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[–]WalterMatthau 41 ポイント42 ポイント  (18子コメント)

Slavoj Zizek is worth his weight in gold, both because he endlessly pisses off pretty much everyone, and because of his awesome face, and so on, and so on.

[–]Sardonic_Deity[S] 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (9子コメント)

I love how some autistic anarchist in that thread is convinced that Zizek is some liberal plant that's there to prevent their revolution.

[–]Hammer_of_truthiness 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (3子コメント)

The revolution will doom itself once it interrupts the tendies supply

[–]Sardonic_Deity[S] 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Look at them, the LARPER's are mad that Zizek's telling them to read, think, instead of "Smashie Smashie".

[–]SkekEkt 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (1子コメント)

"Shit, I didn't spend all this time organising Pitchfork and Torch Mobs for Tolerance just to hear some smarty-pants tell me I should temper my violent actions with careful consideration and mental self-analysis. Pfft! There's fash what needs bashing! HO!!"

[–]MilkbottleF 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

organising Pitchfork and Torch Mobs for Tolerance

Oh, you over-estimate these kids by a mile. They're not spending time to organize anything, their "activism" is restricted to pureile, masturbatory fantasies about rioting, beating and murdering everyone who disagrees with them when the revolution comes, repeating "bash the fash" six hundred times a day, and tossing off the occasional death threat. They like to talk tough on the Internet, to make themselves feel like ass-kicking vigilantes ("Every time I walk around town now, I feel like I'm on patrol, just begging for a fascist face to acquaint with the curb."), but it never goes any further than that.

[–]WalterMatthau 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Seriously, it's so wonderful. You can take that sentence and just switch the nouns to reflect the other end of the spectrum and it would be equally true.

Zizek should be a /r/drama mod.

[–]Sardonic_Deity[S] 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (2子コメント)

He might even accept it. I want to see him do Coke Cola and Starbucks advertisements. I'd love to become an r/drama mod.

[–]atakeonhooper 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

didn't he write a catalog or something

like the sears catalog.

[–]HillaryDidNothnWrong 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

He's basically the Gaben of things that piss scientists off.

[–]Prince_Kropotkin 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (4子コメント)

"the court jester of Marxism" is how Freddie deBoer put it.

[–]opi 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Over here the lore of court jester is that he is always a smart person who uses buffoonery and comedy to tell the untellable truth to king. That would fit, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sta%C5%84czyk_(painting)#Sta.C5.84czyk

[–]Prince_Kropotkin 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

There is a famous video out there of someone saying as much. It was a kind of new age hippie guy, can't remember this name.

EDIT: it was Alan Watts, here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mC9pixtehj4

[–]opi 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thanks for the video, going on Watts binge.

[–]Monkey_Paralysed 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

No such thing as truth though.

[–]FreeRobotFrost 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Zizek's great, but I'd really like to see him and Stallman team up to spitroast corporate fascism together.

[–]megumin_mana 37 ポイント38 ポイント  (17子コメント)

Zizek is of course right, the endless street battles of 1920's Germany didn't stop the rise of Nazis and neither will randomly punching people in the street today. In fact I would wager that more political violence will drive more people into becoming reactionaries as it increases fear and uncertainty, major driving forces of reactionary movements.

Also are the left oblivious to the danger of normalizing political violence? Don't they realize that it might be turned back on them later?

[–]Ultrashitpost 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Also are the left oblivious to the danger of normalizing political violence?

Yes

In fact, they are oblivious to a lot of things.

[–]megumin_mana 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (4子コメント)

They got a reality check that they were out of step with the national mood when Hillary "99% chance to win" Clinton lost but apparently they cant take a fucking hint.

[–]Ciax420 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hillary isn't left. What are you even talking about?

[–]Tiammatt 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Few of them even like Clinton. That's just dirty moderates like me.

[–]FuckURedditor 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

In all fairness, if moderates had done even a kind of decent job at running the country, we wouldn't be seeing the extremism we've been seeing lately across the political spectrum.

