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BreakingGarrickNightwing が 6時間前 投稿
[–]ME24601The Mod Wonder[M] [スコア非表示] 4時間前 stickied comment (0子コメント)
And once more we must lock a thread due to brigading.
[–]dIoIIoIb 1899 ポイント1900 ポイント1901 ポイント 5時間前 (20子コメント)
Trump would fit perfectly in an old x-men story, he looks like the kind of guy that would love to waste billions building giant purple robots to "protect true americans"
[–]BreakingGarrickNightwing[S] 642 ポイント643 ポイント644 ポイント 5時間前 (14子コメント)
Pence would be a better fit.
[–]The_Gay_WhovianQuake 1303 ポイント1304 ポイント1305 ポイント 4時間前 (1子コメント)
http://imgur.com/8fenzUI
[–]BreakingGarrickNightwing[S] 339 ポイント340 ポイント341 ポイント 4時間前 (0子コメント)
Yooo, that's perfect.
[–]closetsquirrelHawkeye 398 ポイント399 ポイント400 ポイント 5時間前 (7子コメント)
I'm not sure how Pence feels about this, to be honest. He sent out a tweet in 2015 saying that barring Middle Eastern refugees would be unconstitutional and unAmerican.
edit: Not necessarily defending Pence on all matters, just to clarify.
[–]BreakingGarrickNightwing[S] 228 ポイント229 ポイント230 ポイント 5時間前 (2子コメント)
How people change...
[–]effin-d 251 ポイント252 ポイント253 ポイント 4時間前 (0子コメント)
Especially when you dangle a high-ranking political office in front of them.
[–]JordoomAquaman 94 ポイント95 ポイント96 ポイント 4時間前 (0子コメント)
It's not uncommon for VPs to disagree with their president. Historically, the winner of the election was the president and the runner-up was a VP. I doubt Pence "changed". I don't endorse all the same things my boss does, either.
[–]lancebaldwin 81 ポイント82 ポイント83 ポイント 4時間前 (2子コメント)
Substitute Trumps islamophobia with Pences homophobia.
[–]closetsquirrelHawkeye 43 ポイント44 ポイント45 ポイント 4時間前 (1子コメント)
I think the image loses a little something when it's Midnighter sitting on a bed crying. :)
[–]lancebaldwin 20 ポイント21 ポイント22 ポイント 4時間前 (0子コメント)
Midnighter
Lmao, I wasn't meaning the op picture. I was talking about the post saying Trump would fit in an X-Men story as the traditional phobic politician. Pence would fit easily as well because of the parallels of his homophobia with mutantphobia.
That's a hilarious image I have in my head now of Midnighter though.
[–]CyberNinjaZeroCaptain Marvel 7 ポイント8 ポイント9 ポイント 4時間前 (0子コメント)
Well it would be constitutional since that only applies to citizens but it's definitely UnAmerican
Then again it is also perfectly American to undermine the constitution
[–]CranyxFlex Mentallo 33 ポイント34 ポイント35 ポイント 4時間前 (0子コメント)
Already happened
[–]_What_am_i_Moon Knight 22 ポイント23 ポイント24 ポイント 4時間前 (1子コメント)
Pence would probably try to use conversion therapy to convert mutants to humans
[–]CyberNinjaZeroCaptain Marvel 13 ポイント14 ポイント15 ポイント 4時間前 (0子コメント)
instead of electricity he would use Terrigen Gas
[–]androidcoma 16 ポイント17 ポイント18 ポイント 4時間前 (0子コメント)
There's this meme:
https://pics.onsizzle.com/why-does-mike-pence-always-look-like-hes-about-to-6652434.png
:)
[–]Hot_Donald 41 ポイント42 ポイント43 ポイント 5時間前 (0子コメント)
His henchmen would ironically be named Nasty Woman and Bad Hombre.
[–]MisterDarcyType 7 ポイント8 ポイント9 ポイント 4時間前 (0子コメント)
God Loves, Man Kills kind-of-type.
[–]SmokinDynamite 3 ポイント4 ポイント5 ポイント 4時間前 (0子コメント)
Or the Fantastic 4. Look up "the hate monger". It ends with the heroes being unsure if the gut was litterally hitler or just a clone. Great stuff.
[–]Fatburg 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 4時間前 (0子コメント)
Trump = William Stryker
[–]Orthodox-Waffle 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 4時間前 (0子コメント)
remember that guy who turned into a blob in the movies? perfect role.
[–]r0cx89Immortal Iron Fist 1192 ポイント1193 ポイント1194 ポイント 5時間前 (7子コメント)
This has more emotion then all of Civil war II. Great stuff.
[–]daymanahaha 167 ポイント168 ポイント169 ポイント 5時間前 (5子コメント)
Civil War 2???
[–]r0cx89Immortal Iron Fist 352 ポイント353 ポイント354 ポイント 5時間前 (2子コメント)
Yeah it was garbage. Just hot garbage.
[–]dart22 222 ポイント223 ポイント224 ポイント 5時間前 (1子コメント)
It was both overbroad and went on for too long.
I'm a grown man with a career, and I couldn't justify keeping up with everything cash-wise or time-wise. I can't imagine what some kid just getting into the hobby would've done. It was also way too spread out. Six months was too long, and you could tell because some of the comics were already assuming that the event ended three or four months in. They did not organize it well.
It's jarring how neat and tidy DC events usually are, and even Marvel cinematics and TV, but how poorly done this was.
[–]r0cx89Immortal Iron Fist 27 ポイント28 ポイント29 ポイント 4時間前 (0子コメント)
Could not have said it better myself.
[–]ptoros7Hellboy 93 ポイント94 ポイント95 ポイント 4時間前 (0子コメント)
You should read it, if only to understand that Civil War II is what Marvel thinks we all want out of comics now. To have plot lines of regular runs disturbed every few months with crossover events for the sake of crossover events... Comics raising pseudo-philosophical points to make the audience feel smart but never actually delving into the conflict or resolving it through dialogue. The whole Hawkeye/Hulk thing was just to tug on imaginary heart strings with no basis in the story...
