I am extremely upset by President Trump’s executive order on immigration. It is immoral, unconstitutional, and fundamentally un-American.

The community on Stack Overflow is made up of users from all over the world. At least 100,000 posts on Stack Overflow were written by users from the seven countries from which President Trump has banned immigration. These posts have been viewed at least 250,000,000 times. That’s a lot of people sharing their knowledge across borders.

Stack Overflow is successful because of the contributions of everyone, regardless of nationality or religion. If Stack Overflow were not a free, open, and welcoming community that ignored borders, it would never work.

It’s impossible not to see the parallel: the only way to build a successful world today is to allow the contributions of everyone. Carving up the world into us vs. them, building walls, and demonizing religions, nations, and refugees is both morally repugnant and frankly stupid and counterproductive, and it goes so much against the spirit of Stack Overflow that as a community we must speak out.

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I agree, but aside from being the example of inclusion, how can we use the Stack Overflow venue to stand against such divisive actions? – Travis J 1 hour ago
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We can firstly acknowledge the impact. Secondly the people who created the website in the first place can say that they are not going to bow to any requirements to restrict or block anything or anyone. Third, we can have appreciation for the fact that as developers we are all one family, regardless of our location. – jcolebrand 1 hour ago
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It's upsetting to think that 100k posts might not have been allowed if our internet access was controlled by government. – Derek Hunziker 1 hour ago
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Fourth, as Derek points out, we should be ready to stand up as software developers who when asked to do something immoral or unethical (such as ban an IP range that belongs to a country) that we stand up as ethical human beings and refuse to do that job. No employer or agency should be okay with asking you to deny the basic rights of other people, and as everyone on meta will agree, access to the internet is a basic right of all people. – jcolebrand 1 hour ago
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Under normal circumstances I'd say this is off-topic, but these are not normal circumstances. This is a topic for everywhere, and everyone. +1 and let's talk about what we can DO. – Dave Swersky 1 hour ago
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I've always been proud to be apart of this community, but never so much as right now. Thank you for taking a stand. – apaul34208 1 hour ago
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Are there enough members in positions with hiring authority to stand behind a pledge to hire anyone fired for refusing to carry out an immoral, unconstitutional, and fundamentally un-American order? Giving those folks a safety net when they do the right thing will make it easier for them to do make the right choices. – Jason Aller 1 hour ago
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@JasonAller I suspect so ... If anyone is in the Dallas area and gets fired for doing the right thing, they can definitely gmail this handle and I will help them find a job where they can be respected. – jcolebrand 1 hour ago
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This question does not appear to seek input and discussion from the community. I'm voting to close this as off-topic, Mr. CEO. – noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ 56 mins ago
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@DaveSwersky But the question doesn't ask the community what we can do. It just makes a statement. – noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ 47 mins ago
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This is not remotely a duplicate of the question you linked to, @RadLexus. – Bill the Lizard 44 mins ago
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@BilltheLizard: apart from the title, it is. "Is it a good idea for Stack Overflow to become politically active, especially for events that have nothing related to programming?" – Rad Lexus 43 mins ago
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@RadLexus No matter how much you will it to be, that is not being asked here. – Bill the Lizard 38 mins ago
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Meta is fairly routinely used for announcements, calls to action, etc. Using a Q&A engine for "meta" ain't perfect, but it's what we have, and that's how it works, and that's how it always worked. If you want to dispute the points made in the post here, go for it, but if all you got is "but it's not a question", please don't waste your time. – Adam Lear 29 mins ago

Tech companies helped stop SOPA through coordinated messaging to users DIRECTLY through their services.

It's the only industry that has so much leverage for so little cost (free effectively)

Let's put it to use.

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Some ideas where Stackoverflow could have some influence:

  • Figure out a way to solve the hard problem of how do people have constructive, respectful political dialog online that doesn't turn into personal attacks. Seems adjacent to Q&A with lots of community building aspects. See also Neutral Politics
  • Advertising/Campaigns to support ACLU and other resistance groups (not excluding conservative organizations, such as Evan McMullin's Stand Up Republic)
  • Provide guidance/areas where techies can contribute their skills to resisting Trump/Banon, helping their colleagues internationally, etc.
  • Pressure large multinational corps like Google to more forcefully do what they can
  • Organize an international developer strike/walk out on one day.
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Joel - we'd love to see some big companies join our cause and resist the hateful policies and ones that separate instead of unify. What can we do to encourage more to join us in that effort and what do you see as some good next steps to stopping the hate?