You guys seriously botched both globalization and the global recession. There's no arguing against that.

[–]Tiammatt 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You don't think it has anything to do with the democratization of communication to such an extent that people believe blogs more than real news?

I always find it funny when people pretend like the internet hasn't changed things in a literal revolutionary way and instead is some vague idiotic reason. From the Arab Spring to populism, a main contributor is people talking to each other without anyone intelligent informing them of facts. Look at CB2.

It's not experts fault lol. You morons only have yourself to blame.

[–]HillaryDidNothnWrong 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

See, it's okay when [insert wing of choice] here does it, but not when [opposing wing] does it.

[–]wisty 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Just ask yourself what aspiring Nazis would rather:

1) To listen to speeches.

2) To punch communists in the face.

Actual fascists don't care if they are "shut down" and "deplatformed" by anti-fa. They want to punch people in the face. Anti-fa is GIVING them the platform they want.

And yes, I guess there's a few wannabe nazis who just want to give speeches, but they're powerless unless they can gather a great unwashed mass of useful idiot brownshirts who just want to punch people in the face.

Not really a problem in most civilised countries, there's not enough idiots on either side to cause a big problem. But parts of the EU might have issues.

[–]FuckURedditor 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

More accurately: the fascist wants to punch people in the face and get applauded for it.

But then, apparently so do the tankies.

[–]godofdae 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (8子コメント)

Why do the socialist subs on Reddit hate /leftypol/? Is it because of the typical infighting in socialist groups?

[–]Sardonic_Deity[S] 27 ポイント28 ポイント  (2子コメント)

/leftypol/ is politically incorrect, they don't care about pronouns and they criticize refugees.

[–]BrotherToaster 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

AKA the people who are most likely to start an actual revolution

[–]zahlmanWoo! PARTY TIME 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Because they hate catgirls. Everything else follows logically from there.

[–]Mournhold 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hating catgirls

Logic

Now son I do believe you've lost me

[–]Ultrashitpost 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

They're /pol/, but commie instead of nazi. They still have the un-PC chan attitude and they also have dialogue with reactionaries. This bothers the reddit lefties, who are bothered by words like "dumb" and "stupid".

[–]AgentGotse 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

As is typical for 4chan, they say faggot a lot which triggers other commies. Also use words like "moron", "idiot", etc. which are now super ableist and absolutely unacceptable words to be used during the revolution.

[–][deleted] 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Like I give a fuck about what cocaine addicts have to say about politics

[–]lvl99SkrubRekker 26 ポイント27 ポイント  (3子コメント)

can't afford coke, shits on people that can

SOCIALIST DETECTED

For shame spooky.

[–][deleted] 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (2子コメント)

😔

[–]lvl99SkrubRekker 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Now go assault a prostitute and think about about what you have done!

[–]Sardonic_Deity[S] 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Isn't that the point of r/drama? And all the shit posts about r/anarchism?

[–]glmox 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

youre just mad because they can think faster

[–]_PM_Me_Stuff 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Spencer is a faggot so it doesnt matter, we should just do it for the lulz of spencer getting punched becoming a meme

http://replygif.net/i/557.gif

[–]IIllIIIII 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

There's loads of people agreeing with him, though. The further you go down the thread, the more there are. And the one tripfag talking shit against him ends up admitting they didn't even read the article or anything by him.

[–]Sardonic_Deity[S] 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (4子コメント)

"Sardonic_Deity should get hanged"

/Leftypol/ has reached peak autism.

[–]Prince_Kropotkin 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Why use autism jokes? You can get the point across without them. There's banning catgirls and then there's being kinda shitty to people with autism.

[–]Sardonic_Deity[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm not actually bashing people with autism, besides /leftypol/ frequently uses such insults as a means to attack /pol/.

I don't think they mind you, they loved the catgirl drama from r/socialism, it basically showed how crazy and controlling their mods are. The Zizek drama is hilarious, with one side going on about how he's a "CIA plant/shill, bourgeoise/champagne socialist, liberal concerned with his Netflix deal", and the other side defending him and pointing out that going "smashie smashie" on everyone they think is a fascist, will harm innocents and if antifascists target an evangelical because of their position on LGBT people, it might turn the majority of the working class into the far right. Plus they need a good theory before they act.

