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[–]GaiaNyxGrand Admiral 160 ポイント161 ポイント  (50子コメント)

Concept artists use a lot of images from various other space related stuffs, be it games or NASA images, to create concept images.

[–]ElleRisalo 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (45子コメント)

So...shouldn't they also check sources?

[–]xx-shalo-xx 258 ポイント259 ポイント  (17子コメント)

Concept arts purpose is not to be commercially sold but to be used as a guiding image. Honestly I think its 'drama' for nothing

[–]roaming111 75 ポイント76 ポイント  (9子コメント)

That is what I said over in the eve sub reddit. This isn't that scandalous. This is what concept art is. They pull from large amounts of sources and use custom content to construct an ideal design for their project. Whether it be a game, movie, or any other project. Just releasing an image that is made up of several images isn't illegal as far as I know. If you were to include it in the final project or sell it afterwards that would be where things would get bad. Worst they would do is have them take it down.

[–]Draconomial 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (6子コメント)

There would only be grounds for a lawsuit if CCP could claim damages. They can't, so it's fair use.

[–]rakadur 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (3子コメント)

If they used it for PR or cover art then sure, that would be about the only way

[–]chrisricoExplorer 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

They can't, so it's fair use.

That's not what fair use means. Fair use is a defense against some copyright infringement claims, even when there can be damages claimed.

[–]katimo 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

the fact that damages aren't provable doesn't make something fair use

[–]Agent_MothmanHigh Admiral 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (24子コメント)

The creator is a freelance artist. It's possible he was hired by both companies.

[–]Glockshna 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (11子コメント)

That is an actual in game asset that CCP Contracted a third party VFX company to render (Along with many other nebulas) as backdrop for the various systems in the game. It's not concept art.

Preemptive Edit: I'm not saying it's bad they used it or anything though.

[–]Dewm 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

HOW DARE YOU SAY ITS BAD THEY USED IT!

[–]prjindigo 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (9子コメント)

nobody renders nebula, you can make them with spray paint and a diaper

[–]katherinesilens 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (4子コメント)

The creators of EVE did, to give their game a more realistic geometry to it. Every system's skybox is supposed to accurately reflect its location in a galactic neighborhood, and that includes having accurately sized and parallaxed nebulae. The stars also represent accurate alignments to other solar systems; if you ask it to trace your navigational route in space it'll show up as a real star-to-star trace in the sky. This means that every system has a unique sky, and every region has its own cluster of nebulae to deal with.

Apparently they also have multiple dimensions (?), New Eden (the main map) and Anoikis (the wormhole dimension) to deal with too.

So it's not surprising they hired someone to do it.

[–]Pengothing 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Not really dimensions. There's arguments that Anoikis is New Eden in the future, or just an another galaxy some distance away. Or systems that don't have stargates built that exist between New Eden systems (although this was a theory more because the locations were mapped using distances to Player Owned Structures, which was not intended to be done.)

[–]NiatialeHigh Admiral 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The EVE Nebula are renders. These are the guys that made them. By chance, my comp teacher was actually on that project.

[–]st_PaulusColonel 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

nobody renders nebula

Not really.

you can make them with spray paint and a diaper

I understand what you're trying to say, but still. Best looking results can be obtained with regular cloud photos with shifted channels.

[–]prjindigo 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

or actual pictures of real nebulae that are then reduced in pallet

[–]ElleRisalo 27 ポイント28 ポイント  (10子コメント)

It's not concept art in EVE...it's actual in game art...you know from an actual game you can play.

[–]MrHerpDerp 33 ポイント34 ポイント  (0子コメント)

an actual game you can play

heresy

[–]mweahter 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Do they own the copyright, or was it licensed to them?

[–]katherinesilens 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes, I believe CCP has ownership of that asset. They generally don't act on that kind of thing unless the other person is making profit off of it, though.

That said, it's responsible to at least check the source. A NASA nebula would work just as well, and probably look cooler.

[–]Auss_man 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Aye, actual game art used to promote another game doesn't seem right.

[–]docmuppetScout 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (2子コメント)

an actual game spreadsheet you can play actually work on.

FTFY.

[–]ElleRisalo 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

And until office adds explosions it will remain the best spreadsheet around.

[–]Hornsj2 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yep, I can play EVE just by logging in, changing a few settings then logging out. I've done it several times. I could be playing eve right now while I'm typing this. I wonder what my XXXX skill is at now... ;)

[–]ElleRisalo 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Log in more than once a year? Unlimited skill training...pack that shit full of 30 day trains and. check back on Jan 2.

[–]st_PaulusColonel 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

So...shouldn't they also check sources?

Usually - they should. But it's not always possible to determine whether or not this particular gas cloud was captured by HST (or any other instrument) at a glimpse. Especially if you aren't planning to sell it anyway.

His style looks familiar BTW. We have seen this guy's artworks recently. Can't remember exact one though.

[–]DDE93 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

C'mon, if the BBC can use the other UNSC emblem and the CNN can use Fallout to illustrate Russian Hackers, what do you expect of people who just need a random nebula?

[–]danivusVice Admiral 52 ポイント53 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Ok?

Guy probably googled 'nebula' and found an image he liked.

