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[–]MedikPacI'M THE SCISSORMAN! 217 ポイント218 ポイント  (2子コメント)

FUCKING WHART THE FUCK IS A GROMENT ECH SNAP BAR IN CROW BAR TWO

Just kidding. Thanks for the megathread.

[–]GenericAnimator 296 ポイント297 ポイント  (79子コメント)

Man I hope Jontron won't start getting political in his videos. I'm not a fan of what he's been doing on Twitter. It's his account, he can do what he wants, but I just don't like it too much. Not because it's right-leaning (I hate what Jesse Cox has been doing just as much, if not more), but because it doesn't have a point, and seems insulting to others. And if he starts doing vlogs on the channel... I don't know.

I really hate everything being about politics lately. I know it's to be expected, but it's just annoying and repetitive. I just wanna stop all the politics in videos and go back to laughing at the fun new Jontron videos. Whatever, it can't be helped I guess.

[–]this_is_a_slam_jam 64 ポイント65 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I doubt his videos will get more political. If he does make a video it will probably be unlisted or set as private a while after he uploads it.

[–]gawright87 43 ポイント44 ポイント  (1子コメント)

To be honest I think the response from Jon is necessary, considering it's a reaction to the responses he's received over his entire career, responses which have gotten more and more increasingly inflammatory. He is simply reacting to being implicated as a racist, a bigot, or more simply, being "anti-SJW". I don't blame him a bit for becoming political, because the entertainment industry as a whole in the past year or two have become so divisive and politicized that the tension can be cut with a knife. I applaud him for speaking against it. I think that he shows that free thought and principle has meaning in these times, when speaking freely can equate to being ostracized and demonized in your community and ultimately your professional environment. I love every bit of it, because he's saying what a lot of us have been thinking for a long time, and for very good reason.

[–]MedikPacI'M THE SCISSORMAN! 125 ポイント126 ポイント  (20子コメント)

As a Republican, I feel you. Politics and entertainment been crossing too much lately.

Call it a hunch, but I feel like he's gonna either not make a vlog, or he will and he'll just vent and that will be the end of it.

[–]ThatGuyBradley 44 ポイント45 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Politics and entertainment have been crossed since the dawn of civilization. People joke about current things and things that annoy them.

[–]AbsentHiyaJonathan Tronathan's Salonathan Manager 68 ポイント69 ポイント  (18子コメント)

As a Democrat, I'm really not sure why my political term has to do with him talking about politics.

[–]MedikPacI'M THE SCISSORMAN! 109 ポイント110 ポイント  (10子コメント)

Well, most people around here are Democrats, so I figured I'd breach the gap

[–]WaywardChilton 47 ポイント48 ポイント  (6子コメント)

As a libertarian, I like toast.

[–]angsmask 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I get not wanting it to bleed into this, but people in general need to be paying more attention to actual politics and less to facebook posts about it.

[–]dryspongeboys 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (2子コメント)

man, did you guys see the tweets Jesse made about Donald trump's literally 10 fucking years old son Barron? god they were awful.

[–]GenericAnimator 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

That's what I was referring to.

[–]dryspongeboys 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (0子コメント)

the man was ragging on a fucking 10 year old child for being a child. christ.

[–]Spi3kyShark Tank - JonTron 39 ポイント40 ポイント  (9子コメント)

He's not even a conservative. He's left leaning from what I know. And Jon's always been politically-charged on twitter. I just feel like, right now, he is disagreeing with something that the majority of twitter (and reddit) believes.

[–]Jeff-TD 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (29子コメント)

I can't go through his Twitter right now. What are some of the things he has said?

[–]agentsometime 91 ポイント92 ポイント  (28子コメント)

He sided with this asshole (Piers Morgan) for starters.

[–]ClickEdge 120 ポイント121 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Alright wtf are you thinking Jon 😅

[–]Nibblet420 92 ポイント93 ポイント  (3子コメント)

"he sided with someone I don't like!!! what was he thinking?!"

[–]henrykazukathe old JonTron was better 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (14子コメント)

Who is Piers Morgan and what did he do?

[–]MedikPacI'M THE SCISSORMAN! 74 ポイント75 ポイント  (0子コメント)

He ate the last donut in the box. Unacceptable.

[–]wolfinsnow 60 ポイント61 ポイント  (3子コメント)

British person here, he's a journalist and is also the host of a show called Good morning Britain (equivalent of GMA I assume). He's said some stuff that has made people across the political spectrum dislike him (e.g he's strongly anti gun but is also anti feminist). I think he's one of these people that you either love or hate

[–]trulyElse 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Right wing talk show host. Is a right wing talk show host.

[–]eorld 67 ポイント68 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Also has a long history of involvement with various trashy British tabloids like The Sun and The Daily Mail, participated in all that phone hacking stuff a few years ago.

[–]jamin720 60 ポイント61 ポイント  (0子コメント)

As a Brit, part of the reason people don't like Piers Morgan is that (whilst he is primarily right wing) he seems to just provoke for the sake of provoking. He seems to just say the most controversial thing in order to get attention through provoking people, and in some cases, right wing people. So saying he is purely a right wing talk show host is not the only reason people hate him as that implies only left wing people hate him, but it is my understanding (I have right wing friends and family) that many right wing people hate him too.

EDIT: Forgot to mention he does a lot of ass licking of big controversial figures too, even if they aren't necessarily in line with his previous 'political views'

[–]TLO_Is_Overrated 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

While people talk about his political views, I don't really care.

However:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/phone-hacking-the-piers-morgan-connection-mirror-admits-some-stories-during-morgans-tenure-may-have-9817258.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piers_Morgan#Phone_hacking_allegations

He has allegedly in the past approved hacking phones while in charge of newspapers to get stories.

Regardless of his politics, he is a cunt.

[–]Minstrel47 27 ポイント28 ポイント  (1子コメント)

To be honest, Jontron comes off as someone who is informed and is willing to express his thoughts even if it's seen as an unpopular opinion.

Think about the society we live in, sadly yes, this comes from the left mainly, but how many videos came out denouncing Trump, the white background with celebrities taking turns saying a sentence in a single argument without saying the actual name. All these celebrities who are impressionable to certain people denouncing the now President Trump.

It's dangerous, the left know what they are doing and it's destructive, so if Jontron can act as a voice of reason and talk to people like people and offer them not a one sided argument but rather the information to allow people to come to their own conclusion, that's how it should work.

And yet consider all the propaganda spouted by the left, they don't talk to you to inform you or to respect you enough to come to your own conclusion, they stack the cards to make it come off as you're either good and with us, or a racist, sexist, bigot who is against us.

[–]henrykazukathe old JonTron was better 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (5子コメント)

As much as I agree with his political views, I agree with you. I watch Jontron for the comedy, not for the political stuff. If he can keep those two separate, I don't care whether he's Hitler reincarnate or the most stereotypical tumblr user on his twitter account.

[–]ShowALK32 42 ポイント43 ポイント  (4子コメント)

It's interesting to see people praising and defending PBG for doing exactly this kind of thing with numerous other political events/topics (including being anti-gun) -- "Leave PBG alone! It's his Twitter, he can do what he wants, and it doesn't affect his content!" But when it's something they don't agree with? Oh, now their entertainers should stay out of politics.

[–]ScornfulLysander 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Hate that shit.

