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[–]Mooseyxhmx 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (11子コメント)

Why would he do that? Republicans control both houses of congress, the presidency and in short time the surpreme court. Trump can do what he wants.

[–]bloodraven42 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (9子コメント)

I fully concede that this itself might belong in /r/panichistory, but anyways. I do agree that they're not going to stage a coup. I do worry however that Bannon is attempting to escalate things towards some sort of riot or attack that allows them to unite public support towards whichever policies they want to push, similar to the overwhelmingly pro-Iraq War sentiment the American public exhibited after 9/11. I'm not saying they're going to commit a false flag attack, because why would would they do that when they can just escalate things until it's inevitable some idiot does something.

[–]Mooseyxhmx 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (6子コメント)

What is it that you think he wants to do that would require a major happening?

[–]bloodraven42 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Increase immigration restrictions, break our trade deals and most importantly sever our ties to the international community in a bid to institute economic protectionism. I genuinely think Bannon believes in a very old school, high tariff economy. When people are more focused on the outside issues, they're going to more accepting of higher prices in the markets as a cost of their increased "safety". I think he's playing a very long term game to gradually try and produce an American public more conducive to his aims, backed up by Mercer. Bannon is the front of one of the most quiet, secretive political families in the world. There's definitely an agenda at play.

I am not saying I think he's going to turn America into a bunch of Nazis, or anything that extreme, so I hope no one takes this that way. However, I think there's definitely a much bigger ball game being played in the background than just refugees or a wall of dubious economic value.

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    [–]bloodraven42 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    If you reread my comment you'll see I never said anything against tariffs, merely they I think he's attempting to create an environment more conducive to American protectionism. My stance on tariffs and the efficacy of such an economic system is a completely different matter.

    In general, I think a lot of people at that level of politics are a lot more concerned about the end than the means. In this case, I am a bit worried about those means.

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      [–]bloodraven42 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Again, I reiterate that I'm talking about the means here, not the end.

      But if you really want to hear my opinions, I don't think American protectionism is great. Generally economists agree that free trade is good for the economy. Generally it makes everyone wealthier. A lot of the job loss tacked to free trade is more due simply to advancing technology such as automation and changing demands. This period is similar to that the original Luddites fought against during the onset on industrialization.

      Furthermore, American protectionism explicitly weakens our presence and influence in Asia, handing more power and influence to China. China is already moving in with their own version of the TPP to fill the gap. The TPP had severe issues, but we should have fought for a better deal, not abandoning the best chance we've had in years to curb growing Chinese influence and threats to our status as the world's only super power.

      For historical precedent, I suggest you look at the nullification crisis in American history.

      Edit: Read this. It's a better explanation than I can do. I've seen a far better one on the same sub before, but this recent one can do until I find the other.

      Edit edit: This is an idle thought not really related, but it's an interesting historical quirk that the tariff historically was fought tooth and nail by state rights advocates (see before referenced nullification crisis), whereas the Republican Party today is the party that most fights for the powers of the states and yet are also the ones advocating for protectionism.

      [–]elpochogrande 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Economic protectionism has been tried many times and has failed just as many times.

      [–]gamerlen 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      No, I don't think Bannon is that clever. I think he's just being a racist asshole and stirring up shit because it gives him the giggles.

      [–]bloodraven42 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      It doesn't really matter if Bannon is that smart, because his benefactor, Robert Mercer is.

      [–]whyamisoft -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Because he's literally Hitler, pay attention

      [–]questioneverythought 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      who needs a coup when 62 million people are willing to vote against their own interests

      [–]praemittias 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      While I don't agree with Trump's policies, nor do I think they're for the good of the people that voted for him, your underlying point is dead on. What would a "coup" even accomplish?

      [–]government_shill[S] 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      [–]itsaboyffxiv 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Ya know, they say over a long enough time frame, attacks are going to happen. And they're right.

      But we really don't have enough Super Bowls in the foreseeable future for this broken clock to show the right time, I don't think. At this rate we won't even hold another fifty for another fifty years!

      [–]Miguk_Saram 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Considering how poorly-planned his Muslim ban was, I wouldn't be too worried even if he was planning a coup.