[–]-LietKynes 40 ポイント41 ポイント  (16子コメント)

Guys it's just concept art... if this ends up in the final game or the cover art then sure that's not cool.

But this is just a picture put together to be used as a reference. They aren't making money off it.

[–]Unbelieveableman_xBounty Hunter 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Furthermore, its not a concept of nebulas etc we will see in the game. The concept picture was made to show the surface of a planet and a station there. Who cares what skybox is in the background? Why is this such a big deal?

[–]siccoblue 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Because it was posted on the eve sub and now they're all piling in here because OP said he was gonna post it in here

[–]lowrads 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

If it's used in promotions, then it's advertising. Advertising may be chalked as an expense, but the purpose of it isn't to lose money.

[–]Nyalnara 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

And yes, publicly releasing concept art is promotion.

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    [–]Jumbifyayy[M] 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Please use .np links when linking to other subreddits in the future, like so:

    https://np.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/5qkci4/eve_online_nebula_used_in_star_citizen_concept_art/

    [–]bedvednew user/low karma 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Will do, didn't know about that np. thing and just read about the difference. Should I edit and change the link to that?

    [–]donthugmeimlurking 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (52子コメント)

    As I said in the other thread, let's not start a pissing war with them over something this petty. EVE players can get pretty nasty when provoked and as long as they keep their little anti-SC cirlcejerk on their subreddit who cares?

    Don't go over there just to piss people off or stir up trouble.

    [–]ShadowPhynix 56 ポイント57 ポイント  (15子コメント)

    Lol, you'll find most Eve players are looking forward to SC.

    The experience is going to be very different given SC was built around a flight sim and putting that a the world, whilst Eve built a world and put ship controls into it. It's a very different design philosophy, and I can't wait to see how it plays out.

    I think nearly every major group in Eve will have a presence in SC for at least a bit when it comes out - I might be elitest about Eve being superior of other games (in my opinion of course), but holy shit it's a really nice looking space game. Why wouldn't I be excited?

    [–]killtheraven 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (10子コメント)

    Yeah, I'm another long term Eve player and I'm all for giving SC a fair shake on release. I doubt it'll hold my interest for anywhere near as long (no game has), but any fan of space games would have to be mental not to want to at least have a little try. Whether or not the finished game turns out to be particularly compelling there's still some seriously impressive tech on display here, which should be enough to entertain me for at least a while.

    Worst case scenario if the game is shit: I spend a few quid to watch some stupendously pretty explosions and get an advance look at the tech we'll be seeing in other games over the next few years / decade. Seems fair enough.

    The guys spending thousands on imaginary spaceships that don't exist yet are kinda nuts though :P

    [–]The-JuicemanCompletionist 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (8子コメント)

    22K here. Ehh it's disposable income, I am a doctor who wants to play a space doctor. I will check in at the funny farm once I pass 30K.

    [–]killtheraven 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    I just can't see how I (or anyone else really) can get 22k (assuming usd?) worth of enjoyment from one game. I mean, I could kinda understand it for something like a Kickstarter of a game I really wanted to see made that would otherwise fail. Other than that I'd definitely want some kind of financial return on investment.

    Are losses going to be permanent in SC like they are in Eve? If so, how do you imagine you'd react if you got blown up minutes after release?

    How pissed off would you be if the company somehow went bust, the game wasn't released for some reason, or turned out to have a few glaring design flaws that make it subjectively unfun for you?

    If I understand correctly, all these ships will be obtainable ingame (please correct me if I'm wrong here). Is the reason for your purchases to gain an ingame advantage? How would you feel if the game was balanced in such a way that a ship you've paid a few grand for can be bought with an hour or two of grinding? For that matter, how would you feel if that same ship would require literal years of grinding? Would it seem like you've cheated yourself out of some of the experience of progression, or even bought an unfair advantage that those less wealthy IRL can't really hope to compete with? How could it be balanced so that those dishing out huge sums of cash and those unable to do so are both satisfied?

    All that said, it isn't my place to tell someone else how to spend their own money, and I wouldn't dream of doing so.

    Sorry for the barrage of questions, I'm genuinely just trying to understand actions that seem a bit bizarre to me and get more of a feel for whether these potential issues have been addressed at all.

    [–]oooholywarriorBounty Hunter 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Not The-Juiceman, but I'll do my best to explain...

    First - Star Citizen started as a Kickstarter, and at this point the 22,000 is funding the development of the game, just as it would have in the initial funding campaign, but with a larger window. People looking for a financial return on investment of that amount of money would be better served putting that same amount of money into stocks in an established company. They don't, because they don't want shares in a company, they want the game of their dreams to be developed, and developed with the resources equivalent to one of those established companies. If he had put 22,000 into EA over the same time period, for example, assuming he'd put the full amount into it on Day 1, that 22K would be worth 140K (turns out EA was out a five year low at that exact moment). But that's the problem, EA is in the business of making money for shareholders, rather than making games for players. Juiceman's 22,000 dollars would have a financial return, yes, but he would have been funding NHL 2014, rather than a game he'd want to play.