Not to mention the heroes never even try to talk it out. They are the good guys god damn it. They are supposed to be better than that. Goes without saying but these are just my opinions.
[–]BreakingGarrickNightwing[S] 28 ポイント29 ポイント30 ポイント 5時間前 (0子コメント)
Ha ha, true.
[–]notmyname 197 ポイント198 ポイント199 ポイント 5時間前 (11子コメント)
Great image, but...who is the character? I'm not familiar.
[–]closetsquirrelHawkeye 499 ポイント500 ポイント501 ポイント 5時間前 (9子コメント)
Kamala Khan, aka the current Ms. Marvel. Currently the most prolific Muslim character in the Marvel comic universe.
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[–]closetsquirrelHawkeye 215 ポイント216 ポイント217 ポイント 4時間前 (2子コメント)
How many Muslims do you interact with on a daily basis? Of those, how many have super powers?
[–]Dookie_boy 156 ポイント157 ポイント158 ポイント 4時間前 (1子コメント)
Of those, how many have super powers?
How exactly am I supposed to know with these damn secret identities
[–]closetsquirrelHawkeye 59 ポイント60 ポイント61 ポイント 4時間前 (0子コメント)
Should've backed Tony during the first Civil War.
[–]moose_manBatman 74 ポイント75 ポイント76 ポイント 4時間前 (0子コメント)
My neighbourhood is one that has one of the largest Arab populations in Canada. I've lived near them, worked with them, studied with them. Muslims are as kind and hard working as any other group.
[–]carson63000 130 ポイント131 ポイント132 ポイント 4時間前 (0子コメント)
Yeah, I've never once seen her work on back-end code for a website, like all of the Muslims I interact with on a daily basis.
[–]BreakingGarrickNightwing[S] 106 ポイント107 ポイント108 ポイント 5時間前 (0子コメント)
Ms. Marvel.
[–]CynclMetron 807 ポイント808 ポイント809 ポイント 6時間前 (16子コメント)
The Captain America plushie on the floor really makes this such an intense moment. Freedom, Hope, and Protection lying on the floor.
[–]pigeieio 188 ポイント189 ポイント190 ポイント 5時間前 (0子コメント)
Making him a Nazi seemed like such a bad idea, and now, it's scary just how well it fits with what's going on.
If they knew we where going this way in advance I wish they would have given us a heads up.
[–]Hot_Donald 178 ポイント179 ポイント180 ポイント 6時間前* (2子コメント)
It's powerful because even with all her power she feels powerless.
[–]PM_ME_UR_OBSIDIAN 64 ポイント65 ポイント66 ポイント 4時間前 (1子コメント)
#sodeep
[–]FinnTheHumahnSpider-Man 28 ポイント29 ポイント30 ポイント 5時間前 (0子コメント)
Looking at the picture I never even saw it that way, nice analysis. Stuff like that flies over my head often lol.
[–]BreakingGarrickNightwing[S] 17 ポイント18 ポイント19 ポイント 6時間前 (0子コメント)
Well said.
[+]LandrysHat7 スコアが基準値未満のコメント-161 ポイント-160 ポイント-159 ポイント 5時間前 (8子コメント)
There is nothing powerful about this. Lmao
[–]pigeieio 163 ポイント164 ポイント165 ポイント 5時間前 (7子コメント)
The founding principals that make America work, that everything is built upon and that makes us us are at stake, isn't it hilarious.
[+]LandrysHat7 スコアが基準値未満のコメント-112 ポイント-111 ポイント-110 ポイント 4時間前 (1子コメント)
If you believe that I guess it's not hilarious. Not everyone believes that.
[–]pigeieio 67 ポイント68 ポイント69 ポイント 4時間前 (0子コメント)
You are allowed to come to your own conclusions in America. It is our strength and also one of our greatest weaknesses especially with the fragmentation of information recently. It is what makes us but also what can undo us, and I hope everyone gathers information and comes to conclusions with the serious weight that holds in mind.
[–]vivvavDeadmod[M] 744 ポイント745 ポイント746 ポイント 6時間前 (11子コメント)
To the person who reported this for "/r/politics":
Political posts are not disallowed on this subreddit so long as they are civil.
[–]bob1689321Batman 186 ポイント187 ポイント188 ポイント 4時間前 (2子コメント)
as long as they are civil
This is reddit. This thread will be a shitshow within 6 hours.
[–]princeofropes 107 ポイント108 ポイント109 ポイント 4時間前 (0子コメント)
This is reddit. This thread will be a shitshow within 20 minutes
ftfy
[–]vivvavDeadmod 29 ポイント30 ポイント31 ポイント 4時間前 (0子コメント)
I ain't denyin' it.
[–]The_SvenVictor Mancha 300 ポイント301 ポイント302 ポイント 5時間前 (3子コメント)
But what if I disagree with it? Can I report it then? I don't like being shown things that I disagree with.
How about things that are a reflection of what I already believe are allowed but things that present a differing opinion are removed? That seems fair.
[–]JonnTheMartianMartian Manhunter 141 ポイント142 ポイント143 ポイント 4時間前 (0子コメント)
I don't like being shown things I disagree with
Welcome to America.
[+]DLuX94 スコアが基準値未満のコメント-122 ポイント-121 ポイント-120 ポイント 4時間前 (1子コメント)
That's what already happens tho, with the mods controlling it based on their views and what they expect out of the sub. I've seen it here and other subs. If this was a post agreeing with Trump it would be removed the second it was posted. Not because it was "offensive" but bc it was agreeing with the rightist opinion, and that isn't allowed on the internet especially Reddit.
[–]rave-simons 155 ポイント156 ポイント157 ポイント 4時間前* (0子コメント)
Lol yeah, no right wing folks on Reddit, right-e-o.
The persecution complex of people.
[–]NiyeauxAquaman 152 ポイント153 ポイント154 ポイント 5時間前 (1子コメント)
All art is political.
[–]shlomo_bagginsImpulse 110 ポイント111 ポイント112 ポイント 5時間前 (0子コメント)
especially Marvel comics I mean c'mon.
