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/r/politics is brigading...why is this manipulation allowed? (self.conspiracy)
bitcoin_noob が 10時間前 投稿
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/5qm9j4/kgb_chief_linked_to_trump_file_found_dead/
Check out the post history of the top commentators who have come here to push this pro 'Russian hacking' narrative with a strong hint of 'Pizzagate is totally fake'.
They are all from /r/politics. All of Reddit knows that sub is a bizarre world of paid shills.
[–]WooTs_67 152 ポイント153 ポイント154 ポイント 10時間前 (98子コメント)
This isn't the first time they've done this.
Honestly, reddit admins have threatened to shut down the_donald for brigading, it has been proven that /r/politics have done this twice before here in this sub
Shut /r/politics down
[–]neatntidy 95 ポイント96 ポイント97 ポイント 6時間前 (23子コメント)
I remember when /conspiracy wasn't full of partisan bullshit.
[–]DeafDumbBlindBoy 29 ポイント30 ポイント31 ポイント 3時間前 (0子コメント)
I remember when /conspiracy correctly identified that the problem in American Government is a bi-partisan problem.
That was then and also now. /Conspiracy hasn't changed, /politics has.
[–]spezzingout 24 ポイント25 ポイント26 ポイント 5時間前 (19子コメント)
I remember when /r/conspiracy wasn't full of people constantly whining about the sub being partisan. Go back to your sub.
[–]Elmo_Tully 44 ポイント45 ポイント46 ポイント 5時間前 (18子コメント)
/r/conspiracy has pretty much turned into /r/politics... For us non American conspiracy guys it's a bit dull. Where's my Annunaki/Archon fix??
[–]TenaTurner 10 ポイント11 ポイント12 ポイント 4時間前 (8子コメント)
ive never heard of the archon thing what is that?
[–]ElderPhoenix86 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 2時間前 (4子コメント)
Vibrational entities that run everything behind the scenes sucking off humanities life energies -_-.
[–]theeophilus 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 1時間前 (1子コメント)
Vibrational entities that run everything behind the scenes sucking off humanities life energies
ALLEGEDLY :y
[–]ElderPhoenix86 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 1時間前 (0子コメント)
Doesn't everyone in this subreddit know nothing can be proven and everything is alleged -_-
[–]theeophilus 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 1時間前 (1子コメント)
http://gnosis.org/naghamm/hypostas.html
tl;dr - a warmed-over gnostic heresy (but i repeat myself)
[–]freedmason 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 1時間前 (0子コメント)
It is an important document to understanding modern esoteric Christianity, though.
[–]freedmason 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 1時間前 (0子コメント)
A half truth designed to divert attention.
[–]machocamacho88 16 ポイント17 ポイント18 ポイント 3時間前 (5子コメント)
So says the Trump supporters.....and /r/conspiracy has turned into /r/the_donald, says the Hillary hypocrites. The vast majority of us are part of neither of those camps.
[–]Sharobob 3 ポイント4 ポイント5 ポイント 1時間前 (3子コメント)
I'd be fine with that if the sub didn't completely suppress discussion on the trump dossier. A foreign government colluding with a candidate and his staff to get him elected in exchange for ownership rights in a state-owned oil company? Russians having leverage over our new president and having the "strong-man" president be screwing with all of our allies except for Russia who he has decided to remove sanctions on for no stated reason.
On top of that the former KGB general who helped put together the dossier was found murdered in his car. Why does this sub not care about that? Even if not proven yet it is prime conspiracy material!
[–]archiesteel 6 ポイント7 ポイント8 ポイント 1時間前 (2子コメント)
This does suggest the mods are controlled by the Russian government and/or Trump's team.
[–]Sharobob 4 ポイント5 ポイント6 ポイント 1時間前 (1子コメント)
Many of the mods of this sub are T_D posters so it's not a surprise.
[–]Kind_Of_A_Dick [スコア非表示] 4分前 (0子コメント)
Yup, at least some of the mods are shills with the obvious agenda of suppressing information that goes against the narrative they want. I really would like to know which mod tagged the first huge dossier post with 4chan hoax.
[–]Kind_Of_A_Dick [スコア非表示] 8分前 (0子コメント)
I wouldn't mind self tagging of posts along with filtering of tags.
[–]caveman1337 3 ポイント4 ポイント5 ポイント 3時間前 (0子コメント)
You help shape this sub. You want to start conversations about non-American conspiracies, start a thread. Sounds pretty interesting tbh
[–]BigPharmaSucks 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 4時間前 (0子コメント)
Check out /r/highstrangeness
Haha, irregular voting patterns all over this post.
From a guy constantly pushing Archons and David Icke...
It's outside agitators.
[–]HarryParatesties 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 1時間前 (0子コメント)
I remember when a nickle would get you a handjob and a loaf of bread.
[–]HarryParatesties 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 1時間前 (0子コメント)
Reddit never shuts down its pet projects, look at srs a few years ago. They were doxxing and brigading but no, let them stay. Strange isn't it?
[–]G_Petronius 7 ポイント8 ポイント9 ポイント 4時間前 (4子コメント)
/r/the_donald was forbidden from making any mention of /r/politics. /r/politics should be forbidden from making any mention of /r/the_donald and, since they can't stop brigading it, /r/conspiracy. It's only fair.
[–]Mike_McDermott -1 ポイント0 ポイント1 ポイント 2時間前 (3子コメント)
Do you get the same brigading problem at uncensorednews?
[–]G_Petronius 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 2時間前 (2子コメント)
We used to in our early months, not anymore though.
[–]Mike_McDermott -1 ポイント0 ポイント1 ポイント 2時間前 (0子コメント)
Keep up the good work.
[–][削除されました] 4時間前 (15子コメント)
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[–]Th_rowAwayAccount 16 ポイント17 ポイント18 ポイント 4時間前 (5子コメント)
They aren't. You are concern trolling.
[–]Zanis45 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 1時間前 (0子コメント)
Not to mention /u/whitepalms85 posts in /r/politics and /r/polticalhumor himself so of course he would defend them.
[–][削除されました] 3時間前* (1子コメント)
[–]machocamacho88 5 ポイント6 ポイント7 ポイント 3時間前 (0子コメント)
What's going on in one thread? Sorry, we don't profess to control the narrative here like it is controlled in other subs (i.e.: /r/politics).
[–]freedmason 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 1時間前 (0子コメント)
And all of the concern trolling posts have irregular voting patterns. Jump to +5 within a few minutes, jumping past top posts in a falling OP...