[–]Sardonic_Deity[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Plus attacking me is pointless.

[–]Ylajali_2002 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

> this is what autists want you to believe.

[–]Sardonic_Deity[S] 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Anonymous Angry Cat 01/27/17 (Fri) 11:51:38 No.1294981

if you punch your enemies, they win Absolutely unreal, these assholes are in power. You can't just turn around on oppression and state violence. Not unless you're rich like this slovenian fisted asshole.The he brings up that shithead Ghandi that liberals like him jerk themselves off to when it was other violent groups that brought real change to India. There was another time when he was arguing against communes and full democracy when he had stressed the ease of modern society and praised alienation. The guy is the definition of a bourgeois socialist, he likes to talk about changing the system but if it were ever to affect his life in any way he would oppose it vehemently. The guy just wants his coffee in the morning and his balls scratched in the afternoon, he doesn't give a fuck about the struggle of the proletariat, it's all theoretical bullshit to him. The fat cunt probably would have killed Rosa.

Anonymous 01/27/17 (Fri) 14:29:12 No.1295627 literally let the oppressors exterminate us into exhaustion and self reflection like the british did to india. Only in india the masses were being exterminated. We only have each other and libs and right tards are gonna say, "wew violence even against oppressors is bad." "Zizek confirmed for cis plant".

Hoochie Minh!!KVhI0fSZY6 01/27/17 (Fri) 12:06:43 No.1295050>>1295065

1295036 Yes, that's why the entire bourgie left rejects it What the "bougie left" does is not necessarily indicative of being wrong, in this case, Zizek is the bougie left

Hoochie Minh!!KVhI0fSZY6 01/27/17 (Fri) 12:05:53 No.1295045>>1295070 >>1295078 >>1295450

1295027 I'm not criticizing him for "criticizing me", whatever that means. I'm criticizing him by using today's politically correct standards, IE those in Capitalist power, in order to suggest what he otherwise defends in the farther past but not today, are correct. While today is not correct. Sure, largely, the riots have been, inefficient. But what exactly does Zizek hope to see? Military trained revolutionaries? Isn't going to happen. But instead of actually clarifying his contradicting position, he full on points it out himself, invoking liberal notions of peaceful protest in such a way where he seems more than he is. He isn't. He's a liberal documentary star with a Netflix contract worried about his income

Anonymous 01/27/17 (Fri) 11:53:59 No.1294991>>1295003 >>1295124 Zizek's support for the proletariat, revolution, and the Left in general is always in inverse relation to their closeness in space and time. He is unabashedly supportive of the French Revolution, since it is impossibly far away. Absolutely, yesh, I shay, every one who got guillotined desherved it, and and so on. The early 20th century revolutions that failed (like the SDAPO in Austria) he also comes out for completely. It was a terrible thing that Austrian moderates didn't join leftist paramilitaries in the streets. Then we get closer, to the early 20th Century revolutions that were effective. The USSR, he holds up Lenin as a good example all the time, but disdains the USSR, why? Because it lasted long enough to be close to him. Mao? Far enough away that Zizek sometimes mentions him approvingly, but close enough that Zizek adopts a guarded and conservative posture. Literally anything happening now? He skews from Conservative to full on reactionary. His shit about muh immigrants was reactionary garbage.

WEW

They are attacking me in their shitstorm of a thread.

[–]FreeRobotFrost 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

if you punch your enemies, they win

"Sometimes when you win, you actually lose" - Rosie Perez

[–]grungebot5000 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

look man i'm not talking about punching ANY nazi here. just richard spencer.

it may not be ethical, but it's RIGHT dammit

[–]LaneSupport 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

/leftypol/ is one person

[–]AgentGotse 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Don't really see why they are getting upset over this. This whole punching Nazis thing will only happen in their imagination anyway.

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