[–]DLuX94 -196 ポイント-195 ポイント-194 ポイント 4時間前 (1子コメント)
Except the mods control what gets seen or not so only the things you agree with make it, and those things are always the more leftist, liberal view that the collective internet and Reddit mind conforms towards. So the right opinion isn't allowed for being "offensive or too political" but the left is always allowed. Let's not lie to ourselves we know that's true. Don't even try to argue.
Chances are this will be removed for speaking out against the leftist censorship bullshit
[–]vivvavDeadmod[M] 291 ポイント292 ポイント293 ポイント 4時間前 (0子コメント)
People don't really submit rightwing stuff here, at least not as posts. Those opinions get shared and downvoted in the comments, but that's not something we the mods can really control.
There's not a conspiracy here. I'm not pretending that liberal isn't the trend here, I've stated as much in the past. People here just are liberal, and that's the kind of content they submit, and people tend to up/downvote that agrees/disagrees with their views.
If you've got a piece of fan art you wanna share that doesn't unfairly malign any groups that has a conservative political view, we won't remove it. But I can't promise it will be successful. It probably won't be. And that's just out of our control as mods entirely.
The moderators don't make /r/comicbooks what it is. The users do. We are not some shadowy cabal dedicated to silencing certain groups. We're just try to do things to fit the direction the community wants to go.
[–]JLipariRaphael 681 ポイント682 ポイント683 ポイント 6時間前 (17子コメント)
Give me your weak, your tired, your poor... pending they aren't very brown.
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[–]maynardftwArseface 145 ポイント146 ポイント147 ポイント 4時間前 (0子コメント)
The ban makes it so they can't come in legally.
[–]CedarWolfSaint Walker 137 ポイント138 ポイント139 ポイント 4時間前 (0子コメント)
Remember: It was legal to bring brown people here in chains at one point.
[–]moose_manBatman 34 ポイント35 ポイント36 ポイント 4時間前 (1子コメント)
It's often very difficult for people of colour to immigrate to the US legally. But their situations are still often dire, so they resort to illegal immigration to protect their families.
[–]Shandlar 5 ポイント6 ポイント7 ポイント 4時間前 (0子コメント)
We don't have an obligation or the means to protect the families of everyone on the planet.
[+]HeyZeusChrist スコアが基準値未満のコメント-58 ポイント-57 ポイント-56 ポイント 4時間前 (0子コメント)
Muslims aren't banned from America. Why do people exaggerate so much?
[+]TheBallsackIsBack スコアが基準値未満のコメント-58 ポイント-57 ポイント-56 ポイント 4時間前 (0子コメント)
Sorry that Reddit hates legal immigrants so bad. I apologize on behalf of the user base for being so fucking bigoted
[–]cubs1917 150 ポイント151 ポイント152 ポイント 5時間前 (4子コメント)
I happen to know Sana Amanat and her family. Just sent her this. Both great and sad at the same time.
[–]BreakingGarrickNightwing[S] 44 ポイント45 ポイント46 ポイント 5時間前 (1子コメント)
What did she say?
[–]cubs1917 30 ポイント31 ポイント32 ポイント 5時間前 (0子コメント)
Once i hear ill let you know! I love it personally.
[–]Dookie_boy 15 ポイント16 ポイント17 ポイント 4時間前 (1子コメント)
Who ?
[–]buzzbros2002Scott Pilgrim 84 ポイント85 ポイント86 ポイント 4時間前 (0子コメント)
Sana Amanat
The creator of Kamela Khan's character.
[–]nubosisM.O.D.O.K. 215 ポイント216 ポイント217 ポイント 4時間前 (0子コメント)
It took me a second for this image to really sink into me how sad this is. This girl loves being a hero, wants to help, and her country tells her she's not wanted. That's awful. I've been against this executive order from the get go, but 30 something year old white guy like failed to think how this must feel to an otherwise happy Muslim kid going about their day. Don't worry Kamala, the battle's not over yet.
[–]TheSwampDwellerAnimal Man 200 ポイント201 ポイント202 ポイント 6時間前 (4子コメント)
More : https://mobile.twitter.com/philnoto/status/825484459814313985/photo/1
https://mobile.twitter.com/mylifeasliztal/status/825482781161570306/photo/1
[–]AshybuttonsShe-Hulk 44 ポイント45 ポイント46 ポイント 5時間前 (1子コメント)
America Chavez just looks like she's rocking out in the second one.
[–]CyberNinjaZeroCaptain Marvel 9 ポイント10 ポイント11 ポイント 4時間前 (0子コメント)
When isn't she?
[–]Dakar-AIron Man 42 ポイント43 ポイント44 ポイント 4時間前 (0子コメント)
Peggy Carter is hilarious in that second one- "Can't believe I have to protest this shit again"
[–]closetsquirrelHawkeye 10 ポイント11 ポイント12 ポイント 5時間前 (0子コメント)
I love Noto's work, and that picture is amazing.
[–]CFGXBatman 64 ポイント65 ポイント66 ポイント 6時間前 (13子コメント)
There's a logical break somewhere between the reaction to the TV and the Captain Marvel poster.
[–]rubygeekThanos 123 ポイント124 ポイント125 ポイント 6時間前 (12子コメント)
Keep in mind that Captain Marvel is/was a close friend to her up until Civil War II, and her conflict with Captain Marvel is explicitly down to concerns over civil rights. Tearing down pictures of people who used to be dear to you is the first thing some people do, and the last thing other people do when conflicts arise.
[–]BreakingGarrickNightwing[S] 84 ポイント85 ポイント86 ポイント 6時間前 (8子コメント)
Kamala is right when it came to CWII matters. Carol wasn't being logical. She was character assassinated during that series.
[–]rubygeekThanos 27 ポイント28 ポイント29 ポイント 6時間前* (7子コメント)
She wasn't being logical, and I agree - I hated that they wrote her that way - but her motivation is losing a person she love under and operation that was relatively uncontroversial (stopping Thanos is not a civil rights issue...) and her general Law and Order fetish and military background.... But they executed it horribly - they badly needed more time to show her struggling with it but getting more and more reasons to support it so it was a natural progression. Not "oh, I'm heartbroken, let's suspend civil rights".