[–]KingJames19 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 2時間前 (7子コメント)
Lol come the fuck on with this nonsense. Think bigger, move beyond politics. Your concern makes you stick out like a sore thumb
[–]rpratt34 5 ポイント6 ポイント7 ポイント 2時間前 (6子コメント)
I mean he is thinking bigger. There are legitimate concerns regarding past relationships with Russia and the current president. I think people have a right to question things like this. Honestly this has "almost" as much evidence as pizzagate does. It is slightly concerning that one gets so much more attention then the other when this sub is about unveiling conspiracies regardless of the political spectrum it falls under.
[–]Madwack 5 ポイント6 ポイント7 ポイント 4時間前 (1子コメント)
let them brigade it wont make F*** all of a difference.
[–]CarpenterWalrus 5 ポイント6 ポイント7 ポイント 3時間前 (0子コメント)
Can you not say Fuck?
[–]Fart_McFart_Fart 11 ポイント12 ポイント13 ポイント 10時間前 (43子コメント)
Shut both of them down. They're both annoying echo chambers that do nothing but try to push their narrative onto everybody else. Fuck both of those places tbqh.
[–]aaaaa2222 68 ポイント69 ポイント70 ポイント 9時間前 (41子コメント)
The_donald was created to be an echo chamber, no different from any subreddit dedicated to a single person.
"Politics" is a noun,
Is t_d run by some out of control mods? Absolutely. Have reddit admins done everything in its power to prevent t_d from showing up on the front page. 100%.
Where is the admin reaction to r-politics? Once again, a subreddit built from a noun.
[–]AdamMorrisonHotel 27 ポイント28 ポイント29 ポイント 4時間前 (20子コメント)
"Politics" is a noun
So is "conspiracy." If y'all just went with /r/protrumpconspiracy, this sub would be less of a joke. Seriously, right now your front page is: one post about the dead KGB agent, 5 posts complaining about the post about the dead KGB agent, and like 10 posts about fucking Pizzagate. Calling other subs "echo chambers" in a thread that perfectly illustrates how this place has transformed into t_d v2.0 is pretty rich.
[–]Zanis45 -1 ポイント0 ポイント1 ポイント 1時間前 (0子コメント)
This dude posts nonstop on /r/politics. Hmm no wonder why is complaining about t_d.
[–]KingJames19 [スコア非表示] 55分前 (0子コメント)
What is your favorite conspiracy brother
[–]machocamacho88 -3 ポイント-2 ポイント-1 ポイント 3時間前 (4子コメント)
You partisan warriors need to go somewhere else. The sub is not meant to be partisan.
[–]rpratt34 3 ポイント4 ポイント5 ポイント 2時間前 (1子コメント)
Then what is it meant to be?
[–]Sir_Wanksalot- 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 1時間前 (0子コメント)
About all conspiracies no matter the content. Instead, only a pre-prescribed list of conspiracies are allowed here, and any others that gain attention are deleted. There is a reason Pizzagate is on the front page, and it isn't because it's the great conspiracy of all time.
[–]Gadfly360 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 3時間前 (1子コメント)
This is one of the least partisan subreddits on Reddit as the majority of it's users realize that there is no difference between the Republican and Democratic parties except on irrelevant social issues.
[–]Reedobandito 4 ポイント5 ポイント6 ポイント 2時間前 (0子コメント)
lol
[+]Kancer86 スコアが基準値未満のコメント-6 ポイント-5 ポイント-4 ポイント 3時間前 (11子コメント)
Nice post history, I'm sure you're genuinely concerned about the integrity of this sub and not just another anti trump troll from /r/politics right?
[–]Chocolate_lobster 14 ポイント15 ポイント16 ポイント 3時間前 (10子コメント)
Attacking someone's post history because you can't refute anything they're saying makes you look pretty desperate and weak. Just sayin
[–]Kancer86 [スコア非表示] 20分前 (1子コメント)
No, the burden of proof for fake bullshit like the "pissgate" dossier and clear evidence of brigading by people that never post here isn't desperate or weak, it's just funny to point out people who literally never post here and frequent subs like "enoughtrumpspam" and "politics" and come here for one post and passionately push an agenda... and if you're too dense to actually notice a trend like that, where damn near 100 people have accounts with 10 total comments (all anti-trump) are posting all at once in a particular thread, im sorry you can't recognize basic patterns. Not my problem. I guess learning to avoid having my own personal opinion being influenced by blatant vote brigades is desperate. Have a good one.
[–]Chocolate_lobster [スコア非表示] 2分前 (0子コメント)
There's over 10 threads on the front page of the sub about fake bullshit AKA pizzagate and you don't seem to mind it at all.
Not only that, but you'll go as far as this where you attack people's post histories and accuse them of being shills. All because the conspiracy is about Trump instead of Clinton/Podesta.
And now you get mad and write up angry posts like this because people are calling you out on your bullshit.
[–]theeophilus 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 1時間前 (0子コメント)
"if religion is the opiate of the masses, politics is the amphetamine of the asses"
The_donald was created to be an echo chamber,
Exactly. Nothing wrong with that, if they're honest.
[+]VirulentThoughts スコアが基準値未満のコメント-16 ポイント-15 ポイント-14 ポイント 8時間前 (17子コメント)
What a convoluted rationalization.
If you brigade, you are breaking the rules. Both do it. Both deserve the punishment. Neither will get it because Reddit can control the message without banning either one.
[–]mconeone 22 ポイント23 ポイント24 ポイント 6時間前 (16子コメント)
You miss his point, that it wasn't /r/Clinton or /r/liberal, it was a general politics sub, twisted by shills into an echo chamber.
[–]WutUtalkingBoutWill 3 ポイント4 ポイント5 ポイント 5時間前 (1子コメント)
twisted by shills into an echo chamber.
Well that means both are echo chambers then, shut them both down.
[–]mconeone 8 ポイント9 ポイント10 ポイント 5時間前 (0子コメント)
Keep them open! Rename politics as it's current one is disingenuous.
[–]VirulentThoughts -5 ポイント-4 ポイント-3 ポイント 6時間前 (13子コメント)
NAh, I got his point, but you missed mine.
/r/politics was always a liberal echo chamber started for the same reason as T_D but it wasn't a conflict before because reddit as a community and a company liked it that way.
Reddit has evolved to become more mainstream and so more conservative views have become represented. Now both subs behave poorly and blame each other.