To PBG: "Wow, this serious side of you is very impressive"

To Jontron: "Youtubers need to shut the hell up about shit they don't understand"

[–]Toastrz 294 ポイント295 ポイント  (9子コメント)

The funniest part of the whole situation is that this sub has sustained one of the most rational and civilized political discussions anywhere on the internet. This place continues to amaze me.

[–]alexxerth 118 ポイント119 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Something about scrolling down, reading all this discussion on politics, and then seeing Jontron...twerking...

This year has already been very surprising.

[–]hulibuli 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I came here because of Sargon's stream, expecting a subreddit in flames and fucktons of delicious popcorn with salt.

When the reality looked like this, so I must say that I was very wrong and now I feel bad for coming here with bad attitude.

[–]Bythmark 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (2子コメント)

/u/myocblonic makes some very good points in this thread if you like rational stuff. It was just before the megathread got put up.

[–]PvtMcNuggets 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

His points are also kinda not relevant since he omits quite the big fact.

The reason people are talking about "middle eastern female treatment" is because a lot of women, be it on twitter, Reddit or even in the women's march, were talking about "Sharia Law" (which the organizer of the event is for) and how "Islam is tolerant". Well, it isn't, because women get stoned to death with a sack of rocks for being raped.

So essentially, no one is saying "shut the fuck up and look and middle eastern women and their problems", people are saying "if you keep this shit up you will be like middle eastern women with all their problems".

[–]Stanley_the_Goose 102 ポイント103 ポイント  (17子コメント)

As a fairly liberal guy, I don't think Spencer should've been punched. The guy who punched him should be charged and that's it, end of story. However as a minority, it's hard not to take at least a little pleasure out of the fact that a person who thinks I'm lesser than them got punched.

Call me sadistic or whatever, but I genuinely hate the guy. That being said, I do think his ideas should be debated properly. Some people think that this might lend his ideas some credibility, but just like when evolution and creationism were debated (by Bill Nye and Ken Ham of all people) it would most likely end up as a one sided beat down of a ridiculous belief.

Edit: although I disagree with Jon on some things, I think it's great that he's expressing his true opinion on politics. Most of what he's saying makes a lot of sense and it's a breath of fresh air considering most of what you see from youtubers is a run-of-the-mill liberal opinion.

[–]GodsAreTired 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Open and honest debate is always the healthiest thing and that's all Jon has ever wanted it seems.

Spencer is a white nationalist not a white supremacist. He doesn't think other races are lesser he just thinks integration doesn't work. I don't like either idea but it's good to at least be accurate about people's points.

[–]lordgood 30 ポイント31 ポイント  (0子コメント)

He thinks that african-americans are genetically more predisposed to commit crimes and have lower IQ-s. Pretty sure he views blacks as lesser.

[–]ClickEdge 155 ポイント156 ポイント  (230子コメント)

why does JonTron pull the concern-trolling with a real life fascist? I don't see why anyone would be quicker to condemn the largest peaceful protest in American history, than to judge fascism. wtf

[–]trulyElse 78 ポイント79 ポイント  (226子コメント)

Is it fascism?

Is it a push to remove the vote from Joe Public and give all the power to a group of elites?

Or is it a word for bad people?

[–]ClickEdge 136 ポイント137 ポイント  (225子コメント)

I'm not claiming the things jontron said are inherently fascist, but he was circlejerking with a dude about Dick Spencer, and the dude openly stated that he was a fascist

[–]trulyElse 37 ポイント38 ポイント  (224子コメント)

The dude that got decked in the fizzog by antifa while explaining to the news reporter the significance of a cartoon frog?

What did Jon say about him?

[–]ClickEdge 174 ポイント175 ポイント  (166子コメント)

That dude got decked in the face by antifa because he believes in the genocide of blacks, social darwinism, and the principals of american nazism. He's a skinhead.

[–]trulyElse 58 ポイント59 ポイント  (35子コメント)

Sure, but isn't that vigilante justice? Something those campaigning against the subversion of democracy would be against, regardless of target?

[–]PM_ME_HAIRLESS_CATS 71 ポイント72 ポイント  (14子コメント)

It's a troubling direction for these protests to go in, but Richard Spencer deserved it.

[–]LazyFigure 81 ポイント82 ポイント  (12子コメント)

Unless he did more than speak, he really didn't deserve it. We can't condone violence in retaliation against speech, no matter how repulsive that speech is. Not only because it sets a dangerous standard that can be warped as manipulative people change the idea of what kind of opinion is okay to beat people up over, but because punching someone for their beliefs doesn't change those beliefs. Spencer only feels more justified as a martyr for his cause, or at least will milk his victimhood to convince people he's a martyr.

[–]PM_ME_HAIRLESS_CATS 45 ポイント46 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not to mention that those who feel that Spencer is a legitimate threat will be normalized/rationalized that violence is a rational option.

[–]PooDiePie 43 ポイント44 ポイント  (10子コメント)

So much sense spoken here.

I'm frankly shocked at how many condoned the violence. For all the shit he says, I'd be extremely surprised to hear that this edgy memelord has ever physically attacked anyone in his life.

All physically assaulting him will do is reaffirm his beliefs even stronger. Imagine if you were convinced by something, and when mentioning what you think in conversation, you were met not with actual criticism if your view, but a punch to the face. All it's going to do is make you think that people who don't agree with you are violent psychopaths and strengthen your belief that your side is right.

[–]Dougmartin22 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (9子コメント)

Do we really think that a guy who is basically a literal Nazi will be convinced by rational debate? People like that will change their beliefs when they decide to be open minded, and punching him in the face doesn't really change that.

[–]angsmask 32 ポイント33 ポイント  (19子コメント)

I don't condone what happened and no one should be encouraging it, but in some states fighting words are grounds for a face punch and no one should be surprised that this happened or wasting their breath protecting this dude.

[–]Wyzegy 37 ポイント38 ポイント  (18子コメント)

Well...conveniently he got punched in the face while saying "No I'm not a Neo Nazi" and "This is Pepe, a cartoon frog that...".

In no state would those be considered fighting words.

[–]this_is_a_slam_jam 37 ポイント38 ポイント  (53子コメント)

Jon thought he shouldn't have been punched while he was exercising his freedom of speech.

[–]ClickEdge 99 ポイント100 ポイント  (47子コメント)

No, but he should've been punched for believing in black genocide and fascism. We've past the point where enabling nazi extremists does not further political dialogue; it endangers the most vulnerable in our society, degrades our integrity, and leaves the flood gates open for Goebbel's fucking kitchen sink

[–]trulyElse 60 ポイント61 ポイント  (15子コメント)

Punching people rarely makes them question their beliefs.
In fact, it can catalyse them within others, as this person now has grounds to say that he is being targeted for his beliefs by violent radicals, painting him as the defiant underdog who will bow to no bully.

[–]johnsonadam1517 76 ポイント77 ポイント  (14子コメント)

Historically, calm discussion and compromise with fascists has lead to nothing but empowered fascists, who now know that their actions have been accepted by their enemies. You might look up Neville Chamberlain's policy of appeasement with Nazi Germany, which temporarily secured peace but ultimately allowed the Germans to grow even stronger.

Compromising with white supremacists only legitimizes their "position" and worldview. Nazis should be targeted for their beliefs, because those beliefs have absolutely no place in civilized society.

[–]trulyElse 39 ポイント40 ポイント  (4子コメント)

I'm not saying compromise.

Put their ideas on full display so all can gawk at the absurdity of it.
Point out all the flaws and gaps in logic.
Demonstrate beyond a reasonable doubt and in no uncertain terms that they're full of shit.
And do it without resorting to swinging the fascio at anyone.

