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[–]HookedOnAWew 695 points696 points697 points  (208 children)
But not Saudi Arabia and Qatar! Those are the countries that need to be placed on the list.
Saudis were heavily involved in 9/11 and directly funding ISIS. This list is severely incomplete without these two additions.
[–]Brokeasscars 48 points49 points50 points  (5 children)
The House of Saud is the biggest exporter of extremist thought in the world. The country is mostly an exercise in converting crude oil into Wasabi influenced Mosques on a global scale. With Muslims growing dramtically faster than any other population in the world, the ultimate outcome is only a matter of when. It's no wonder that they keep such tight control on their women. They are mostly just breeding factories.
Trump should put a ban on Wahabi/Sharia/Islamist immigration instead of picking countries. The biggest danger to the western world is not ethnic in nature, it is cultural and ideological.
[–]FSMhelpusall 17 points18 points19 points  (2 children)
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Wasabi influenced Mosques
Shit, I never knew Japanese sauce was so influential in Islam :P
[–]Brokeasscars 9 points10 points11 points  (0 children)
Haha, damn SJW cell phone doesn't have Wahabi in its dictionary. Wasabi influenced Mosques sounds more delicious than anything.
[–]fahque650CA 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
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Wasabi
Mmm. Sushi.
[–]The_AutisticShitlordCAN 140 points141 points142 points  (53 children)
Because Qatar and Saudi Arabia have leverage, they could hit American energy sector hard right now if President Trump poke the goat to hard.
Give him time to be OPEC independent and he will deal with them after.
[–]altergyro 73 points74 points75 points  (6 children)
What about PAKISTAN??? They are powerless and yet they are the HUB of terrorism...
[–]Lakailb87 70 points71 points72 points  (4 children)
But 19 of the 22 terrorists in 9/11 came from Saudi Arabia. What's the point of a ban if it doesn't target the country where 90% of them come from?
[–]snowback 11 points12 points13 points  (2 children)
We saw both Bushs, both Clintons and Obama sucking up to the Saudis.
When does it stop?
[–]I-AM-NOT-RACIST-BUT 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
It won't stop until the U.S. stops selling weapons and military gear to the Saudis, U.S. oil companies stop doing business with the Saudis, and the U.S. somehow forces KSA to divest from the U.S.
Until then, we are at the mercy of the wahhabi bullshit and their terrorist sponsoring.
[–]johnjohn1245 75 points76 points77 points  (22 children)
He has been quoted as saying he likes the Saudis. Not sure it will happen.
[–]bestbiff 38 points39 points40 points  (1 child)
The Saudi Prince told Americans to reject Trump on Twitter and Trump called him "Dopey Prince" back. Like the United States' history with Saudi Arabia, their relationship seems...complicated.
[–]smoogumsCA 13 points14 points15 points  (0 children)
Prince tweeted an apology and bent the knee
[–]cocaine_boys 28 points29 points30 points  (14 children)
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he likes the Saudis
Literally no one else does except for our asshole politicians and fancyboy hollyweird jesters going to Dubai for some cheese pizza. We honestly need to stop fucking around with them.
[–]boog3n 33 points34 points35 points  (11 children)
Dubai is in the UAE, not Saudi Arabia.
[–]FAKE_NEWS_ARMY 8 points9 points10 points  (0 children)
Boom. This I agree with.
[–]aff_done 10 points11 points12 points  (0 children)
Have you seen this tweet of his?
[–]n8dom 40 points41 points42 points  (0 children)
As a non-Trump supporter, I am very relieved to see you all pointing to this. If you are going to ban immigrants from outside countries, at least make sure you are doing it to the ones we know for a fact are the ones supplying terrorists.
[–]KosherDensityARMY 4 points5 points6 points  (4 children)
Spot on, Leaf.
Once America has gained energy independence we can tell the Saudis to go pound sand
[–]sharkiest 28 points29 points30 points  (2 children)
But the whole point is supposedly "keeping out terrorists." If Trump is willing to let the country that supplied the 9/11 terrorists continue to immigrate, even temporarily, you're admitting that the move is symbolic in nature and therefore pointless.
[–]nunsinnikes 57 points58 points59 points  (84 children)
I think their government is more a problem than refugees and immigration from those nations. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
[–]BaldorX 91 points92 points93 points  (53 children)
With that logic then what's the issue with like, Iran, for example?
[–]bamaroni 116 points117 points118 points  (9 children)
Yeah. The Iranian people are quite Westernized and are often really happy to see Americans. It wasn't until we fucked with their government that shit got weird.
[–]chogallCA 31 points32 points33 points  (3 children)
Persians are hella fucking smart and hard working people. But somehow we decided to fuck their government up!
[–]bestbiff 32 points33 points34 points  (28 children)
Pure politics. We are "allies" with the Saudis. It's no secret Saudi Arabia and Pakistan promote radicalization, but we depend on their government for air bases and I'm sure secret drone launches.
[–]BaldorX 13 points14 points15 points  (3 children)
Yeah and I read somewhere to there was something signed in 2015 or a few years back that named iran as well as these other countries being subject to this very sort of action (i know I should source, my apologies but Im just learning this today so I totally could be wrong).
So it seems like this is, as you say, very much in the realm of "pure politics". I like Trump's willingness to be proactive and harsh when necessary, but I guess Im still a little sensitized to feeling for people who I truly believe should continue to be allowed to come over, by which i mean the Iranians, cause they actually are the sorts of immigrants that integrate, contribute to us, believe in western values etc, it seems woefully unfair to punish them.
And to that extent it's one thing for typical liberals to be pissed off all the time and try to burn Trump for everything, but this action has real consequences... to see people torn apart from families or forced to stay somewhere they're in danger of persecution when they would rather accept American values is something that, I think, really will disturb a LOT of people.
It's fortunately only temporary and I do feel confident that, upon lifting the ban we'll probably see some actual good reform to immigration law, but still, this blanket ban seems too much, I worry about the damage it could do not only to trump and his perception worldwide, but the actual will of the people. Just my two cents lol sorry for the rant 😂
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    [–]bestbiff 8 points9 points10 points  (1 child)
    That's silly. Are you getting this theory from that retarded bloomberg article? Saudi Arabia, Turkey (part of NATO), Pakistan, Egypt are all strategic partners of the US, as flawed as they are. We sell billions in arms to them. It's not a surprise. Trump has no business ties in Pakistan, Qatar, Lebanon, etc and they aren't on the banned list. Except for Iran, the banned countries we are actively bombing and are mostly lawless or in civil war. No one is looking to open a golf course or luxury hotel in fucking Somalia, dude. Really a complete stretch to conflate this to Trump's businesses.
    [–]Misplays4days 9 points10 points11 points  (13 children)
    That's the one I don't get either. Iran is very low % muslim if I remember correctly
    [–]BaldorX 31 points32 points33 points  (10 children)
    Well I don't think they're low muslim, i think they're still muslim majority, but theres certainly not a many Iranians who support shariah law and most of the young people there hate their government and want to be westernized.
    So it seems like out of everyone these would be the guys to keep letting in. Hopefully there's some good review and in 90 days this gets lifted.
    [–]mjacobs19IN 9 points10 points11 points  (8 children)
    Yeah, Iran seems to be a bit like most of the Arab world was in the 70s. You know you see those photos that say Afghanistan 1975 and the women and men are dressed like westerners and such. I think most Iranians would love to have a revolution to take out the government, and replace them with not morons, and let them be more western.
    [–]art_comma_yeah_rightMD 4 points5 points6 points  (3 children)
    That is quite a sight, it's like a fake alternative history, so hard to believe in light of what's happening today. Gotta be careful with those middle east revolutions, though. They're not always for the best.
    [–]FranzTurdinand 28 points29 points30 points  (7 children)
    Refugees are not a problem but immigrants who come here for other reasons are. All of the 9/11 terrorists came from there. Saudi Arabia definitely needs to be put on this list. In fact, they should be at the top.
    [–]chogallCA 27 points28 points29 points  (4 children)
    The ruling also impacted green card holders and dual citizenship holders. Its fucked up.
    [–]cryogenic_me_a_river 9 points10 points11 points  (10 children)
    There's a separate ban on refugees. The country specific ban is for all visas.
    [–]chogallCA 21 points22 points23 points  (9 children)
    Not only visas, but also Green Card holders and dual citizenship holders, which makes it fucking controversial.
    [–]kwassa1 4 points5 points6 points  (3 children)
    With Saudi, yes. Immigration from there is relatively scant, anyway, since they have tons of money and social safety nets and require exit visas to travel here.
    Qatar needs to be in the list ASAP.
    [–]wegottagetback 56 points57 points58 points  (14 children)
    We saw with wikileaks that the United States government has worked with them; seemingly for our oil interests and also to line the pockets of corrupt politicians (see: clinton). This exclusion does worry me. Either trump has some bad agents advising him or he is turning a blind eye for other reasons. It is a fair question from his opposition though..
    [–]NeedMoreStaals 30 points31 points32 points  (9 children)
    “
    or he is turning a blind eye for other reasons.
    By law they're still "allies." He can't just tell them to get fucked without a ton of work. It's not something you can just do in a day
    [–]Pepeworshipper445NY 10 points11 points12 points  (5 children)
    In the hannity interview he publicly said he was very wary of the saudis; so maybe he is playing that long game
    [–]WutUtalkingBoutWill 2 points3 points4 points  (2 children)
    So long as they don't do another 9/11 they'll be good though, right?
    [–]BloodSnail 10 points11 points12 points  (0 children)
    Seriously. A lack of attention usually indicates playing the long game when it comes to Trump. There's actually a similar tactic in Chess.4dchess
    [–]BarclaydeTolliWV 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
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    This exclusion does worry me. Either trump has some bad agents advising him or he is turning a blind eye for other reasons.
    It's difficult to overstate just how intertwined Gulf money is with US politics and media. That's a fight we need to have, but if we halfass it it won't go well.
    [–]BeeJiveMentality 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
    What if it is just to force refugees into Saudi Arabia, like how they send 5000 to knock on our doors. I know they don't have a policy, but what if the borders were flooded.
    It could cause a stir in the Arabia.
    [–]Shister6022 19 points20 points21 points  (1 child)
    I suspect Trump intends to deal with them directly. Our relationship with the Saudis is complicated and Trump being the negotiator he is I'm sure would rather deal with them in a bilateral way.
    I would also like to see Saudi trade/immigration/military aid restricted or eliminated until they clean their act up.
    Trump knows they are smart though and I'm sure he wants his State Department up and running before he fights that uphill battle (that he will win).
    This is all merely my intuition but let's be real Trump behaves in unpredictable yet remarkably consistent ways. He always delivers what his supporters want and he always surprises us how boldly he does it.
    [–]iltdiTXMeMeMeOkieDoke 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
    We should complete cut ties with them and place sanctions on them until they do away with the human rights violations otherwise known as Sharia law
    [–]PM_ME_UR_XYLOPHONESARMY 5 points6 points7 points  (1 child)
    Problem with Qatar? We have bases there, soldiers stationed there. Along with Kuwait, and we are heavily exposed if we piss those govts off. SA also has us by the balls with our oil dependence...
    [–]notsurewhatiam 3 points4 points5 points  (1 child)
    Thanks to our previous presidents, we're in too deep with them to outright ban them.
    They have leverage.
    [–]FAKE_NEWS_ARMY 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    They didn't add those countries to the list....

    YET.