[–]WaitTilUSeeMyDick 6 ポイント7 ポイント8 ポイント 3時間前 (1子コメント)
NAh, I got his point, but you missed mine. /r/politics was always a liberal echo chamber
/r/politics was always a liberal echo chamber
Did you see r.politics the day after the election? It was back to what I remember. Debate, people actually being able to call things out, multiple viewpoints all mixing together (rather) peacefully, no huge downvote gang-ups...It was honestly pretty great.
For like... A day.
I understand that reddit leans left. So do I, but with a huge skidmark of cynicism. That is currently beyond absent in r.politics; once again. It honestly looks manufactured.
R.politics is supposed to be a mixed bag. T_D is an intentional Trump circle-jerk. Which is fine. This sub is a horse of a different color. The shit stirring during this election has caused a lot of crossover with T_D crowd because the DNC and Clinton gave us a lot of shit to work with honestly. A lot of us don't like Clinton because there are a ludicrous amount of sketchy things to look into.
But. This Newspeak from the MSM (fake news etc)? The constant barrage of anti-trump on every sub besides this one and T_D (PissGate was the ONLY time I've seen this sub hit the FP)? The militant push back against PedoGate from said MSM? At least PedoGate grew naturally. PissGate reeks of astroturfing (fake grassroots).
This post has gone on too long. But my point is; the core of this sub is totally still here. We question everything and form our own conclusion. Brigading this sub is only going to stir the shit-pot. We are going to wonder why it happened and dig in.
[–]bacon_flavored 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 2時間前 (0子コメント)
100% right. It should be r/t_d vs r/lib or r/Hillary. R/pol is given a huge bump by being a default that by name should be about all politics. Which it was before this election. Reddit allows them to benefit as a default because it is their narrative and they don't care.
To any of us who have been here for a long time, it is completely obvious. When t_d started coming here it was because of all the leaks by Seth rich and the overwhelming flood of corruption coming out of the left. Anything worth mentioning conspiracy wise about Trump was absolutely entertained here and discussed.
Now there is a clear agenda by the r/pol crowd to try and flood this sub with misdirection and not any actual conspiracies. It's just whining. And it does nothing but show that Brock is ineffective without the collusion of the reddit admins.
[–]GitmoNationSlave 8 ポイント9 ポイント10 ポイント 6時間前 (1子コメント)
HAHAHA dude you are fucking delusional. In that case nuke /r/politics so they dont have the huge bump in subscribers from being a default sub for a while. Let them remake /r/liberalpolitics. What the shit does a Trump fan subreddit have to do with /r/politics????
[–]VirulentThoughts 4 ポイント5 ポイント6 ポイント 5時間前 (0子コメント)
Are you that naive that you don't understand that reddit has editorial bias?
This isn't some kids garage project anymore and it hasn't been for a while now. Control over any sub with more than a certain number of subscribers is like running a magazine with that many readers.
Conde Nast doesn't want the same thing for reddit that you want. It is a privately held company with a specific agenda. If you think that's ever going to change, you need more red-pilling than you are going to get here.
The Newhouse family runs Advance Media. Advance Media owns Conde Nast. Conde Nast owns GQ, Reddit, Vogue, and oddly enough, Golf Digest.
https://golf.clickon.co/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/C2Y5nYHXcAAJPAf.jpg
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/817374875962769408
[–]mconeone 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 6時間前 (8子コメント)
Liar.
[–]VirulentThoughts 4 ポイント5 ポイント6 ポイント 5時間前 (7子コメント)
Show me objectively the point in history where /r/politics went from a balanced presentation of both sides to a liberal echo chamber and I'll make my flair on this sub reddit "Liar".
[–]mastigia 3 ポイント4 ポイント5 ポイント 4時間前 (0子コメント)
T_D is a sandbox. Politics is a swingset where the users get as high as they can and jump.
[–]machocamacho88 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 3時間前 (0子コメント)
Remember no bad tactics, only bad targets, it's the SJW way. You are posting on a site owned by SJWs. This is the sort of thing you are going to have to live with if you want to continue to fight the good fight here. Let them brigade. Point it out. Anyone swayed by mere vote totals versus the substance of the post is not someone engaged in critical thinking.
[–]flightgirl1 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 3時間前* (0子コメント)
How much money has George Soros pumped into David Brock's new anti-Trump Super-Pac, American Bridge? It has replaced CTR. Its goal is to impeach Trump. It formed last month around the same time as the ImpeachTrump sub here.
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/david-brock-donald-trump-donor-network-231588
http://freebeacon.com/uncategorized/confidential-david-brock-memo-defeat-trump-impeachment/
Or get some blackmail on the reddit admins. Then we can do whatever the hell we want in here...
[–]SLEEPLESSNIGHT5 [スコア非表示] 37分前 (0子コメント)
I will ask u spezes wife to tell him to when I'm fucking her tonight.
[–][削除されました] 4時間前 (1子コメント)
[–]fuster_cluq 7 ポイント8 ポイント9 ポイント 3時間前 (0子コメント)
Calling people delusional is a great way to get people to agree with you, just to let you know. Also, do you know how easy it is to buy fake accounts and up votes? Someone paid for post to get to the top of r/all and posted a video about it. You can even buy accounts that already have alot of karma so it's hard to tell if they are shills or not
[–]Nogrim5 47 ポイント48 ポイント49 ポイント 10時間前 (0子コメント)
its been pretty frustrating, but painfully obvious.
[–]TheSilenceMEh 41 ポイント42 ポイント43 ポイント 4時間前 (10子コメント)
God when something that isnt pizzagate finally starts getting traction you start crying foulplay, the_donald has infested this subreddit, almost every post is complaining about this unverifiable post about the russian leak which has conspiracy written all over it. But instead you turn around and upvote more pizzagate stuff because somehow thats more credible.
[–]quackchomp 15 ポイント16 ポイント17 ポイント 3時間前 (4子コメント)
Too bad it seems that the mods only care about one side of the shills, while the other can happily control this sub. When has an unverified post about Hillary or Obama or Biden or pizzagate EVER been tagged as ANYTHING? Yet three big trump posts and all three are tagged and deleted? Our top post right now is from a T_D shill and nothing is done... this sub is in a sad state and the mods couldn't care less
[–]KhalifaKidV2 10 ポイント11 ポイント12 ポイント 2時間前* (3子コメント)
I'm almost always against throwing around accusations of shilling, however it's quite clear the mods are compromised
edit: banned! http://imgur.com/Kk2LGJB for "attacking the mods" http://imgur.com/LlcbYkz
[–]TheSilenceMEh [スコア非表示] 25分前 (0子コメント)
Dont approve of what the mods did, but dosent the 2nd image show that you were muted not banned? Clarification is all I want
[–]WillRichardRichards 3 ポイント4 ポイント5 ポイント 4時間前 (1子コメント)
It is.