    Losses are not permanent, not exactly. At 22,000 dollars I'm going to assume Juiceman has lifetime insurance (LTI) on most, if not all, of his ships. This guarantees that after launch, if any of his ships are destroyed and his player is killed, his beneficiary (respawn) will receive the ship - after a time interval, in order to discourage players from blowing up their ships to get a fresh one and avoid repair fees. Insurance can also be earned in game, for folks who have more time than money.

    There is risk involved with the investment sure. At this point, I think its safe to assume the company won't go bust, not with as many idiots like me around as there are, but the game could certainly not live up to our wild expectations. But the same could be said of the EA investment; roll back the clock five years, and Juiceman's hypothetical 22,000 investment, would cash out at 5,400 over the same duration.

    As for the grinding argument or pay to win, this one has been done to death, and my response may be clumsy, but... its important to note that no matter what ship you own, you can only be in one place at any given time, so the most ships you can manage at once is one. That means the Javelin is currently the highest level content you can start with, which will set players back 17,500 (15,000 for the Completionist pack to gain the ability to buy the Javelin for 2500). But to fly the Javelin you need people; lots of people or NPC's just to operate it, and those NPC's will have to be paid, so even if you start with one, you'd have to play at a very high level for a significant period of time just to get your ship from one point of the universe to the other, which a player in an Aurora would manage for a $45 investment. Granted, you'd be able to take on almost every individual you might come across, but eventually a Javelin is going to get enough negative attention, that (unless properly staffed, maintained, and defended) the player will lose a fight, and some nefarious org will be able to take it for themselves, and Juiceman will have to wait for his replacement Javelin to be delivered while sitting in his 890 Jump, I'm sure.

    I have an Endeavor, and I don't feel like the Juiceman will have an unfair advantage over me, despite putting so much more money into the game. Coincidentally, I too plan on playing a space doctor, so we'll likely be running the game in similar ways. Nor do I feel we'll have an unfair advantage over players in starting ships. He and I will both need to make sure our space hospitals are properly defended. We'll need to buy supplies, hire competent staff, and locate sites which are dangerous enough to produce demand for our services, but not so dangerous we lose our ships immediately. Starting with the Endeavor doesn't mean we'll be "winning" the space doctor game. We'll still be individuals, and we'll still need other players to perform search and rescue, emergency medical transport, medicine deliveries, and those players - through that need - will get to start their experience with the Hope Class Endeavors we paid for. Lord knows, we'll both need someone to drive.

    If people are able to earn enough to get a Javelin in an hour, well... then the second hour of Star Citizen will be very interesting. If it takes years to get the Javelin, and Juiceman is disappointed, then he'll be able to set down his biggest toy and play the game with the Aurora, which also comes with the Completionist pack. Its important to realize that the ships are not the entirety of the game, they are the characters that you play the game with. There are still things to find, equipment to earn, locations to explore, enemies to fight, players to team up with, and stories to listen to and forge yourself.

    I'm only 800 in, and most of that is in my Endeavor. The rest is a Cutlass, some starter packs for family, and my monthly subscription. Its not 22,000 but that's still a lot of money to a lot of people. There are certainly more valuable or more prudent things I could have spent it on, but I want Star Citizen to happen. I like the direction of the game so far, and I trust Chris Roberts' track record. I want to encourage the industry to pursue this level of transparency in other projects, and I feel like my money is going to that cause.

    I hope this might have cleared things up.

    [–]The-JuicemanCompletionist 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    :p Thank me later. Your link is hilarious. Lets play space doctors together!

    [–]Anu_Clearskynew user/low karma 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Seems I am one of the nuts :-) I always believe it is important to dare to dream, especially for an idealized space sim game.

    [–]ConkerBirdyCommander 33 ポイント34 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Most EVE players come from space sim backgrounds such as X3, Freelancer, Wing Commander and all that. To say EVE players HATE SC is pretty much incorrect.

    I personally think EVE will be around for another 10 years if CCP doesnt kill the game (which theyve almost had quite a few times).

    [–]VOADFR 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I am one of those with the described background. I tested EVE a few years ago and again last month since they switched to F2P. Well both times I stopped. It is not for me. But I am glad that EVE do have is community. Space games, more of them and one for each gameplay type. This is perfectly fine.

    [–]swusn83 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Most EVE players come from space sim backgrounds such as X3, Freelancer, Wing Commander and all that. To say EVE players HATE SC is pretty much incorrect.

    Can confirm. I played eve for several years and got into gaming playing Wing Commander. I'm not active in EVE anymore but am super excited for Wing Commander.

    EVE players can get pretty nasty when provoked and as long as they keep their little anti-SC cirlcejerk on their subreddit who cares?

    There are loud anti "everything that's not this game" minorities in every community. Generalizing this way does everyone a disservice.

    [–]ConkerBirdyCommander 35 ポイント36 ポイント  (31子コメント)

    EVE players can get pretty nasty and as long as they keep their little anti-SC cirlcejerk on their subreddit

    The irony is that EVE Online players are fairly civil while I see the "GRRR EVE!" over here quite a lot.