    [–]InFrn0TX 774 points775 points776 points  (114 children)
    "TERRORISM HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ISLAM!"
    "BANNING IMMIGRATION FROM COUNTRIES WITH TERROR GROUPS IS MUSLIM BAN"
    ...mmmkay
    [–]InFrn0TX 54 points55 points56 points  (0 children)
    It's nice to laugh it out but few people realize this is actually WEAPONS GRADE FRAMING AND MESSAGING
    [–]mannabhai 121 points122 points123 points  (32 children)
    Why wasn't Saudi Arabia or Pakistan banned?
    [–]BeefJesusMaker 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
    I'd really like a reasonable explanation for this.
    [–]baddox 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
    And Afghanistan, Egypt, and Turkey. Muslim majority countries from which terrorists have attacked the US, unlike all the countries on this list.
    [–]JohnHenryEden77 29 points30 points31 points  (10 children)
    I thought he has the balls to do so, turn out he is like every other
    [–]art_comma_yeah_rightMD 30 points31 points32 points  (0 children)
    Well the other 189 countries on earth are 100% christian fucking white males, so this actually checks out (it doesn't).
    [–]theflanimal 16 points17 points18 points  (32 children)
    It's just common sense. I don't see how anyone can complain about it. You want back in? Stop blowing us up.
    [–]machineKeks 81 points82 points83 points  (28 children)
    Yes refugees, EXTREME VET them. But I can't agree about banning LEGAL permanent residents. These people came here the right way, have jobs and mortgages, and pay taxes. They're on their way to becoming citizens and voting. Hell they probably cheer college football or some shit.
    Many were traveling whereever, but by banning them from reentry, how are they gonna get back to their jobs, families, mortgages and shit?
    This just plays into the lefts hand.
    [–]oligo_syn_wiz 8 points9 points10 points  (8 children)
    How many people are currently traveling and won't be let back in? It seems like exceptions can be made on a case-by-case basis because the number probably isn't very high. It's wishful thinking though.
    [–]machineKeks 23 points24 points25 points  (3 children)
    Good question. But it also includes folks who were sent overseas by their companies, not out of their own choice. We should be applauding them for doing it the right way, paying taxes, staying out of trouble etc.
    [–]Ariano 5 points6 points7 points  (1 child)
    My mom bought tickets to go see her family, her parents are 90+ and very sick but now she can't go see them.
    [–]KongoOtto 14 points15 points16 points  (3 children)
    "Well, fuck them" Seems to be the agenda.
    There are legal immigrants "brave, honest people" call them whatever u like. Imagine this: They come to this country to seek a new life without war, have jobs and mortgages, and pay taxes.
    After years of hardshipness you leave the country for the first time and visit maybe lost familymembers outside of the us, maybe your missing and presumed dead mother or father. Now you're forbidden to enter the country. Maybe where your children live, and they lose everything because you lost your job, you can't pay mortages and can't pay taxes.
    Is that the definition of MAGA? :(
    Some think this is overdramatisation, but for many many people its realty.
    [–]SimpleDan11 19 points20 points21 points  (4 children)
    I live in Canada. A friend of mine moved here when she was 7 from Iran, raised in our country. She's a citizen in both countries and now she's banned from the States. We like going down there so she's pretty choked. This isn't the right way to do things.
    [–]Snow_Town 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
    So if she's a Canadian citizen, she can enter the U.S on her Canadian passport.
    Edit: I just read an article which said dual citizens are blocked from U.S. entry during the ban. So I guess your friend will have to buy Canadian while the ban is in place.
    [–]Spaser 7 points8 points9 points  (0 children)
    I live in Canada. A coworker of mine just got offered a job at Apple in Silicon Valley. She's a Canadian citizen, and has passed multiple security and background checks to work at our current company. Unfortunately she is from Iran, so she can't take this job now.
    [–]echoeco 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
    or stop blowing them up...either way violence only leads to more violence
    [–]1438jewel 12 points13 points14 points  (6 children)
    The Hajj to Mecca is one of the sacred duties of all Muslims. If Trump banned Saudi Arabia then the media would be saying "Trump is trying to oppress Muslim Americans by preventing them from making the Hajj". But they can't say that. If he really was a bigot who just wanted to oppress Muslims, he would not have hesitated to ban Saudi Arabia. (Which isn't to say that banning SA would conversely mean he was a bigot)
    [–]I-AM-NOT-RACIST-BUT 15 points16 points17 points  (0 children)
    If it's been proven that Saudi Arabia wahabbis funded 9/11 and other terror attacks, I would've banned Saudi Arabia first. Or maybe start having them divest from our country, stop selling them weapons.
    [–]glorious_kebabCAN 17 points18 points19 points  (3 children)
    Fuck Saudi Arabia Trump should be calling them out more imo
    [–]electricpussy 11 points12 points13 points  (0 children)
    Can you explain why he also banned permanent residents and green card holders who currently live in the US? With this ban, if they leave the country for any reason like their pilgrimage to Mecca they will not be allowed back.
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      [–]TheGreenTriangle 20 points21 points22 points  (4 children)
      Look what problems Muslim immigration has done to Europe. Not only the terrorism, but the disrespect for women, the rape game, swimming pool sexual abuse of children, the media covering it up. Look how many terror attacks European countries have prevented. They are legion. A refusal to integrate, a huge chip on their shoulder, calls for sharia law, supporting terrorism, hating the west. Here in the U.K., Muslims will name call girls slags for wearing skirts. In France there are areas where women cannot go out (I have great YouTube video which will open your eyes of you don't believe me) YOU are un-American for wanting to welcome a deluge of hardline, aggressive, regressive women hating, Jew hating, Christian hating backward fanatics. Yes, not all Muslims are terrorists, but look at the Pew research into what "normal" Muslims think and believe, even those who grew up "westernized". It is fucked. The US needs to prevent this or else end up like Germany or Sweden. In 30 years Germany will not be the Germany you know now. So you can take your "this is sad", "this is un American" boo boo virtue signaling bollocks and shove it up your arse.
      I acknowledge that there are well integrated, respectful Muslims. But until Muslims from these countries on the whole get their act together, I think the Don is right on this.
      [–]InFrn0TX 19 points20 points21 points  (0 children)
      There are 200 Million Muslims in Indonesia, 173 Million in India and 145 Million in Bangladesh. This is NOT about Muslims, this is about countries than have had their governments destabilized and can no longer vet their citizens thanks to war hawk Obama and Hillary. The investigation on 9/11 was hampered by previous administrations, everyone knows it and when the truth is out it won't be about a imposing ban on Saudi immigration. It will be a global embargo on the Wahabbis and the Kingdom.
      [–]BallPIL 15 points16 points17 points  (4 children)
      He already hinted at why. Because he got into office and realized that our entire government is owned by the kingdom. Don't worry shill, he's working on it. And congrats on upvoting yourself 3 times in 0 seconds from your alts.
      [–]Attila_22 218 points219 points220 points  (25 children)
      Could get downvoted for this but I think people with Greencards already should be allowed in. They've already gone through part of the immigration process and have jobs
      [–]solsken77USA 32 points33 points34 points  (0 children)
      Voice of Reason.
      [–]ImTyTho 87 points88 points89 points  (7 children)
      Agreed. This doesn't make sense to me. It's okay to be a Trump supporter and not BLINDLY agree with everything he does. That's what seperates the right from the left.
      [–]Good-Vibes-Only 37 points38 points39 points  (1 child)
      Lol dude, from a non american perspective both the left and right are insane. It has always seemed more like two rival sports teams then real political discourse about governing everyones livelihood.
      God damn your comment is too funny
      [–]abowden 16 points17 points18 points  (1 child)
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      It's okay to be a Trump supporter and not BLINDLY agree with everything he does.
      I'm glad to see this here but it is surprising - I mean you guys do call him God-Emperor...
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      That's what seperates the right from the left.
      I don't think this is fair. Look at how many people on the left refused to support Hillary, or how everyone hated the TPP even though it was Obama's baby. Look what's happened with Cory Booker over pharma, or Chuck Schumer and even Elizabeth Warren over their Trump cabinet votes.
      [–]RIPmyniqqaharambeCA 26 points27 points28 points  (0 children)
      No I agree, people laugh at us because we don't point out his flaws but I for one will be on top of his shit if it makes no logical sense.
      [–]zmanx_88FL 25 points26 points27 points  (0 children)
      this is the first time i disagree with the administration.. Its pretty fucked up that a green card holder who is on vacation could get stranded on their way back to us...
      [–]Selthres1 6 points7 points8 points  (0 children)
      I'm hoping he doesn't expand the ban to other Muslim-majority countries. My wife hasn't seen her family in over a year, and we were hoping to take a trip next month. Trying to decide if it's still a good choice.
      [–]machineKeks 240 points241 points242 points  (27 children)
      I'm all for banning refugees, but banning LEGAL permanent residents who are living here and have been paying taxes and working peacefully?? Including H1b visa holders and students on VISAS?
      We keep telling people to immigrate here legally, but now we're are banning legal immigrants? This is very troubling to be honest, and I'll have to disagree with Trump. Even longtime legal residents who are basically U.S. citizens minus the right to vote, who are just traveling cannot come back now.
      [–]Attila_22 72 points73 points74 points  (0 children)
      I agree. People already legally living her permanently shouldn't be banned.
      [–]dracofiredong 53 points54 points55 points  (1 child)
      Yeah man. This is really bad and will be used by the left to viciously attack us. What do we get out of banning permanent residents and dual citizens?
      [–]vesperpepper 10 points11 points12 points  (0 children)
      please speak out against this. those of us on the left get our opinions immediately dismissed by a large group of your peers, and we really need to change hearts and minds.
      hate governments, not people. people are the same everywhere- mostly kind, good-hearted products of their environment with a few bad eggs.
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        [–]RedPilledLiberalPA 5 points6 points7 points  (1 child)
        I agree. I'm shocked to hear about this.
        [–]based_doggo 29 points30 points31 points  (5 children)
        Now you guys act fucking surprised? No offense, but he has been talking this kind of shit his entire campaign. I don't understand why all of you are acting surprised now that he is actually following through.
        This is coming from someone who supports several of his economic decisions.
        [–]PhinocioCAN 6 points7 points8 points  (2 children)
        He had been talking about banning illegal immigrants and getting them out of the country, along with banning Muslims entering the country.
        Nothing about legal residents with Green Cards and/or Visas.
        [–]stalemittens 146 points147 points148 points  (27 children)
        But why does this apply to permanent residents with green cards? I understand wanting to be cautions with immigration but what about immigrants that are already here legally?
        [–]Cucumberoo 76 points77 points78 points  (16 children)
        I really don't know. Green card holders have already been fingerprinted, medically checked, interviewed, background checked, have social security numbers, etc. They live in the states, pay taxes and work like any citizen.
        [–]minliteCA 60 points61 points62 points  (15 children)
        This. I don't want to be a concern troll, but I waited 4 years to come in legally, and now I'm told if I want to go to Europe this summer, I might not be coming back. This fucking sucks. I hope he exempts green card holders...
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          [–]ChillPuprinaCA 214 points215 points216 points  (20 children)
          You are right. Turning away greencard holders is a mistake on our President's part. We should not be okay with that.
          [–]ez_mac 69 points70 points71 points  (7 children)
          It needs to be rectified immediately. We cannot afford to disenfranchise legal immigrants. Perhaps if the left had taken the danger of Islamic terrorism seriously over the past 8 years we wouldn't be in this situation.
          [–]chogallCA 39 points40 points41 points  (6 children)
          We need legal immigration. Our top and best scientists and engineers have historically been immigrants, not natural born Americans.
          [–]ulmonWI 22 points23 points24 points  (4 children)
          I agree they shouldn't be banned, but do we have confirmation that they are banned or being vetted?
          Tsarnaev brothers made repeated trips across seas while getting radicalized, so no one should be exempt from vetting.
          [–]recoveringcanuck 70 points71 points72 points  (2 children)
          There are statements saying that the ban applies to green card holders. http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-immigration-greencard-idUSKBN15C0KX The point about the Tsarnaev brothers is well taken, but like I say, this was sprung on people with no warning, while they may have been abroad as tourists. Now they will be barred from entry for 90 days. That's long enough to lose a job, a house, etc. People who just happened to not be out of the country at the moment will be fine, may have to delay plans. But there will be families financially ruined by this too unless the scale back within a few days.
          [–]ulmonWI 28 points29 points30 points  (1 child)
          Got it.
          I agree this is a mistake by admin. I think right solution is to adopt Israeli methods of vetting, which are very effective, for green-card holders and citizens.
          [–]fire_water76 21 points22 points23 points  (0 children)
          Yes. I have friends from MIT who can not come back to finish their spring semester. They got rejected at the airport with legal student visas. Why are legal immigrants being banned?
          [–]Soreanan 17 points18 points19 points  (0 children)
          Yeah I remember this subreddit constantly promising it would only be illegal immigrants. I seriously hope this is fixed.
          [–]LagAndAssists 82 points83 points84 points  (13 children)
          This is true. Refugees I can totally understand. But now a couple of my Iranian friends are unable to visit their family overseas. This is not okay.
          [–]chogallCA 16 points17 points18 points  (0 children)
          Yeah, life as legal Persian immigrant is already hard enough w/ the souring relationship between the two countries. This is making thier lives harder.
          [–]fcdruWI 59 points60 points61 points  (8 children)
          Agreed. I have to side with those who would say that this goes against American values this time around.
          President Trump is just a man, my friends. He's not perfect. Nor are any of his advisors. We should be completely honest with ourselves and speak up when he steps out of line.
          Just the same way we always called out the left when Obama used his power for some ridiculous overreach that went against our values.
          This doesn't sit well with me, and he needs to address it.
          Edit: spelling
          [–]themeteorpolice 62 points63 points64 points  (5 children)
          Thank you for banning Somalia --
          The people of Minnesota
          [–]BalatkariBabaReturns 87 points88 points89 points  (16 children)
          It'll be a cold day in hell before Trump adds Saudi to this list.
          [–]NotEnoughVideoGamesGBR[S] 61 points62 points63 points  (10 children)
          Yeah I'm kind of annoyed they're not on there.
          [–]BalatkariBabaReturns 26 points27 points28 points  (6 children)