[–]Chill_Confirmed [スコア非表示] 1分前 (0子コメント)
The fact that all these people can do is say that pizzagate isn't credible speaks volumes. They don't show you the actual evidence and explain how its not credible they just tell you what to think.
[–]freedmason 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 1時間前 (1子コメント)
Another post with irregular voting patterns, spewing the exact propaganda points that Earnest Voice wants to come out.
Post history saved, account added to the database.
[–]TheSilenceMEh [スコア非表示] 48分前 (0子コメント)
Lol your adding me to a database because I voice greivances with the state of the subreddit. The fact that you write off all opposing voices as shills or CTR is concerning, you cant comprehend other people having opposing opinions so you label them as corporate shills and stay in your echo chamber.
[–]weedareone 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 2時間前 (0子コメント)
Speaking of the shills....
[–]_OCCUPY_MARS_ 6 ポイント7 ポイント8 ポイント 4時間前 (0子コメント)
Yeah it's crazy. The second top comment in the /r/politics thread called out /r/conspiracy. | archive
Boy, just look at r/conspiracy rushing to pour over every detail of this international, high-stakes murder mystery involving top secret agents at the highest level of government! .....not.
Boy, just look at r/conspiracy rushing to pour over every detail of this international, high-stakes murder mystery involving top secret agents at the highest level of government!
.....not.
The thread has since been removed because the article was behind a survey apparently. That probably sent more people this way.
There is also a massive influx of /r/all users.
[–]P_Alleline 53 ポイント54 ポイント55 ポイント 8時間前 (35子コメント)
Basically right now, Donald Trump is involved in a high profile Political Conspiracy. This means that you are going to find a large number of crossover between the conspiracy, politics and Trump subreddits.
The fact of the matter is that a lot of the Trump is a Russian Agent stuff is too speculative for the regular news and political forums, so it ends up here with the UFO sightings and Philadelphia Experiments.
Now, as I said this is pretty high profile. This means that a lot of people are interested in it. A lot more than the usual fringe theories* that are discussed here. From your perspective I guess it must look quite weird to see a sudden influx of people who do not share your outlook and try to challenge it, but think about it, it's a pretty natural thing. Like some athletics subreddit filling up with traffic when the Olympics are on.
Look at things from the other perspective. The Russian stuff, while speculative, has a lot of legs. Follow the money, look at who is being put in power and what they stand to gain from lifting sanctions. Imagine that you are thinking about these things and you come and post here.
The Russian stuff is flagged as unverified. Nothing else seems to be flagged as unverified. Not the cheese pizza = child porn stuff, not the reptiles control the monarchy stuff. There's a high scoring thread where a guy is blaming Obama for Trump not keeping the White House complaint-line open. Put yourself in their shoes and think about what this place looks like.
[–]freedmason 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 1時間前 (4子コメント)
This post shows normal voting patterns, and a rational, well-developed opposition to Trump. Compare to the shill posts for cross-reference.
[–]P_Alleline 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 1時間前 (3子コメント)
Don't take this in a confrontational way, but I really don't understand what you are saying.
What patterns? Which shill posts?
[–]freedmason -1 ポイント0 ポイント1 ポイント 1時間前 (2子コメント)
Don't take this in a confrontational way,
No problem. Asking a question makes it obvious that you're not a shill. I only hate on shills, not actual forum members.
What patterns?
Voting on reddit generally follows patterns. There's a lot to this, but once you understand it, you can spot it in a second.
As far as comments go, generally the top post is set within an hour or two, and does not change. As the post gets going, upvotes flow through the comments from top to bottom.
Example: after one hour:
Top post +10 Second Post +8 Third post +6
Two hours:
Top post: +20 Second post: +15 Third post +10
Four hours, post takes off and hits all: Top post: +200 Second post +160 Third post: +120
Post does great, gets massive exposure. 24 hours later:
Top post +5000 Second post +4000 Third post +3700.
So, when you see a post that is 8 hours old, top post is +100, but then a 2 hour old post suddenly passes it, something is up. The post had upvote-bots released.
I've also shown you how to karma whore, if you're interested. The fact that I have almost 15,000 karma in a month and I'm barely spending any time karma whoring (most posts in conspiracy, none in default subs) should tell you that I know what I'm doing.
[–]P_Alleline [スコア非表示] 53分前 (1子コメント)
Ah got you. I thought you might be talking about voting patterns on my post history.
[–]freedmason [スコア非表示] 51分前 (0子コメント)
I was. Your post had a normal voting pattern. Contrast it with that of the other posts.
One other important pattern is that Karma generally goes down as the comments progress. So, top response will have 5000, response will have like 2500, next response 1200, etc.
If there's a break in this pattern, it's a really good post, or manipulation.
[–]soberreflection 3 ポイント4 ポイント5 ポイント 5時間前 (25子コメント)
The Russian stuff is flagged as unverified. Nothing else seems to be flagged as unverified.
From the last time this subject came up:
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/5nb4nl/complaints_about_unverified_flair_in_recent_trump/
[–]P_Alleline 10 ポイント11 ポイント12 ポイント 4時間前 (24子コメント)
Sorry, perhaps I phrased that in an unclear manner.
When I said Look at things from the other perspective. I meant from the perspective of someone who sees a political conspiracy unfolding before them, and decides to go post about it on the conspiracy sub. They get here and they see all these threads on the front page discussing unverified subjects, but only the Trump-Russia thread is marked as "unverified", and all these people are trying to shout them down and call them shills for trying to discuss it.
How does that look to them? How would you expect them to react? I'll tell you how it looks - like a red flag to a bull. Nothing gets people going like a cover up.
[–]CivilianConsumer 45 ポイント46 ポイント47 ポイント 10時間前 (31子コメント)
I've noticed, they're all new to the sub, acting like the report is verified when it's complete and utter unproven not credible bs. There are dozens of them on here trying to frame their narrative, brigade and coordinating upvotes and downvotes and trying to control this sub
[–]PiensoQue 115 ポイント116 ポイント117 ポイント 9時間前* (28子コメント)
I did actually check the history of the top commentators in that thread are they are not r/politics related.
