беспощадная", as we say.

[–]thejhaas 29 ポイント30 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Well they were just coming off the period with the whole Ivan thing... I guess everyone knew what was going on over there.

[–]JakalDX 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (8子コメント)

Russia was an autocracy at that point, so of course we weren't a fan

[–]IShillForSocialism 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Also a somewhat relevant fact - Abraham Lincoln and Karl Marx actually exchanged letters, and shared similar views on the exploitation of labour

Here's Marx's letter congratulating Lincoln on his re-election

[–]Bricklayer-gizmo 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Americans also felt Russia sucked when the were the first country to legalize abortion.

[–]Hipstershy 96 ポイント97 ポイント  (11子コメント)

Wow, I haven't heard this quote before. I had to look it up just to be safe. That was... pretty prescient.

[–]Panda413 200 ポイント201 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Lincoln was literally the first person to say, "If Trump gets elected, I'm moving!"

[–]nzthrowaway70 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

We are not in new or unique times. Populists have risen up time and time again to target a particular type of human for stealing jobs, controlling the economy, committing crime, or terrorism.

The populist sentiment works on an emotional level, and it's so fucking effective that it keeps happening no matter what. You don't need an ordered understanding of the world, or existing knowledge, to get on the populist bandwagon. You can just feel your way through issues. It's far easier to persuade a mass of people with emotional rhetoric than it is to persuade a mass of people with reasoned discourse that fully evaluates problems from start to finish. The anti-Trump crowd have to rely on people sharing a background philosophy about the importance and value of liberalism to agree with them, because some of their statements seem counterintuitive to "common sense". But populists don't need anything but an emotional commitment to fixing a perceived problem. You see it all the time in the populist contradictions (i.e. let's go hard and kill all of ISIS, even though doing this exact thing 20-30 years ago against al qaeda and the gulf wars is the entire cause of ISIS and all related groups).

[–]xerdopwerko 169 ポイント170 ポイント  (19子コメント)

How dare Lincoln be so intolerant and call people who don't think like him "know-nothings"? This disconnect between his elitism and the hard-working confederates is why the south won the war. /S

Just trying to sound like the angry Trump supporters on reddit nowadays.

[–]JehovahsHitlist 58 ポイント59 ポイント  (6子コメント)

I know you were being sarcastic but just in case people don't know, the Know-Nothings called themselves that.

[–]Thenadamgoes 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I like that it's relevant even without it's meaning.

[–]Bladelink 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Basically the exact same thing as now identifying yourself as an "anti-intellectual". Essentially "I'm an idiot and proud of it!"

[–]xerdopwerko 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Oh, the "Know Nothing" party! I read of them years ago. I forgot that.

Still seems to describe certain wings of anti-intellectual politicians nowadays.

[–]BadgerDancer 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'll add one from Britain to all you people stuck in legal limbo.

"When you are going through hell, keep going."

-Winston Churchill.

[–]T-72 48 ポイント49 ポイント  (5子コメント)

When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read, 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and muslims.'

LMAO old abe was also nostradamus

[–]merkin_salesman 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Know-Nothings

And this is how I will refer to the alt-right, T_D, and the sycophants of Trump.

Its funny to see top T_D posts constantly refer to "liberals" or "democrats". They seem to be unaware that most criticism of Trump is not about political ideology. Its about Trump really not knowing much of anything. The bulk of the criticism is about a man who was elected to office out of and in support of ignorance and lack of understanding.

The Trump Movement is anti-intellectual at best, but at worst is a movement that actively rewards memes over science, spin and lies over fact and the truth, and does so in the name of "freedom" and "making america great".

[–]Pennwisedom 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

"By the frame of the government under which we live, this same people have wisely given their public servants but little power for mischief; and have, with equal wisdom, provided for the return of that little to their own hands at very short intervals. While the people retain their virtue and vigilance, no administration, by any extreme of wickedness or folly, can very seriously injure the government in the short space of four years."

-Also Abraham Lincoln, first Inaugural Address, March 4th 1861.

[–]elfa82 1198 ポイント1199 ポイント  (34子コメント)

[–]IAmTheMasterVader 142 ポイント143 ポイント  (13子コメント)

I will never not upvote this gif.

[–]Roboticide 48 ポイント49 ポイント  (3子コメント)

After starting to watch Community for the first time ever this past month, I was so excited when I got to that scene, just because this .gif finally made sense.

[–]WhiteRussianChaser 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I for one think it's ironic since the admins vehemently protected the_Donald as they repeatedly and constantly violated Reddit's rules, which allowed them to use this site to recruit and spread their hateful propaganda, ultimately leading to Trump's election. /u/kn0thing and /u/spez are making exceptions to Reddit's rules to help the_Donald promote and encourage these hateful laws and even spread them to other countries like France and Germany.

[–]SteveAngelis 1295 ポイント1296 ポイント  (68子コメント)

My extended family fled from the Germans in the 30's. Most were turned away. A few lucky ones got into Canada, a few into Brazil and South America. The rest were sent back to Germany. All those sent back to Germany died.

Food for thought...

Edit: The only picture I have of some of them. We do not even know their names anymore: http://i.imgur.com/NtCB5QS.jpg

[–]Aidan_King 780 ポイント781 ポイント  (54子コメント)

That's what Trump is doing with thousands of Iraqi's who served as interpreters and advisors for the U.S. Armed Forces during the Iraq War. Emphasis here: THEY SERVED US. They shed blood and put their lives on the line on behalf of you, and me, and our families and neighbors.

These veterans and their families are being persecuted, targeted, and hunted down all because of the role they played in that war. And Donald Trump -- a man who dodged the draft five separate times -- has the gall to potentially send them to their deaths after they've already put their lives on the line for our country.

Words cannot truly capture just how disgusting and shameful and craven that is. It's un-American. Our Commander in Chief is betraying the very people he's sworn an oath to lead. It makes me sick.

EDIT: Just to clarify - I'm not morally opposed to draft dodgers in general (I actually think the draft can be valuable...maybe lawmakers would be less willing to thrust the young men and women of this country into bloody, reckless wars if their own sons and daughters stood a chance of being drafted).

What gets me is that these veterans experienced something that Trump never did. They put their lives on the line for the sake of America and its people. They were even assured that they'd be protected, since everyone knew Al-Qaeda and other militant groups would pursue these "traitors" to the depths of hell and back. Trump sending them back to Iraq -- with no short-term chance of return -- is a death sentence. People who sacrificed and fought for our country are being sentenced to death by a man who has never fought for our country.