          This was expected, tbh. Money talks, and people often overlook Saudi spread Wahabism (they've been funding radicialization in my country too) over countries that haven't carried out terrorist attacks.
          The real enemy has always been Saudi, and their plan is working.
          [–]kabajingaiJPN 4 points5 points6 points  (2 children)
          Switzerland is home to the majority of financing for the international arms trade - a good chunk of which will wind up in the hands of jihadis in the Middle-East.
          Should we ban all Swiss citizens from entering the US?
          Maybe we should ban all the Chinese as well, seeing as Norinco have been selling weapons to countries on the UN-sanctions list.
          Whilst I'm not defending Saudi Arabia, the level of misunderstanding and general ignorance over this is astounding.
          [–]cryogenic_me_a_river 13 points14 points15 points  (0 children)
          And Yemen is on the list. Since SA is actively bombarding Yemen, it's very clear the list is VERY political and not just based on safety.
          [–]phuctran 42 points43 points44 points  (3 children)
          Trump invoked the specter of the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks. Most of the 19 hijackers on the planes that crashed into the World Trade Center, the Pentagon and a field in Shanksville, Pa., were from Saudi Arabia. The rest were from the United Arab Emirates, Egypt and Lebanon. None of those countries are on Mr. Trump’s visa ban list.
          [–]teedeepee 16 points17 points18 points  (1 child)
          And in fact, looking at where other perpetrators of islamist attacks on U.S. soil since 9/11 were born:
          • 2002 LAX shooting: Egypt
          • 2009 Little Rock army recruitment office: US
          • 2009 Fort Hood shooting: US
          • 2013 Boston marathon: Kyrgyzstan (US citizens)
          • 2014 NY subway: US
          • 2015 TX Garland Center: US
          • 2015 San Bernardino: US and Pakistan, respectively
          • 2016 Orlando nightclub: US
          • 2016 Ohio State Uni: Somalia
          So only 1 was from a country covered in this ban.
          [–]gulabar 37 points38 points39 points  (1 child)
          I am actually agreeing banning people who doesn't share American values.
          However, this is the exact opposite. Most green card holders share American values even more than Americans - they made a conscious choice to move there - and most of Iranians living in the US are not Muslims and are fiercely against the current Iranian governement.
          Using Obama list is a mistake too. It's clearly motivated by geopolitical issues and not terrorism. Iran didn't send any terrorist both in Europe or in the US for ever while Saudis are the ones financing and being the roots of terrorism.
          Trump is shooting himself on the foot on this one.
          [–]blastedin[🍰] 9 points10 points11 points  (0 children)
          That's what killing me. Look at any country's legal immigrants and permanent residents. Some are bitter, but many are more patriotic and thankful than those who got their citizenship by birthplace because they made the choice, had to work for it and know what US allows them to escape.
          After my brother got his citizenship after ten years in the US it was eagle party all 'round
          [–]ActuallyAquaman 77 points78 points79 points  (3 children)
          But not the Saudis. You know, the ones that actually supported 9/11
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            [–]Jack_CandleUSA 22 points23 points24 points  (2 children)
            From what I've heard they are working out the kinks to allow them in. Or in others words, extremely vetting them.
            [–]7HarperSeven 53 points54 points55 points  (2 children)
            This part is a big mistake.
            The media is going to be full of stories of young entrepreneurial students here legally on green card from Iran, Yemen etc who were on vacation somewhere and detained and/or denied entry.
            This isn't the right approach...
            They need to fix this quick. Green card and PR is legal.
            [–]dblinkIL 17 points18 points19 points  (0 children)
            It's already happening, with that director not able to make it for the Oscars. Green card and others already vetted with visas should be let in.
            [–]ultimapanzer 31 points32 points33 points  (0 children)
            Imagine trying to come back from time off to visit your family and being told you can't come back for 90 days. Is your employer going to be understanding? If they don't keep paying you, are you going to lose your home? This could destroy people's lives.
            [–]ChillPuprinaCA 61 points62 points63 points  (1 child)
            Yes. I don't agree with that either. Legal Americans should not be banned.
            [–]if_if_if_if_okiedoke 26 points27 points28 points  (0 children)
            Some of the stories I'm hearing are heartbreaking. Americans -- people with green cards who've been in the States for decades in cases -- people who want to be citizens here and are waiting in line patiently, they're unable to return Stateside because they were born in one of these 7 countries.
            [–]ulmonWI 16 points17 points18 points  (2 children)
            Do we have confirmation that they are banned (as opposed to being vetted) before freaking out?
            Edit: looks like this is the case. http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-immigration-greencard-idUSKBN15C0KX. I think this is a misstep and hope they iron out the policy.
            [–]yeayeaokMT 34 points35 points36 points  (1 child)
            It's a disaster, not a misstep. I can't believe Trump or his advisors would be dumb enough to do something like that. Signing the executive orders on the first day was cool and all, but I'd have much preferred that they were thought out well. This is retarded and wrong. Think about the anti-Trump campaign commercials that are going to be coming out i three years.
            [–]LagAndAssists 18 points19 points20 points  (0 children)
            True, that's the one thing I have an issue with. Pretty messed up.
            [–]bisilfishil 27 points28 points29 points  (0 children)
            Need to add Saudi Arabia to the list, fuck those guys
            [–]TheBrownKnight210 30 points31 points32 points  (4 children)
            Sooooooo what about Saudi Arabia? You know, the people who actually did 9/11? Lol
            [–]defiant224CAN 41 points42 points43 points  (1 child)
            The fact that Saudi Arabia isn't on the list says a lot.
            [–]chamstar 10 points11 points12 points  (0 children)
            But why haven't we banned travel from Saudi Arabia, a known terrorism incubator?
            [–]toastedmale 11 points12 points13 points  (3 children)
            why didn't trump ban saudi arabia?
            [–]godmin 13 points14 points15 points  (0 children)
            A few reasons:
            He registered 8 businesses there during his campaign.
            Would be a very bad idea because of energy prices.
            They buy a fuckload of military supplies from us.
            Money
            [–]Buzzkill1591 9 points10 points11 points  (4 children)
            Im a Trump guy, ive been following him since the apprentice days... but cmon man! Saudi Arabia and Pakistan not being in the list is just half ass shit.
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              [–]ajbeniusPA 2 points3 points4 points  (1 child)
              I agree with you that he needs to expand the list. The countries on the list do already pose a security risk (especially Somalia), however it does need to be expanded for the reasons you stated. Hopefully the case here is that he's starting out low due to having no DOJ/DHS, which makes him quite susceptible to lawsuits (he has no Solicitor General).
              [–]altergyro 9 points10 points11 points  (0 children)
              I am disappointed that Trump has not included Tunisia, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Afghanistan, and most importantly, Pakistan.
              [–]Trumpthulhu-FhtagnFL 8 points9 points10 points  (0 children)
              Let's discuss - including Green Cards? Why? Seems like such an easy way to engage the lefts claim of these laws affecting not just "illegal immigrants" but also "legal immigrants".
              Is there some sort of 4d chess that I don't see? Is it required by the nature of the laws in place and the powers of the president and how they are structured?
              I don't get it - maybe it is a set up from Trump?
              Media: You banned Green cards! Green card holders are already safe and good!
              Media: But she was from Pakistan!
              Trump: OK, on the list, we don;t want another 9/11.
              Media: But the 9/11 guys came from Saudi Arabi!
              Trump: OK, on the list. Thanks! Great ideas there media!
              [–]redcavzards 9 points10 points11 points  (9 children)
              Okay my question: why the actual fuck is this ban not on Saudi Arabia and Pakistan too? Saudi Arabia was RESPONSIBLE for 9/11 and Pakistan has been terrorizing the Middle East for years. Remember those terror attacks in India 5-6 years ago? That was all Pakistan's doing!
              I really hope this has nothing to do with any business interests in those countries.
              [–]NetPotionNr9USA 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
              Unfortunately, the finders, or his tractors, and where the perpetrators came from, Saudi Arabia is not on that list.
              [–]MembaBerry 9 points10 points11 points  (0 children)
              So what about Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Egypt and Algeria? Good thing no terrorists have ever come from those wonderful countries. /s
              [–]DatabaseCentralMA 32 points33 points34 points  (13 children)
              Trump imposes a ban on people from places currently in war zones. It's only being reported as a "Muslim ban". It's disgraceful. They say the ban is from "Islamic majority countries" but let's be real, there's a large amount of Islamic countries in the world. It's not a shock that banning countries in the middle east (that are currently in war zones) are Muslim communities.
              And really, at the end of the day, tell me how many catholics have left those countries and suicide bombed malls or drove trucks into crowds.
              [–]minliteCA 34 points35 points36 points  (3 children)
              But Iran is not a war zone and literally 0 attacks in the US since 1975 have been carried out by people from there. They are fighting ISIS alongside Russia for God's sake.
              [–]wegottagetback 3 points4 points5 points  (7 children)
              If somebody smarter than I could answer if these are the same countries Obama was droning, that'd be great. I think Obama was actively bombing 7 or 8 countries... is it a match?
              [–]DatabaseCentralMA 9 points10 points11 points  (5 children)
              In very short and brief research, I've found 5 quick countries that Obama has been bombing recently. Obama was bombing in Iraq, Somalia, Yemen, Libya, Pakistan and Afghanistan.
              So the outliers are Trump didn't ban Pakistan or Afghanistan.
              The other outlier is Trump banning Iran and Sudan (but they're messes). Syria is also a big mess. Have we dropped bombs on Syria or just armed them? I know we are bigly responsible for the disaster there.
              Trump put a temporary ban on all citizens from terrorist compromised/war zone areas. This is exactly what he said he would do. It's temporary too. Like 3 months. People are escalating it far bigger than it is.
              He said he'd do this to work on implementing extreme vetting. They're going to be doing this new "extreme vetting" on the nations like Saudi Arabia.
              It's weird. People on the front page of Reddit, you'll see them calling for "WHY DOES HE BAN THESE NATIONS AND NOT SAUDI ARABIA!" and then they say it's because he has "special interests in Saudi Arabia"
              No the difference is Saudi Arabia isn't a war zone. They may have a lot of things I disagree with, but it's not like Syria or Somalia where people just don't have any papers. Saudi Arabia you'll be able to vet properly.
              [–]LOLeb 2 points3 points4 points  (2 children)
              “
              Have we dropped bombs on Syria or just armed them?
              The USA has dropped bombs on Syria.
              [–]DatabaseCentralMA 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
              Alright. Thank you. So yeah, the nations we have been dropping bombs on and are in a war zone, those are the nations that Trump blocked. Sure, they're muslim countries, but it's not specifically the reason Trump put a temporary ban on them. If it was, all 50 muslim countries would've been banned.
              [–]The_Real_BenFranklin 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
              Iran isn't a mess. Their government is shit but it's a stable country.
              [–]Very_FluffyEU 34 points35 points36 points  (14 children)
              Mass rape and assault in Germany, Sweden and Austria. A few big terrorist attacks, carried out by recent immigrants or people who lived here yet came back through the stream of migrants. A lot of smaller ones all over Europe. Rapes, strain on economy and society. And Trump is insane he doesn't want this in the USA? It's impossible to vet them because they throw away their passports. 'Refugees' from Pakistan or Albania won't be allowed because there's no war (there goes the argument of the left). If the left is upset it's all muslims, they should tell muslims to quit bombing and beheading.
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                [–]yeayeaokMT 25 points26 points27 points  (2 children)
                Me either. This is inflexible and not smart.
                [–]chogallCA 8 points9 points10 points  (0 children)
                This is a really bad policy to ban legal immigration and naturalized citizens.
                On the other hand, we could all use less Kardashians.
                [–]thisisATHENS 13 points14 points15 points  (6 children)
                The problem is the media actively covers these things up and gaslights the people.
                [–]Bajones 6 points7 points8 points  (3 children)
                It's a good thing more people view sources like the Donald than corporate media
                [–]ejectmailmanAUS 13 points14 points15 points  (0 children)
                Add a few more countries to the list.... Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Qatar etc.
                [–]dactyif 15 points16 points17 points  (0 children)
                No saudi Arabia? Lol. 17/19 remember those numbers.
                [–]FuckCommando 6 points7 points8 points  (1 child)
                My only concern is that Afghanistan (which just had 4 of their friendly refugees rape one of my Swedish cousins live on facebook. If I could be there I would've stomped their heads in with a doc marten boot) is not on this list.
                [–]SemiPureConduit 6 points7 points8 points  (0 children)
                But they forgot about the biggest terrorist attack in history. The 9/11 hijackers were from SAUDI ARABIA and Egypt, hell, Saudi Arabia is the birthplace of Wahhabism... Did Trump just forget to ban the countries?
                [–]Totaltrufas 8 points9 points10 points  (1 child)
                How is Saudi Arabia not on the list?
                [–]Diefidelcastrodie 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
                Should have included the Saudis
                [–]ziggyziggyziggs 6 points7 points8 points  (2 children)
                If all Muslims were banned, that would include Saudi Arabia where Trump has his... oh wait, I get it. Nevermind.
                But seriously, what do you guys think about his exclusion of Saudi Arabia from the ban, which provided the majority of the terrorists for the single largest terrorist attack on our soil of all time?
                [–]seydlynn 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
                Can someone explain to me why Saudi Arabia was not on this list. PetroDollar?
                [–]RIPmyniqqaharambeCA 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
                My question is why saudia rabia and Pakistan were not on the list. BAN them all dont pick favorites or else they slip back into America
                [–]YagamifireRI 3 points4 points5 points  (1 child)
                4d chess again.
                Now people are demanding to know why Saudi Arabia (who just weeks ago was TOTALLY halal with regressives for funding Hillary Clinton) isn't on this list of terrorist nations!
                BWAHAH! Trump has them demanding MORE bans!
                [–]poldicerUSA 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)