[–]angsmask 29 ポイント30 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This doesn't work anymore; people aren't offended by these ideas.

[–]Fliff42 48 ポイント49 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Except the president of the United States is only a stones throw or two from people like Spencer. The people who support Spencer don't care about logic, they care about hatred. You cannot convince them non-whites are not inferior because their belief is not based in logic.

People demonstrated that Trump was full of shit but he still won. He is still POTUS.

Rational debate works when there are two rational parties, but the only way to fight fascists is to not give them the time of day.

[–]Revo1ver_Oshawott 26 ポイント27 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Historically, calm discussion and compromise with fascists has lead to nothing but empowered fascists, who now know that their actions have been accepted by their enemies.

Almost like fascists are just looking for any excuse to justify their beliefs and means to power.

[–]Draco6slayer 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You seem to be implying that every time throughout history that fascists were talked to, they immediately seized power and started committing genocide. Being that fascism has been incredibly rare in world governments, I find that quite hard to believe.

Chamberlain's appeasement has nothing to do with arguing with fascists, it's completely unrelated. It happened well after fascism had taken power, didn't bring fascism to Britain, and is certainly not even a major cause of WWII or the spread of fascism.

[–]MedikPacI'M THE SCISSORMAN! 48 ポイント49 ポイント  (22子コメント)

He's a messed up dude, but you can't just go around punching people!

Like, seriously. You don't do that!

Call him a prick, toilet paper his house, but don't punch the guy! Don't punch anyone! The only thing that accomplishes is making his side look good, making yours look bad, and solidifying his beliefs.

[–]ClickEdge 42 ポイント43 ポイント  (21子コメント)

Dude, allowing fascism to seethe into any dialogue is opening the risk, or the inevitability of its rise. Which entitles not only violence to the extent of hitting and shoving, but fucking ethnic cleansing and war.

So I find absolutely no problem with what that dude did to Richard Spencer

[–]MedikPacI'M THE SCISSORMAN! 62 ポイント63 ポイント  (20子コメント)

Dude, allowing fascism to seethe into any dialogue is opening the risk, or the inevitability of its rise.

And that's how they can so easily manipulate you. All someone has to do is convince you that the opposition is fascist, and it's over. Suddenly, violence is justified, and freedom of speech has died with it.

Lemme ask you, do you know exactly how the Nazis went about stomping out opposition? They initially allowed free speech, before their total rise to power was complete. But they had convinced the public that the Jews were the enemy. And just like that, people were manipulated into doing their bidding. Violence, vandalism, you name it.

Not to mention that if this mentality keeps up that it's OK to suppress people you disagree with (like the Nazis did), eventually you're going to cross the wrong person, and end up in jail, in a hospital, or in a graveyard.

Freedom of speech is for all people. When you start to restrict who can use it, through violence or other means, congratulations, you've started a trend of new-wave fascism.

[–]ClickEdge 41 ポイント42 ポイント  (16子コメント)

No one is selling me propaganda as to who is a fascist. Idk why you made that assumption, because in the situation I'm referring to had the guy JonTron was talking to literally saying "I am a fascist". I'll take their word for it.

Tolerance of nazism leads to violence that doesn't implicate one single tool like Dick Spencer, but millions of innocent lives. So I don't buy what you're selling. Nazism shouldn't be tolerated by the American people, and it sucks that jontron tolerates it more than a fucking pink cat ear hat.

[–]this_is_a_slam_jam 60 ポイント61 ポイント  (4子コメント)

I agree with the action of Spencer being punched in the face. He can say whatever he wants, but he also has to face the consequences of his words/actions, which could be a punch.

[–]MedikPacI'M THE SCISSORMAN! 43 ポイント44 ポイント  (3子コメント)

And when you do that, you convince him and people watching him that he's doing the right thing.

Violence. Is. Not. The. Answer.

[–]this_is_a_slam_jam 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (2子コメント)

https://np.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/5p7iic/white_nationalist_richard_spencer_got_punched_in/dcp4z8r/

Read that comment and read the reply with the excerpt from MLK's Letter from a Birmingham Jail.

[–]MedikPacI'M THE SCISSORMAN! 39 ポイント40 ポイント  (1子コメント)

MLK never stooped to violence himself.

And I'm quite positive he would've frowned on those who do.

And, if by some twisted notion you can convince me he did, I don't really care.

You better expect that when you hit people, they're going to start hitting back even harder.

[–]D4rthLink 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Free speech only applies to the government not restricting your speech though

[–]Wyzegy 34 ポイント35 ポイント  (3子コメント)

No, it applies to people not punching you in the face for saying things as well, in so far as it's illegal to do that. If you're cool with punching someone in the face for the words they think, than you're not a free speech advocate.

[–]Animal31 27 ポイント28 ポイント  (2子コメント)

It used to be encouraged to punch nazis in the face

In fact people used to get paid to do it

[–]trulyElse 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (1子コメント)

We were at war, then. The Nazionalensocialistenarbeiterpartei had actual clout.

And at any rate, how can I be sure he even is a nazi, when the only things I've seen him saying is that he isn't a nazi and that nazis actually hate him and that he'd be okay with dating a black woman, and any other documentation on him online has been drowned out by news articles saying it's okay to punch nazis. As a foreigner in a faraway land between the ocean and the sea, all I have to go on is the word of assault sympathisers. For all I know, he's just some edgelordy provocateur.

[–]Fliff42 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

all other info has been drown out online

Learn to google? I can find a specific medical journal article from the 70's I think you can maybe find out a bit more about Richard Spencer.

[–]rockythecocky 38 ポイント39 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I was going to make a joke about the mods forcing us to only talk about meat based subjects with the unsavory bit, but now that I think about it, unsavory is really a weird word.

Think about it: a quick Google of the word savory gives the definition of "salty or spicy rather than sweet". Savory is, by definition, something that cannot be sweet tasting. So really, something that is unsavory would be something that is sweet, right? But when used to describe language or behaviors, the word unsavory refers to things that are considered rude or mean. And things that are rude or mean can also be described as being the opposite of something that is considered pleasant, a word that also just so happens to be synonymous with the word sweet.

So while the technical definition of "don't say unsavory things or you'll get banned" is "be pleasant and sweet, if you act salty or mean you'll get banned", the literal definition would be, "be salty and mean, if you act pleasant or sweet you'll get banned"

[–]trulyElse 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think it stems less from the savoury flavour and more from the verb "to savour", meaning "to enjoy (good food) to the fullest". That is, savoury is something you savour, for its pleasant flavour.

Source: University drop-out who was studying linguistics.

[–]trulyElse 101 ポイント102 ポイント  (8子コメント)

I'm honestly surprised by the reaction.

Jon Gets Political On Twitter has been a household staple for years at this point, but everyone's shocked he says something about current events that other people disagree with?

Hell, Jon was involved in the Five Guys saga of late 2014, having retweeted a picture of Zoe Quinn getting railed by five journalists at the same time, and it even got a song parody written and performed by anons about it. His philosophical leanings aren't exactly sudden or new. It's not anything special.

This whole thing will blow over. It always does.

Ps: I've been gone from the sub for a bit and have lost touch with the current memes. Feel free to supply your own hilarious footnote to the address provided:

Right here's good.

[–]henrykazukathe old JonTron was better 56 ポイント57 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm surprised too by the reaction.