Then I've checked OP and the top commentators of this thread , and all of you are active in r/The_Donald .
There are dozens of them on here trying to frame their narrative, brigade and coordinating upvotes and downvotes and trying to control this sub
Yeah, this pretty much sums up what you have been doing in this sub.
(Edit: Thanks for the gold!)
[–]WhatIfLove 30 ポイント31 ポイント32 ポイント 8時間前 (2子コメント)
????
The number one comment has only 3 total comments in his entire history, Worldnews, altright, and that comment.
First response to that is "TheLiberalLover" who bought shares that Trump will be impeached. He's a regular on EnoughTrumpSpam, politics, news, and worldnews. He responded to someone calling out the brigading, calling it a lie. And his post history is calling out PizzaGate as fake news and pushing PissGate as real news.
Then there's a "Deleted" comment and the next response is a politics browser again..
I could go on and on..
[–]DinosaursDidntExist 11 ポイント12 ポイント13 ポイント 3時間前 (0子コメント)
This is the author of the top comment u/thebabyseagull, notice they are a TD poster and conspiracy regular.
This is the author of the second top comment u/JolietJake, they post in a variety of subs but I didn't see politics on their first page.
The third top comment is as you say, with three comments total.
Doesn't seem like they are all politics posters though.
Sorted by 'best' btw, this is what was on top for me.
[–]dunstan_shlaes 6 ポイント7 ポイント8 ポイント 3時間前 (0子コメント)
You've got it! Trump supporters love brigading and claiming otherwise. It's not hard to find out who's the brigader. Look at their post history, time as member, and number of posts deleted.
[–]Zig_Zagged 4 ポイント5 ポイント6 ポイント 4時間前 (0子コメント)
The two communities overlap. There are moderate conservatives, middle aligned / independent registered, and converted liberals and democrats existing in The_Donald. It's not a giant Conservative circlejerk like outsiders believe (some of it is but there's a lot of hate for Career Politicians of both sides, with right leaning views).
When people can admit they've been manipulated and lied to they slowly make their way over to The_Donald, the next step from there is here.
I imagine you'll find irony in my last statement just like the "pot calling the kettle black" remark you posted above. My point is that if you focus on the vocal minority of a sub that is really about pushing buttons on their perceived opposition, you're being incredibly dismissive of the moderate middle of the road types existing there because it's all they have here on reddit given their personal ideologies are silenced in any other sub.
It's r/politics vocal minority being backed by CTR that caused The_Donald to manifest. People who wanted to be able to discuss a topic or have an opposing view without being shilled out the door and shouted down needed a place to go.
[–]GitmoNationSlave 7 ポイント8 ポイント9 ポイント 6時間前 (16子コメント)
You clearly did not, I checked several several users all of them politics, ets, hillaryclinton for christ sake!!!!!
[–]Blandified 8 ポイント9 ポイント10 ポイント 5時間前 (15子コメント)
Sadly, people will look through a comment chain and stop when they get to an opinion they like. And the above comment accomplishes just that since people won't do their own homework.
[–]MASTURBATES_YOUR_DAD 4 ポイント5 ポイント6 ポイント 3時間前 (14子コメント)
Also the bullshit gold to make it seem like a good post.
As I've said many times before on this sub, Fuck Trump, but also it's really obvious that partisan hacks from politics are here to push an agenda.
They all speak the exact same way - that hyper arrogant, transparently manipulative attempt to control "objective" discussion.
People who are interested in conspiracies don't spend so much time demanding that other people see something as a conspiracy.
Partisan hacks that want their political viewpoint to dominate the entire site, however, do spend a lot of time claiming that their narrative is the true conspiracy and thus anyone who disagrees must be a Donald or Russian shill.
It's just so obvious when they do their hyper partisan circle jerk to hype up their narrative.
[–]DinosaursDidntExist 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 2時間前 (12子コメント)
Except their post is literally true.
This is the author of the top comment u/thebabyseagull, they are a TD poster and conspiracy regular.
The third top comment poster has three posts (suspicious), altright worldnews and conspiracy.
[–]thebabyseagull 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 2時間前 (4子コメント)
You summoned me?
What you arguing about?
[–]DinosaursDidntExist 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 2時間前 (3子コメント)
Did I? I thought it doesn't ping if I don't include the first slash?
[–]thebabyseagull 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 2時間前 (2子コメント)
I never pings for me?
I just seen the notification.
Why doesnt it ping for me?
[–]DinosaursDidntExist 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 2時間前 (1子コメント)
I think that's just what the notification is called, it doesn't make an audible ping for me either. Oh well I didn't mean to summon you I was just saying you're not an r/politics shill.
[–]MASTURBATES_YOUR_DAD -1 ポイント0 ポイント1 ポイント 2時間前 (6子コメント)
So you're saying the person who made the top comment on some thread also posts in the Donald subreddit?!?
My god you've broken though their corrupt system!!
Keep on concern trolling, it's a good look.
[–]DinosaursDidntExist 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 2時間前 (5子コメント)
What are you talking about? I was just saying the top comments aren't all politics posters. I have no problem with them posting in TD, it was just a good example of how they weren't some politics shill.
[–]MASTURBATES_YOUR_DAD -1 ポイント0 ポイント1 ポイント 2時間前 (4子コメント)
So your point is that not every single comment is a politics shill?
Okay?
[–]DinosaursDidntExist 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 2時間前 (3子コメント)
Yes, that's what this thread, the comment chain, and the gilded comment you referred to are about. Accusations of the top comments being from politics regulars. It's easy to verify that's not true.
Dead giveaway. Admin.
Fuck Trump, but also it's really obvious that partisan hacks from politics are here to push an agenda.
Yep. We can tell thinking anti-Trumpers from the CTR and Brock shills.
A lot of it is computer-generated
[–]moparornocar 4 ポイント5 ポイント6 ポイント 8時間前 (2子コメント)
haha the trumpers are getting triggered. ill wait for my downvotes.
[–]garlicdeath 4 ポイント5 ポイント6 ポイント 4時間前 (0子コメント)
Honestly, I'm sick of all the tears from both sides after all these years. It's like reading comments from two groups of children crying and insulting each other. It's pathetic.
[–]freedmason -1 ポイント0 ポイント1 ポイント 1時間前 (0子コメント)
Another post with irregular voting patterns, a posting history full of poorly sourced anti-Trump divisiveness, and now a budget for gold (or an admin account giving out gold).