                https://sethfrantzman.com/2017/01/28/obamas-administration-made-the-muslim-ban-possible-and-the-media-wont-tell-you/

                https://www.cbp.gov/travel/international-visitors/visa-waiver-program/visa-waiver-program-improvement-and-terrorist-travel-prevention-act-faq

                2015 act and program signed by obama and passed by congress that gives the president the full power to do whatever they want with visas/admission of foreign nationals from these SEVEN countries: yemen, libya, iraq, iran, sudan, syria and somalia.
                “
                Are there any exceptions to the new eligibility requirements?
                Yes, the Act provides for limited exceptions to the restriction relating to prior travel to/physical presence in Iraq, Syria, Iran, Sudan, Libya, Somalia, or Yemen. If you have traveled to Iraq, Syria, Iran, Sudan, Libya, Somalia, or Yemen to represent your program country on official military orders or official government business, you may fall within an established exception to the new eligibility requirements.
                trump is using the powers granted to the president that obama/congress signed and passed in 2015!!! nice try troll!!! what do you have left to attack us with?
                [–]silvetti 4 points5 points6 points  (2 children)
                What about Saudi Arabia ? You know, the country that actually exports the most terrorists? Ahh I know, trump has business there but not on the banned countries.
                [–]poldicerUSA 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)

                https://sethfrantzman.com/2017/01/28/obamas-administration-made-the-muslim-ban-possible-and-the-media-wont-tell-you/

                https://www.cbp.gov/travel/international-visitors/visa-waiver-program/visa-waiver-program-improvement-and-terrorist-travel-prevention-act-faq

                2015 act and program signed by obama and passed by congress that gives the president the full power to do whatever they want with visas/admission of foreign nationals from these SEVEN countries: yemen, libya, iraq, iran, sudan, syria and somalia.
                “
                Are there any exceptions to the new eligibility requirements?
                Yes, the Act provides for limited exceptions to the restriction relating to prior travel to/physical presence in Iraq, Syria, Iran, Sudan, Libya, Somalia, or Yemen. If you have traveled to Iraq, Syria, Iran, Sudan, Libya, Somalia, or Yemen to represent your program country on official military orders or official government business, you may fall within an established exception to the new eligibility requirements.
                trump is using the powers granted to the president that obama/congress signed and passed in 2015!!! nice try troll!!! what do you have left to attack us with?
                [–]silvetti 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
                So he basically did nothing since countries that did actually have nationals attacking us targets are: Egypt, UAE, Saudi Arabia and Lebanon. So you basically are saying that this measure is just for show? And FYI, I'm not American nor do I care if it was Trump or Hillary. Just find it funny your bias against one and your blindness against the other.
                [–]RedPilledLiberalPA 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
                Hey guys. Actually, it looks like Trump singled out Syria, not the other 6 countries. Banning from the other 6 countries were done by Obama.
                I've just skimmed through this article below. Sorry, I'm on mobile doing errands so I was only able to glance at this real quick. Let me know if you found something else.
                [–]Neemi 11 points12 points13 points  (2 children)
                Exactly. My Facebook feed flooded with messages on this, which prompted me to think it through.
                Trump has always emphasized safety. He has a multi-faceted approach to improve safety for all citizens. He plans to limit domestic violence by creating better conditions through jobs, and violence from outside by strengthening the military + border patrol.
                He has also emphasized efficiency in his government, as he seeks to spend as little as possible to achieve the maximum results. Not only has he preached this, he has demonstrated it with the way he spent funds throughout his campaign.
                The wall is a combination of both those principles. He could theoretically hire someone to patrol every mile of the border with Mexico, but the one-time cost of a wall dramatically reduces the number of people necessary to guard the border while achieving the same results.
                This ban is him applying the same approach to terrorism from outside sources. He may not get called "racist" when he vets every single non-US citizen to the same extreme degree, but it would be a complete waste of funds. These 7 countries were not randomly selected, they were statistically determined to be the most risky countries in the world for the US.
                It's reasonable to want to vet people as quickly as possible, as thoroughly as necessary. Given the sudden improved level of vetting, the offices that vet people require extra manpower, which takes time to set up. Additionally, as much of the backlog should be removed as possible. The fastest way to do this is to completely block cases that would take the most time (most risky countries) for a short period of time to catch up. This plan makes rational sense to me.
                I empathize with fringe cases, like people who grew up outside of those countries yet still have a passport from those countries, who are now banned. Of course it sucks that if you had plans to study in the US, or visit family, that you are now banned from doing so. But it should never be taken for granted that you are allowed to go anywhere you like. I don't want random people entering my house uninvited, and I feel countries as a whole should have the same rights.
                It's fair to me to disagree with the policy, but I haven't read any alternative solutions, only complaints about it being racist or hateful. To me, it's such a cop-out to call it either a "Muslim ban" or "racist", when it really is a ban on certain countries. The only reason to call it either is so people emotionally choose your side over the other side.
                "I disagree with a ban of certain countries for 90 days" is not "inexcusable" in any way, and you would have to explain why you disagree to get people on your side. "I disagree with this blatant display of hate and racism" instantly gets people on your side, without having to explain why you feel that way. And at this point, I'm just tired of that shit.
                [–]RulerOfSlidesNJ 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
                Yeah, the biggest thing here - and what a lot of people are missing here - is that it's not a permanent ban from those 7 countries, it's a 90 day one.
                The whole purpose of this is to stop the influx for three months until a better vetting system can be installed, or the current vetting system can be improved upon to prevent (with high confidence) even the most remote possibility of terrorism leaking into our country.
                [–]Selthres1 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
                "Random people" apparently now means people who immigrated here legally.
                [–]After_IUSA 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
                I love Steven Crowder. His news show is one of the best.
                [–]aff_done 3 points4 points5 points  (2 children)
                See, this is where liberals create a very difficult - almost impossible - situation for us to fix.
                When you have open door immigration policies that turn into security disasters like we have now in the Western world, it makes you look like a heartless cunt to close the door again. Liberals take this moral high ground and use emotions to stop us from implementing common sense immigration policies.
                I'm genuinely sorry that some innocent refugees and migrants will suffer but it's the fault of YOU FUCKING IDIOTS for putting them in this situation to start with.
                [–]girlygirl2017 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)
                The United States already has a vetting process. It's not easy to come to America illegally. Pls don't blame other political parties because your president is making stupid decisions. This is his decision and his alone, this has nothing to do with liberals. I have friends who are immigrants, it is difficult to come to America illegally.
                Also explain why Saudi Arabia isn't banned if this is common sense politics? If we are using common sense, how is it that the country that gave us 9/11 isn't banned?
                [–]aff_done -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
                How can you look at the situation in Europe with the widespread rape and crimes since the refugee influx and not think there's a problem in need of an immediate solution?
                Open door policies DO NOT WORK. How dumb are you people? How many innocent people need to literally die before you come to your senses?
                I agree with you on Saudi and I hope that this is just the beginning. Trump needs to add them to the list as soon as possible.
                [–]MoarTendies 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
                What I don't understand is, why is he banning countries instead of religious preference? Couldn't the Muslims just fly to another country and then come over? We need a full ban imo.
                [–]Hostivit 3 points4 points5 points  (2 children)
                I don't really like the travel ban. Refugees - understandable. But ordinary citizens should be allowed/not allowed perhaps after throughout checks if they come from Syria etc, but blanket ban will hit many honest people.
                [–]NotEnoughVideoGamesGBR[S] 2 points3 points4 points  (1 child)
                Only Syrian refugee's are indefinitely banned. Everyone else has to wait 90 days for a background check to get a Visa.
                [–]Hostivit 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
                I know. Still seems somewhat excessive especially considering the many problematic countries that were not included. 90 days might cost you your job etc...
                [–]ClimateMasterUSCG 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
                They still need to ban Saudi Arabia.
                [–]RedPilledLiberalPA 1 point2 points3 points  (2 children)
                The list of countries being banned by Trump was not his idea. They were already drafted by Obama's administration in 2015: https://m.mic.com/articles/166845/the-list-of-muslim-countries-trump-wants-to-ban-was-compiled-by-the-obama-administration#.2o4AcTb2X
                [–]RedPilledLiberalPA 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
                Hey guys. Actually, it looks like Trump singled out Syria, not the other 6 countries. Banning from the other 6 countries were done by Obama.
                I've just skimmed through this article below. Sorry, I'm on mobile doing errands so I was only able to glance at this real quick. Let me know if you found something else.
                [–]RedPilledLiberalPA 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
                I don't know why Saudi Arabia and Pakistan are not on Trump's list. My guess is that since there was groundwork already on banning those 7 countries, the ban can start now. Perhaps Saudi Arabia and Pakistan will be added next? I'll be disappointed if they are not.
                [–]Henry_BurrisIL 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
                There are clearly a LOT of concern trolls here, with brand new accounts, talking about how they're blindsided that President Trump would cancel green cards, and keep people from immigrating from countries from where terrorists tend to come from, DESPITE THE FACT THAT HE'S SAID HE WOULD DO THIS, IN THE PAST.
                Either we have some dumbass supporters in here, or a bunch of young accounts spreading bullshit
                [–]MAGA2016andbeyondUSA 4 points5 points6 points  (3 children)
                At what % of population should we start banning immigrants from the likes of Germany and Sweden?
                [–]Tendstosaystupidshit 4 points5 points6 points  (2 children)
                When they start blowing our people up id imagine.
                [–]Crisgocentipede 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
                Correct. This is where people get it all wrong and it is up to us to correct people.
                [–]rghiuUSMC 1 point2 points3 points  (2 children)
                Trump Administration: We're going to temporarily place a moratorium on immigration from nations that have issues with terrorism until we can figure out how to properly vet these refugees. In the meantime, we'll work to establish safe zones in the Middle East to guarantee their safety.
                Leftists: OMG THEY'RE ROUNDING UP MUSLIMS AND SENDING THEM TO CONCENTRATION CAMPS
                Mainstream US Muslims who read MSM: Uh, what? That's kinda fucked up, should my family be worried about this?
                Leftists: OMG YES LITERALLY HITLER
                Mainstream US Muslims: Well shit I guess that's concerning.
                Leftists: OMG MUSLIMS ARE LITERALLY SHAKING RIGHT NOW
                [–]Sexyman469 3 points4 points5 points  (1 child)
                1. Persian citizens don't send over terrorists. By far the most westernized people in that region who have continuously protested against the government.
                2. The big deal is that they're stopping people who already have green cards or visas. My Persian friend who is doing a joint law program in Windsor and Michigan is worried that she won't be able to finish her program, let alone get back in the states for class come Monday. Hell, a director nominated for the Oscars can't get in the country now.
                Why is legal travel and immigration being restricted?
                [–]ImJustABill19 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
                Everyone seems to think it's a muslim ban...FAKE NEWS
                [–]hopefulpilgrim 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
                Leftists are freaking out about refugees being tested and turned away. The cowardly argument is that it's unconstitutional to deny refugees entry and doing so will makes Muslims angry and incite their anger and the likelihood that they will plan terror attacks in response.
                I may be wrong on this, I know I've been off before, but I was thinking this may be exactly the reason for the ban. What better way to draw the radicals out. Activate the sleeper cells maybe??
                [–]ZoticusTurpin 0 points1 point2 points  (2 children)
                I'd prefer a ban on islam. Fuck that religion. Nobody needs it.
                [–]ErectusPenor 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)
                One of my best friends is islamic and wouldn't hurt a fly. He's a god damn American
                [–]ZoticusTurpin -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
                Good for him. I hope he likes America, our ways, and doesn't expect that we have to suddenly make every fucking thing halal or in some way bow to islamic approved ways.
                [–]Barbed_Wire_Bat 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
                I am genuinely baffled and struggling to see the negatives in this that liberals keep claiming. They keep saying we are taking steps backwards and becoming an unwelcoming country!?! Dafuq are these people talking about. He is preventing people that hate the west and want to cause harm to Christian values from entering the country. This is a great move from President Trump.
                [–]CNN_fake_newsGA 1 point2 points3 points  (2 children)
                Not a Muslim ban, banning people coming from traditionally Muslim countries, which also happen to have a high rate of radicalism and terrorism.
                [–]happinessmachineIL 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
                But of course, there is no connection between high rates of Islam, and high rates of terrorism. NONE WHATSOEVER
                [–]freelollies[🍰] 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
                But Iran doesn't have a high rate of terrorism
                [–]TheeloutCAN 2 points3 points4 points  (1 child)
                DAE Think that Saudi Arabia should've been included on the ban? Time those assholes got what was coming to them!
                [–]poldicerUSA 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)