[–]feor1300 6 ポイント7 ポイント8 ポイント 5時間前 (2子コメント)
I didn't read the main "Civil War II" book, but I read a number of the tie-ins just as part of my regular monthly pull, and in those she seems quite logical. She acknowledges that she could easily end up in Minority Report territory, works with everyone she can to minimize the damage it could do to civil rights, is disinclined to arrest anyone based purely on Ulysses visions, but instead tries to use them as a jumping off point to figure out who she should be investigating. IF she can find something to arrest them for before the vision happens she will, if she can't she'll just monitor them to minimize response time to the crime when it does happen. And in at least a couple of the books part of her thought process was revealed as "Ulysses exists, the genie's out of the bottle, and at least I know I'm trying to do the right thing with it."
Honestly, her biggest flaw in the tie-ins is failing to accept that in trying to prevent these crimes from happening she often ends up being the catalyst that causes the crime to happen.
I might pick up the primary storyline in TPB when it comes out, just for the curiosity of seeing the contrast between the tie-ins and the way she apparently behaves in those central books.
[–]rubygeekThanos 3 ポイント4 ポイント5 ポイント 5時間前 (1子コメント)
This is part of the problem as well. I haven't read all of the tieins, but she's all over the place relative to the main story line, and she is also extremely confrontational instead of trying to find alternatives. There's this recurring issue of her wording herself in ways that regardless of what arrangement she might be willing to accept makes it sound like she wants to throw people in a cell.
My biggest issue vis-a-vis Minority Report is that one issue that even Minority Report does not address is that if interfering prevents something to happen, it is irrelevant that not interfering means it would have happened, as that means we do not have free will, and people do not have any meaningful moral responsibility for what they would have done. That also means that regardless of what happens if you interfere, then if you interfere then that is what always would have happened, and hence these people are innocent.
Where there are arguments to interfere, that very intererence would be evidence the crime would never take place, and hence the interference itself would need to take into account that you're interfering with someone who is and always will be innocent of that potential crime.
It first only becomes even potentially moral to punish people (as opposed to taking reasonable means to prevent the crime) once the method is not foolproof, but that at the same time means that anywher from some to most of your punishment will involve punishing people who'd never carry out a crime.
And that ought to mean you never do more than try to prevent the crime without stepping all over peoples rights, and should be something that you should've needed a very convincing reason for Carol not to accept, especially given the huge power she has to her disposal, which means there are exceedingly few threats she would realistically be unable to contain or have her people contain
[–]feor1300 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 4時間前 (0子コメント)
And that ought to mean you never do more than try to prevent the crime without stepping all over peoples rights, and should be something that you should've needed a very convincing reason for Carol not to accept,
And (at least in the tie-ins) that's what we see her do. In the main Captain marvel book she gets warned that an old depowered supervillain was going to regain his powers and go on a rampage. So she goes with the local cops just to have a talk with him, and finds that he still had the thing that originally gave him his powers, which he believed to be inert, but having it was a violation of his parole, so they arrest him for that, not for the rampage he was going to go on (that pays off in a twist very much like the end of Minority Report, and gives that villain a good chance to redeem himself).
We also see them fighting a guy who had been possessed by one of the Great Beasts in Canada. The Canadian representative is incensed that they didn't detain him as soon as Ulysses had his vision about that happening, and Captain Marvel defended the decision saying the man had done nothing wrong, he had no criminal history, just some mental illness that he was treating with medication. So instead of arresting him for something he might do, she put him under observation, so when it did happen they were able to stop him before he hurt anybody.
In Agents of Shield Ulysses saw the Wrecking crew destroying the Brooklyn Bridge and killing Daredevil in the process, and she basically works backwards from his vision to find the wrecking crew and arrests them for... well, the Wrecking Crew's bound to have something outstanding they're wanted for (unfortunately the paddy wagon's route took them across the Brooklyn Bridge just as Daredevil was coming the other way...).
The only time I saw her even kind of want to detain someone purely based on Ulysses visions is in A-Force, where he had a vision of Nico killing a young woman, and Carol asked her to stay in the SHIELD hospital they were in (visiting She-Hulk post-Thanos) until they could figure out what was going on. Nico freaks out that she's being arrested (though I don't think Carol ever said she wouldn't let her leave, but I'd have to re-read it to be sure) and teleports to a safehouse (that happens to lead her direct to the young woman from the vision).
So yeah, she didn't (in my reading) seem to have any interest in punishing people for things they might do, and more a desire to try and prevent them from doing things they would need to be punished for.
[–]BreakingGarrickNightwing[S] 14 ポイント15 ポイント16 ポイント 6時間前 (3子コメント)
I don't think they should've let Bendis write the story. Maybe someone else like Jeff Lemire would've done a better job?
[–]rubygeekThanos 5 ポイント6 ポイント7 ポイント 5時間前 (2子コメント)
Maybe. Also perhaps it would have been better to start the event later - have a longer build-up in Captain Marvel or A-Force (to get the Medusa hook-up to Ulysses) to build up her reason to be blind with rage... Show her starting to step over some boundaries before they tried creating the wider conflict in that little space.
[–]BreakingGarrickNightwing[S] 9 ポイント10 ポイント11 ポイント 5時間前 (0子コメント)
They obviously did it to tie in the movie.
[–]srwaddict 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 5時間前 (0子コメント)
That would imply that marvel Can wait on their Next Huge Event that Changes Everything. They keep cranking them out faster and faster over the years.
[–]KingGorilla 3 ポイント4 ポイント5 ポイント 6時間前 (2子コメント)
What series is this storyline in? Would like to read
[–]rubygeekThanos 11 ポイント12 ポイント13 ポイント 5時間前* (0子コメント)
Civil War II, with crossover to pretty much everything, and a bunch of Civil War: [insert here/group/corny slogan here] tie-ins.
There's a list here.
It's basically about an Inhuman that seems to have visions of future crimes and disasters, and how it splits the supeheroes again.
It's weak sauce - they make the arguments against very, very poorly, when the simplest argument against that type of predictive justice they if they are successful, they are showing that the visions are not fact but one possible future.