    [–]TheChemistAstronautDoctor 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (6子コメント)

    That is more true, IMO. I've played both games actively over more than a year, and I've definitely seen more mindless bashing of the other side here, than on the eve subreddit. This isn't to say that the eve subreddit is pure and an angelic dove, hell no, but I don't see anywhere near the same level of bashing the other side on the eve SR. Previously (A few (7-10) months ago) there was a post here, and when people began saying things which were blatantly wrong about eve (Ie. Eve doesn't have production (It does, and a rather detailed system at that), or exploration (It does), or "illegal" drugs (It does) and when I attempted to correct them on it via direct links to the eve forums on each and every topic those people claimed didn't exist, I got downvoted into oblivion. When I did the same (Defended star citizen) on the /r/eve subreddit, I got upvotes instead.

    To add, both communities are rather toxic towards each other.

    [–]00000000011 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I think its more of a case of "we don't think of them at all" on the /r/eve side. We have way more interesting drama to worry about day to day. The occasionally zinger shot at this SC is just a random zinger.

    [–]rupturefunk 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Seconding this, I think this is the first time I've ever seen SC even mentioned on r/eve.

    We have more of our own drama than we can physically post about.

    [–]GodOfDumbnessExplorer 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (20子コメント)

    Both sides have a vocal minority.

    [–]ConkerBirdyCommander 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (19子コメント)

    Yeah, but the SC side is more noticeable, and im a player of both communities.

    [–]SuperObviousShill 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (8子コメント)

    There are a lot more people interested in SC than in Eve, so that probably contributes to it.

    [–]coffeeismyfamilyGrand Admiral 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (4子コメント)

    I think that's the worst part about our communit.

    The way one guy in another sub will comment on a valid thread like that, be like "fuk SC $15k carrier ship BS jek off", then fetid black pus starts oozing through the cracks in the wall over there before reforming into the SC Advance Pitchfork Battalion.

    We're super insular, we're believer's in a controversial project, and we're mostly cool, but this "DEFEND SUPREME LEADER" type deal is always embarrassing.

    [–]Soinklinednew user/low karma 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Money clouds judgment. SC backers get defensive because they don't have a game yet but they know the tech being put into it will dwarf most other games not just in assets or story, but in unique fun to play content. Eve players get defensive because legit they have a great game worth defending and when something great could thin the community it threatens its greatness.

    We're just monkeys with dinosaure brains typing on keyboards. We gotta cut us some slack.

    [–]ThEggHelper 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    We can just admit it, there are childish people on both subreddits that make both communities look bad. Having the most experience here, I can say that our community has a large amount. There are quite a few EvE players who play or are looking forward to SC.

    [–]PieFlinger 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    YOU WON'T DENY ME MY PISSING WAR DAMMIT

    [–]bedvednew user/low karma 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    You are absolutely right, I did not mean to provoke, thought about linking the source.

    [–]zehamberglar 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I'm from /r/eve and up until today, I've seen very little anti-SC circlejerk. In fact I've seen many threads designed SC players who come to Eve and what to expect.

    [–]FPSKiwiiCompletionist 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Looks cool

    [–]xx-shalo-xx 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Yeah i thought so too, nice green color.

    (Im imaging us sitting in the middle of a battlefield sipping tea)

    [–]HavelokExplorer 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    They probably just searched "Nebula" on google and used one they liked. Not a big deal.

    [–]Angry_PacifistGolden Ticket 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    you can use anything for concept art , mockups are just that, mockups.

    [–]mrbloodsongHigh Admiral 47 ポイント48 ポイント  (16子コメント)

    Uh...who cares?

    [–]ConkerBirdyCommander 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (15子コメント)

    The SC community likes to find drama in every little thing they see, ESPECIALLY if its relating to EVE Online.

    [–]TheRealStardragonHigh Admiral 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Some people like to find drama

    Fixed it.

    There are also people, on both sides, that keep trying to construct some sort of "natural conflict" between two games. You'll observe the same with SC vs. Elite and other products. Which is outright stupid.

    [–]Citizen404Civilian 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Can confirm. Just here for the drama and popcorn sundays.

    [–]TheRealStardragonHigh Admiral 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Just that it's not funny, entertaining or even interesting in any way. It is just... stupid.

    [–]xx-shalo-xx 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    This was posted there first, if this is considered drama, then we'll be fine

    [–]00000000011 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    It is considered something to tackle and shoot at. The ~actual drama~ goes much much deeper

    [–]MetaParsernormal user/average karma 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (4子コメント)

    You got it backward, you'd have to be an EVE or an Ex-EVE player to really care... That's also the game that is/was played by the most toxic elements of SC community.

    [–]ConkerBirdyCommander 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    I dont quite get what you mean, Im an active EVE player and i personally think the SC community and i think a lot of the community is quite toxic.

    [–]Dewm -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (4子コメント)

    Or we like our $140,000,000.00 game to have original art, even in the concept phase.

    [–]ConkerBirdyCommander 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    It was expalained in the EVE subreddit thread (and was explained previously during the "Strike Vector fiasco"), that its a photobash, a normal concepting style in the games industry, however these are meant to stay internal instead of being shown publicly.

    [–]EndyoStreamer 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Why is this even a post? Who cares? I didn't even see this concept art before and even if I did I would have never once looked at the nebula because it's not even the focal point of the image. It's not an asset in the game, it's not a piece of marketing material, it's a CONCEPT that was drawn for designer inspiration. Why does this even have upvotes?