That's the reason I bring up the draft dodging. He's a hypocrite. He's betraying VETERANS. This isn't a partisan issue! Don't betray Americans. Don't betray permanent residents. Don't betray veterans. It's not that difficult. You're the Commander in Chief. It's your fucking job to lead these men. To keep them safe. Throwing them to the sharks is not a part of that oath you swore 10 days ago, Mr. President.

[–]preme1017 59 ポイント60 ポイント  (3子コメント)

It really is sick. These people put their lives on the line for years in order to PROTECT Americans, and now they're being turned away because of where they were born? These people have been lied to. Not only does this go against everything America claims to stand for, it's just straight up immoral.

[–]Aidan_King 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (1子コメント)

They were promised safety! That was the exchange. Trump is betraying a decade-old promise just to further his own fucked up agenda. It's madness.

[–]Shadow_XG 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Did you know Anne Frank was denied refugee immigration to the u.s.?

[–]ThucydidesWasAwesome 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Many Jews used Cuba as a trampoline to get to the US. Until the St Louis arrived in Havana to find that Cuba had forbidden more Jewish arrivals because of US pressure to stop serving as a point of transit to America.

After several days stuck waiting in the bay (without being able to even come ashore), the refugees were told they had to return to Europe.

Some made it to England from the mainland, but most were caught and killed by the Nazis.

[–]samsheffer 726 ポイント727 ポイント  (32子コメント)

Thanks for posting this Alexis.

[–]mannyrmz123 254 ポイント255 ポイント  (11子コメント)

I know /u/kn0thing has had his ups and downs, but certainly this is a good message. It says a lot about reddit going forward on 2017. Certainly the site has had its issues, ESPECIALLY the last couple of years, but I guess this is a nice, mature, reassuring statement.

[–]FillsYourNiche 208 ポイント209 ポイント  (15子コメント)

Very well written and really speaks to the heart of the matter. This executive order is intensely unAmerican.

"One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back."

  • Carl Sagan

[–]belisaurius 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (2子コメント)

To echo this, FDR had this to say in 1928:

I venture the challenging statement that if American democracy ceases to move forward as a living force, seeking day and night by peaceful means to better the lot of our citizens, then Fascism and Communism, aided, unconsciously perhaps, by old-line Tory Republicanism, will grow in strength in our land.

It will take cool judgment for our people to appraise the repercussions of change in other lands. And only a nation completely convinced—at the bottom as well as at the top—that their system of government best serves their best interests, will have such a cool judgment.

And while we are developing that coolness of judgment, we need in public office, above all things, men wise enough to avoid passing incidents where passion and force try to substitute themselves for judgment and negotiation.

[–]hoodoo-operator 197 ポイント198 ポイント  (21子コメント)

People complaining that reddit is becoming too political seem to forget that the admins blacked out the entire site in protest of a specific bill bring cured on in Congress. Making a post in opposition of a president's executive order is small potatoes compared to their political actions in the past.

[–]mannyrmz123 1975 ポイント1976 ポイント  (1216子コメント)

Alexis, although your words are kind, I believe the best way YOU can help reddit cope with this kind of issues is to improve the modding staff/etiquette/regulation in the site.

Places like /r/worldnews, /r/news, /r/the_donald and other subreddits have grown into cesspools of terrible comments and lots of hatred.

PLEASE do something to improve this.

[–]mlsweeney 357 ポイント358 ポイント  (71子コメント)

Maybe just /r/worldnews and /r/news. I thought the whole point of specific subreddits was freedom to say what you want to say. I don't even go on /r/the_donald but I felt like they have the right to say whatever bullshit they want to post on there.

[–]Why_the_hate_ 235 ポイント236 ポイント  (4子コメント)

But that's the point. World news SHOULD include things you don't agree with. And regularly I do see people getting banned because the mod doesn't agree with them.

[–]KigurumiCatBoomer 27 ポイント28 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Got banned from UpliftingNews for suggesting that AirBnB's decision to house displaced immigrants may have been for PR.

Of course, the dozen replies personally attacking various aspects of my identity were just completely ignored by moderators, and upvoted fairly well.

If I knew you weren't allowed to post dissenting opinions I wouldn't have bothered commenting in the first place.

[–]Schrodingerscatamite 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

UpliftingNews sounds like the kind of person who twirls in circles, fingers in ears, humming a showtune while an articulated truck bears down on them. In other words, not the sort you should be hanging with in the tough times

[–]spadeNotSpade 63 ポイント64 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yep. You have filter lists now, and it's pretty easy to find your own echo chambers. Begging for censorship is wrong imo.

[–]Suffca 97 ポイント98 ポイント  (8子コメント)

Yeah, how in the hell is a subreddit like /r/worldnews compared to /r/the_donald?

One is obviously going to be completely biased towards a certain matter.

[–]AlpacaCentral 68 ポイント69 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Exactly, there is nothing wrong with the_donald, since it does not pretend to be something it is not. Worldnews and Politics both pretend to be unbiased, when in reality they are the epitome of censorship.

[–]Zythyx1 50 ポイント51 ポイント  (3子コメント)

I'm seeing more and more different subreddits that are getting exposure on /r/all that are locking comments due to rule breaking or general nastiness.

I came to reddit in 2010 and was a happy Redditor; Reddit today is embarrassing.

[–]iwasducky 1097 ポイント1098 ポイント  (432子コメント)

See also: /r/uncensorednews, /r/altright, /r/whitebeauty, /r/conspiracy, /r/theredpill...

They are the petri dish for the bacteria that is the alt-right. Please, please reconsider the way you want this website to go.

[–]PleaseGiveGold 76 ポイント77 ポイント  (3子コメント)

/r/whitebeauty

Fascist beauty standards reign supreme! This is a SFW subreddit, so please no nudes. No Jews, either.

wow. OK then.

[–]bilabrin 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

A petri dish is a self-contained environment. Think about what happens when you break the petri dish.

[–]palish 157 ポイント158 ポイント  (29子コメント)

Why is it that every time this topic comes up, people call for censorship? The word "censorship" has been thrown around so much that it's almost lost all meaning, but what you're calling for is censorship in the classic sense: "A view I disagree with should be purged."