They equally weakly deal with the counter-argument, that someone with the IQ of Tony Stark should have made immediatey: When the pro-intervention people hail successes like Thanos, he should have pointed out that those are uncontroversial. Thanos is a supervillain that they would have fought on the basis of his presence, without waiting for him to break the law. Likewise, while what happens to Hulk (spoilers) is bad, intervening should not have been controversial.
Starks response to "but Thanos" should have been that "sure, intervene when the mere presence of someone in the visions is bad - if you're wrong and they don't' show up, no harm has been done, and if they do show up that itself is enough reason to act. Do the same for anything sufficiently bad: show up. Then wait for evidence of something bad. The problem is arresting an innocent without even giving them the chance."
The issue for the "good guys" should not have been the method overall - but what happens as it turns from being prepared to stop threats to incarcerating people who are not yet criminals, and conveniently ignoring that the arrest prevents the crime from happening.
The counter again should be that some things may be too risky do wait to see if someone does something wrong, such as e.g. waiting to see if someone has a bomb.
Instead the arguments are all weak attempts that doesn't explore the issues at all.
But part of the problem, I suspect, is that if both sides had made good arguments, then Carol's side would likely end up looking too much like comic-book-nazis, as you can find compromises to most of these situations that protect civil rights, unless the "bad guys" insist on punishment with prison sentences etc. or other extreme measures against someone who never commits a crime.
So either you resolve the conflict, or half the Marvel heroes come out looking like wannabe nazis, or you cop out and make the arguments unreasonably weak so that it's possible to make Carol and her supporters misguided rather than evil.
As it was, Kamala did have to deal with a little Hitlerjugend style group, and even that they botched in having the characters be staggeringly bad in arguing the points.
If you want a good story about predictive justice, I'd say watch Minority Report the movie and/or read Philip K. Dicks original short story (they are very different) - Civil War II is not it.
EDIT: Accidentally the name of Minority Report.
[–]BreakingGarrickNightwing[S] 16 ポイント17 ポイント18 ポイント 6時間前 (0子コメント)
CWII, but it's a terrible story line. Would not recommend.
[–]Hot_Donald 54 ポイント55 ポイント56 ポイント 5時間前 (8子コメント)
I would love to hang this in my house. It feels so personal.
[–]Saltoverload 293 ポイント294 ポイント295 ポイント 6時間前* (19子コメント)
Can anyone explain pretty please? Muslim ban? Is it about the immigration ban to America for some countries? Or have I missed something.
EDIT: Thanks for the downvotes,Im studying for my final exams in first semester, sorry I dont keep up with the news everyday and dont know everything, you entitled pricks.
[–]TremodianMister Natural 111 ポイント112 ポイント113 ポイント 6時間前 (0子コメント)
Yes, it is referencing that.
[–]closetsquirrelHawkeye 159 ポイント160 ポイント161 ポイント 5時間前 (1子コメント)
Quick summary: Trump put a ban on all people coming from six Middle Eastern countries, including those with US visas and green cards. However, there is a caveat in that religious minorities of those countries are exempt, meaning basically a large majority of Muslims are not allowed in.
[–]slithymonsterSkinner Sweet 130 ポイント131 ポイント132 ポイント 4時間前 (0子コメント)
Also exempt are Muslims from countries where Trump has business interests, including Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, and Egypt. The 9/11 hijackers and Bin Laden were from Saudi Arabia. So even if Trump thought it was a good idea to ban Muslims, he put his own financial interests ahead of the country. Lose-lose all around.
[–]tgrdem 88 ポイント89 ポイント90 ポイント 5時間前* (7子コメント)
It's a little more than an immigration ban. Trump signed in an excutive order stopping immigration from those countries. People who had green cards or visas in America were also being stopped from going home (I believe the federal court just made a ruling to give these particular people 90 days to come home. I could be wrong here.) On top of that he also made it clear Christians would still be accepted as refugees. Hence it not just being a ban to those countries but specifically to Muslims. I'll try to source this info. I'll edit my post in a bit.
Edit: Source about the initial refugee hault https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/514844/?client=ms-android-hms-tmobile-us
Cases of Visa Holders Being Detained https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2017/01/28/politics/donald-trump-travel-ban/index.html?client=ms-android-hms-tmobile-us
Trump on Prioritizing Christians https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2017/01/27/politics/trump-christian-refugees/index.html?client=ms-android-hms-tmobile-us
Green Card Holders: Case by Case Basis http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2017-01-29/us-green-card-holders-donald-trump-order/8220838?pfmredir=sm
[–]finnyliciousJohn Prophet 18 ポイント19 ポイント20 ポイント 4時間前 (6子コメント)
Yes, they have been given 90 days to come home, because the ban itself is only set to last for 90 days. Once those 90 days are up the restrictions are lifted for everyone, so there's no need to allow citizens special return privileges past that point.
[–]tgrdem 26 ポイント27 ポイント28 ポイント 4時間前* (2子コメント)
Weird everywhere I'm reading says 120 days for the ban.
Source: https://www.google.com/amp/amp.usatoday.com/story/97183112/?client=ms-android-hms-tmobile-us
Edit: Yeah I just skimmed a summary of the ban. It is 120 days.
[–]finnyliciousJohn Prophet 17 ポイント18 ポイント19 ポイント 4時間前 (1子コメント)
It's 90 days minimum, 120 days maximum.
http://edition.cnn.com/2017/01/27/politics/donald-trump-refugees-executive-order/index.html
Since his administration has stated that US citizens are being given 90 day return privileges, it only makes sense to assume that the ban will be lifted after 90 days.
It would make no logical sense to ban people who didn't come back in the first 90 days for the 30 days between day 90 and day 120.
[–]tgrdem 11 ポイント12 ポイント13 ポイント 4時間前 (0子コメント)
Ah, that makes sense.
Though I do feel like you're putting a lot of faith in logic in a time where it feels like most people aren't logical.
[–]cazamumba 13 ポイント14 ポイント15 ポイント 4時間前 (2子コメント)
Wait... if the whole thing becomes moot in 90 days, what was the point in the first place? What's this dude trying to accomplish?
Suspicious.