There was also that time when he called the PS Now retarded, someone felt offended by the word and asked him not to use it anymore and he called him retarded.

He believes in free speech and hates political correctness. It's like people forget he joked with "Bust a cap in that -Trombone-".

[–]STULF20X6lol 29 ポイント30 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Quick thoughts: You're all dumb. Not because of what you think or feel but because in the current political climate no one is actually discussing anything. Conversation has turned into absolutes and talking at and past each other for both the right and left. Really it didn't surprise me Trump won when, if you were really paying attention, you could see all the people who were pissed off about Obama, and then Bush before him, so on and so forth. So the next president will be even more liberal, maybe even socialist, after Trump gets enough flack, and after that we'll get a real dictator that will make it almost as if all these arguments we're having now seem like a pleasant pipe dream. All while who ever is smiling to themselves, considering what they think, feel, and believe righteous.

Can the internet be blamed? Maybe. I don't think we've adapted to it well enough to make up for the fact that as a very social species so much of what happens in the course of a conversation is about 80% non-verbal, all of which containing very critical information including, but not limited to, intent. Intent is important to point out because I don't think everyone is really that extreme with their views in most cases but so much so that when we can't tell why someone is disagreeing with us, we immediately go into the defensive. This prompts whoever is on the receiving end of that to become more aggressive until it all eventually devolves into "libtard cuck" and "alt-right pepe man."

What I see with Jon is someone who's probably gaining the same perspective. He sees a group of people trying to just talk over another group. Does he articulate that well? No, the nuance he's trying to apply would require that non-verbal information for people to detect the sub-context or sarcasm behind some of it. So really, I'm not that surprised at what's unfolding as much as I'm disappointed for proving what I'm seeing to be true even more.

[–]gngamer 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (1子コメント)

So the next president will be even more liberal, maybe even socialist, after Trump gets enough flack, and after that we'll get a real dictator that will make it almost as if all these arguments we're having now seem like a pleasant pipe dream.

Holy shit, this is terrifying as that's exactly how the pendulum swings with American politics. The 2 party system seriously needs to go.

[–]STULF20X6lol 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Unfortunately, it's also the natural result. With all it's flaws, it seems to be how most political systems resolve themselves. It's efficient. I declare myself as X and you can immediately understand my stance on various issues without the need for nuance, though nuance is the more realistic representation.

Perhaps the grander question is if this isn't just the typical cycle of civilization when left stagnant. Who knows, but it will be another few thousand years before we as a species might be able to evolve enough to have the intelligence to resolve such issues.

Dialing it back, we need to be doing more. We need to rework our infrastructure as the two parties, and where they stand now, have outlived their usefulness and represent more of their own personal interests that just so happens to reflect some interest of the american public. Maybe with that our culture could change, though I'm doubtful. A lot of our two parties have rooted themselves in our culture, making it very difficult for own to exclusively influence the other.

[–]Centila 26 ポイント27 ポイント  (0子コメント)

"unsavory things"

don't censor me

[–]knuggles_da_empanada 150 ポイント151 ポイント  (26子コメント)

I wish I didn't read those tweets tbh. I know you're supposed to seperate the content from the creator, but this will always be in the back of my head when watching Jontron. I knew he was antiSJW, but the way he's giving his opinion is quite frankly disappointing

[–]TheRRRichard 64 ポイント65 ポイント  (5子コメント)

He seems to be generalizing people on the other side of the political spectrum, as much as Jesse Cox is I would imagine. Like I understand him being anti-SJW, but he seems to imply that everyone on the left thinks the same way without giving consideration to the faults on the right.

[–]JeriKoYYC 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Everyone does that. Everyone on the left generalized the entire right as nazis and sexists, and everyone on the right generalized the left as SJW's and cry babies. No one's moderate anymore, everyone's an extremist, and that's exactly what's causing the political tension in North America. It's being exacerbated by issues like economics and the refugee crisis, but the root cause of the tension is this political extremism caused by both side's refusal to have civilized discussions with the other and simply labeling them as "the enemy".

[–]YoshiYogurt 27 ポイント28 ポイント  (7子コメント)

He's a liberal who supported Bernie, but doesn't like the extreme SJWs.

Honest question how far left is acceptable nowadays? It's starting to feel like an all or nothing thing and it's getting annoying

[–]knuggles_da_empanada 32 ポイント33 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think most liberals are like that (antiSJW). I'm sick of the SJW label the left gets. No, most liberals don't agree with the "let's put a pad on this park bench!" bullshit. No, "mansplaining/manspreading" is stupid as fuck. No, we don't think women should be treated better than men in the name if feminism. Yes, black people can be racist.

You need to keep in mind these people are the minority, and a lot of us DO call them out on their bullshit.

I also don't appreciate being called an SJW because I don't think things like "black people are inferior", all Middle Eastern people are terrorists, or because I think the Women's March was a good thing.

This political climate is very polarizing right now, so many people do default to "liberals= crybaby pussies" and "conservatives= racist misogynists"

That said, it's not just that I disagree with what he said that is disappointing, it's also the fact that he resorted to strawmen and just plain ol being inflammatory for the sake of it. He is free to express himself, but honestly it's not like people were hounding him to sing praises of the march and he lashed out (from what I've seen), like some people here are making it sound like. It's a bit disconcerting that he seemingly gives more of a fuck about some nazi-like asshole getting decked calling it something like "state-sponsored censorship". For the record, while I don't feel bad for him, it wasn't right for him to get punched. A lot of what he tweeted was written in bad faith to just bag on the march

[–]dark_link88 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I don't understand why he feels compelled to speak out against the Women's March just because he doesn't support it, it just looks douchey. Look, I didn't support the march but I wasn't against it either, I just think that if you're going to try to stand up to Trump, a protest on any scale clearly won't solve anything. People should communicate with their government (congress people, senate, council members, etc.) instead.

[–]knuggles_da_empanada 52 ポイント53 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I promise you people are doing those things. I couldn't tell you how many threads I've seen with information on how to contact your local representatives on reddit.

https://www.reddit.com/r/enoughtrumpspam/comments/51d2j0

(We care about taxes)

https://www.reddit.com/r/enoughtrumpspam/comments/5oxnsh

(Resources to consult now that Trump is Pres)

https://www.reddit.com/r/enoughtrumpspam/comments/5dp5e8

(OP calls 35 Senators)

https://www.reddit.com/r/enoughtrumpspam/comments/5gsbz7

(Contact electors)

https://www.reddit.com/r/enoughtrumpspam/comments/56j1z0

(Contact congressmen)

https://www.reddit.com/r/enoughtrumpspam/comments/5qegoq

(Contact Paul Ryan)

https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/5nown5

(Contact congress on why obamacare is important)

https://www.reddit.com/r/bluemidterm2018/comments/5q72gt

(Canvassing to save senate from R majority)

https://www.reddit.com/r/antitrumpalliance/comments/5qe93h

(Places to donate to)

https://www.reddit.com/r/bluemidterm2018/comments/5q4q3z

(Call Paul Ryan to keep ACA)

https://www.reddit.com/r/sandersforpresident/comments/5pcrfh

(Contact Bill Maher)

https://www.reddit.com/r/sandersforpresident/comments/5od65q

(Call to keep ACA)

Sorry, but I'm tired of this talking point being regurgitated everywhere. We do everythinf we can to preserve our freedom.