It's annoying that I can't defend those places without casting doubts on my own character. Look through my comment history; you'll see I don't go to any of them. I'm neutral here. But I can't stay quiet. The fact that your comment has 104 points in 15 minutes is, frankly, scary. Your behavior is a part of a general trend of "Suppress what we hate." Don't bother reasoning with anyone or trying to talk to them. Hate, hate, hate!

It's tiresome and it doesn't work. History has mountains of evidence showing that it doesn't work. Reddit itself has a lot of evidence showing it doesn't work. (Remember when ejkp tried it?)

Stop trying to shame everybody you don't like off of Reddit.

[–]fzw 93 ポイント94 ポイント  (5子コメント)

From the alt right subreddit's sidebar:

In case we get banned from reddit for their Orwellian speech policy, our contingency plan is over at Voat. Check out /v/identitarian.

Oh no, those poor persecuted Nazis.

[–]hmunkey 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (0子コメント)

First they came for the Nazis and I didn't speak out. It was ok though because everything ended up being much better.

[–]Galle_ 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Orwellian speech policy

The rare meta-Orwell.

[–]n3moe_the_fish 295 ポイント296 ポイント  (62子コメント)

Yup, these are full of racist asshats. That apparently reddit is ok with. For god sakes one user is an avid denier of the holocaust.

[–]IranianGenius 365 ポイント366 ポイント  (8子コメント)

one user

believe me it's more than that. The /r/history modqueue was full of them daily when I modded there.

[–]TAKEitTOrCIRCLEJERK 62 ポイント63 ポイント  (6子コメント)

The last two months have really gotten the kooks to climb out of the woodwork. I've never seen a modqueue so full of unapologetic racists on such a consistent basis.

[–]_demetri_ 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Can't help but feel like sides are getting more and more extreme.

[–]Piglet86 124 ポイント125 ポイント  (13子コメント)

/r/altright is a blatantly racist sub that preaches hate. They call for the extermination of jews and other usual neo-nazi shit.

How are they still allowed to be here when /r/coontown was shut down? FFS former coontown mods started that sub in the first place. (Funnily enough, some the_donald mods have ties to these same mods.)

/u/kn0thing I'd love to see you reply to this.

[–]TorePun 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Oh /u/kn0thing knows

But since it isn't mentioned in every comment thread like r/coontown used to be they literally don't give a shit

Make no mistake, reddit is all about image and not actually doing what's right

Once the heat turns up in the media about /r/altright then maybe they'll do something, but for now they're happy to sit on it indefinitely as long as nobody makes a stir about it

[–]dugongAKAmanatee 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (10子コメント)

Therein lies the rub. Does reddit continue to allow free speech at the cost of being host to such ideas, or does it create what might be draconian rules to limit that free speech?

[–]ThrowThrow117 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

To add to this, they branch out to every other sub to spread the bullshit.

the /r/LosAngeles sub gets idiotic t_d swine coming in just because it's LA. If they stayed to their own cess pools, I don't think most people would mind.

[–]dropshield 145 ポイント146 ポイント  (203子コメント)

Genuine Question:

While I would love to dispel hatred with the flip of of a switch, what do you think should be done to maintain that fine balance between moderation and censorship?

[–]thecodingdude 35 ポイント36 ポイント  (6子コメント)

It's not technically possible. Say every hateful comment was removed, it's super easy to sign up with a brand new account. Unless you start putting automod rules to filter new accounts (even that's easy to game).

The admins don't usually get involved with the operations of a sub and I see nobody offering an actual workable solution because it doesn't exist.

Also, freedom of speech is a thing, whether you agree/disagree it's a fundamental right everyone should be entitled to. Reddit dislikes censorship and unless you want to go down that route you have to put up with the trolls.

[–]flynnski 272 ポイント273 ポイント  (156子コメント)

Censorship is a thing governments do, with the force of law. "We decline to have you in our forum" is a thing companies can do.

[–]thardoc 169 ポイント170 ポイント  (109子コメント)

I prefer a Reddit where everyone is free to reasonably speak their mind, regardless about how I feel about what they choose to say.

[–]AvoidingIowa 51 ポイント52 ポイント  (13子コメント)

What do you consider reasonable?

[–]awayd 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Anything that doesn't have a "call to action" to commit a crime.

[–]BlopBleepBloop 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Where people can reason their thoughts. Not the bastardized form of reasonable as in "I can somewhat agree with what you say".

[–]zarkovis 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah we tried that before, and what we got was people posting pictures of 13 year old girls without their knowledge and utterly filthy and pedophiliac comments, outright hate and suggestions of violence against several ethnicities, and oh yeah a subreddit entirely dedicated to attractive corpses of women and necrophilia.

Didn't work out so well. Everyone free to say whatever sounds good in theory, but then reality smashes through a wall like the kool aid man and dropkicks you in the face.

[–]Protuhj 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Read some comments in those "controversial" subreddits, and tell me they're "reasonable".

[–]Pengwertle 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (4子コメント)

"Black people aren't as good as white people" is not a reasonable opinion, and any way of expressing that opinion is inherently unreasonable and should not be accepted anywhere.

[–]csreid 55 ポイント56 ポイント  (7子コメント)

No. Neo Nazis don't get to hide behind free speech anymore.

They shouldn't be arrested but that's the strongest sanctuary they deserve.

Reddit is being used as a recruitment tool for neo-nazis. They should absolutely not be okay with that and do everything possible to stop that.

[–]delta_baryon 71 ポイント72 ポイント  (21子コメント)

Nobody is free to speak their mind in a space where a substantial percentage of people think they're sub-human and want them silenced.

How about for once we think about all the people that the far right has tried to shout down?

[–]floridadude123 40 ポイント41 ポイント  (10子コメント)

That's not true, censorship is just what it is. What you are saying is that Reddit should set content policies that prohibit such content and then if it still is posted, they should remove it. That is literally censorship. There is never and has never been a requirement that censorship is applied with force of law (although it often is). If you've ever refrained some saying something or writing something because of fear of repercussions, you were also censored.

[–]LokisDawn 34 ポイント35 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Censorship is censorship no matter who does it. Noone is saying Reddit isn't allowed to censor what's on here, but it matters to the community that they can openly discus issues.

[–]reddit_is_gayest 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (0子コメント)

No it is not. Government censorship is a government thing. Anyone can censor. And almost all censorship is not government involvement. There's even "self censorship".

[–]friendsafariguy11 55 ポイント56 ポイント  (8子コメント)

Trolls are posting inflammatory content hoping to illicit an angry response so that the responder gets banned. Blatant troll posts looking for fights should be a reportable offense.