[–]Th_rowAwayAccount 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 1時間前 (0子コメント)
Lol someone who is willing to pay for gold on establishment media websites probably isn't that antiestablishment
[–]EthniK_ElectriK 9 ポイント10 ポイント11 ポイント 4時間前 (0子コメント)
Like everything here is proven lol, it's CONSPIRACY you dense redhat motherfucker
[–]MarlboroMundo 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 3時間前 (0子コメント)
One thing I wish Reddit had, that many other forums have, are post counts on your profile. For Reddit it would have to be sub Reddit specific but it would make it easier to determine if someone was new to a sub or not.
I'm sure there is a tool or website that does this already though...
[–]gaseouspartdeux 15 ポイント16 ポイント17 ポイント 9時間前 (2子コメント)
They did that recently in /r/Hawaii when some of us were criticizing Zuckenberg for trying to sue Hawaiian deed holders who had title to the land he bought in Kauai.
[–]Lord_Newbie 7 ポイント8 ポイント9 ポイント 6時間前 (0子コメント)
I seen 2 comments that werent really pro zuckenberg, seems more like a concern troll. You got any links?
That was probably a different group. Corporations have shills, too.
[–]KhalifaKidV2 14 ポイント15 ポイント16 ポイント 4時間前* (1子コメント)
Jesus Christ can we stop pretending we know who is a shill and who is not?
Believe it or not there are people like us who want the truth no matter what.
I mean, have we forgotten our roots? Pizzagate, Pissgate, why are we fighting over which is true when /r/conspiracy used to hate BOTH sides of the aisle?
edit: banned http://imgur.com/Kk2LGJB for "attacking the mods" http://imgur.com/LlcbYkz
We do hate both sides of the aisle. It's really easy to tell who's a good guy and bad guy if you know how to look.
Understand what normal voting patterns look like on reddit. Then look for variance.
[–]Flytape 11 ポイント12 ポイント13 ポイント 7時間前 (6子コメント)
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/5qjq9r/for_the_second_time_in_a_week_i_have_caught_2x/dd0jbdx/?context=3
Compare to
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/5qm9j4/kgb_chief_linked_to_trump_file_found_dead/dd0gjzd/
[–]jdotg 5 ポイント6 ポイント7 ポイント 5時間前 (0子コメント)
Jesus. Talk about some copy pasta
[–]AssuredlyAThrowAway 3 ポイント4 ポイント5 ポイント 4時間前 (1子コメント)
Nice catch.
Will the admins do anything about this obvious briagding?
Find out next week on "How reddit admins selectively apply their TOS to advance an ideological agenda!"
:/
Hell no. They are in place to encourage this kind of truth suppression.
[–]facereplacer3 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 6時間前 (0子コメント)
Unreal.
[–]20thsieclefox 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 2時間前 (0子コメント)
Don't forget this one
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/5qktgz/mystery_death_of_exkgb_chief_linked_to_mi6_spys/dd0j9y9
[–]Making_Butts_Hurt 8 ポイント9 ポイント10 ポイント 7時間前 (8子コメント)
Reddit is being brigaded, and has been for months, by various groups with opaque motives. Some are clearly pro trump or Hillary. Others are less opaque like the pissgate pushers, or the pg deniers.
[–]strategosInfinitum 20 ポイント21 ポイント22 ポイント 6時間前 (7子コメント)
It's amazing how you're willing to dismiss one for which there is far more evidence while taking believing a bunch a of emails about pizza are code for child abuse.
[–]Making_Butts_Hurt -1 ポイント0 ポイント1 ポイント 6時間前 (4子コメント)
Oh please do tell me what you think you know about pg.
[–]strategosInfinitum 21 ポイント22 ポイント23 ポイント 6時間前 (3子コメント)
That's it's a pile of shit concocted by 4chan only a fool would believe. Even your God Trump isn't pursuing that it's so stupid.
[–]Making_Butts_Hurt 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 5時間前 (1子コメント)
Oh goodie. Please continue proving how ignorant you are.
Don't worry about the shills bro
What a great, rational post you made, which shows irregular voting patterns.
You're covering up pedophilia. This whole charade will come down, and you are going to wake up screaming in the middle of the night some day, terrified of what you've done here. There's a hot place in Hell for Goebbels.
[–]weedareone -1 ポイント0 ポイント1 ポイント 2時間前 (1子コメント)
Found a shill guys
I've found about 6. Collect their usernames. Whenever they show up, and anything they post, you know what the regime is pushing.
The intelligence they're giving away is as valuable as the counterintelligence effect of hiding the truth.
[–]EricCarver 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 5時間前 (1子コメント)
Ride it out. Their numbers can't be beat. We are over double our usual visitorship and have been for hours.
Their numbers can't be beat.
It would be interesting if someone decided to fight back...
[–]krom_bom 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 1時間前 (0子コメント)
/r/politics isn't some cultish group that travels around as a unit.
they are not brigading here, and that assertion is frankly outlandish.
was there a post on /r/politics saying "hey everyone, go to this thread!"
no?
guess what, that thread about the KGB dude hit /r/all, so tens of thousands of people saw it, and so it got a ton of commenters that aren't regular users of this sub.
it's really not that complicated.
[–]EightyNineMillion 15 ポイント16 ポイント17 ポイント 7時間前 (5子コメント)
The double gold tipped me off. That never happens (or at least it's quite rare). The high number of upvotes that post has received in 6 hours is fishy.
[–]Kind_Of_A_Dick 38 ポイント39 ポイント40 ポイント 6時間前 (3子コメント)
If it trends in /r/all, it's going to bring a lot more attention from people who don't normally use this sub. This is why you'll see some strange behavior right around the time of highly upvoted posts. It trends, more people see and upvote if, it gets higher and more visible, it attracts more people, and then some will stay and check out the rest of the sub.
[–]FloopyMuscles 10 ポイント11 ポイント12 ポイント 4時間前* (0子コメント)
I'm here because of /r/all. Edit: Where did that post go?
[–]KingJames19 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 5時間前 (0子コメント)
We would never upvote that post in the first place though
It literally never happens, unless a post hits all.
[–]cali2kazan 4 ポイント5 ポイント6 ポイント 5時間前 (0子コメント)
/r/politics is out of control. hands down the most toxic sub on reddit.
[–]Metallics 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 3時間前 (0子コメント)
It's okay snowflakes, they'll get tired and you can have your echo chamber back.