    [–]Swesteel 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Because drama? Goons? People who read headlines and upvote without know wtf they are upvoting?

    [–]DoomaegerHigh Admiral 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Literally no one, except concern trolls, cares.

    [–]arenagladnew user/low karma 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    The people here can say what they want, but the thread on r/eve is actually hilarious. Tons of jokes about eve and sc. Everybody should check it out

    [–]kron98_Commander 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I wish people knew what "concept art" is...

    [–]HarackPhotonew user/low karma 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (10子コメント)

    Are you certain eve owns that work, it's possible they both sourced it from something paid or free licensed.

    Looks bad for copyright though.

    [–]KevinSPRINT[S] 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    That is more then just some image, that is in game as well. If you travel to the B-R5RB system you can see it.

    [–]Ohh_Yeah 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    If you travel to the B-R5RB system you can see it.

    You can even see it when you're pretty far from Immensea, as that's how nebulae work in EVE. They grow/shrink depending on whether you're in that region or looking at it from far away.

    [–]JohnnySkynets 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I used tineye and couldn't find it anywhere that wasn't EVE related but that my first thought as well.

    [–]arsonallExplorer 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    cosmicspark on deviant art

    [–]MrHerpDerp 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Are you certain eve owns that work, it's possible they both sourced it from something paid or free licensed.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/5qkn6m/star_citizen_used_eve_online_nebula/dd01b0q/

    [–]InSOmnlaCHigh Admiral 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (15子コメント)

    Who cares? This is concept art, not marketing. Concept art is functional work meant to convey the vision of the development head to the teams that need to put it in game.

    [–]buttreynolds 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (14子コメント)

    It is marketing. It was sent out to their weekly mailing list

    [–]InSOmnlaCHigh Admiral 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (13子コメント)

    You mean the weekly mailing lists which give an inside look at development videos, images, and information?

    Yeah, that's not marketing. If they had used this on an advertisement, it would be a different story.

    [–]buttreynolds 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (11子コメント)

    Yes. Those are advertisements. Companies reminding you about their game via email is an advertisement. Just because you are interested in the content does not make it not an advertisement.

    [–]mckettenSpace-Viking 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (9子コメント)

    Advertisements sent to people who already paid...damn, CIG's marketing department is really fucking up here.

    [–]delfinom 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I got it, and I didn't pay, ever.

    [–]buttreynolds 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Don't worry there is a ship sale soon.

    [–]jeanleaner 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (4子コメント)

    Yeah, I'm sure they definitely don't sell multiple times to the same person. You're an idiot, its marketing.

    [–]InertiamanSCHigh Admiral 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    My digital marketing manager has some explaining to do.

    [–]crazyprsnCivilian 31 ポイント32 ポイント  (19子コメント)

    Guys guys. They're saying we're toxic. EVE playerbase is saying we're toxic.

    oh no, how awful.

    [–]Kibitt 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (6子コメント)

    ctrl+f ended with one result for 'toxic', and a playful comment chain after the initial salt. I think people are focusing too much on the people they don't like, and missing out on the good.

    [–]xx-shalo-xx 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I challenged one to a one vs one fight at a cheeky nandos of his choosing, and now they seem to have accepted me as one of their own, curious.

    [–]Kibitt 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    In EVE, arranging a fight is known as 'content'. They love it.

    [–]Gryphon0468Helper 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Go have a look now.

    [–]Kibitt 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Looks much better than what it used to be. It went full circle with mockery of the anger (reporting it as if it were EVE's version of The Scope news network) and a moderator is angry about people from SC/NMS reporting a lot.

    [–]tell32 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (9子コメント)

    As a member of both, they're both pretty toxic

    [–]crazyprsnCivilian 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (8子コメント)

    As a gamer of everything I can get my hands on, every community we establish is toxic. Either that, or there's a bunch of whiny assholes out there who don't know the true meaning of a toxic community.

    I'd like to see a scale of gaming community toxicity... I wonder what it would look like? I'll take a shot.

    1: least toxic to 10: most toxic

    1 - Stardew Valley

    2 - Farming Simulator 2017

    3

    4

    5 - World of Warcraft?

    6

    7 - Star Citizen?

    8

    9

    10 - DayZ

    edit: these are just based off their subreddits. You go anywhere, and you can find screaming little emo bastards about anything.

    [–]SWTORBattlefrontNerdFreelancer 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    15 - LoL

    [–]Mrpfffff 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    That's Riot's fault.

    They make a teamwork game involving 5 people with equal importance in roles and no sense of who leads or makes team ping calls.

    If any single person doesn't like your ping in League they will stop their champ and literally watch your ass run in alone or with the other few who follow pings and say things like "Im not gonna die with you"....especially when all you needed was one ability's worth of damage to defeat the enemy.

    This one is most common though:

    "GROUP WITH US TANK, PLEASE!!" "no i'm split pushing." /team gets wiped mid lane from a grp of 5 tower diving and... "you idiots don't know how to sit under tower"

    [–]Ohh_Yeah 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Nah, the hidden gem of 10 toxicity is the SWG community. Constantly fighting over which private server is the best, hacking and DDoSing servers they don't like, and doxing people. The original SWGEmu (pre-cu) community is great though. It's just the people playing on servers that have the game as it was the day it closed that can be bad.