[–]mrT9 44 ポイント45 ポイント  (2子コメント)

The same kind of bs was on those subs during election time, and I'm saying this as a non american.

Why would they do anything about it now, that seems rather subjective wouldn't you agree

[–]asdtyyhfh 237 ポイント238 ポイント  (28子コメント)

Every day I post an instance where /r/the_donald harassed or threatened violence against transgender individuals. This is going to continue for weeks because there is so much transgender hatred on that subreddit.

/r/the_donald is one of the largest transgender hate forums on the internet. /r/the_donald should be really named /r/transgender_people_hate because so much of their content is just transgender hate and it doesn't have anything to do with Trump.

They've gotten away with this everyday for months while being the most visible subreddit on the site. It's pretty disgusting how this site harbors one of the largest transgender hate forums on the internet. The harassment and especially the threats of violence should be breaking site rules.

[–]DiceRightYoYo 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (3子コメント)

I actually went through that and didn't see the blatant hate I thought I would. People making sarcastic and assholeish remarks, but nothing like the hatred I really expected. And actually, it kills me to say, I found a post on there that seemed reasonable, something I thought I'd never say about the_dipshit:

Everything is a mental disorder. We are victims of chemical reactions that occur in our brains. We have to decide when a persons mind should be treated. And I think that comes down to when another persons mental state affects others. Schizophrenia can lead to violent outbursts, depression can lead to a persons disregard for others, things like that should be treated. Someone thinking they are a girl when they have a penis, that doesn't really affect anybody. Just because somebody's life choices may disgust you, or may be the symptoms of a mental disorder, doesn't mean we should change those people to make them conform to our ideals.

[–]novacham 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Racist, hateful posts get reported and removed pretty quick on r/the_donald. It isn't politically correct however.

[–]Fnhatic 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't participate in t_d but even I have to point out that your moral outrage is pretty god damn weak in these examples. And trying to internet comments making fun of a person into some sort of evidence of a crusade against transgender people is laughably dishonest.

Do you think /r/blackpeopletwitter (or with underscores, I don't know) is proof of people harassing and threatening violence against people of color? And it's one of the largest racist hate forums on the internet? Because they do a lot of making fun of black people in there and yet it has wide mainstream acceptance.

[–]BeamUsUpMrScott 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Maybe don't go there? You can block subs now.

(p.s. you forgot to mention the myriad of communist subs that advocate voliolence and "bash the fash" all day)

[–]tebriel 204 ポイント205 ポイント  (72子コメント)

Exactly. Reddit has helped normalize the racism and bigotry shown in t_d and other subreddits, making people think it's okay to be phenomenal assholes and that every opinion and viewpoint is valid. They're not. Some people and their beliefs are just shitty, and shouldn't see the light of day.

[–]Lantro 62 ポイント63 ポイント  (73子コメント)

Honest question: what the hell happened to /r/news and /r/worldnews? It's like they got taken over by storm front.

[–]ninjasenses 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

dude you think this is a reddit issue? This happens in just about every conversation about politics I've seen online recently. Molding changes won't help and aren't the problem

[–]Goldmessiah 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

My mother is an undocumented immigrant from Canada who has been here for almost 70 years. Whenever someone talks to me about how children of "illegals" should be deported, I love to follow up with "So you want me deported? My mother is 'illegal', you know".

Aside from one, every single person has said "Well I didn't mean YOU."

That other one basically told me to fuck off and die though. Glad I don't ever have to put up with them anymore.

My father's side of the family is directly descended from Robert E Lee. That really confuses the fuck out of these people.

[–]griffinmichl[A] 369 ポイント370 ポイント  (74子コメント)

Thanks for sharing, Alexis.

My great grandfather was also a refugee from the Armenian genocide. He and his family found their way to America through Iran.

I'm proud to work for a company that will stand up for what is right.

[–]NeedleBallista 47 ポイント48 ポイント  (2子コメント)

My father was a Syrian immigrant. My cousin is currently in this country with asylum. His father was tortured to death.

He's very smart. He has a full ride (and a near 4.0) at his college, in his third year of his Chemical Engineering major.

He went on a co-op last year in Germany. This year he won't be able to go again.

He visited his family. His mother and younger sister have resigned to not seeing him for at least 4 more years.

This sucks. Thank you guys for taking a stand.

[–]Reutermo 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

This is just beyond absurd. America is making more radicals Islamist by the minute.

I seriously hope that it will work out for your cousin.

[–]NeedleBallista 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Here's his story if you want to read about it.

This is my dad.

[–]thane311 74 ポイント75 ポイント  (10子コメント)

Could you try actually being a company that will stand up for what is right? These are nice sentiments, but Reddit is a breeding ground for the alt-right, white supremacists, neo-nazis, etc. What is your plan as a company to put your money where your mouth is and do something about those communities?

Edit: typos!

[–]allthefoxes 64 ポイント65 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Mnh, I don't know if standing up for what is right is the best way to describe what reddit is doing right now, lol

[–]koleye 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (2子コメント)

My family also fled the Armenian genocide, wound up in Iran, and eventually resettled in America.

You banned /r/fatpeoplehate and /r/coontown. Your website is littered with neo-Nazi and other disgustingly hateful subreddits that remain untouched. You are letting your website be bastardized by hatemongers. A tolerant society cannot accept this intolerance.

[–]atDevin 157 ポイント158 ポイント  (8子コメント)

My grandfather was a holocaust survivor. I shudder to think what would have happened to him had he not been able to safely take refuge in America. It's disgusting and deplorable that we turn people away based on their religion and circumstance, out of misguided fear that they will bring harm to our people. Cheers to America for being on the wrong side of history.

[–]formenleere 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Well written. This is a time where solidarity and good will towards each other are most needed.

I would like it even more if you didn't imply that reddit is just American, though. That always feels a bit odd, people underestimating how international this community is. Diversity makes reddit strong, and acknowledging that is more necessary now than ever. Trump isn't just America's problem, and reddit isn't just an American platform.

[–]lnsetick 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

T_D continues to take "free speech" hostage while banning all dissenters and throwing a tantrum about censorship whenever it comes into question. how long will reddit continue preaching about universal human rights while harboring hate groups that are completely antithetical to those values? please, tell me how much good your ideology has done in protecting Islamophobes who cheer the Muslim ban.