                https://sethfrantzman.com/2017/01/28/obamas-administration-made-the-muslim-ban-possible-and-the-media-wont-tell-you/

                https://www.cbp.gov/travel/international-visitors/visa-waiver-program/visa-waiver-program-improvement-and-terrorist-travel-prevention-act-faq

                2015 act and program signed by obama and passed by congress that gives the president the full power to do whatever they want with visas/admission of foreign nationals from these SEVEN countries: yemen, libya, iraq, iran, sudan, syria and somalia.
                “
                Are there any exceptions to the new eligibility requirements?
                Yes, the Act provides for limited exceptions to the restriction relating to prior travel to/physical presence in Iraq, Syria, Iran, Sudan, Libya, Somalia, or Yemen. If you have traveled to Iraq, Syria, Iran, Sudan, Libya, Somalia, or Yemen to represent your program country on official military orders or official government business, you may fall within an established exception to the new eligibility requirements.
                trump is using the powers granted to the president that obama/congress signed and passed in 2015!!! nice try troll!!! what do you have left to attack us with?
                [–]KrazyTrumpeter05VA 3 points4 points5 points  (1 child)
                No Saudi, no Pakistan is somewhat understandable. They are still key...not allies but, I don't know partners? for military operations in the Middle East. Frankly, we can't really afford just yet for them to pull the welcome mat out from under us.
                But...people with green cards and H1b visas and shit? I seriously fucking hope that's an oversight. I can't agree with that, at all.
                [–]RedPilledLiberalPA 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
                Hey guys. Actually, it looks like Trump singled out Syria, not the other 6 countries. Banning from the other 6 countries were done by Obama.
                I've just skimmed through this article below. Sorry, I'm on mobile doing errands so I was only able to glance at this real quick. Let me know if you found something else.
                [–]youregaylolTX 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
                mods are being lazy today, comment section is filled with concern trolls from cali, eu and canada.
                [–]Joinum5 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
                Illegal Muslim fart cucks.
                [–]jazzypants 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
                What about Saudi Arabia? You know, the country that practically founded Wahhabist terrorism and the home country of every single 9/11 hijacker? Why don't we ban them?
                [–]SupremeMystique 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
                There hasn't been an attack from a terrorist from those countries since the 70s. All the terrorist producing countries are not on the list.
                [–]SupremeMystique 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
                Saudi Arabia is not on the list. Just let that digest please.
                [–]ptisn1 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
                When do we ban immigration from Public Enemy Number One (aka the Wahhabists, aka Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Kuwait, UAE)?
                [–]silflayNJ 4 points5 points6 points  (2 children)
                From another post, I asked a similar question as to why some countries were not included (Saudi Arabia). I'm sure there are multiple reasons, but one could be this:
                It could be a way to ease the tension surrounding this ban by showing it was already partially in place by the last administration.
                [–]mandrousCA 1 point2 points3 points  (2 children)
                It warms my heart to see actual discussion and even some disagreement in this comment section. This proves we are better than the left. We don't blindly follow– we only agree with what we really think Makes America Great.
                [–]NotEnoughVideoGamesGBR[S] 2 points3 points4 points  (1 child)
                We criticise President Trump when he does something wrong. They criticise him because when peoples position is intellectually bankrupt they just attack.
                [–]mandrousCA 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
                Exactly. We judge Trump's actions based on their merit. They judge the actions based on who performed them.
                Case in Point: Pulling out of the TPP. Everyone hated it. Trump pulls out. Suddenly pulling out is the worst thing ever, merely because it was Trump who did it.
                [–]presidenttrump_2016LA 8 points9 points10 points  (2 children)
                A Muslim ban would be nice too.
                [–]N0w0rNever 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
                And even if, what would be wrong with it? Islam means Sharia Law which means Islam is unconstitutional!
                [–]idontthinksoredditISR 5 points6 points7 points  (2 children)
                I keep hearing this argument, but how could a Muslim refugee ban be unconstitutional though? I thought only citizens were covered under the constitution, and it doesn't grant rights to random Syrians.
                [–]DakrareVA 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)
                Our education system was taken over by leftists who promote globalism. 'Global citizen'. So our younger people think everyone is entitled to come to the U.S. Our young people have no idea what the rest of the world is like and think the people are just like they are in the West. Once they get older the majority wake up.
                Source: Was young in the U.S. I got better.
                Edit: I am leaning towards letting greencard holders back in. Some of them could have been innocently on vacation.
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                  [–]armed_diverPA 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
                  It's a ban in migrants/refugees that are sourced from countries known to a) harbor & train terrorists, b) want to kill Americans and c) have done absolutely nothing to stop either.
                  It just so happens that they are countries that have Islamic majorities.
                  [–]nnIuu 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
                  my biggest letdown by donald was when he softened on muslims.
                  their profit (lol) and role model was a mass murderer, pillager, rapist, enslaver, and conquerer. mohammed was very clear: islam is about war v.s. infidels.
                  ban all muslims immigration.
                  [–]Samael_7 1 point2 points3 points  (4 children)
                  For real. When the left calls it a Muslim ban they do the exact thing they say Trump is doing: legitimizing ISIS as leader of Islam. I dont think Trump has ever said it's a Muslim ban. Fucking Facepalm
                  [–]teedeepee 2 points3 points4 points  (3 children)
                  If talking about a Muslim ban is legitimizing ISIS, then he was the first one to do it a year ago.
                  [–]Samael_7 0 points1 point2 points  (2 children)
                  Perhaps he was the first to state it. Islam has an internal problem amongst a sizable portion of its population. Intelligence estimates say that 15-20% of Muslims are raised in radical schools of Islam. But anyways, back to referencing the video. I'm guessing that's all you heard and you have nothing to say about the statistics about Muslims believing violence against Americans is permissible.
                  It doesn't change the fact that the majority of Middle Eastern Muslims believe in Sharia law which has provisions for stoning people to death, beheadings and women that are raped needing 4 men to testify on their behalf in order to not be put to death for adultery. Sorry, but his executive order banning immigration and refugee status from countries, of which a few we have bombed, makes a lot of sense to me. Nobody wants radicals coming into the US and spreading their bullshit. Nobody wants the US to become like France or Germany where Sharia zones and Sharia Court jurisdiction is parallel or in some cases superseding state authority.
                  [–]teedeepee 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
                  So now I'm confused. First you said that calling this a Muslim ban was legitimizing ISIS and worthy of a facepalm. I showed you that Trump was the one who had been calling for a Muslim ban all along. Then you responded by using statistics painting Muslims with a broad brush (e.g. "15-20% of Muslims are raised in radical schools"?, Sharia jurisdictions in France and Germany, etc.), which would suggest that a broad ban is in order.
                  So are you for or against a Muslim ban?
                  Edit: to be clear I respect your opinion either way, just wanted to understand where you were going with these new arguments.
                  [–]Samael_7 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
                  I'm not sure he should have said that. Central Asian Muslim populations don't seem to have the same issues plaguing the Mideast and are by and large benign populations.
                  Well no, those aren't broad brush statements. One is an estimate by several intelligence services on the amount of radicalized Muslims. The other is a fact, they do have Sharia Jurisdictions/Courts in Germany for sure, France I have heard they do but I will have to find a source to confirm. The fact that anywhere upwards of 400 million were schooled in radical Islam is a cause of worry globally and I'd argue that it's foolish not to take it seriously.
                  I'm for a ban against immigrants from Iraq, Iran, Syria, Yemen, Somalia and Libya. Five of those countries we have bombed or carried out military operations in. Iran has held American hostages before as well. Plus they aren't honoring their nuclear agreement by way of non-compliance.
                  I don't know why Saudi Arabia and Qatar aren't on there though and that bothers me, they are also funding radical Islam and ISIS. Saudi Arabia spends 1 billion a year on funding Wahhabism schools across the globe.
                  I don't hate anyone on the left, I just personally think it's reckless to allow a bunch of people in from countries that we have been at war with and bombed or countries like Iran, that continually shout threats like death to America internationally.
                  [–]realnews4life 4 points5 points6 points  (1 child)
                  If this was a ban on terrorism, why is Saudi Arabia not on the list?
                  [–]poldicerUSA 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  https://sethfrantzman.com/2017/01/28/obamas-administration-made-the-muslim-ban-possible-and-the-media-wont-tell-you/