[–]MosquitoOfDoom 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Yeah, same woth with Jesse Cox as well

[–]RaitoGG 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

No no no, that was cool, caus it's anti-Trump. Didn't you know that it's only OK if it aligns with my opinion?

[–]Anolis_Gaming 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yeah, I didn't agree with his gamergate stance, but I gave him a pass because I really loved his quality content. This, I'm but sure I can be ok with.

[–]henrykazukathe old JonTron was better 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

What do you think was his stance on gamergate? The only think he said was don't know, don't care.

[–]Deviate85 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (0子コメント)

None of this should be surprising to anyone that has followed Jon's twitter account for over a year.

[–]Deltaasfuck 36 ポイント37 ポイント  (0子コメント)

All the blacks and whites, jews, asians, latinos should all die!~

[–]staffs 31 ポイント32 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Are JonTron and David Duke still friends?

[–]1139 203 ポイント204 ポイント  (60子コメント)

Here's what I think, if anyone cares.

I think that Jon's a redditor, that he ended up, through that, with the Gamergate crowd, and that his political outbursts can be explained by this. He's been following a characteristic trajectory for a while now.

Stage one is standard reddit fare. There's a Grumps video where Arin mentions Jesus, and Jon responds with something like 'you mean the one that I don't believe in?' Looking back, it seems a little strange, until you remember that this was back when the atheism subreddit was a default, and that it had a constant crusade going to enlighten the world.

Another popular reddit view is the sanctity of humor, that humor shouldn't be limited by what offends. People sometimes call it being anti-PC, but I believe that's a more recent usage of the term which implies more strongly a political statement. I actually mostly agree with this view, but it's also a popular reddit opinion, and Jon has expressed it on Grumps multiple times.

Stage Two was Gamergate. The movement grew on Reddit, and the community was made up of people with the persecution complex of the ratheist and the righteousness of the anti-censor. Not much obscure evidence here, Jon was known to be a supporter. I do think it, or possibly something a little afterwards related to it, was probably what split up the Grumps.

Stage three was most prominently signalled by the Breitbart interview. Breitbart, as a connection, is a favored news source of gators (and yeah, they still exist). Stage three is further evidenced by the recent political tweets.

I disagree with him, as you can tell. I think that although by stage three he's outgrown getting his news and views exclusively from Reddit, he's never lost that attitude he originally picked up from it. He's still getting outraged at the same bogeymen, looking for reasons to reinforce those negative views instead of reasons to change them. Always trying to get in some new 'gotcha' against whoever's making noise.

I'm both disappointed and sorry for him. I'll still watch his videos, for now, since I can block the ads, but if he actually makes a vlog, depending on the content I might unsubscribe just in the hope that he reconsiders his views. I know he can be better than this.

Edit: People are still reading this, so I have to make a correction, Gamergate didn't happen until a year after the Grumps split, so it probably wasn't the cause. At the risk of making another temporal blunder, I think TumblrInAction was active around that time, and it originated a lot of similar ideas, so I can switch the suspected cause there.

[–]Bythmark 105 ポイント106 ポイント  (14子コメント)

Yeah, his twitter comments smack of the kind of GG-like thinking that sounds okay at first but doesn't stand up well when you reflect on it. It is strange that he's so against the march, considering we know Trump's track record. It's not like this was a Women's March At The Expense of Men, either, although I suppose many misguided people see everything as a zero-sum game. Plus, bringing up the founding fathers who obviously wouldn't have supported/didn't support even women having the vote, or anything else they've had to fight for...

I don't know, it's just disappointing. What's more is that I had never heard of his involvement in Gamergate before now, so it's doubly disappointing. He's obviously a talented and funny guy, so I like to think he's also clever enough to figure out how silly the stuff he's posting is.

[–]Anolis_Gaming 62 ポイント63 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Seriously. Like saying abortion is bad for men. If it weren't for abortion I'd be paying child support right now. Fuck that.

[–]thehudgeful 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (3子コメント)

...Did he actually say abortion is bad for men? I really hope not

[–]Anolis_Gaming 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (1子コメント)

No, but that's what the women's marches main talking point is and the reason they are having it is the current administration is basically trying to make 90% of abortions illegal. He is criticizing the marches saying women are equal and the marches are sexist. Whether you think that or not, abortion is still under threat, which effects both men and women. I think instead of seeing them for their purpose, he looked at them for the talking points that some of the feminist extremists at the marches have, blamed the entire movement and started yelling about everything being too PC.

[–]thehudgeful 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh sorry I thought you said he had actually said that. But yeah, his reaction to women's march is very perplexing and disappointing. It's like he sees women's issues as just being some kind of abstraction that don't actually mean anything in the real world. Like if you cornered him and showed him instances of women being discriminated against, he'd probably concede that that does happen, but he'd still think that women taking action to try to change that is just busy-body nonsense. It's just a fundamental lack of maturity on his part that he can't think for one moment about how women's lives are hampered by the oppression they face here and just because it's not Wahhabi levels of oppression doesn't make it any less real. Same could be said for a lot of other guys.

[–]trulyElse 29 ポイント30 ポイント  (8子コメント)

He actually wasn't much of a fan of GamerGate, his stance on I being to the effect of "I don't really know that much about it and frankly don't plan to". It's just that GamerGate was okay with him taking that stance.

[–]Deltaasfuck 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Yeah, all he did was say the PS4 or something was retarded, someone complained and then he called them retarded. And then he made a vine where he humorously explains that he has no opinion on Gamergate because he doesn't understand it (I don't either, it was confusing as fuck)

[–]thehudgeful 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Jon called a PS4 thing "retarded", then a guy asked him politely not to use the word "retarded" and then Jon responded by calling him retarded... not the most mature response by Jon there.

[–]PM_ME_FURRY_STUFF 46 ポイント47 ポイント  (1子コメント)

This was actually... really salient.

Wtf is happening to /r/JonTron ?

[–]thehudgeful 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Actually, the discourse snaps in two

[–]trulyElse 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (0子コメント)

> GG killed GG

Time travellers, the lot of 'em.

[–]thehudgeful 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thank you, this is an amazing assessment that I had thoughts about but couldn't articulate.

[–]PoloJuice 54 ポイント55 ポイント  (3子コメント)

I'm still amazed that people can be this ignorant about GamerGate with this amount of certainty.

[–]Seanachaidh 52 ポイント53 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Whatever legitimacy the movement had was lost a long, long time ago, bruh. Still disappointed in myself for not getting away from there sooner.

Edit: Happy Cake Day

[–]PoloJuice 54 ポイント55 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Their legitimacy or lack thereof wasn't in question. The post says that GamerGate had a persecution complex, which they plain didn't unless you count them posting the many many smears against them, sometimes in totally unrelated articles, and I didn't think it was a complex if the people in positions of power you were criticising were actually on your back all the time.

They said they were righteous, which they weren't. I don't even know where this one comes from, GamerGate was mostly gamers talking about hypocrisy and shitty press.

Breitbart wasn't a favoured news source, it was just one of the few news sources that didn't dismiss GamerGate out of hand, so it got posted more in a positive light because it was one of the few positive lights they had. When they fucked up they got called on that too.

I'm talking in the past tense because like many socially liberal subreddits that had demographics that were or were directly shunned by mainstream media, r/KotakuInAction started blending with the rest around the time r/The_Donald rose. It's still got posts worth reading but you have to filter out a lot more junk.