[–]khaleesi[A] 49 ポイント50 ポイント  (3子コメント)

I was born in Pakistan, and my parents immigrated to the US a few years after that. They left because of the militarization of the country at the time & corrupt government policies.

All of my family, extended and immediate, are first-gen immigrants from Pakistan. Most of them are lawyers, doctors, academics, creators, artists – and leaders in their fields.

I’m proud to be American, Pakistani, an immigrant, and a redditor.

Thanks for this, u/kn0thing.

[–]MadDogWest 226 ポイント227 ポイント  (183子コメント)

not only potentially unconstitutional

Is it though? Honest question. It may be illegal, but I'm not sure it actually violates anything in the constitution.

[–]-TheToad- 108 ポイント109 ポイント  (37子コメント)

The EO was certainly as restricting as it could be without out right being illegal.

I don't believe you can give Christians (or any religion) priority over Muslims on immigration via the Constitution. Also, the Green Card issue, which was back peddled was likely not legal.

There are already suits challenging this EO, but likely we need to see what happens when it expires at the end of its 120 days. We cannot let them bully their way into changing laws without congressional approval.

[–]MadDogWest 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (5子コメント)

I don't believe you can give Christians (or any religion) priority over Muslims on immigration via the Constitution.

The only part of the EO that refers to religion is the part that refers to minority religions as those being at risk for persecution. I'm not a huge fan of that part as requiring them to be minority.

[–]thephotoman 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (12子コメント)

You can't prioritize anybody on the grounds of even being a member of a persecuted religious minority without running afoul of the Establishment Clause.

[–]Augustus_Caesar1 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (9子コメント)

Except that has no bearing on this. Refugees hold a special status. It also doesn't establish or prevent any worship of any religion.

I get a lot of people want things to be a certain way, but we have to work with how things are.

[–]PWL73316 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (3子コメント)

No one here is qualified to pronounce whether it is or isn't for a certain fact. However, the Federal courts that issued stays of parts of the order all agreed it would likely be found unconstitutional - which is why they issued stays.

[–]MadDogWest 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

all agreed it would likely be found unconstitutional

Unconstitutional or just in violation of the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965? Semantics, but that's basically what I'm getting at here.

[–]PWL73316 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

From the first reporting ruling in the Eastern District of New York:

  1. The petitioners have a strong likelihood of success in establishing that the removal of the petitioner and others similarly situated violates their rights to Due Process and Equal Protection guaranteed by the United States Constitution;

[–]Lugonn 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate.

Trump can ban whatever immigration he wants for however long he wants to, it's literally his job. Tomorrow he could decide that every alien named Steve should be barred from entering the US.

[–]mksurfin7 119 ポイント120 ポイント  (62子コメント)

It likely violates the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment

[–]Murican_Freedom1776 46 ポイント47 ポイント  (17子コメント)

It likely violates the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment

The constitution only applies to US Citizens. People who are immigrating here, applying for refugee status, etc, aren't US Citizens yet.

[–]ariethen 26 ポイント27 ポイント  (6子コメント)

14th Amendment applies to citizens of the USA, a definition that wholely exempts people whos claim to citizenship is being physically present and living in the USA with permission. As such, the portion of Trump's Executive Action regarding green card holders and permanent residents might be considered a violation of the 14th, but given that the green card as a privilege is given and not inherent in ones birth, it means it is retractable at any time by the executive branch that granted it.

TL:DR The state gives green cards. They can take them away at any time for any reason. They can't however, revoke your citizenship once you have it. Thats why theres a discrepency between whether this is a 14th amendment violation or not.

[–]MadDogWest 47 ポイント48 ポイント  (29子コメント)

nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;

None of these things are being denied.

nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

This is the part where it could be considered unconstitutional, if the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965 is thought to be violated. Then again, if they're being stopped at international airports, are they even within US jurisdiction? I don't know.

[–]Trair 27 ポイント28 ポイント  (25子コメント)

I'd say liberty is being deprived.

[–]MadDogWest 35 ポイント36 ポイント  (3子コメント)

I'd say liberty is being deprived.

By that logic, any law restricting entry into the US of any person should be unconstitutional.

[–]rhynodegreat 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (1子コメント)

without due process of law

A blanket ban could be seen as lacking due process. The system we had before, where people could get through was due process.

[–]ItsLightMan 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (19子コメント)

It is not. They are not guarenteed the right to enter our nation.

[–]Trair 27 ポイント28 ポイント  (17子コメント)

Sorry, I was specifically thinking of the cases of people with visas being denied entry.

[–]Miscaffinities 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well he did say 'potentially'.

[–]alexander-box 109 ポイント110 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Thank you for taking the time to share your story. This nation is founded on stories like yours. My family came over in the early 1600's. My wife's family in the 18/1900's. My neighbors are the first generation here.

This is an incredible country that has produced incredible ideas on how the world could be shaped. Our mix of cultures includes food, music, philosophies, and even faiths.

I am thankful for this country, and I am thankful for our immigrants.

Thanks for sharing Alexis.

[–]TheMexicanAvatar 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (2子コメント)

incredibly sensationalistic, while the left continues to stamp its world view as an infallible doctrine, it continues to lose across the globe.

[–]-thersites- 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (1子コメント)

As a descendant of the pilgrims and the puritans including some who came on the Mayflower I am aware that they were refugees too, who came to escape imprisonment or even execution for their religious beliefs. The foundations of our nation are built on refugees.

[–]IAimToMisbehave29 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

One thing that isn't being discussed enough is just the optics of this whole situation. I don't care what your arguments are for or against the recent actions by the new administration, but we should not underestimate how bad this looks to the rest of the world.

What happens to the United States when we lose perceived standing and respect from the other 7 billion-ish people in the world? Many on the right don't want to live in a globalist society, but too bad, we already do and this is going to wound us beyond repair.

[–]RudeTurnip 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

All the young men in my uncle's village in the Ukraine were taken by the Germans during the second World War and forced to work in a salt mine in Poland. He made it out somehow near the end of the war, although he never talked about the chunk of flesh in his leg taken out by a grenade.

I'll have to ask my mother about this next part, but he ended up marrying my aunt, who was a farm girl in what was Yugoslavia at the time (now Serbia). No one ever wanted to explain the logistics to me, but I always got the impression their marriage was arranged somehow. They moved to Canada in the early 1950s for a bit, and then to the US, working factory jobs as immigrants did, when Trenton, New Jersey was still a manufacturing powerhouse.