                  https://www.cbp.gov/travel/international-visitors/visa-waiver-program/visa-waiver-program-improvement-and-terrorist-travel-prevention-act-faq

                  2015 act and program signed by obama and passed by congress that gives the president the full power to do whatever they want with visas/admission of foreign nationals from these SEVEN countries: yemen, libya, iraq, iran, sudan, syria and somalia.
                  “
                  Are there any exceptions to the new eligibility requirements?
                  Yes, the Act provides for limited exceptions to the restriction relating to prior travel to/physical presence in Iraq, Syria, Iran, Sudan, Libya, Somalia, or Yemen. If you have traveled to Iraq, Syria, Iran, Sudan, Libya, Somalia, or Yemen to represent your program country on official military orders or official government business, you may fall within an established exception to the new eligibility requirements.
                  trump is using the powers granted to the president that obama/congress signed and passed in 2015!!! nice try troll!!! what do you have left to attack us with?
                  [–]lla26 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
                  And the ban is TEMPORARY
                  [–]mydogsfeetsmell 10 points11 points12 points  (2 children)
                  I don't see the point in pretending it's not a Muslim ban. Of course it is, and it's what DJT said he'd do. And it's why we voted for him
                  [–]smash-bros 6 points7 points8 points  (0 children)
                  Go fuck yourself, no it isn't. Nice try, troll.
                  [–]BloocrusaderCO -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
                  Because it's not widespread enough. I would love an actual Muslim ban though.
                  [–]TheSuperGSS 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
                  I <3 Crowder
                  [–]pizzicatoivIL 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
                  and at that, it's a temporary ban of 90 days to implement EXTREME VETTING for these and other relevant countries.
                  [–]MAGA8yearsPA 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
                  Well, it would be impossible to be simply say "ban Muslims". How would we do that? Make them fill out a survey on their religion affiliation if they choose to enter? You need to ban the countries they come from.
                  [–]jerkmachine 0 points1 point2 points  (2 children)
                  Anyone see the now locked thread about an oscar winning director not being able to travel to the US cuz of this ban? THE TRAVESTY!! a semi famous person can't come here, showcasing why the law isn't fair! Totally not an acceptable trade off!
                  Liberals are ridiculous. You have Muslim extremist leaders literally say they will take advantage of refugee Asylums to insert terror cells, Europe having extreme terrorism problems especially where there's open borders, and they're outraged a director can't come
                  [–]spookyskeletonSJW 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
                  Based Crowder! High Energy! Can't Stump the Trump! 10 MPH FASTER
                  [–]AreTacosCats 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
                  SA is next. Top kek
                  [–]SputnikSputnikowskyPOL 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
                  Love Crowder
                  [–]RadikalEUSWE 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
                  Very good. But where is Saudi Arabia?
                  [–]iconotastic 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
                  And, I believe, the ban is temporary (as President Trump said) until DHS can work out a way to effectively check out the refugees.
                  [–]ULN515 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
                  Love how liberal idiots are saying Iran shouldn't be on the list, like Jesus Hussein Christ didn't call Iran the "number one state sponsor of terror" for eight years. Why is everyone so fucking stupid?
                  [–]Carrythefire511 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
                  I respect trump and understand how SJWs can really be annoying asf but not a fan of this ban. IDK the whole details but it looks like some people who are legally residents here can't live here anymore. I also think none of the countries in this ban have not been relatated to any attack here in the U.S. Trust me not a Hilary supporter or Democrat but I respected Trump and understand people want to make America safe. Just think this plan is not as simple as people think because the last couple of attacks here in the U.S. have all been committed by U.S. citizens. FMO there should just be more security on Muslims coming here from any Muslim country and if they have some criminal record then they can't come here. I also think that many Women and Children should just come here instead of Men. I think these Muslim men just have too much of an ego to know they keep on ruining their families lives but also their whole religion. Reason why this is happening is because these terrosits can't stop killing their own people.
                  [–]Rurikton 1 point2 points3 points  (5 children)
                  What do people on this sub think about Saudi Arabia not being in the list?
                  [–]NotEnoughVideoGamesGBR[S] -1 points0 points1 point  (2 children)
                  Mate, there's like 150 comments about it.
                  [–]Carrythefire511 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
                  Yeah they had to be involved in 911 and none of the countries on this list has had any influence on terrorist attacks here in the U.S. Saudi Arabia I think are a bunch of lying scum and are the ones funding terrorism which is why we have to deal with this BS and make Muslims look bad. This where Crooked Hilary got funds from as well isn't it. I don't support this ban too much and they should just make immigration harder for muslims fmo.
                  [–]Yamaha234 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
                  Really not that difficult of a concept to grasp. If NeoNazis retook power in Germany, and were infiltrating America under the disguise that they were refugees, it wouldn't even be a question. The entire country would be onboard with stopping immigration.
                  [–]tilstevebuscemi 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
                  I wonder when the left will start trying to fix the negative perception of scientology in the media
                  [–]Kcee101FL 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
                  Ban saudis!
                  [–]TripleZetaX 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
                  I just don't see how this is going to be effective. 90 day ban? Okay, so sneak in on day 91.
                  Furthermore, it means that people fleeing from ISIS, who are from Christian, Yazidi, and other persecuted minority groups, will be turned away.
                  [–]SoSoRuthless 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)
                  Anyone know where I can read about this? I haven't heard too much about it yet and I'm interested.
                  [–]tj007s13 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
                  He needs to add Saudi Arabia to the list. They are the ones financially supporting terrorists organizations.
                  [–]Ur0sPwn 1 point2 points3 points  (2 children)
                  Why not saudi arabia though?
                  [–]dizzi800 1 point2 points3 points  (2 children)
                  Uhm... No one from those 7 countries have committed an attack that harmed americans and none from 9/11 were from those 7 countries
                  [–]illbebaack 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
                  It's funny what upsets the people who voted for Hillary and open borders is that Saudi Arabia isn't on the list. 🙃
                  [–]poldicerUSA 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)

                  https://www.cbp.gov/travel/international-visitors/visa-waiver-program/visa-waiver-program-improvement-and-terrorist-travel-prevention-act-faq

                  2015 act and program signed by obama and passed by congress that gives the president the full power to do whatever they want with visas/admission of foreign nationals from these SEVEN countries: yemen, libya, iraq, iran, sudan, syria and somalia.
                  “
                  Are there any exceptions to the new eligibility requirements?
                  Yes, the Act provides for limited exceptions to the restriction relating to prior travel to/physical presence in Iraq, Syria, Iran, Sudan, Libya, Somalia, or Yemen. If you have traveled to Iraq, Syria, Iran, Sudan, Libya, Somalia, or Yemen to represent your program country on official military orders or official government business, you may fall within an established exception to the new eligibility requirements.
                  [–]SugoiL0vePunch 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
                  Saudi Arabia needs to be banned too.
                  [–]snuffaluffagus-rex 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
                  zero fatal terror attacks on U.S. soil since 1975 by immigrants from the seven Muslim-majority countries Saudi Arabia, pakistan, egypt however (NOT INCLUDED IN BAN) http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/no-terror-attacks-muslim-ban-7-countries-trump_us_588b5a1fe4b0230ce61b4b93?ncid=tweetlnkushpmg00000016&section=politics
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                    [–]MAGA_MEGA_MANWA 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
                    I wish it was a total Muslim ban.
                    [–]Tendstosaystupidshit 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
                    Careful with those facts you might hurt someone.
                    [–]PoofythePuppy 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
                    It's unconstitutional according to Pence.
                    [–]santifc 5 points6 points7 points  (1 child)
                    And Saudi Arabia? And Pakistan? maybe those countries are not affected by the ban because Trump has hotels in them?
                    [–]TheBlackShit 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
                    Seriously, why is no one talking about this? Something something "echo chamber"?
                    [–]BloocrusaderCO 1 point2 points3 points  (6 children)
                    I wish it was a Muslim ban tho
                    [–]DRMOOMOO420PAK 1 point2 points3 points  (5 children)
                    So all people from Muslim countries or Muslims from Muslim countries or Muslims from all non-US countries or all Muslims including US citizens?
                    [–]BloocrusaderCO 0 points1 point2 points  (4 children)
                    For all Muslims who aren't already US citizens.
                    [–]DRMOOMOO420PAK 1 point2 points3 points  (3 children)
                    What about green card holder or other visa holder?
                    [–]BloocrusaderCO -1 points0 points1 point  (2 children)
                    IDK about green card holders, but they shouldn't get their Visas renewed
                    [–]DRMOOMOO420PAK 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
                    Fair enough. Have a nice day friend :)
                    [–]freelollies[🍰] 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
                    Why is that?
                    [–]SpilledMyLasagne 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
                    What's that about America being the land of Liberty and freedom???
                    [–]4trump20 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
                    in a turn of events surprising absolutely no one,it turns out the_donald is filled with cucks!
                    ayy lmao
                    "y-you've gone to far donald!"
                    ahahahahhaah
                    [–]SoveraigneOR 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
                    Crowder is extremely based.
                    THIS MAN IS WHY I'M A CONSERVATIVE TODAY!
                    [–]FAKE_NEWS_ARMY 0 points1 point2 points  (4 children)

                    RADICAL ISLAMIC TERRORISM

                    I am seriously happy with President Trump on this.
                    [–]dodoring 10 points11 points12 points  (1 child)
                    Yes I'm glad terrorists are banned, but this order includes LEGAL immigrants including H1b holders, student visas, AND LEGAL RESIDENTS of the United States. Not just refugees. This is confusing and troubling to be honest.
                    [–]FAKE_NEWS_ARMY 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
                    Native born American Citizens have nothing to worry about.
                    [–]girlygirl2017 2 points3 points4 points  (1 child)
                    Pls explain why Saudi Arabia isn't banned if this is common sense politics? If we are using common sense, how is it that the country that gave us 9/11 isn't
                    [–]FAKE_NEWS_ARMY 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
                    I will explain it quickly. My thought is since we have agreements with SA through OPEC, we may not be able to deconflict our need for oil versus our need for safety. Saudi Arabia will likely get added to the list in time. The reason it wasn't added yet might of been a typo?
                    Ask me again after Ramadan. The list is nowhere near complete.
                    [–]iamaiamscat 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
                    Then why did Trump specifically say he wants to prioritize Christian refugees over Muslim refugees? He said exactly that.....
                    [–]Hertez 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)
                    No Pakistan or Saudi Arabia? What do you guys think? This is ridiculous
                    [–]poldicerUSA 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)

                    https://sethfrantzman.com/2017/01/28/obamas-administration-made-the-muslim-ban-possible-and-the-media-wont-tell-you/

                    https://www.cbp.gov/travel/international-visitors/visa-waiver-program/visa-waiver-program-improvement-and-terrorist-travel-prevention-act-faq