[–]Sycopathy 53 ポイント54 ポイント55 ポイント 4時間前 (0子コメント)
It's an interim policy whilst the government forms new immigration procedures to take effect after the blanket ban period apparently.
[–]finnyliciousJohn Prophet 8 ポイント9 ポイント10 ポイント 4時間前* (0子コメント)
My guess, it's Trump's tacit way of appeasing the people who voted for him on the platform of a Muslim ban.
I can't imagine James Mattis or Mike Pence would have had good things to say about a muslim ban -- since Pence believes it unconstitutional, and Mattis believed similar proposed programs to be unamerican -- so this is probably all Trump's going to be doing on this front, and is most likely just to release some pressure from his more hardcore right-wing supporters.
EDIT - I understand that it's an interim policy, but there were much less inflammatory ways of doing that. This, specifically, was partly to appease a certain demographic.
EDIT EDIT - I'm also not defending this executive order.
[–]pigeieio 27 ポイント28 ポイント29 ポイント 5時間前* (0子コメント)
Yes, also that he signed the order that effectively bans us taking in refuges on the day to remember the Holocaust, it was meant to send a very specific message.
[+]JonBenetRamZThe Stalk スコアが基準値未満のコメント-31 ポイント-30 ポイント-29 ポイント 4時間前* (0子コメント)
re:downvotes
This is exactly why people reported OP for "politics." It's not enough that you agree or empathize, if you don't submit to the exact terminology (or even if you're ignorant of the situation) you get punished. You made the mistake of pointing out that the real situation (a ban on muslims from a subset of countries) is not exactly the cut-and-dry "BAN ON ALL MUSLIMS!" that it's being discussed as. Once again, it's not enough that the left wins this moral argument, they have to definitively win so they overstate the problem and paint their opponents as "entirely indefensible" when in reality their policies only show incremental differences. The same way that there is an earnings gap between men and women, but it's a lot easier (and takes a lot less cognitive effort) to talk about "women getting paid less for the same job" which is not at all what the studies show. There is an earning gap specifically BECAUSE men and women don't choose the same jobs, and by misrepresenting the situation you actually cause more harm than good.
It's exhausting, especially since the "anti-Trump" faction is only really marginally more empathetic than the Trump faction and it's really more like their own sense of self-importance just so happened to intersect with a real issue than a case of them "standing up for the oppressed." The entire conversation is being held on the intellectual level of a "cloth vagina hat," which is to say we're stuck middle school as a country. NO ONE is acting in a way that makes me think "love" is the impetus for their actions.
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[–]Saltoverload 19 ポイント20 ポイント21 ポイント 4時間前 (0子コメント)
European, first semester is ending, that means exams. Maybe finals isnt the right word, I'm not sure.
[–]chornuJoker 34 ポイント35 ポイント36 ポイント 5時間前 (1子コメント)
Powerful. Really well done.
[–]BreakingGarrickNightwing[S] 8 ポイント9 ポイント10 ポイント 5時間前 (0子コメント)
The artist did a great job with this.
[–]housesorhice 16 ポイント17 ポイント18 ポイント 5時間前 (14子コメント)
I don't get it.
[–]closetsquirrelHawkeye 50 ポイント51 ポイント52 ポイント 5時間前 (0子コメント)
Said this in another reply:
[–]BreakingGarrickNightwing[S] 48 ポイント49 ポイント50 ポイント 5時間前 (12子コメント)
It relates to the recent immigration ban ordered by Trump.
[–]housesorhice 13 ポイント14 ポイント15 ポイント 5時間前 (11子コメント)
I don't follow marvel very closely, is she supposed to be captain america?
[–]Jazz_P9350 95 ポイント96 ポイント97 ポイント 5時間前 (1子コメント)
Because Op has trouble understanding that some people are coming from /r/all
She's a muslim american that is the current Ms. Marvel.
[–]housesorhice 43 ポイント44 ポイント45 ポイント 5時間前 (0子コメント)
Thank you, I did come from /r/all
[–]BuynUltimate Spider-Man 37 ポイント38 ポイント39 ポイント 5時間前 (2子コメント)
She's the current (https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/aa/f1/b9/aaf1b986da468038a542c045e77be1f5.jpg) Ms. Marvel
[–]housesorhice 21 ポイント22 ポイント23 ポイント 5時間前* (1子コメント)
Is the comic referencing her heritage or is it stating that the visa suspension is inconsistent with her values?
Edit: What did I say to deserve these downvotes?
[–]the-worst 43 ポイント44 ポイント45 ポイント 5時間前 (0子コメント)
she's Muslim. it's showing her sadness over how Trump's bullshit is affecting her family and her heritage, and likely her faith in this country.
[–]BreakingGarrickNightwing[S] 16 ポイント17 ポイント18 ポイント 5時間前* (4子コメント)
No, she's not a Captain America.
[–]General_NothingTim Drake/Red Robin 6 ポイント7 ポイント8 ポイント 5時間前 (3子コメント)
Why are you being downvoted? She's not a Captain America.
[–]BreakingGarrickNightwing[S] 7 ポイント8 ポイント9 ポイント 5時間前 (2子コメント)
I'm not sure. I guess some think she's a Captain America figure and disagree with me?
[–]poohmaobearRocketeer 16 ポイント17 ポイント18 ポイント 4時間前 (1子コメント)
I'd guess they just aren't happy that you said no she isn't and didn't say who she is?
[–]BreakingGarrickNightwing[S] 3 ポイント4 ポイント5 ポイント 4時間前 (0子コメント)
Probably.
[–]TheKrakenArises 4 ポイント5 ポイント6 ポイント 5時間前 (0子コメント)
She's Ms. Marvel, a book that came put last year? Two years ago? I can't remember, but it is very well written. I only read the first volume, but I enjoyed it greatly. Ms. Marvel is Muslim.
[+]afewdollarsmoreBruce Wayne is Batman? スコアが基準値未満のコメント-20 ポイント-19 ポイント-18 ポイント 5時間前* (5子コメント)
Wait, Kamala is usually denouncing Muslim ideals and practices in favor of the American lifestyle. She even says something like: "I'm not from (blank) I'm from New Jersey." This point is driven further by the way her and her father make fun of her ultra religious brother for being a devoted Muslim.