Although he wasn't Jewish, he still faced Antisemitism (making it hard to find work) because his last name was Jewish sounding. It's not like racists are rational people, you know. A friend suggested he change the "cz" at the end of his surname to the equivalent English "ch", and that apparently opened doors for him. By the way, he helped to found a Ukrainian Orthodox church in Trenton, which is neat, too! The immigrant communities in Trenton were very tight knit, with every ethnicity having their own enclave of sorts. I've got some old photos that show people jammed up into living rooms and dining rooms smiling for the camera, surrounded by food and drinks.

My uncle's job, that he eventually retired from, was with the Roller Bearing Company, now RBC Bearings Incorporated (NasdaqGS:ROLL). He made roller bearings for jets that were used in Vietnam. The company received a reward from the POTUS, but they never acknowledged his expertise and contributions. So RBC Bearings, if you would like to honor my uncle posthumously, feel free.

After they were established, my mother came over in the mid-1960s at the age of 18 (she was the youngest of 5 children). My parents met when my aunt and uncle moved out of Trenton into the suburbs.

My life is very non-ethnic, which I think was by design so my brother and I could integrate with the larger community of American mutts. Them pierogies tho.

[–]Fly015 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

My paternal Italian great-Grandfather, Antonio Del Mastro lived in Southern Italy until the rise of Benito Mussolini. His (paternal) family can trace members back to the Roman Empire and have held such roles as Swiss Guards. He and his family were citizens of Italy and loved democracy. They were part of the Italian People's Party (IPP). He was driven from his home in the middle of the night after being warned that the Mussolini had ordered his and his familys' arrests. He was 28 years old at the time and he was split up from some of his siblings. Antonio came through Ellis Island (on the Conte Biancamano) with the possessions he could carry with him. The only English he knew was the word "cup". After coming to America, he moved to Hartford, CT. He learned English but never stopped speaking Italian at home or with friends. He found work as a ditch digger for the Hartford Gas Company. He would work 6 days a week and then for free after mass on Sunday so that he could work again on Monday (family story). From there he started a family, had two children who are both college educated and started businesses in CT. He was old enough during WWII to serve the United States of America and did so. His children grew up in CT and became college educated citizens. Many members of his branch and extended branches have also served the US with distinction during the 20th Century. His grandchildren are all college educated, middle class and proud Americans. He has several great-grand children all currently being educateded and have the freedoms of all Americans. I am a child of a refugee.

[–]DadsOfAmerica 90 ポイント91 ポイント  (26子コメント)

"A house divided against itself cannot stand"
-Abraham Lincoln

[–]h8speech 42 ポイント43 ポイント  (11子コメント)

America didn't suddenly become divided in the last twelve months, though. This has been coming for a while.

[–]FiveFourThreeNoseOne 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Lincoln pilfered that quote. The original was "A George divided against itself cannot stand" by George Costanza.

[–]ZeldenGM 74 ポイント75 ポイント  (3子コメント)

I hope everyone has a wonderful day.

Posting this here so there's at least one positive comment in this thread.

[–]mannyrmz123 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I have read the first comments (50 so far) and I am amazed at the maturity of most of them.

I guess no matter if you're red or blue, foreigner or American, humanity has grown consciousness of the atrocites that have happened in the past and the current political setting is building up for something ugly.

I guess people now know that.

[–]santaunavailable 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

My cousin secured a Visa right before the Syrian war broke out -- he was supposed to visit us in the summer of my seventh grade.

Then his father was tortured to death by the Syrian government.

We managed to bring our cousin over with his visa, but he had to leave the rest of his family behind.

We're glad we got him the visa.

[–]LittleOkie 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (3子コメント)

This is only a temporary, 90 day ban on these nations right? Or am I missing something?

[–]redtaboo[A] 89 ポイント90 ポイント  (12子コメント)

Thank you for sharing your story Alexis, my grandfather immigrated to the United States from Hungary in 1934, my grandmother and uncle followed a year later in 1935. Three years later my father was born in the United States of America. If they had waited just a few years to immigrate they may have been turned away as refugees.

It's heartbreaking for me to think about what might have been and my extended family who didn't make it, and now to watch my country making the same mistakes again.

[–]muwab 26 ポイント27 ポイント  (5子コメント)

and now to watch my country making the same mistakes again.

You're here. You don't have to just 'watch.' Do something.

[–]AnalogDan 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I've shared this story before, but apparently one of my ancestors came to the colonies with the British army to fight against the Americans in the Revolutionary War.

He deserted the British army and started a life here.

I come from a family of proud traitors; I pray I don't have to follow in my ancestor's footsteps.

[–]rdinsb 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

My family migrated from Chile in the year 1973 when I was but a year old, before September 11, 1973 when an American backed coup removed the democratically elected President of Chile. We stayed in America and eventually nationalized. Many of my families friends disappeared. It was a bad time in Chile if you supported the wrong side.

I pray nothing like that can happen here.

[–]nsjersey 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

My paternal great grandfather lied about his age to avoid being drafted into the Czar's army. He was Lithuanian and didn't want to fight for Russians. Made it to the USA in 1890.

My maternal grandparents came to Ellis Island from Italy in the 1920s. My grandmother struggled with English, but learned it after a family tragedy where she couldn't understand the hospital operator telling her that her brother-in-law had been struck by a car and was being given last rights by her priest. I could barely understand her as a kid, but she made some amazing handmade tortellini from scratch

[–]karstovac 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

My grandmother and grandfather were refugees from the Armenian genocide. It took them 17 years to get into America legally. I don't blame anyone who cannot wait that long to get away from a horrible situation.

The United States of America is founded on freedom. Those who are oppressed and seek relief, we welcome you with open arms. I do not blame those who cannot wait nearly 2 decades to escape hell. If we close our borders, the terrorists have won.

We used to be the place that others seeking their own future would look up to.

[–]Mrs_MeowPuffs 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

My family consists of African Americans, Mexicans, Jewish, Filipinos, Puerto Rican and Cuban. My sisters are of Blackfoot descent, Mexican and German. I have a Salvadoran brother and a Samoan brother. My Samoan brothers dad was Muslim all his life.

Half my aunts are homosexuals, the rest would be considered bastards, whores or whatnot. I have an "uncle" we call "auntie gene gene", who's not related to me at all.

This hurts seeing America directly affect my family. We have doctors, lawyers and chefs. We also have homeless, mentally ill, and a welfare queen in my family.