[–]axolotl_peyotl 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 3時間前 (0子コメント)
It's not.
It's not "allowed." The mods can't do anything. Only admins could see the voting patterns and ban people.
[–]doltcola 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 1時間前 (0子コメント)
How dare these people do this after this sub was already brigaded and subsequently taken over by /r/the_donald. We will not stand for this!
[–]murphy212 6 ポイント7 ポイント8 ポイント 9時間前 (2子コメント)
Thanks OP for bringing this up. I described the phenomenon here and proposed a way to counter-attack. The thread was brigaded and downvoted into oblivion. Now it's weird because it says 70% of upvotes with a few points whereas it had much much more (with much less %). A paranormal phenomenon, I tell ya :)
The bottom line is they've found this new weapon: real humans. They brigade them from normie pastures to come here and flood certain of our threads - I haven't yet been able to find how or where they do this.
[–]dontkillmehillary 5 ポイント6 ポイント7 ポイント 5時間前 (0子コメント)
We know accounts and up-votes can be bought. I posted a thread about sites that offers these services and a few days ago another user posted a link to another site.
Theory; CTR was running hard until CGI started closing offices. The money is running out so US shills might be out of work.
Those funding the shilling have had to downsize and off shore the work (welcome to IT support in North America). Shilling is now provided by bodies in India manning old CTR accounts or using newly purchased ones. Vote manipulation is also off shore.
I've noticed all of the suspicious activity lately has been occuring when the US is asleep and India wide awake. Shilling is also possible from Europe too I supposed as there is some cheap IT labor to be found there in the midnight hours also.
This is just a theory mind you and I might be completely wrong also.
Good, you're looking at voting patterns. That's the best way to find the vote brigades, and thus the shills.
When you find shills, catalogue their post history, and add them to your list. You can use these lists to figure out what the government is trying to hide (which means it's true, or at least dangerous)
[–]WikiLeaksOfficial 10 ポイント11 ポイント12 ポイント 9時間前* (1子コメント)
So? Refute them and stop whining. Are you that rhetorically weak that you can't defend your own theories and challenge others? You're basically admitting to an attempt to try to preserve an artificial narrative here by silencing critical thought. If conspiracy isn't about opening your eyes to all possibilities then what is it about?
Edit: also, can you point to a /r/politics thread that is directing users to come here?
[–]rahrness 3 ポイント4 ポイント5 ポイント 6時間前 (0子コメント)
Are you really expecting people to be simple-minded enough to believe that the organized groups exerting control over subs including but not limited to r/politics hold their strategy discussions on reddit?
Its [current year], even non-political subs have their own discord servers
[–]TMhorus 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 3時間前 (0子コメント)
"All of Reddit knows that sub is a bizarre world of paid shills" No. They don't. Sorry people are agreeing with reality.
[–]we_are_devo 5 ポイント6 ポイント7 ポイント 9時間前 (0子コメント)
All of Reddit knows that sub is a bizarre world of paid shills.
As opposed to shills dumb enough to do it for free ¬_¬
cough
[–]WhenYouCloseYourEyes 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 7時間前 (3子コメント)
KGB hasnt been active for 25 years - whole article is a joke
mods please delete this - obvioulsy fake
[–]testname12 16 ポイント17 ポイント18 ポイント 6時間前* (2子コメント)
The FSB is pretty much the KGB and would have inherited everything, you think just because the soviet union collapsed these things didn't survive? Putin is ex-KGB which is completely public knowledge.
You know the Russian government today uses the Kremlin which was also use by the USSR?! shocking!
[–]WhenYouCloseYourEyes -1 ポイント0 ポイント1 ポイント 4時間前 (0子コメント)
then the title should be clear - luckily the mods here are taking these stupid unfounded posts down
[–]le_meme_master2 -2 ポイント-1 ポイント0 ポイント 5時間前 (0子コメント)
How gullible are you? The stupid pissgate document has already been confirmed fake.
[–]KingJames19 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 6時間前* (0子コメント)
It's basic level thinking. Gossiping about another human being. The same human being that is a mouthpiece for a system that enslaves them. Encouraging them to seek bigger truths and to love their brothers and sisters if the only way up move on from petty politics and free ourselves from this prison
[–]dannydevitoinaspeedo 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 9時間前 (7子コメント)
its a conspiracy so its allowed on /r/conspiracy but that thread is clearly being linked elsewhere
tracked it on reddit insight and 250 upvotes in 20 minutes on a subreddit known as "the_donald 2.0"
[–]meteotrio 16 ポイント17 ポイント18 ポイント 9時間前 (6子コメント)
It's on /r/all. This subreddit is the_donald 2.0 in all posts that don't make it to /r/all. Notice how everyone that doesn't love Trump is apparently a shill.
[–]dannydevitoinaspeedo 5 ポイント6 ポイント7 ポイント 9時間前 (5子コメント)
It's on /r/all
yes, please explain to me how it got there so quickly
[–]tindergod 14 ポイント15 ポイント16 ポイント 7時間前 (0子コメント)
There was another threadhere two days ago about a case from 2014 some boat with cocaine that also landed on the frontpage of r/all.
Explain this. Brigading?
[–]facereplacer3 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 6時間前 (1子コメント)
Anyone here who buys it is a fool. Gilded, retarded, and easily disproven comments that say Russia INVADED Crimea are so provably false, I don't even know how these people aren't banned.
I don't even know how these people aren't banned.
It would be nice if we could ban known shill accounts. Unfortunately, until recently, one of the mods was PROTECTING them, banning people who called out extremely obvious shills.
[–]AFuckYou 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 4時間前 (0子コメント)
He mods here can do something about it.
[–]eye_are_truth 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 1時間前 (0子コメント)
Renewed effort by David Brock is what you're probably seeing.
[–]MeTheImaginaryWizard [スコア非表示] 41分前 (0子コメント)
Mods cannot do much really without resorting to censorship, which in itself degrades any sub. Reddit's voting system is fundamentally flawed.
[–]idontknowiguess [スコア非表示] 26分前 (0子コメント)
I always get negative karma every time I post on Politics, many times while trying to make legitimate points. The most irritating thing about this is that even though I try to make a good point with evidence, because I get downvoted so much- and this only happens in r/politics- I get on that posting timer which doesn't allow me to post for x amount of time. That really irritates me.