But now she's the symbol for Muslims in America? Granted I haven't read every Ms. Marvel trade since Kamala took over but maybe people are meshing the idea of what people think Kamala Khan represents and who the character actually is.
Edit: You know you're right when no one references the comics when telling you how you're wrong. They just get emotional.
[–]Definetelynottom 177 ポイント178 ポイント179 ポイント 5時間前 (3子コメント)
You don't have to conform to certain ideals to be proud of your heritage or empathetic towards others.
[+]afewdollarsmoreBruce Wayne is Batman? スコアが基準値未満のコメント-50 ポイント-49 ポイント-48 ポイント 4時間前* (2子コメント)
Kamala isn't proud of her heritage, she wants nothing to do with it. She just wants to be a girl and a good superhero.
edit: Didn't say she was hostile towards the beliefs.
[–]BromaoAdam Warlock 55 ポイント56 ポイント57 ポイント 4時間前 (0子コメント)
Can you point out some examples? It's been a while since I read her series but from what I remember while she certainly found some aspects of islamic culture boring, she never came off as hostile towards it as a whole to me.
[–]wisesonAC 76 ポイント77 ポイント78 ポイント 4時間前 (0子コメント)
You should go re read lol
[–]red_suited 60 ポイント61 ポイント62 ポイント 4時間前 (0子コメント)
The ban takes away the same freedom and happiness she has from being able to reach other people from her same background. If she was born later, then she possibly wouldn't have the opportunity she now has. Hell, things are already getting worse and ethnic people are getting called Unamerican simply because of the color of their skin. She doesn't need to be a practicing Muslim to feel the effects.
[+]TheBallsackIsBack スコアが基準値未満のコメント-58 ポイント-57 ポイント-56 ポイント 4時間前 (1子コメント)
Wow this is grade A propaganda
[–]BreakingGarrickNightwing[S] 95 ポイント96 ポイント97 ポイント 4時間前 (0子コメント)
Propaganda?
[+]Impetulio スコアが基準値未満のコメント-84 ポイント-83 ポイント-82 ポイント 5時間前 (4子コメント)
This is hilariously stupid.
[–]BreakingGarrickNightwing[S] 71 ポイント72 ポイント73 ポイント 4時間前 (1子コメント)
Why is it stupid?
[+]Taliochz スコアが基準値未満のコメント-70 ポイント-69 ポイント-68 ポイント 4時間前 (0子コメント)
Because Khan's whole thing is that she's from New Jersey and fights her own heritage's ideals. Here shes sad that there is backlash against radicals.
[–]crybannanna 30 ポイント31 ポイント32 ポイント 5時間前 (0子コメント)
How so?
[–]DarthStormwizardTim Drake/Red Robin 26 ポイント27 ポイント28 ポイント 5時間前 (0子コメント)
Care to actually explain why?
[+]JordoomAquaman スコアが基準値未満のコメント-110 ポイント-109 ポイント-108 ポイント 4時間前 (2子コメント)
Unsubbing. This kind of saccharine political moralizing is just really not the content I want from this subreddit.
So long and thank you all for a couple great years!
[–]BreakingGarrickNightwing[S] 102 ポイント103 ポイント104 ポイント 4時間前* (0子コメント)
Bye. edit: is this serious or...
[–]moose_manBatman 63 ポイント64 ポイント65 ポイント 4時間前 (0子コメント)
Have fun.
[+]HovarTM スコアが基準値未満のコメント-116 ポイント-115 ポイント-114 ポイント 5時間前 (13子コメント)
Yeah the media lying can cause quite a reaction in some people. It really is upsetting to see that corporations can repeatedly and directly lie to the populace for years and have no backlash.
[–]crybannanna 96 ポイント97 ポイント98 ポイント 5時間前 (3子コメント)
What? How is the media lying? You know what, forget it. Don't really feel like going down this rabbit hole. I already feel bad enough about the future without having to hear whatever nonsense you've bought into. Has a nice day though.
[+]HovarTM スコアが基準値未満のコメント-70 ポイント-69 ポイント-68 ポイント 5時間前 (2子コメント)
"Muslim Ban"
simple as that tbqh
[–]crybannanna 67 ポイント68 ポイント69 ポイント 5時間前 (1子コメント)
Aha. It would be more accurate if they were to say "Select Muslim country ban".
[+]HovarTM スコアが基準値未満のコメント-38 ポイント-37 ポイント-36 ポイント 5時間前 (0子コメント)
Yeah, that would be a lot more accurate.
[–]closetsquirrelHawkeye 79 ポイント80 ポイント81 ポイント 5時間前 (6子コメント)
It's an executive order. You can easily read it yourself without media filters. It clearly says that people from Libya, Sudan, Somalia, Syria, Iran, Iraq, and Yemen are barred from entering the US for 90 to 120 days, regardless of their current status i.e. legally having a US green card or visa.
There is a caveat in this order that says religious minorities from these nations are exempt and can still enter. Well, the religious majority of all these nations is Islam. Hence people saying it's a ban on Muslims.
Plus, people are questioning the purpose as several nations of which known terrorists originated from, such as Saudi Arabia, Kyrgyzstan, Afghanistan, and Pakistan are not on this list.
And, finally, it should be noted that Trump has business dealings in the UAE, Turkey, and Qatar, which are also notably absent from the list.
[–]finnyliciousJohn Prophet 67 ポイント68 ポイント69 ポイント 4時間前 (2子コメント)
It should be noted that the countries omitted were not picked by Trump himself, so their ommission most likely had nothing to do with monetary ties.
Instead they were the countries ommitted from Obama's Visa Waiver Plan programme, which Trump's 'Muslim Ban' is a modified version of.
The countries were flagged as problem countries by the previous administration, and Trump is just following the information that has been left for him.
Before I get mass downvoted, I am not in favour of this executive order, I'm just pointing some stuff out.
[–]closetsquirrelHawkeye 20 ポイント21 ポイント22 ポイント 4時間前 (1子コメント)
Fair enough. Thanks for the information.
[–]finnyliciousJohn Prophet 35 ポイント36 ポイント37 ポイント 4時間前 (0子コメント)
No worries. A lot of misinformation and scaremongering floating about.