[–]Kyoraki 58 ポイント59 ポイント  (14子コメント)

You've forgotten the big one that really affected Jon the most, and that's the harassment he got from the SJW crowd on Tumblr for daring to say 'retard'. Jon's swing to the right started there, and has been helped along as the left has become more and more obsessed with this toxic political correctness.

[–]johnsonadam1517 102 ポイント103 ポイント  (10子コメント)

I don't think it's necessarily "toxic" to point out that calling something "retarded" in a derogatory manner is a bit of a faux pas at this point. It's much the same as calling something "gay"- lots of us did it in elementary school but at a certain point you start to grow up and realize that not only are those sorts of words potentially hurtful, but that we have a much more exciting and interesting and expressive vocabulary at our fingertips.

I do think, however, that a person's reaction to being challenged on their words says a hell of a lot about them. If your reaction to being pointed out that calling things "retarded" isn't cool is to double down and turn it into a free speech thing, it leads me to question why you're so focused on using your liberty and freedom to demonstrate little empathy for others.

[–]Kyoraki 37 ポイント38 ポイント  (9子コメント)

Jon never called anybody a retard until Tumblr told him he couldn't. NOTHING should ever be considered out of bounds for comedy, and this obsession with policing language is the reason comedy is largely dead as a genre. I can't believe that people still defend the Tumblr snowflakes and the harassment campaign they orchestrated just because comedian on YouTube said something offensive.

[–]johnsonadam1517 68 ポイント69 ポイント  (8子コメント)

You say that "nothing should ever be considered out of bounds for comedy", as if echoing the humor and vocabulary of a 4th grader constitutes "comedy".

[–]Kyoraki 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (7子コメント)

If it makes people laugh, then yes. One of Rick and Morty's best jokes is one which ends in calling someone retarded. For fucks sake, classics like Monty Python, Blackadder, and Mel Brooks were all built on such jokes, and would in no way be allowed on air or in theaters in today's overly PC climate.

[–]johnsonadam1517 72 ポイント73 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Calling things retarded is not why those classic comedians are funny- they're funny because the jokes are clever and intelligent, and just happened to be built on a vocabulary that at the time included the word "retarded". You could replace it with any other similar word and the joke will be exactly as funny.

If your brand of humor is so hugely dependent on needing to call something retarded I would seriously have to question how funny and valuable your contributions to comedy actually are.

[–]Kyoraki 33 ポイント34 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Are you being deliberately obtuse or something? The point isn't that it's funny on it's own, but that comedians are free to make whatever material they like without fear of censorship. Nobody should have the right to say 'here is a list of things you aren't allowed to make jokes of anymore', and the idea that solving the issue is as simple as giving into the censors and replacing words with PC friendly terms is, well, fucking retarded.

[–]johnsonadam1517 63 ポイント64 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Comedians have never been able to be "free" to make whatever material they like because the job of a comedian is to play to their audience. Michael Richards was "free" to go out and go on a racist rant in the name of "comedy", but it cost him dearly in dollars and fans because in this day and age we've mostly agreed amongst each other that nigger as a slur is no longer acceptable.

What we're seeing with JonTron is simply a much mellower version of the same principle. If he's fine with losing some fans over it then he's "free" to go and use whatever language he likes, just as his audience is "free" to point out that they don't like it. Trending too far toward being offensive for the sake of laughs is a risky play though as Sam Hyde discovered.

All comedians have to find the right balance of being offensive and funny- and I think for the most part, a comedian will look at their choice of words and consider that "retarded" isn't funny enough on its own to warrant a potential negative audience reaction especially when something like "fucking idiot" has the same gist but even more punch.

[–]CasaBlacka 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This right here is the perfect response to every argument about "its k cuz comedians and freedom of speech". Sure, the sentiment is true, you can say whatever the hell you want, especially if you're trying to be funny, but if your humor is so incredibly limited in scope that you're resorting to the lowest level of 4th grade edge humor with nothing else to carry the "joke" then you're an awful comedian and you need to shut up.

I mean, to use a Reddit example, the "you like that, you fucking retard? story is a staple joke of the Reddit community and its genuinely a hilarious story that ends with the word "retard" as the punchline to the joke. But in the context that this possibly happened and that the OP was that awful at trying to "talk dirty" makes it a hilarious joke.

Or even that Rick and Morty joke that was mentioned higher up in the thread. Its a funny joke because they're arguing over if they should be using "retarded" as an insult or not, and it devolves into a discussion over politics and if the word actually has significant meaning as either an insult or power embellishment only to have Rick once again call it "retarded". Making another funny punchline.

Jon calling someone retarded because they said he prolly shouldn't say "retard" on Twitter isn't funny. There's no joke there. It's just JonTron calling someone retarded. And to further note, just because Jon makes funny videos and jokes that doesn't mean he is in 24/7 "comedian" mode all the time. Him calling people retarded on Twitter doesn't mean he's doing a comedy bit. That argument never made sense, too.

[–]thehudgeful 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is only tangentially related to your comment, but Sam Hyde's comedy seems to be driven from his actual personal beliefs rather than just being offensive for the sake of being offensive. He unironically tweets white supremacist shit about "white genocide" and how he doesn't want to see Muslims in video games, and a lot of his comedy really doesn't feel ironic too. There's one video where he seems to be making fun of the idea that Jews were ever oppressed at all.

[–]dariosamo 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think this is the most likely explanation. Any person would lean to the right after a series of attacks like that.

[–]Plinkman 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I never even thought about that, but it honestly seems the most likely explanation for it all. I think I'll do the same as you. I'm hoping he said the vlog thing out of frustration, and isn't actually going to go through with it, I feel that he'd potentially confuse and lose a lot of subs if he starts posting political videos.

[–]ilikpankaks 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

He mentioned in the interview with Breitbart (about msm being biased) that he never really followed GG, but he implied he may of been on the reddit side. He strikes me personally as a moderate, but I dislike twitter as a political forum overall, so I am pretty against twitter rants on politics from Jon or anyone. I also don't want to get my political information from a internet entertainer personality, I'd rather use journalists and their sources that I can verify on my own. Aside from the first half of the first sentence, these were all my opinions and should be considered as such.

[–]AnimeIRL 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think this is pretty much it. I watched some of the livestream today and every point he made was either republican/"alt-right" dogwhistle stuff like "why do poor people have IPHONES?!" that he absorbed from reddit and takes at face value or just embarrassingly naive like saying as long as you're an obedient citizen you have nothing to worry about in a Trump presidency or (and this has to be one of the dumbest things I've ever seen someone say) asking why the Syrians just make their own country a nice place to live instead of coming here?

He seems like he's lived in a bubble most of his life with zero awareness or understanding of current events and is trying to preserve that by swallowing an ideology that requires little self reflection and makes everything someone else's fault.

[–]JackDT 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think that Jon's a redditor, that he ended up, through that, with the Gamergate crowd, and that his political outbursts can be explained by this. He's been following a characteristic trajectory for a while now.

Dead on. He's moved onto PrisonPlanet and whatever else now, but it's clear how he got there.

Does he know anyone in real life who went the march? It was literally the most positive and friendly protest I've ever seen. Friends of mine felt 100% comfortable taking their small children for the day, for the example. That is NOT something I would say about most protests I've been to.

[–]kingdommkeeper 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I know Holly went to the march and the two of them made a video about birds on her channel.

[–]Narfhole 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

So, you're blaming Gamergate for changing someone's views? and that's a negative...?