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Please: if someone has a guide or template or advice for communicating with industry leaders, leaders in your organization, or leaders in industries that you're invested in, please share. – FLGMwt 38 mins ago
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@FLGMwt: news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13489281 shows how to contact congresspeople in the US. It was written by a high-level staffer for a Senator and describes how the inboxing system works - and how to surface to the top of it. I've never heard this advice anywhere else. [Edit: This is for politics, not industry, but may still be helpful.] – i336_ 14 mins ago

Joel,

Thank you. Thank you for creating Stack Overflow. Thank you for teaching this much, and for taking it political. I hope all business owners will speak out loud.

I just wanted to add one more thing: it doesn't matter if there's bad mean people. There will always be evil. There will always be trolls and haters in the internet. Still, Stack Overflow community has the best out of being open and free, and border-less. We protect each other. We review each other. We edit each other. We help each other.

We (amongst many other communities and companies) have already proven that it is a good thing to be diverse.

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All my life i've been working with people from different nationalities and cultures i'm pretty sure that one of the ways to develop an enterprise, region, community, country, etc. is the inclusion.

"The only way to build a successful world today is to allow the contributions of everyone."

i can say that i'm against the people who break the rules, but in this case we are talking about to stop the diversity, contribution and the comunion between the people who live in this planet.

this day i can say that i'm so proud to be into this great community, and i hope not see some kind of wall here.

I propose organize an international developers movement to promote an inclusive society.

United we stand!

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Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. - Martin Luther King, Jr.

That includes here, at Stack Overflow.

So what does taking a stand look like?

Here, perhaps there will not be much change as Stack Overflow itself is already an open and welcoming community focused on content and not user attributes.

From my point of view we of similar belief do have the availability to enact change elsewhere though. There is only one reprieve from the recent unconstitutional acts, and the unfortunate truth is that it is a slow process.

We must commit to pressing for a lawsuit against the unconstitutional executive orders. These acts damage our community here, and challenge our moral integrity.

We must respond to this challenge. State governors or entities who can represent damages have the right to sue the President for these acts. It is up to us to convince them to do so. This is done very simply by taking only 2 minutes out of your day to contact your local representative, and calmly but persistently (daily) explaining how the specific executive order is damaging.

Luckily, there was already a lawsuit from an individual citing damages against the recent immigration ban. Bringing a lawsuit against an unconstitutional executive order is the most effective path towards making the situation right, and we are morally obligated to do so.

Each executive order has a number, here is the list of recent ones: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_federal_executive_orders_13765_and_above

Here is where you can find your local representative's phone number: http://www.house.gov/representatives/find/

Or if you would like to look by name or region, here is a list of all of them: http://www.house.gov/representatives/

You are guaranteed to speak with a real person representing the office of the representative you call by using the numbers from those lists.

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And the court in Brooklyn has issued a stay against the immediate expulsion of refugees that are being detained at airports, etc., at least. The order hasn't been published yet so I don't know exactly what its scope will be. – TylerH 1 min ago

But the root cause is Trump.

So what if Trump’s executive order on immigration is lifted. What about the wall between the US and Mexico that's going to be funded by 20% import tax which will end up being paid mostly by American consumers?

What about public health insurance? After all economy is like a pie, if you don't make it bigger, then when someone takes more, someone else will get less.

There are only two ways that you can influence another person or another country 1) reward/help or 2) punishment/war. By removing a country's involvement from world affairs, you also basically remove your influence in the world. So maybe Trump's vision is for the US to become a stand alone country.

But Trump is a business man and good business man adapt. Let's hope he can figure out what does work vs what does not work fast even if that means breaking most of his election promises.