    /r/swg is actually terrible

    [–]drizzt_xHelper 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    LOLS at Stardew Valley. Never been there, but probably true. Nastiest argument ever is probably related to the right season to grow squash or something. ;)

    [–]SuperShake66652 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Being a game based on a similar blueprint to Harvest Moon, it's optimal farm layouts and best waifu/husbando.

    [–]amapatzer 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Is the stardew valley community the most toxic?

    I gifted that game to my wife..

    Edit: misread the order is the other way around... phew

    [–]Isogen_Rear Admiral 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    You forgot Rust.

    [–]RobCoxxyBounty Hunter 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Tab into reddit while waiting for new players to fall into your gatecamping bubble bullshit

    "/r/starcitizen are a bunch of dicks"

    [–]karlhungusjr 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    and in a day or two, this will all be forgotten.

    [–]EVOXSNESnew user/low karma 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I wouldn't worry about it.

    [–]cabbagehead112 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (5子コメント)

    Who cares.

    [–]SR-RageCommander 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Reddit art detectives of course.

    [–]MrHerpDerp 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Probably the artist, if CIG needed but didn't have some kind of permission/right to use this.

    [–]cabbagehead112 27 ポイント28 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Nope. It's photobashing with concept art no one cares but the internet names on reddit.

    [–]tdogg8Mercenary 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    It's concept art, it's not like this is going to be in the game.

    [–]arsonallExplorer 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (38子コメント)

    orignal artist deviant art page

    EDIT: before this get too big, the original line should have had a questionmark at the end.

    I have no idea if Tim Barton is the original artist, but he's one of the more popular nebula concept artists I had heard about previously.

    [–]Dr_Gats 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    How did you connect the two? I don't see that image in the artist's gallery. Not doubting you, the styles look beyond similar, but would be nice to see it listed, maybe with a description about who it was commissioned for, etc. You know, for the lulz.

    edit: after reviewing subsequent links below, pretty sure this isn't the original artist. You can't find the asset anywhere on that artist's page. And as MrHerpDerp showed us easily below (https://i.ytimg.com/vi/3Js3vXltPv4/maxresdefault.jpg), this nebula can actually be seen IN GAME in Eve. Artists commissioning their art for multiple companies for concepts? Sure. Allowing an in game asset to be used in other games though? Highly doubtful. As painful as it may be, pretty sure the OP is correct here.

    [–]rederic 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Considering this is that artist's description from one of his works

    The idea behind this piece was to create a space background you might see in a video game like Eve Online.

    I'm going to guess he didn't do work for EVE Online. Most people don't have "the idea" to create something "like" their own style.

    https://www.artstation.com/artwork/ePR4G

    [–]MrHerpDerp 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/5qjbcf/crusader_moon_concept_cellin/dczyv95/

    EVE's nebula were created/generated by a contractor for CCP Games

    a company called Framestore did the nebula update

    [–]xevianCommander 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Not to mention there are many PS tutorials for example that use similar artistic styles.

    [–]giuseppe443 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    i couldnt find one that matches, got a link?

    [–]Dr_Gats 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    the original line should have had a questionmark at the end.

    For clarity, you know you can put a question mark in there with an edit, yes?

    [–]arsonallExplorer 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I don't like modifying something unless it's grammar/spell check corrections. I let it stand as is.

    [–]xx-shalo-xx -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (24子コメント)

    So a case of just two companies using someone else art in their concept art? Eh, nothing nefarious in my opinion.

    [–]arsonallExplorer 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    artists use stock photos and others images all the time in concepts.

    its why its called a concept. your showing the clients what you hope to have visually, not specifically.

    it's totally par for the course. you can find these things every day, if you really had a hard on for a game, you could find many concept images that use re-purposed images from other artists.

    [–]xx-shalo-xx 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Yeah Im aware of this happening, just recently Uncharted 4 used a concept art from Assassins creed black flag for a ingame picture

    Though putting it in-game and then selling it might make it more morally wrong (but lets be honest its just a small decorative piece with no nefarious intent), but A concept art should be fine since it serves as a draft

    [–]Mr_Streakednew user/low karma 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (15子コメント)

    Not really - it's in-game art in eve rather than concept art.

    [–]UnderdogSMO 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    why are people surprised that concept artist pull assets from other things O_o it happens all the damn time

    [–]PewPew95 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (19子コメント)

    Oh yeah.. if you're active in the eve subreddit you'll have noticed.. fuck me sideways.

    I suddenly understand why people think the eve community is toxic..

    Edit op is also hoping for downvotes so he can somehow connect that to the community again..

    [–]SamLikesJamCombat Medic 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (9子コメント)

    Yeah, about everyone is asking to sue, then SC is a scam and so on.

    And I thought subreddits were the better part of game communities, not the worst.

    [–]00000000011 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    No one actually gives a shit dude. Its just trash talk. If eve players actually gave a shit, it would be a hell of a lot more than sperging in comments TRUST AND BELIEVE.

    [–]metamfColonel 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    comments like "SC is the most TOXIC fanbase ever! Every negative opinion will be downvoted!! " always gets me.