I guess what I am trying to say is that nothing in r/politics is fair or reasonable, and every interaction with that sub and the people within that sub will likely be negative- but nothing is ever done about it at all on Reddit.
[–]horoblast -1 ポイント0 ポイント1 ポイント 7時間前 (0子コメント)
CTR shills
[–]qweasdaSda 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 5時間前 (0子コメント)
If you need an answer it's because Reddit is a total joke.
[–]thatlostshakerofsalt 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 4時間前 (0子コメント)
Good question. Can't believe that tripe at the top. They need to admit to themselves they've been trolled with the golden showers story and stop trolling everyone else with their stupidity.
[–]spezzingout 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 4時間前 (0子コメント)
Clear brigade. All I see is people whining about Trump. Don't get me wrong, let's advance any conspiracy theory relating to Trump, he is president now and should be under scrutiny. But I'm talking about just comment after comment railing on Trump and his supporters, and far fewer talking about actual theories and investigation. Definitely not the normal crowd here today.
[–]supergameman -1 ポイント0 ポイント1 ポイント 6時間前 (0子コメント)
It's very suspicious. There's several posts, all within the span of one hour with the exact same title "KGB Chief linked to Trump File found dead."
[–][削除されました] 9時間前 (3子コメント)
[–]cykalone 4 ポイント5 ポイント6 ポイント 8時間前 (1子コメント)
Your post history is all over the place, multiple posts in /r/the_donald /r/hillaryclinton and /r/politics, and then nothing for two months and now you start posting again on this thread
[–]WooTs_67 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 7時間前 (0子コメント)
lmao, there are a few gems in there.
Oh how he was wrong about many things
[–]Sabremesh[M] 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 5時間前 (0子コメント)
Rule 10.
[+]AdalineMaj スコアが基準値未満のコメント-8 ポイント-7 ポイント-6 ポイント 8時間前 (19子コメント)
From r/politics. This sub was linked in one of the top comments. That's how I made my way here and I'm sure the others.
Quick commentary. I think you guys are nuts for believing in pizzagate, but outright dissmissing Trump having Russia ties. Its like you guys cling on the most absurd ideas, but when an actual conspiracy that is plain is day comes around, you all turn into the most conservative skeptics. Weird bunch you are.
[–]murphy212 9 ポイント10 ポイント11 ポイント 7時間前* (8子コメント)
The point is that even if Trump did business with Russia, or was friends with Putin, it would still be a distraction.
Saudi Arabia's participation in financing 911 was exposed by a US congressional report recently declassified.
We know from Hillary Clinton herself that Saudi Arabia and Qatar are funding ISIS.
Gulf sheikdoms and the al-Saud crucify gays for being who they are, viciously lash women for adultery (among other atrocities and abuses to human rights).
With US weapons and support, Saudi Arabia is prosecuting a vicious war of aggression against its neighbor Yemen
These obese savage wahhabi kinglets are "our trusted friends and allies", and nobody criticizes them. They are welcomed in DC at the music of trumpets.
No, we're rather all about criticizing Russia, after having destabilized many of its neighbors, supported islamist insurgency in Chechnya, and circled them with military installations.
There is a very strong historical imperialist/neocon russophobic current in the US. You see, the hegemonists want to avoid at all costs the continental Berlin/Moscow/Beijing axis from forming (hence the recent destabilization of Ukraine, Europe being imposed to sanction Russia, etc.); such an Eurasian "world island" would undermine the influence of the Anglo-American maritime empire. Brzezinski explained it well in his book The Grand Chessboard.
That's why free-minded people in here disregard this obviously artificial Russian bashing. The hypocrisy is just too suffocating to ignore.
[–]AdalineMaj -3 ポイント-2 ポイント-1 ポイント 6時間前 (6子コメント)
Except one little fact brings you're entire theory down. Russia annexed Crimea.
[–]soberreflection 5 ポイント6 ポイント7 ポイント 5時間前 (2子コメント)
And how do you feel about the fact—revealed by leaks—that the US meddled in Ukraine to topple its Russian friendly government?
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957
http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/07/30/the-media-ignores-the-cia-in-ukraine/
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/apr/30/russia-ukraine-war-kiev-conflict
Most of Russia's Black Sea fleet is based in Crimea, and has been since the 18th century: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Sea_Fleet
So, should the Russian government have been indifferent when the US pushed the overthrow of the Ukrainian government? In what world are the naval facilities in Crimea not considered a valid strategic concern for Russia?
If the tables were turned, how would the US react? If it had a base in a neighboring country, like Mexico, and the Russians staged a coup in Mexico, would the US just roll with that? That's fine, keep the base? I hope you understand they would not, and in fact that's exactly why the US held the Guantanamo Naval Base despite the Cuban Revolution.
[–]AdalineMaj 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 4時間前 (0子コメント)
Crimea was not owned by Russia. They took it by force.
[–]murphy212 3 ポイント4 ポイント5 ポイント 4時間前 (0子コメント)
Sigh. There is little hope for you at this point. Would you even be able to find Crimea on a map?
Let me leave you with Mark Twain.
If you don’t read the newspaper, you are uninformed. If you do read the newspaper, you are misinformed.
[–]jdotg 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 4時間前 (1子コメント)
You are buying state propaganda. Ukraine crisis started nov 21 2013. When then president suspended joinging EU. When did obomber sign ndaa 2013, allowing state department to disseminate us propaganda on americans? Dec 4th 2012
[–]AdalineMaj 5 ポイント6 ポイント7 ポイント 4時間前* (0子コメント)
So you believe the annexation of Crimea was justified because of Obama?
[–]futuregiannis 9 ポイント10 ポイント11 ポイント 8時間前 (4子コメント)
you should look into the deaths of seth rich and monica peterson and the disappearance of eric braverman.
[–]WhenYouCloseYourEyes 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 7時間前 (3子コメント)
pizzagate has thousands of connections and evidence
pissgate has a fake dossier and a dead "KGB agent" which I can debunk with 2 points - dossier was admitted fake, KGB has been inactive for 25 years
this story is FAAAAAAAAAAAAKE as FUUUUUUUUUUUCK
[–]MartnThaKing 4 ポイント5 ポイント6 ポイント 6時間前 (2子コメント)
Dossier was never admitted fake, stop lying. This misinformation has been spread quite a bit but has never been sourced.
You obviously didn't read past the title because the article refers to him as being in the FSB.
π Rendered by PID 23525 on app-357 at 2017-01-28 20:20:28.475454+00:00 running 01350e9 country code: JP.
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