I love school and science and the ability to have so much freedom. And if it takes a few sacrifices to make this country better, why not?

I really owe it to my fellow Americans, I would be in a dumpster if it wasn't for others not being selfish. I want to pay back to the government for taking care of me and my family when my mom was drug binging.

Thank you for those who care, this directly affects me and many friends. As an American and part of this country, I just want to better us as a whole.

[–]Rock_Hound 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

My mother was left for adoption by her Irish immigrant parents when they immigrated to the United States. My adoptive grandmother's parents fled their home in the middle of the night to escape Holodomor and settled in upstate New York. My fathers family immigrated from Germany to the United States. We are a nation of immigrants and we are proud to be Americans.

"We are building up a new world

Do not sit idly by

Do not remain neutral

Do not rely on this broadcast, alone

We are only as strong as our signal

There is a war going on for your mind

If you are thinking, you are winning

Resistance is victory

Defeat is impossible

Your weapons are already in hand

Reach within you and find the means by which to gain your freedom

Fight with tools

Your fate, and that of everyone you know

Depends on it"

[–]IHaveCancerAndAutism 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

My parents immigrated from Mexico to the US during Clinton's presidency. Today, they are both US citizens and have four kids. My sister is majoring in civil engineering at CSUF. My brother is serving his country, stationed at Fort Hood, Texas. I am an eager senior in high school who has started getting university acceptance letters in the mail. I want to do IO Psychology. My younger brother is doing his thing in middle school. I am proud to be an American. I am grateful that my parents risked it all and created our family here in the good ol' US of A.

[–]theredinthesky 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (4子コメント)

"It is immigrants who brought this land the skills of their hands and brains, to make of it a beacon of opportunity and hope for all men,"

~ Herbert H. Lehman

[–]-eDgAR- 45 ポイント46 ポイント  (8子コメント)

My roommate's girlfriend is a flight attendant and yesterday she was handed this card by one of her passengers. It's so sad that she feels the need to do this anytime she flies now because of the way the country is right now.

[–]snorlz 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Usually I'm pretty skeptical of anything /u/kn0thing posts but I cant find anything but good in this post.

[–]Idontknowmuch 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Syria and Iran are two of the places where Armenians have lived and have found protection in the past. No Armenian born in these two countries can visit the US now. Just wanted to throw this out there for many who are unaware about some consequences of blanket banning without looking at the circumstances of each individual.

[–]Furfaidz 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thank you Alexis.

I have quite a 'MURICA story.

My dad is a blue eyed man from Kentucky, who due to the death of his abusive step father had to lie about his age and join the Army in WW2 so my grandmother can feed the rest of the children. You know, because no social programs.

His objective in the Army: kill Hitler.

Any, blah blah blah war stories, Korea, Vietnam, etc.

Any way he left the military in 69 because he didn't agree with the war. The most I got from him of his time in Vietnam is that innocent people are killed but "I didn't kill anyone. I didn't kill anyone."

Fast forward to late 80's, he meets my mom a Muslim woman from a country from Asia Minor (won't say which so I'm not stalked). He's retired but is giving speeches for troops during Desert Storm.

Ta-da! I'm born. We go back to the US when I'm 4 1/2 years old (my Dad wanted me to know 2 languages, so we stayed until right before I was to start kindergarten).

I have been an American since. I'm an atheist if that matters, but yeah, a lot of 2nd or 3rd generation "Muslims" are unrecognizable as Muslims/ Middle Eastern because eventually we are Americans.

Heck, I'm in madly in love with my boyfriend who is half Jewish and my mom who was a conservative Muslim 20 or so years ago is a bleeding heart pro-LGBTQ liberal who says that her first country is America.

Hell, you can bump into me on the street and you'd NEVER know I come from a Muslim country. That's because my home is here, the United States of America.

[–]degoba 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (1子コメント)

My great grandmother and great grandfather left France after world war 1. They witnessed the horrors of war 1st hand. German soldiers garrisoned in their house. All of my grandmothers brothers and sisters were born in France. My grandma was born here shortly after the family arrived.

Yes. We are a country of immigrants. Fuck president Trump.

[–]DerSlap 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (1子コメント)

“When someone shows you who they are believe them; the first time.”

On December 8th, 2015 on the heels of the shooting in San Bernadino, California then presidential candidate Donald Trump’s presidential campaign announced a promise to ban the entry of Muslims entering the United States. He was received with rapid and universal condemnation from congressional Republicans, President Barack Obama, and countless advocacy groups. When given opportunities to soften this position, it was instead reaffirmed. “Everyone,” then campaign manager and future CNN contributor Corey Lewandowski suggested to CNN.

I arrived home from Tulane University to San Diego in the weeks following the San Bernardino attack. My parents are staunch conservative voters, and my mother was given pause by these affirmations, and the statements my father made are likely unfit to be made public. A flurry of counterproductive, often misguided policies came to the fore among Republican presidential hopefuls: police monitoring of Muslim neighborhoods and the specter of the creation of a national registry of Muslims hung in the air. Understandably, tensions were high.

The gears of rationalization began to turn in those contentious kitchen table and telephone conversations. “He wouldn’t do it,” they would say. “And if he did, Congress and the courts would stop him.” In some respects, I was taken in by this line of rhetoric. The United States in living memory has undoubtedly faced darker temptations to attack Muslim communities, and ultimately pulled back. In the aftermath of the 9/11 Attacks in 2001, President George W. Bush affirmed mere days after the attacks that intimidating our Muslim countrymen was a shameful behavior, and that this intimidation would not stand. I believed that leadership— Republican or Democratic, would ultimately reject this dark rhetoric.

As any election, the votes were counted and 8 days prior Donald Trump was Inaugurated President of the United States. I write this because the security blanket of American political norms and institutions has been pulled back. The Protecting The Nation From Foreign Terrorist Entry Into The United States (hereby referred to as the Muslim Ban) executive order which has banned entry for even those with legal visas from several Muslim majority countries. What Americans in living memory would consider unconscionable has again reared its head in the most disorganized and ugly way imaginable.

“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”

As of my writing this, a stay has been put into place to allow those who already possess visas to move freely. But for the majority of January 28th, 2017 what was deemed impossible was made so. Elected officials in the current administration and in Congressional leadership positions all remained silent. Speaker of the House Paul Ryan even affirmed the ban, a reversal from his position against then candidate Trump. Vice President Mike Pence, who only yesterday took time to speak at the March for Life has decided to also remain silent on an Executive Order that will separate families and ultimately disrupt lives. Senate Majority Mitch McConnel likewise has remained wishy-washy at best.