                    2015 act and program signed by obama and passed by congress that gives the president the full power to do whatever they want with visas/admission of foreign nationals from these SEVEN countries: yemen, libya, iraq, iran, sudan, syria and somalia.
                    “
                    Are there any exceptions to the new eligibility requirements?
                    Yes, the Act provides for limited exceptions to the restriction relating to prior travel to/physical presence in Iraq, Syria, Iran, Sudan, Libya, Somalia, or Yemen. If you have traveled to Iraq, Syria, Iran, Sudan, Libya, Somalia, or Yemen to represent your program country on official military orders or official government business, you may fall within an established exception to the new eligibility requirements.
                    trump is using the powers granted to the president that obama/congress signed and passed in 2015!!! nice try troll!!! what do you have left to attack us with?
                    [–]ff0000_herringNZL 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)
                    The choice of the countries is strange though. Iran (who have admittedly a cuntish government, but really nice folk for a population), but not Saudi Arabia or PA/Gaza (a veritable bunch of cunts).
                    [–]Jimmie_James -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
                    I just started watching his YouTube channel a few days ago
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                      [–]mydogsfeetsmell 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
                      Why are we letting people stay in the US if they happen to be there? If it's dangerous for them to enter -- visa, green card, dual citizen, whatever -- then why is it not dangerous to stay here?
                      [–]polisalwaysright2RUS 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
                      Crowder is a cuckservative.
                      [–]Caleb902 0 points1 point2 points  (2 children)
                      Yes. Judge a whole people on what country they come from. I don't care about your unfalting love for donald, but come on. That's wrong.
                      [–]NotEnoughVideoGamesGBR[S] 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
                      Judge them on what their background check turns up.
                      [–]cmjeffrey84 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
                      Dude I think you need to take a vacation to the Middle East and see if they are as emotionally minded as you.
                      [–]mr_teacher_guy 0 points1 point2 points  (3 children)
                      But somehow Saudi Arabia didn't make the list. I sometimes worry Trump might be bought.
                      [–]4trump20 -1 points0 points1 point  (1 child)
                      yea,it's weird how places where we have military bases aren't on the list
                      you're fucking stupid
                      [–]mr_teacher_guy 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
                      But if this is a true attempt to curtail foreign terrorism, why not ban immigration from the country whence the 9/11 pilots came?
                      [–]poldicerUSA -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)

                      https://sethfrantzman.com/2017/01/28/obamas-administration-made-the-muslim-ban-possible-and-the-media-wont-tell-you/

                      https://www.cbp.gov/travel/international-visitors/visa-waiver-program/visa-waiver-program-improvement-and-terrorist-travel-prevention-act-faq

                      2015 act and program signed by obama and passed by congress that gives the president the full power to do whatever they want with visas/admission of foreign nationals from these SEVEN countries: yemen, libya, iraq, iran, sudan, syria and somalia.
                      “
                      Are there any exceptions to the new eligibility requirements?
                      Yes, the Act provides for limited exceptions to the restriction relating to prior travel to/physical presence in Iraq, Syria, Iran, Sudan, Libya, Somalia, or Yemen. If you have traveled to Iraq, Syria, Iran, Sudan, Libya, Somalia, or Yemen to represent your program country on official military orders or official government business, you may fall within an established exception to the new eligibility requirements.
                      trump is using the powers granted to the president that obama/congress signed and passed in 2015!!! nice try troll!!! what do you have left to attack us with?
                      [–]throwaway_random6 1 point2 points3 points  (2 children)
                      “
                      There is a ban on 7 Islamic countries from which terrorists and radicals have already harmed Western world.
                      Such as Chechnya/Russia, where the Boston bombers were from.
                      Or Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, Egypt, or Lebanon where the 9/11 hijackers were from.
                      Or Pakistan, or Bangladesh,...
                      You know what? Not one fatal terrorist attack in the US since (and including) 9/11 was from any of the banned countries. Meanwhile, the countries that finance the global terror campaign against the west (such as Saudi Arabia) are left unharmed. But The Donald knows his base. Not one of you knows enough geography to distinguish one muslim country from another. I know it's true. You know it's true.
                      [–]poldicerUSA -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)

                      https://sethfrantzman.com/2017/01/28/obamas-administration-made-the-muslim-ban-possible-and-the-media-wont-tell-you/

                      https://www.cbp.gov/travel/international-visitors/visa-waiver-program/visa-waiver-program-improvement-and-terrorist-travel-prevention-act-faq

                      2015 act and program signed by obama and passed by congress that gives the president the full power to do whatever they want with visas/admission of foreign nationals from these SEVEN countries: yemen, libya, iraq, iran, sudan, syria and somalia.
                      “
                      Are there any exceptions to the new eligibility requirements?
                      Yes, the Act provides for limited exceptions to the restriction relating to prior travel to/physical presence in Iraq, Syria, Iran, Sudan, Libya, Somalia, or Yemen. If you have traveled to Iraq, Syria, Iran, Sudan, Libya, Somalia, or Yemen to represent your program country on official military orders or official government business, you may fall within an established exception to the new eligibility requirements.
                      trump is using the powers granted to the president that obama/congress signed and passed in 2015!!! nice try troll!!! what do you have left to attack us with?
                      [–]hotshot0123TX 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
                      There never has been a terrorist attack by a Bangladeshi on the West, AFIK.
                      [–]er0hUSA 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
                      Are they banning all Muslims from entering the country and the other 6 countries?
                      [–]InitiumNovum -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
                      Yeah, but there should be a Muslim ban. Trump needs to deliver on this promise.
                      [–]Vlad_Russian_LadRUS -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
                      It should have been a full muslim ban. That is what I voted for.
                      But I will take this as a big league start.
                      [–]-Reactionary_Vizier-UK -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
                      There is a partial de facto Muslim ban. And there damn well should be!
                      [–][deleted]  (2 children)
                      [deleted]
                        [–]TripleKfiend 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
                        It should be a muslim ban, and make it fucking permament too.
                        [–]trololllllllllllllll 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
                        NO SAUDI ARABIA THO LUL!!!
                        [–]poldicerUSA 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)

                        https://sethfrantzman.com/2017/01/28/obamas-administration-made-the-muslim-ban-possible-and-the-media-wont-tell-you/

                        https://www.cbp.gov/travel/international-visitors/visa-waiver-program/visa-waiver-program-improvement-and-terrorist-travel-prevention-act-faq

                        2015 act and program signed by obama and passed by congress that gives the president the full power to do whatever they want with visas/admission of foreign nationals from these SEVEN countries: yemen, libya, iraq, iran, sudan, syria and somalia.
                        “
                        Are there any exceptions to the new eligibility requirements?
                        Yes, the Act provides for limited exceptions to the restriction relating to prior travel to/physical presence in Iraq, Syria, Iran, Sudan, Libya, Somalia, or Yemen. If you have traveled to Iraq, Syria, Iran, Sudan, Libya, Somalia, or Yemen to represent your program country on official military orders or official government business, you may fall within an established exception to the new eligibility requirements.
                        trump is using the powers granted to the president that obama/congress signed and passed in 2015!!! nice try troll!!! what do you have left to attack us with?
                        [–]Nw5gooner 0 points1 point2 points  (3 children)
                        Hi. Englishman here. I guess I'm ignorant but could one of you kindly enlighten me as to how this statement applies to Iran?
                        Thanks
                        [–]dontkillgamefishOH 0 points1 point2 points  (2 children)
                        They support Shiite terrorist groups in the Middle East. Hezbollah, Palestinian groups, and Shiite extremism in Iraq. Groups like Jaysh Al-Mahdi who fought Coalition forces during the Iraq war.
                        [–]Nw5gooner 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
                        Thanks.
                        Sorry if I appear uninformed but did any of those groups that they're alleged to have supported conduct attacks in the West?
                        Or is the 'already harmed the western world' part just a loose connection to the economic fallout of the instability in the middle east? I'm assuming it can't be referring to the combat with western forces on Iraqi soil that you mentioned.
                        Unless Iranian nationals were directly involved in attacks on American soil then his statement appears fairly misleading to me.
                        [–]poldicerUSA 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)

                        https://sethfrantzman.com/2017/01/28/obamas-administration-made-the-muslim-ban-possible-and-the-media-wont-tell-you/

                        https://www.cbp.gov/travel/international-visitors/visa-waiver-program/visa-waiver-program-improvement-and-terrorist-travel-prevention-act-faq

                        2015 act and program signed by obama and passed by congress that gives the president the full power to do whatever they want with visas/admission of foreign nationals from these SEVEN countries: yemen, libya, iraq, iran, sudan, syria and somalia.
                        “
                        Are there any exceptions to the new eligibility requirements?
                        Yes, the Act provides for limited exceptions to the restriction relating to prior travel to/physical presence in Iraq, Syria, Iran, Sudan, Libya, Somalia, or Yemen. If you have traveled to Iraq, Syria, Iran, Sudan, Libya, Somalia, or Yemen to represent your program country on official military orders or official government business, you may fall within an established exception to the new eligibility requirements.
                        trump is using the powers granted to the president that obama/congress signed and passed in 2015!!! nice try troll!!! what do you have left to attack us with?
                        [–]treehorn_thugUSAF 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)

                        SO MANY "WHAT DO YOU GUISE THINK" COMMENTS IN THIS DOM TODAY! CUCKS AND SHILLS ON PARADE.