[–]SpidersJohnson 57 ポイント58 ポイント  (28子コメント)

The absolute only tweet I actually disliked was when he retweeted "Did you know that everyone is oppressed and kill all men and fuck white people and punch people who you disagree with?". And it's not anything to do with the tweet, it's because this just isn't funny at all and I'm 99% sure it's supposed to be. (Actually 100% but 99 for legal reasons) Like if the guy wants to be political and the classic Jontron wit is there I can live with it, but if it's political and now he's generic and unfunny I'll be very sad.

[–]CelebrityTakeDown 73 ポイント74 ポイント  (22子コメント)

I also don't like how he's using Middle Eastern women as an argument to claim that women in America don't have problems.

[–]knuggles_da_empanada 90 ポイント91 ポイント  (13子コメント)

They only care about middle eastern women when it gives them a chance to talk about how cancerous islam is or discredit western feminists. Never any other time.

[–]Plebtastica 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Issue is a large section of western feminism focuses more and more on things which either don't have a strong basis in facts (wage gap being calculated not factoring in personal choice or lost wages due to childbirth) or are largely irrelevant or incredibly petty (manspreading, body shaming (not always irrelevant but can often be). Focusing on women in Islamic countries would be a natural response for modern feminism but they largely ignore Islamic issues. As a case study the feminist response to the rotherham rape gangs was very small considering over 1400 girls in rotherham were raped by men of predominantly Pakistani origin with the police and child protective services actively coving up for these people. (Arresting fathers, taking children off some parents but not stopping the child being abused, not reporting on the abuse) the feminist response also seems to be similarly dissapointing in cologne and notably Sweden which has had its rape rate skyrocket over the last 20 years.

Basically feminism doesn't properly address issues with Islam's perception and treatment of women. I personally agree with equality of opportunity and feminism to some degree but I am thoroughly disappointed in modern feminism.

[–]CelebrityTakeDown 48 ポイント49 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Exactly! And he's also basically saying that any problem a western woman faces doesn't matter/exist because middle eastern women have it worse.

[–]GodsAreTired 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (2子コメント)

No it's an expression of frustration with the modern left. SJWs hate white people, men and free speech. They've been railing against all three for years. People in this very thread are defending violence against those they disagree with.

[–]SpidersJohnson 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The tweet itself is exaggerated and at least some kind of parody, because otherwise we're implying Jon is actually saying those things. If nothing else it's a sign that Jon will miss out on the glorious "Fuck White People" meme when it hits him, and that makes me sad.

[–]Bythmark 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Something like "Are Jon and politics still friends?"

[–]redditsOopsie 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Peace and love, man.

In other terms, I mean that Jon is free to say as he likes, and for the most part I can see where he's coming from. Personally I believe that punching anybody over words or beliefs is inherently wrong, and that if everyone responded to ideals they saw as offensive with violence, then we'd all have bloody noses.

However it seems that it can make a lot of people uncomfortable to see someone they really like disagreeing with them on something significant. It's fine to feel that way, but I think that it's the followers' responsibility to let it be rather than the followed person's to not say anything.

[–]Smilomaniac 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Jontron is basically speaking out against some of the pretty harsh rhetoric that's been going around for a while now (especially for the last 4-5 years). Like a lot of other people, he's not content being quiet anymore on the subject of getting shut down as well as branded with several labels (right-wing, alt-right, conservative, MRA) and slurs (racist, sexist, homophobe, bigot and worse) for having an opinion on a subject or disagreeing on certain points.

Just to get it out of the way; Jontron is a leftist and generally so am I; Coming from a socialist country I'm almost certainly far more left leaning than the general US population. I mean, even having to say that is baffling to me, because even if I was a conservative or right wing voter, would that somehow invalidate me as a human being? No, that's ridiculous, but sadly many people will automatically take a negative stance and assume several things about your character, for even lending some credence to any point that a conservative might have.

I won't pretend to speak on his behalf, but the point is that if you shut down people by calling them a racist or something similar to that, then you're contributing to a huge problem; You're actively destroying debates and making things worse for everyone.

[–]myactualnameisloris 34 ポイント35 ポイント  (5子コメント)

I don't necessarily disagree with him, I don't necessarily disagree or agree with any political side, but I find discrediting protesters so weird. Let people protest, who cares, it's not any less productive than complaining on twitter

[–]Dalesy 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (0子コメント)

And keep in mind that the same people complaining about protests often chastise people for bitching on Twitter about politics rather than doing something about it. There's no acceptable form of protest for these people because they like the status quo. They just don't want to admit that.

[–]FaultyFloorboard 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (2子コメント)

[–]WaywardChilton 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Times have chaaaaanged

And we've often rewound the clock

Since the brave boys got a shock

When they landed on Grommet Rock

[–]bluewhatever 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (0子コメント)

yeah i mean basically fuck the whole thing

[–]Spi3kyShark Tank - JonTron 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

fuck you mod team and by extension grant, you guys deleted my birdpost that got 1000+ upvotes, you guys cant talk about politics :(

[–]LordLukste 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wow, when this subreddit stops shitposting you KNOW something big happened.

[–]memorymod 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm deeply disappointed that Reddit has such a hive think mentality around progressivism, and how they all think they know what they're talking about when discussing politics. I'm glad JonTron is stating his true opinion. As someone who has agreed on what he's said in the livestream with Sargon, I like that he had an outlet, and is continuing to have an outlet on Twitter. Being on this side of the political spectrum is very stressful and toxic nowadays when you can't voice your opinion.

Now if he could upload more...

[–]razezero1 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I am super happy about this. It's good to see JonTron standing up to the bullshit being thrown around.

[–]homicidoll 49 ポイント50 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Jon claiming that abortion isn't a right and "we shouldn't be paying for your mistakes" shows his absolute ignorance on the topic - and because he has such a wide audience, his message spreads despite the fact that it is factually incorrect on a fundamental level. The Hyde Amendment has made it so, for the past 40 years, taxpayers have not paid for abortions except through medicaid in cases of rape, incest, or if the mother's life is at risk - and only in those very specific cases.

Him saying stupid shit is just going to cause him to have repeats of the Neil Cicierega situation from back in 2014 - he's going to be surprised and embarrassed when all of the sudden his fellow creators think he's a dummy for having said dumb stuff.

He has an audience, but his having of an audience in no way ensures that he is has any proficiency in understanding basic facts.

[–]henrykazukathe old JonTron was better 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Users who say unsavory things will have their comment removed and they may be banned

Literally Nokel.

[–]Motherdragon64 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (9子コメント)

I do agree with a lot of what Jon is saying, and I think he has every right to talk about it on his YouTube channel if he wants to and he absolutely has a right to talk about it on his Twitter and I would say the same thing if he said things I disagreed with.

I do think that if he is interested in making political content and stuff like that I'd prefer him to make a second channel because 1. It doesn't exactly fit with the rest of his videos and 2. a good amount of fans are not interested in those types of videos.

Also, and I'm not trying to be antagonistic with this but for those of you who disagree with what he's saying and want him to not say the things he's saying, I'd like you to ask yourself "Would I be saying the same thing if he was expressing political opinions I did agree with?"

Overall, everyone is entitled to their own opinion and everyone is allowed to express their own opinion, especially on a platform like Twitter which is not his main YouTube channel and is run by Jonathan Jafari, not JonTron. Anyways, rant over and I love ya Jon <3

[–]agentsometime 45 ポイント46 ポイント  (5子コメント)

I disagree with what he's saying and would like for him to express his differing opinion coherently, not like some red pill-er who's drunkenly Tweeting out key phrases and buzzwords from r/The_Donald and /pol/.