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I don't think the root cause is Trump, he's a symptom of something larger. – DavidG 18 mins ago
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@DavidG Yeahhhhhhhhh, except this time Trump is the direct cause. – FLGMwt 17 mins ago
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The root cause is hate. Self hate, external hate, hating your parents, hating me. Trump is the mushroom that grew above the foundation of hate. Luckily this is not like my home country, there isn't an Ayatollah behind the curtains, if we fight this at the root we can fix it once and for all. – Kasra Rahjerdi 14 mins ago

To give people the chance to vote against taking a political stance:

No, Stack Overflow is not a political soapbox. Any personal point of view from its owners, from its shareholders, or -- indeed -- from users and members of the community at large, is just that: personal.

If you want to express the views of the CEOs of Stack Exchange: go ahead and use your blog for that. But keep Stack Overflow and Stack Overflow Meta about "detailed answers to every question about programming [...] This site is all about getting answers. It's not a discussion forum. There's no chit-chat." (from the [tour])

I do not comment, answer, upvote or downvote on the basis of someone's political views.

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Meta is about the community, what the community wants to be, the challenges we face, and the solutions to those things. It has never been for programming questions. – Nick Craver 42 mins ago
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@NickCraver: but Meta is to discuss Stack Overflow, not Meta.WorldProblemsAndPoliticalViews.se. – Rad Lexus 41 mins ago
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I respectfully disagree. Exceptionally, I'll welcome a message to permeate a medium I didn't expect it to appear in (or sign up for). This event is exceptional. The occurrence of response is appropriately exceptional. – FLGMwt 40 mins ago
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@RadLexus: And yet, SO was used as a soap box due to SOPA. So it is not without precedent. Extraordinary actions by politicians sometimes demand extraordinary responses. – Nicol Bolas 39 mins ago
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@Rad if you think this doesn't affect the Stack Overflow community (and really: every international community)...we have a very different view of the world. You cannot have a healthy community if people do not feel welcome. The happenings outside Stack Overflow are impacting the world and us right now in profound(ly negative) ways. This matters. – Nick Craver 38 mins ago
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Personal opinion is no longer personal when it affects others. There is a moral obligation to act, and we must do so as a community to stand against what we as rational people know is wrong. This isn't political. This is about creating a better inclusive world. – bjb568 36 mins ago
    
@bjb568: as I have received lots of programming help from SO, I feel I have a moral obligation to help others. I do so through this same medium, regardless of the political stance of whom I help. I -- and you -- may have helped a Trump voter. Would you have not done so if you knew? – Rad Lexus 32 mins ago
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I'm curious to know what "vote for the opposite view" means.. are you suggesting SO should ban users from these countries? Thankfully, with people like Joel in charge, that won't happen. – Derek Hunziker 25 mins ago
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@RadLexus "I feel I have a moral obligation to help others." Then you should not be trying to shut down this conversation. – approxiblue 25 mins ago
    
@DerekHunziker: hah! a useful comment. You are right, that is absolutely not what I meant to impart. I adjusted that sentence -- thank you. – Rad Lexus 22 mins ago
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@approxiblue: but I do help others (with their programming questions). – Rad Lexus 21 mins ago
    
@FLGMwt: "... This event is exceptional." In the wake of a few other (mostly tragic) events with a potential worldwide impact, others have claimed that event was also exceptional, and merited attention, acknowledgement, and/or action from the SO community. Those proposals were generally shot down. – Rad Lexus 15 mins ago
    
@RadLexus well golly, then, this must be a big deal. – FLGMwt 14 mins ago
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@RadLexus Sorry for the knee-jerk response. Rather than deleting my reply, I'll add context. In my opinion, this event warrants response in because it is 1 Timely. Humans are affected by this right now MIT students go on vacation and can't get back. Response should be timely 2 Impactful. When the global representative of a superpower makes a statement about roughly a fifth of the worlds population (let's be honest, this is about Muslims), it needs to be known that people are not okay about this 3 Fixable. This flies enough in the face of law that people can react. stay, etc – FLGMwt 10 mins ago
    
@FLGMwt: so would you imply this was not such a big deal after all? To name just a single one of those other proposals I referred to. – Rad Lexus 8 mins ago

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