                        [–]Shank_Bear 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
                        I'm impressed at the comments disagreeing with not banning SA and Pakistan and the fact that it affects legal residents of the country. For god's sake do you really think the people that helped the USA abroad as translators deserve to be detained and separated from their spouses in the US?
                        [–]KareemCorn 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
                        We should close the mosques in the U.S. as well. Just a breeding ground for peaceful mass murderers.
                        [–]starspider 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
                        Okay but why isn't Saudi Arabia on the list? The 9/11 attackers were actually from there and Egypt, which is also not on the list.
                        Look, if you're going to lock down international travel from nations with bad terrorism problems and sectarian violence, only doing some of them is stupid.
                        [–]NotEnoughVideoGamesGBR[S] 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
                        Hi guys.
                        I keep getting comments about why President Trump hasn't extended the restrictions to Saudi Arabia and Pakistan. The reason is that aside from Syrian refugees the order doesn't refer to any specific group or country that should be banned. The list of countries is taken from the Visa Waiver Program Improvement and Terrorist Travel Prevention Act. You can read about it here:
                        My thanks to /u/poldicer for the link.
                        [–]LaughingoldwomanCA 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
                        This comment section is hysterical, user poldicer playing troll whackamole. keep it up pede you ae doing a great job!!
                        [–]FuckCommando -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
                        The onus is on them to rein their radical hoodlums.
                        It is not America's working class' job to filtrate scum.
                        One in three immigrants left America before we had welfare.
                        Welfare is poison. Poison to blacks. Blacks have become poison to white society.
                        [–]UltraSuperSofts -1 points0 points1 point  (1 child)
                        Wait until this spawns actual terrorist attacks in america and someone kills your family. Then remember who was responsible! You and your support for trump!
                        [–]Captain-Slug 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
                        “
                        Wait until this spawns actual terrorist attacks in america and someone kills your family. Then remember who was responsible!
                        The terrorists?
                        [–]EmuVerges 0 points1 point2 points  (2 children)
                        What about Saudi Arabia or Pakistan ? Why aren't they on the list even though many terrorist attacks on US soil have been perpetrated by people from these countries?
                        [–]RedPilledLiberalPA 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
                        Hey guys. Actually, it looks like Trump singled out Syria, not the other 6 countries. Banning from the other 6 countries were done by Obama.
                        I've just skimmed through this article below. Sorry, I'm on mobile doing errands so I was only able to glance at this real quick. Let me know if you found something else.
                        [–]poldicerUSA 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)

                        https://sethfrantzman.com/2017/01/28/obamas-administration-made-the-muslim-ban-possible-and-the-media-wont-tell-you/

                        https://www.cbp.gov/travel/international-visitors/visa-waiver-program/visa-waiver-program-improvement-and-terrorist-travel-prevention-act-faq

                        2015 act and program signed by obama and passed by congress that gives the president the full power to do whatever they want with visas/admission of foreign nationals from these SEVEN countries: yemen, libya, iraq, iran, sudan, syria and somalia.
                        “
                        Are there any exceptions to the new eligibility requirements?
                        Yes, the Act provides for limited exceptions to the restriction relating to prior travel to/physical presence in Iraq, Syria, Iran, Sudan, Libya, Somalia, or Yemen. If you have traveled to Iraq, Syria, Iran, Sudan, Libya, Somalia, or Yemen to represent your program country on official military orders or official government business, you may fall within an established exception to the new eligibility requirements.
                        trump is using the powers granted to the president that obama/congress signed and passed in 2015!!! nice try troll!!! what do you have left to attack us with?
                        [–]TheVolmannBrothersTN 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
                        Reuters is reporting that people with green cards aren't being let back in.
                        That's really fucked up.
                        [–]ColeKinghorn 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
                        He trapped half a million US citizens, greencard holders, and students in the middle east for the next 3 months. Iraq shouldn't be on the list, as many Iraqis work with the United States and Eastern Iraq is somewhat stable. Iran shouldn't be on the list either, and should be replaced with Saudi Arabia.
                        [–]Future17 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
                        And yet Crowder was a piece of shit NeverTrumper and thought he would lose.
                        [–]ff0000_herringNZL 0 points1 point2 points  (2 children)
                        As a Trump supporter, IMHO this has not been thought through. Legal permanent residents should not have been blocked. In its present form it only gives ammunition to cucks.
                        [–]poldicerUSA 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)

                        https://sethfrantzman.com/2017/01/28/obamas-administration-made-the-muslim-ban-possible-and-the-media-wont-tell-you/

                        https://www.cbp.gov/travel/international-visitors/visa-waiver-program/visa-waiver-program-improvement-and-terrorist-travel-prevention-act-faq

                        2015 act and program signed by obama and passed by congress that gives the president the full power to do whatever they want with visas/admission of foreign nationals from these SEVEN countries: yemen, libya, iraq, iran, sudan, syria and somalia.
                        “
                        Are there any exceptions to the new eligibility requirements?
                        Yes, the Act provides for limited exceptions to the restriction relating to prior travel to/physical presence in Iraq, Syria, Iran, Sudan, Libya, Somalia, or Yemen. If you have traveled to Iraq, Syria, Iran, Sudan, Libya, Somalia, or Yemen to represent your program country on official military orders or official government business, you may fall within an established exception to the new eligibility requirements.
                        trump is using the powers granted to the president that obama/congress signed and passed in 2015!!! nice try troll!!! what do you have left to attack us with?
                        [–]ff0000_herringNZL 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
                        So now I am a troll. Isn't that nice.
                        You have not addressed the concern re: people already having their green cards and permanently living in the US (legally) though.
                        [–]mr_BraxxVA 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
                        But not Saudi Arabia for some reason
                        [–]Idntknwagoodusername -1 points0 points1 point  (2 children)
                        Its banning people from coming into the fucking country. It is literally 'banning muslims'. This ban literally targets people with green cards, these people aren't fucking illegal immigrants. Mango Mussolini isn't targeting only illegal immigrants. Fuck this shitty justification, fuck that tweet fuck this thought process.This shit is (unsurprisingly, considering the people this EO is coming from) terrifying.
                        [–]poldicerUSA -1 points0 points1 point  (1 child)

                        https://sethfrantzman.com/2017/01/28/obamas-administration-made-the-muslim-ban-possible-and-the-media-wont-tell-you/

                        https://www.cbp.gov/travel/international-visitors/visa-waiver-program/visa-waiver-program-improvement-and-terrorist-travel-prevention-act-faq

                        2015 act and program signed by obama and passed by congress that gives the president the full power to do whatever they want with visas/admission of foreign nationals from these SEVEN countries: yemen, libya, iraq, iran, sudan, syria and somalia.
                        “
                        Are there any exceptions to the new eligibility requirements?
                        Yes, the Act provides for limited exceptions to the restriction relating to prior travel to/physical presence in Iraq, Syria, Iran, Sudan, Libya, Somalia, or Yemen. If you have traveled to Iraq, Syria, Iran, Sudan, Libya, Somalia, or Yemen to represent your program country on official military orders or official government business, you may fall within an established exception to the new eligibility requirements.
                        trump is using the powers granted to the president that obama/congress signed and passed in 2015!!! nice try troll!!! what do you have left to attack us with? blame obama, if you want to blame someone!
                        [–]Idntknwagoodusername 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
                        you're right i am trolling, was expecting to get banned by now. I never once supported Obama's decision with the VWP in my comment. Not even close. But Trump supporters always have to fall back on "but but hillary/obama" because this type shit trump does isn't defensible.
                        He's still extending this power to prejudicial extents, and and he just randomly chose countries, with no real transparency. If it was anti-terrorism, then why not block Saudi Arabia? Business ties/generally not wanting to piss off Saudi Arabia b/c their oil and all that. It's not for terrorism only, it's not only for illegal immigrant, what the fuck is the point of this? What the fuck is the point of the wall? Shit's terrible.
                        [–]BaddoSpiritoTUR -5 points-4 points-3 points  (0 children)
                        There SHOULD be a Muslim ban instead if you ask me. Why ban non-Muslims just because they have citizenship of a Muslim-majority country while you let in Muslims from Europe etc.? I understand there may be practical issues with banning Muslims but this isn't really a solution.
                        [–]cocaine_boys -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
                        Yeah that's too bad, would have loved to see that harmful foreign ideology get the axe.
                        [–]Dubababa2222 -4 points-3 points-2 points  (1 child)

                        CROWDER BENDS KNEE

                        [–]HenTheBenMD 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
                        Crowder likes Trump. He isn't a massive fan but I'm pretty sure he supports Trump
                        [–][deleted]  (1 child)
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                          [–]Goldmoo2 -1 points0 points1 point  (2 children)
                          On a real note, I don't understand this executive order? Why does it ban green card holders that have already been living / working in this country for years? My friends grandfather often visits his family in Somalia, and is there now, and he apparently won't be able to re enter the US?
                          I'm not looking for an argument or anything here but I'm just wondering what's the reasoning behind this? With a Republican dominated Congress, these things don't need to be rushed and can be thought out more thoroughly and made into laws, not executive orders.
                          Just wondering if you guys had any insight on why the current green card holders part was added to this.
                          [–]poldicerUSA 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)

                          https://sethfrantzman.com/2017/01/28/obamas-administration-made-the-muslim-ban-possible-and-the-media-wont-tell-you/

                          https://www.cbp.gov/travel/international-visitors/visa-waiver-program/visa-waiver-program-improvement-and-terrorist-travel-prevention-act-faq

                          2015 act and program signed by obama and passed by congress that gives the president the full power to do whatever they want with visas/admission of foreign nationals from these SEVEN countries: yemen, libya, iraq, iran, sudan, syria and somalia.
                          “
                          Are there any exceptions to the new eligibility requirements?
                          Yes, the Act provides for limited exceptions to the restriction relating to prior travel to/physical presence in Iraq, Syria, Iran, Sudan, Libya, Somalia, or Yemen. If you have traveled to Iraq, Syria, Iran, Sudan, Libya, Somalia, or Yemen to represent your program country on official military orders or official government business, you may fall within an established exception to the new eligibility requirements.
                          trump is using the powers granted to the president that obama/congress signed and passed in 2015!!! nice try troll!!! what do you have left to attack us with?
                          [–]Goldmoo2 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
                          But hes not there for business or government needs, I know he's there for family. This isn't a troll this a serious question. And if this has to go through places like Saudi Arabia need to be on the list no matter how bad we need their oil / if Trump has business there. It puzzles me.
                          [–]tinyturtletricycle -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
                          Sincere question: so, technically anyone from Syria is banned from entering the US?
                          NYT and others are obviously calling this a Muslim ban, but wouldn't Christians or Jews or atheists also be banned, if they come from Syria?
                          Or am I getting this wrong?
                          [–]kharper4289OR -1 points0 points1 point  (3 children)
                          Can anyone enlighten me as to why Saudi Arabia is not included? Serious question not pandering to libtards
                          [–]poldicerUSA 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)

                          https://sethfrantzman.com/2017/01/28/obamas-administration-made-the-muslim-ban-possible-and-the-media-wont-tell-you/

                          https://www.cbp.gov/travel/international-visitors/visa-waiver-program/visa-waiver-program-improvement-and-terrorist-travel-prevention-act-faq

                          2015 act and program signed by obama and passed by congress that gives the president the full power to do whatever they want with visas/admission of foreign nationals from these SEVEN countries: yemen, libya, iraq, iran, sudan, syria and somalia.
                          “
                          Are there any exceptions to the new eligibility requirements?
                          Yes, the Act provides for limited exceptions to the restriction relating to prior travel to/physical presence in Iraq, Syria, Iran, Sudan, Libya, Somalia, or Yemen. If you have traveled to Iraq, Syria, Iran, Sudan, Libya, Somalia, or Yemen to represent your program country on official military orders or official government business, you may fall within an established exception to the new eligibility requirements.
                          trump is using the powers granted to the president that obama/congress signed and passed in 2015!!! nice try troll!!! what do you have left to attack us with?
                          [–]usrname_alreadytaken -1 points0 points1 point  (1 child)
                          He has business there.
                          [–]poldicerUSA 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)

                          https://sethfrantzman.com/2017/01/28/obamas-administration-made-the-muslim-ban-possible-and-the-media-wont-tell-you/

                          https://www.cbp.gov/travel/international-visitors/visa-waiver-program/visa-waiver-program-improvement-and-terrorist-travel-prevention-act-faq

                          2015 act and program signed by obama and passed by congress that gives the president the full power to do whatever they want with visas/admission of foreign nationals from these SEVEN countries: yemen, libya, iraq, iran, sudan, syria and somalia.
                          “
                          Are there any exceptions to the new eligibility requirements?
                          Yes, the Act provides for limited exceptions to the restriction relating to prior travel to/physical presence in Iraq, Syria, Iran, Sudan, Libya, Somalia, or Yemen. If you have traveled to Iraq, Syria, Iran, Sudan, Libya, Somalia, or Yemen to represent your program country on official military orders or official government business, you may fall within an established exception to the new eligibility requirements.
                          trump is using the powers granted to the president that obama/congress signed and passed in 2015!!! nice try troll!!! what do you have left to attack us with?
                          [–]4trump20 -2 points-1 points0 points  (0 children)
                          G-GUY HOW COME HE ISN'T BANNING PEOPLE FROM STRATEGIC GEOPOLITICAL ALLIES!!!!!
                          I AM WITH HER NOW!!!!
                          lol,some of you are embarrassingly stupid
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