[–]HovarTM 54 ポイント55 ポイント56 ポイント 4時間前 (2子コメント)
Trump used a list Obama had created of suspect countries and suddenly people accuse the list of being biased in favor of Trump's business dealings.
[–]rave-simons 47 ポイント48 ポイント49 ポイント 4時間前 (0子コメント)
Obama didn't ban folks with green cards and visas from entering.
Anyone could have made that list of places that have the potential to have dangerous people come from them. It's what you do with the list that matters.
[–]Taliochz 16 ポイント17 ポイント18 ポイント 4時間前 (0子コメント)
Incredible, isn't it?
[–]mankun0079 39 ポイント40 ポイント41 ポイント 5時間前 (1子コメント)
Yeah, Fox News is the cancer of USA culture.
[–]HovarTM 11 ポイント12 ポイント13 ポイント 5時間前 (0子コメント)
One of many! We have to take the media networks down.
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[–]BreakingGarrickNightwing[S] 23 ポイント24 ポイント25 ポイント 5時間前 (2子コメント)
Sorry, but that doesn't relate in this scenario.
[+]Raptor_Jetpack スコアが基準値未満のコメント-88 ポイント-87 ポイント-86 ポイント 4時間前 (0子コメント)
Powerful? More like funny.
[+]Jack_Burton1588 スコアが基準値未満のコメント-159 ポイント-158 ポイント-157 ポイント 6時間前 (19子コメント)
Lol where was the outrage when Obama banned Iraqis in 2011 from entering the country. This is getting out of control. And again doesn't need to be on a comic book reddit. No politics please.
[–]MidnightMadman 190 ポイント191 ポイント192 ポイント 6時間前* (4子コメント)
Obama's action in 2015 didn't ban Iraqis, it added an interview to the vetting process before granting a visa. Trump has enacted an out and out ban. Also it wasn't an executive order but a congressional action. These are Stark differences.
Edit: I would also like to add that no subreddit exists in a vacuum. Our world is rapidly changing and the mediums of pop culture that we enjoy are going to react to it. More than likely the reactions will be negative because America has elected an anti humanitarian tangello with a corruption record thicker than Atlas Shrugged.
[+]Mangalz スコアが基準値未満のコメント-45 ポイント-44 ポイント-43 ポイント 5時間前 (3子コメント)
Trump has enacted an out and out ban.
For 90 days to put in place better interview and vetting processes, from countries already selected by the Obama administration.
[–]zigzagman1031 67 ポイント68 ポイント69 ポイント 5時間前 (2子コメント)
Weird how those countries don't include any of the places in the middle east Trump has business interests, huh?
[+]Mangalz スコアが基準値未満のコメント-17 ポイント-16 ポイント-15 ポイント 5時間前 (0子コメント)
How kind of Obama to do that for Trump. Is Obama working for Putin too??
[–]StoneStringImmortal Iron Fist 104 ポイント105 ポイント106 ポイント 6時間前 (0子コメント)
Political satire and commentary in comics! When has that happened?
[–]BreakingGarrickNightwing[S] 80 ポイント81 ポイント82 ポイント 6時間前* (11子コメント)
Going by your logic, does that mean users on /r/comicbooks should stop talking about TDKR and plenty of other politically oriented comic books, like Watchmen?
[–]poohmaobearRocketeer 19 ポイント20 ポイント21 ポイント 4時間前 (0子コメント)
Comics are politics
[+]LonelanIron Man スコアが基準値未満のコメント-92 ポイント-91 ポイント-90 ポイント 4時間前 (2子コメント)
#MakeMsMarvelCarolAgain
[–]BreakingGarrickNightwing[S] 52 ポイント53 ポイント54 ポイント 4時間前 (0子コメント)
She's Captain Marvel now.
[+]CyberNinjaZeroCaptain Marvel スコアが基準値未満のコメント-28 ポイント-27 ポイント-26 ポイント 4時間前 (0子コメント)
How bout we settle for giving her the costume back?
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[–]Sibbo94Captain Marvel 64 ポイント65 ポイント66 ポイント 5時間前 (3子コメント)
You might wanna come get your boy.
GULLIANI: So when he first announced it, he said Muslim ban. He called me up, he said "Put a commission together, show me the right way to do it legally".
https://youtu.be/l9GKL6i38pI?t=3m8s
[–]cubs1917 28 ポイント29 ポイント30 ポイント 5時間前 (40子コメント)
Yikes
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[–]mankun0079 18 ポイント19 ポイント20 ポイント 5時間前 (1子コメント)
Does all Trump supporters live in alternative reality?
[–]Mangalz 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 5時間前 (0子コメント)
No we does not.
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[–]Cuddle_ApocalypseSaint of Killers 37 ポイント38 ポイント39 ポイント 6時間前 (2子コメント)
It's not necessarily the three-month stoppage all by itself that has people outraged. It's (at the moment) mostly the fact that people who have already been vetted and received legal resident and visa status are being kept from returning to their lives in the US.
It wasn't just blocking new immigrants or refugees from coming here, but also those that are here legally but happened to be out of the country at the time the EO went through, essentially stranding them wherever they were.
[–]StellaferaBlue Beetle 22 ポイント23 ポイント24 ポイント 6時間前 (0子コメント)
This exactly. Imagine going on vacation and then not being able to return home for three months unexpectedly. It'd be a huge financial strain, for one thing.
[–]JLipariRaphael 43 ポイント44 ポイント45 ポイント 6時間前 (6子コメント)
Or the end of an ideal
[–]Killobyte 44 ポイント45 ポイント46 ポイント 6時間前 (0子コメント)
Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!*
*not valid for tired, poor, etc. from Syria, Libya, Sudan, Iraq, Iran, Yemen or Somalia
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[–]JLipariRaphael 5 ポイント6 ポイント7 ポイント 6時間前 (3子コメント)
Others doing something doesn't make it ok... Obama bastardized plenty of our ideals
π Rendered by PID 27992 on app-633 at 2017-01-30 01:11:58.589753+00:00 running 01350e9 country code: JP.
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