While statements from American leadership in disagreement with such an abhorrent decree were scarce, leadership on the issue was found in Canada. Men and women—the “ordinary Americans” that Trump has stated he wishes to elevate poured into international major American airports such as JFK in New York, LAX in Los Angeles, and Dulles Airport in Virginia. As protests continued the President affirmed that the order was “working well.” He states this as families were detained at airports and legal residents of the United States denied the ability to return from abroad to continue their lives.

Their silence is deafening. Companies have begun to recall workers lest they be trapped outside the United States and the families of international university students must begin to weigh the options before them as their children risk being trapped on either side of this divide. America’s most fervent and strongest allies have come out in condemnation of this activity as Canada has offered to house refugees rejected by the United States and Theresa May, who previously had spoken in glowing terms about the relationship between the United Kingdom and America has denounced the measure. It is the duty of our American institutions to defend the rights of every American, and on that the administration has failed in every possible measure. Even Dick Cheney, vice president of George W. Bush and by no means a “bleeding heart special snowflake” has decried this action.

“Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.”

These unilateral restrictions and ham-handed obstructions are tools of a bygone American age. The idea of national exclusionary immigration acts and agreements were a tool to banish groups dug up from an age far lost from American living memory. It is an exercise in mental gymnastics, an attempt to deny what people are seeing with their eyes to suggest that this exclusionary act didn’t come from a dark, sinister impulse to punish the most vulnerable and the most recent victims of the extremism we seek to destroy.

Refugees have sought the protection of the United States against untold evil times before. Most tragic perhaps is the rejection of Jewish refugees from Germany on the eve of the Second World War. It’s perhaps a twist of tragic coincidence that President Trump signed the order on International Holocaust Remembrance Day. The hard-heartedness of the United States at the time left those fleeing at the mercy of an ideology that sought to annihilate them.

Most young Americans are introduced to this via the Diary of Anne Frank, a young girl in hiding in Nazi occupied Europe. Hiding in Europe was not their first choice, as their father Otto Frank tried everything within his power between the years of 1938 and 1941 to find sanctuary for himself and his family. Both the government of Germany and the United States acted to make entry increasingly difficult despite considerable resources, including friends within the United States offering to sponsor the family’s movement.

Anne Frank died at the age of 15 in Bergen-Belsen concentration camp at the age of 15, separated from most of her family. If her and her family had been fortunate enough to escape from Nazi occupied Holland prior to the United States’ entry into the war, she would be 87 today and been allowed to live a full life. To suggest that Americans have learned this painful lesson amid their affirmations to “never forget” to then go out in front of cameras to sign orders to effectively trap those most vulnerable to unconscionable evil is abhorrent.

“In the end we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends.”

There is a national imperative to dissent against such tactics. The American Experiment has no asterisks, no disclaimers. If America is to live up to its aspirations to be that “shining city upon a hill” there is no greater test than the one before us. If conservative voices can declare that all life is sacred, and that all lives matter, there is no greater calling, no better way to prove that now than to assist those in need now, and to appreciate that this action will disrupt lives and families for years to come for people who have done nothing but work to improve our great American society.

To be silent in the face of despicable acts is to be complicit. We must dissent.

[–]PhysicsIsMyMistress 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Nearly ever generation of my family immigrated. My paternal great grandfather immigrated from Ireland to the US. My maternal grandparents immigrated from India to Pakistan (post partition). My mother immigrated from Pakistan to the US. And I was born in Pakistan to a white American father and my South Asian mother, had dual citizenship, and partly grew up there before living in the US.

I can't for the life of me understand why so many people have this big issue with people moving to other countries. I look back at my family history and I see nothing but people moving around.

[–]arg6531 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (4子コメント)

If you truly care, and if you can, donate to ACLU. They've got a long fight against this ban. https://action.aclu.org/secure/donate-to-aclu

[–]eschevikk 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Our country was founded by people fleeing RELIGIOUS NUT JOBS.

[–]Laytheron 41 ポイント42 ポイント  (11子コメント)

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

-Martin Niemöller

[–]Cavhind 35 ポイント36 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Why the fuck is this website happy to host "communities" who openly call for genocide?

[–]Alex28z 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hello Alexis Ohanian, my name is Alexan Khacheekian and my great grandparents were also survivors of the Armenian Genocide. Due to that my family had to move to Iraq(story is not as outstanding as yours).But at the end of all this my parents decided to move to Toronto as the rest of my family to Glendale. I am proud of my parents of what they have become in Toronto as a Pharmacist and Car dealership owner. I thank you for creating reddit and as well as getting the Armenian Genocide out there.

[–]titanfries -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

My family on my mother's side immigrated from Amman, Jordan to San Francisco, CA in the late 1940s, early 1950s. It very much worries me that family that I have every year from Syria and Jordan, now I may never be able to have again. Good luck to anyone who has immediate family in the blocked countries.

[–]eta_carinae_311 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

My father came here, legally, from Ireland in the 1960s. He didn't want to leave his home, but there were no jobs and if he hadn't he's fully admitted he probably would have joined the IRA. Being able to move here literally kept him from becoming something people are claiming we're keeping out by doing things like this.

[–]lennybird 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The New Colossus poem sends shivers down my spine every time I read it, its words eternalized on a plaque within the Statue of Liberty. I try to remind those filled with hate and anger what America, the melting-pot of the world, was founded upon.

In our darkest days, immigrants from the south took over the agricultural and industrial sectors at home via the Bracero program during WWII, allowing our men to leave the fields and fight abroad.

Thanks to immigrants coming into Ellis Island during the industrial revolution, we are one of the more diverse nations in the world, and because of that, we are innovative and resourceful and—at least during one time—were once a reflection of solidarity.

This is not to say we're not without our darker moments, the treatment of Native Americans and African Americans among others—deplorable. The ignorant among us lashing out at Sikhs as if they were Muslims as if they were all the terrorists. Such an argument on the basis of regional heritage or religious upbringing is no better than judgement on the pigment of one's skin.

I hope in all this we remember that we'll never be perfect, but that the good in us continues to rail against the darkness and infinitely pursue progress, even though we may never reach it.

[–]Stupid_question_bot 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

All Americans are the children of immigrants.. unless they are First Nations of course.