    Have you seen all time top posts by any chance? Plenty of criticism there

    [–]TheChemistAstronautDoctor 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    "SC is the most TOXIC fanbase ever! Every negative opinion will be downvoted!! "

    Not completely true on the downvotes part....

    I tried to correct some members of this community on EVE features (They were claiming some don't exist, such as production or exploration) by linking to the wiki on that feature, and got downvoted into oblivion.

    To add, both communities are damn toxic.

    [–]setdeath 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    As in every community ever, toxics are louder than normals

    [–]ConkerBirdyCommander 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (4子コメント)

    I suddenly understand why people think the eve community is toxic..

    Imho, i find the EVE fanbase pretty damn mature and civil while I find the SC fanbase toxic but in a different way (mostly the constant hate on EVE Online, other space sims, and anyone who does "PVP").

    [–]tdogg8Mercenary 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    I've only ever seen people say we should respect all space sim games here. May be different on the forums but game forums are always a shithole.

    [–]SaintJabberwockyMercenary 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Quick guess here Eve uses a real nebula as the base for the art of one of their nebula because they want it to look real. Star Citizen is in our galaxy so uses the nebula that exists you know... in our galaxy. Yeah.. not seeing the issue. Do you expect only one game to have the Andromeda galaxy in it as well? Cause the new Mass Effect is going to upset you.

    [–]Nyalnara 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Quick guess here Eve uses a real nebula as the base for the art of one of their nebula because they want it to look real.

    Actually they commissioned a studio to make lots of 3d rendering of lots of nebulae to use those as a base for all Eve regions. None of those nebulae are real, they have all been specifically made to ensure they give a distinct look to different regions of the game.

    Star Citizen is in our galaxy so uses the nebula that exists you know... in our galaxy.

    Eve lore specifically tell at its' very beginning that Eve action take place in a galaxy far, far away.

    Yeah.. not seeing the issue.

    Cause you're purposely trying to not see it. Which is working fine.

    Do you expect only one game to have the Andromeda galaxy in it as well? Cause the new Mass Effect is going to upset you.

    Are we Eve players complaining about RSI using a real nebula to make concept art? No, we're complaining about RSI stealing content specifically made for another game to promote their own (yes, released CA is called content promotion). (And no, the guy doing the concept art did not took the first nebula from google, it is ranked somewhere around 3000 position and there are lots of really good looking Hubble nebula which are top ranks and free of rights to use.)

    [–]PieFlinger 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Right on schedule. Awaiting the thread from /r/subredditdrama to complete the trifecta.

    Edit: obligatory "CYNO UP ECKS DEE"

    [–]acemonster07Scout 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Oh look, it's MilesK from the SA forums. How you doin' goonie? Please step off with this bs.

    [–]MacDegger 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I'd first check out NASA and Hubble images of nebulae ... wouldn't surprise me if both parties based it on an actual image of a nebula.

    [–]Meowstopher 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (12子コメント)

    Maybe a bad call from a PR standpoint, but it's quite possible that the concept artist is simply a fan of Eve and put it in because he thought it was cool.

    [–]ErrorDetected 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (11子コメント)

    Let's not get in the business of excusing this if it was indeed lifted.

    If it was licensed for such use, it would be excusable, but otherwise it's really bad form. We decry it when we see Star Citizen spaceships used for mobile ads for their space games; we should decry it when CIG does it for the promotion of their own.

    [–]AdmiralCrackbarColonel 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (4子コメント)

    It's fucking concept art. Get a grip, seriously. they aren't using the nebula in the game so I seriously doubt if there is anything CCP can do legally anyway. Even if there was any 'damages' are likely to be so minimal as to not even be worth it.

    [–]SkormfuseData Runner 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (6子コメント)

    Stock images get used all the time in concept art to express a idea cheaply that is why concept art exists.

    artists try their best to research if the images used are free use or come from a library they have purchased or have the license for.

    If you believe the art is owned by another company inform CIG some times slip ups happen.

    but looking that their is a link in here to the owners deviant art I gather it was art both companies came to use that has no license involved or if it does it was done none exclusively.

    [–]KevinSPRINT[S] 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (5子コメント)

    [–]SkormfuseData Runner 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    but we are discussing CIG's right to use it in a work of concept art.

    regardless of where a company actually uses the art. what matters if their right to use it.

    one company may use a wall texture in a concept art another may use it as a in game texture if both have the rights to it then it's fine.

    if not then it's up to the owner of said at to contact the other company and discuss it's use.

    [–]Mr_Streakednew user/low karma 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Yeah, they could just stick a coriolis starport and a covenant elite in there for good measure.

    [–]SkormfuseData Runner 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    if they have the license to them they could.

    this is about licensing not the actual content.

    for concept art it's common to use art you have a license for. stock images to make the production quicker and cheaper because it's just a concept.

    like white boxing don't spend more money unless you have to.

    [–]rentaspoon 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I've seen artofinca do a speed painting, I wonder if this is contracted concept art, or concept art not ment to be seen outside of the company and someone mucked up. Which might explain something.

    DAMMIT JARED

    [–]monkeyfetus 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I don't see anything wrong with compositing images for internal concept art/visualizations. It's using a lifted image as promotional material that's the real problem here.

    [–]MetaParsernormal user/average karma 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Nice catch, but it won't be in the game so all you can complain about is the laziness of the artist really...

    [–]iBoMbYTowel 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Probably a Fair Use; non-issue.

    [–]one_pong_onlynew user/low karma 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    So what? The artist is also using the same colored ink that he used in The Martian and Blade Runner.

    If the celestial sphere inside the playable SC universe ripped that image, which it does not, then it would be cause for some uproar, but this is just some quick sketch of what the planetary object will look like. The point that the EVE community is missing is that SC will actually have planetary landing areas, something that is not possible in their clicker-style game.

    [–]HemperorPalpathcBounty Hunter 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    So?

    [–]B4ckBOneGrand Admiral 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    What if the nebula pic is an actual space nebula pic from NASA ?

    [–]EndymionDrakeVice Admiral 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Don't know if this was mentioned yet, but is it possible that this was done intentionally as an easter egg/nod to EVE? They do have a record for putting little things like that into the game.

    [–]Dr_Gats 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Looks like a clean ripoff to me. While not unheard of in the gaming industry, and certainly not the worst instance of this type of thing happening, I'm still a little ashamed of you CIG.

    That being said, the amount of salt coming from the Eve sub is pretty staggering. They already tagged their post with "Brigading from SC", whoever is doing that should probably knock it off, we don't need to be as juvenile as they are. Understand their side of things: their game has been out for years, and their cult following is being overshadowed by a game that's not even out of Alpha yet. Now we're not just figuratively stealing their thunder.

    [–]thoggins 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    i assure you that nobody feels overshadowed by SC

    [–]st_PaulusColonel 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I'm still a little ashamed of you CIG.

    is that image was produced by CIG or a contractor?

    [–]ragingtonberry 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (13子コメント)

    I went to a private art school and saw multiple classmates expelled for plagiarism much more disguised and hidden than this.

    The point isn't "oh it's not a big deal, it's just concept art," it's a big deal because it's plagiarism. The concept artist's continued employment depends on being able to generate original content for the game that fits both the specifications of the art director as well as the time budget of the project.

    If an artist of any kind isn't honest with their work, it's a big deal no matter what game or movie or other medium the art was lifted from. It doesn't make Star Citizen a bad game. It doesn't make the EVE Online community a bunch of salty, toxic whiners (EVE has a fantastic community, especially on Reddit).

    It just makes this artist a liar and a plagiarist.

    [–]ltajax 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    allot of the concept art is made for internal use to give the artists a guide of what to shoot for, so if you can grab an image of a nebula to save time instead of painting one, you do it.

    Time is money, there is not point wasting time on the nebula if its just for internal use anyway. Placeholder textures and shortcuts are used all the time during development.

    If ingame assets where using ripped concept work, then that is another story.

    And yeah you would get expelled from university if you plagiarised and did not reference it, or credit the original artist in your final submission.

    [–]Tsedd 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (5子コメント)

    The point isn't "oh it's not a big deal, it's just concept art," it's a big deal because it's plagiarism.

    Yip. And beyond that, it's being used as promotional material. If it was internal, okay, fine. But as soon as you're sending out that stuff on a mailer? Might as well be plastering it on a billboard.

    [–]ltajax 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (4子コメント)

    It probably was not originally intended as promotional material, but somebody doing the marketing decided "oh this is cool, lets use this" without realising.

    [–]Spyers 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I don't know that I've ever seen that concept art released by CIG. Which post from CIG did it come from?

    [–]Meowstopher 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Today's email newsletter.

    [–]prjindigo 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    i'll bet ya EvE didn't actually have rights to use the image.

    [–]Lugia3210 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Yeah it's only been in the game since before Star Citizen received it's first dollar, so they probably went to the future and stole it.

    [–]DerFritzRedditBounty Hunter 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    So what? This sub tries to make drama out of everything.

    [–]ElleRisalo 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (8子コメント)

    I think the best part is this image was from a system in EVE that hosted the bloodiest battle in MMO history...and that the artist would have had to actually create an account travel to the system for the shot.

    [–]Dr_Gats 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    and that the artist would have had to actually create an account travel to the system for the shot.

    Eh, not really. A google reverse image search for me showed that the image was used all over the place on EVE fan sites, so the image is definitely already floating around out there.

    [–]Swesteel 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    So all those fan sites has stolen that nebula too? /s

    [–]KillerPotato_BMW -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Please don't be No Man's Sky. Please don't be No Man's Sky.

    ...

    Oh, that is a relief.

    [–]evorm 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    maybe they both took it from a common source

    [–]AltaweirTrader 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Are we sure the EVE version doesn't come up from a NASA image or something?

    [–]Malibutomi 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I may be blind but the last pic which should show the nebula ingame in Eve is looks nothing like the two other pics. It is bright with dust on the sides, whereas on the concept, there is dust on the center covering the light parts.

    [–]MechanoidWarhead 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Wait, you're telling me that one thing may have helped inspire the artistic theme of another thing that was meant to spark ideas for yet some other thing? Where's my pitchfork and torch! We must put a stop to this... this... "inspiration"!

    [–]Hornsj2 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Never seen this SC art. Where have I been?