[–]Motherdragon64 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Sorry dude, but the opinions he's expressed are nowhere near the rhetoric of The Red Pill The_Donald, /pol/ or any of those things. It's fine to disagree with him, but demonizing him for a difference of opinion isn't going to help anybody.

[–]agentsometime 31 ポイント32 ポイント  (3子コメント)

r/The_Donald has been hailing him as an absolute God for his Tweets.

[–]Motherdragon64 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (2子コメント)

That doesn't mean that he himself agrees with The_Donald. I agree with most if not all of what he's saying, and I also condemn the Alt-Right and all of that other stuff. And r/The_Donald is more of a circlejerk than this sub lol

[–]Crimsondidongo 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (1子コメント)

They guy he is streaming with sent the alt right interracial gay porn to piss them off.

[–]Motherdragon64 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

And again, that doesn't mean he himself is Alt-Right or is a white supremacist or white nationalist.

[–]thehudgeful 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I don't think anybody expects jontron not to express his opinions, but they wish he could have done it differently. The tweet that he made about women in america not being oppressed seemed particularly dismissive about the concerns a lot of women have about their rights, especially in light to the recent election. But he's still free to express himself, just like people are free to say he's not expressing himself in a productive way.

[–]Ekat_clan 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (3子コメント)

PBG's also been kinda political on his Twitter and is a bit more left-leaning. I like to think he's a good debate partner with Jon haha

[–]CelebrityTakeDown 57 ポイント58 ポイント  (2子コメント)

He's far more calm about things too. I think PBG is a good deal more level-headed and mature than Jon.

Like I don't have problems with Jon having a different opinion than me, I have a problem with him acting like a 15 year old when he's 26.

[–]thestarlessconcord 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

When it comes to his comedy, hell i dont care what he does but when he starts acting political thats when it doesnt sit right, he has such a big fanbase, some minors, im not saying that he shouldnt state his opinions on politics, more that if he does its going to cause more drama than its worth.

Whether that be between himself and his friends (PBG, probably others) or the fanbase as a whole i guess well have to wait and see.

[–]ObamaBiden2016 30 ポイント31 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Look, Jon could literally start up the Fourth Reich and I wouldn't care as long as he keeps putting out entertaining videos.

[–]Wraith_GraveSpell 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Everyone sarcastically parroting "Oh no he has a different opinion!" Would definitely autistically sperg out if they found out Jon was a SJW.

Just saying.

[–]Dalesy 26 ポイント27 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Slightly late to the party, I haven't been on this sub in a little while because I had lost track of following more recent videos and thus this sub became a mess of memes I had no context for.

That being said, this sucks. It's really remarkable to me that Jon could be, in the bluntest terms possible, this fucking stupid. Not to fall on another end of the political spectrum, but to think that somehow he is speaking from a rational centrist position. He's retweeted Prison Planet, i.e. an editor at InfoWars, i.e. the site that thinks Sandy Hook was a hoax, Bush did 9/11, and that Hillary Clinton literally worships the devil. He's appeared in Breitbart. He bit on the #BLMKidnapping nonsense without ever stopping to ask why only extreme-right Twitter personalities were connecting the crime to BLM. And remarkably, he's done all this while posting nonstop, logically half-baked "Gotcha!" tweets. This is a dude who, literally, is paid to pick apart bad media, and he is this self-unaware.

I could go on and on in a self-righteous way about how I'm done watching and I can't support him after these positions and blahblahblah. But really, it's not a brave act of political integrity for me to stop watching. It's just a natural reaction to someone whose content you really liked being shitty for a prolonged period of time on the internet, and it sucks.

[–]Splodey_Goat 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (9子コメント)

While I agree with Jon that the far left has gone way overboard, and have appreciated a lot of his political opinion up until now, I'm drawing the line at a lot of the stuff from the stream because all he's doing is slingshotting himself in the other direction. Like, yes, feminism has a lot of corruption, SJWs are bunch of self-entitled totalitarian 12-year-olds, BLM has a nasty habit of overreacting and stepping all over other people's issues, but you can reject bad people on the left without immediately hopping in bed with well-known racists and conspiracy theorists.

Maybe I'm completely off base, it's just the impression I got. He's not really the rational everyman he seems to think he is, he's just dismissing and adopting opposite stances to anything those damn dirty liberals like, because if a liberal likes it it must be a lie and he's just too enlightened to fall for that. /s

[–]Howisthisaname 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (6子コメント)

well-known racists and conspiracy theorists

You're joking.

Sargon is not a racist. He's a classical liberal, and if not that, a centrist. Do you even know why he was banned on twitter? He pissed off the alt right. Then they fabricated that Sargon sent children porn and got him banned.

[–]Splodey_Goat 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (4子コメント)

I was more talking about him apparently retweeting and talking with people from infowars and breitbart, but you know what I'll admit I might've jumped the gun, I don't actually follow Jon I'm just going off what I've seen other comments say.

It's also been a while since I watched any of Sargon's videos but no matter what labels you wanna slap on him he does have a pretty noticeable Islamophobic streak.

[–]Howisthisaname 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (3子コメント)

I also do not often watch Sargon, maybe once every few months I wander into one of his videos. But I do know he's not a racist. I think you may be confusing critique of Islam as a whole as Islamophobia, but I'm not going to assume. Perhaps I missed something with him?

Sorry if I came off a bit hostile, I'm just tired of seeing people paint others as the worst extremes because they disagree with them. I've seen it so much lately...

[–]agentsometime 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, I don't like that it seems like he's basing his political ideologies off of just wanting to oppose SJW's.

[–]Albino_Namekian 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

And as you said, you're going to need to identify those well known racists and conspiracy theorists. Sargon ain't one of them.

[–]crimsonchibolt 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

um incase anyone would like to know jontron is doing a stream with sargon of Akkad if anyone wanted to know that because i have no doubt people will not like it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyFXpXVZ8ho

[–]Spicy-fingers 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I leave the sub for 1 month and it all turns to this?

[–]SM64Guy 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Jon's opening Pandora's Box, I sure hope he knows what he's doing.

[–]VelSparkoNow that's a swood grommet who knows where his towel is! 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I don't really pay attention to political stuff, but I've been told that I'm very left-leaning. I think as long as he keeps this political opinion stuff out of the humourous JonTron videos, I'll be happy. He's a redpilled /pol/ack and I think those guys are politically incorrect and just wrong, but they're funny sometimes. If he wants to make a vlog, he has the right. He just shouldn't get upset when people in the comments get angry at his relatively unpopular opinion.

And let's not forget that he was against Donny being the president. He supported Bernie Sanders, and he tweeted his support for Hillary, saying "this is about not voting for Trump".

[–]YoshiYogurt 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (0子コメント)

He's a redpilled /pol/ack

supported Bernie Sanders

In this day and age, being liberal just isn't enough, if you aren't a full on SJW, might as well be a red piller or whatever /s

[–]EagleStrike411 80 ポイント81 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Reading through Jon's tweets was like a breath of fresh air compared to reading the liberal circlejerk that is Reddit, Twitter, and the rest of YouTube. I have so much more respect for Jon after this, not really for what he said, but for basically speaking his mind and not conforming to the majority. There is a frighteningly true stereotype for people like Jon on YouTube and Twitter, that is "all popular YouTubers are leftists that hate Trump and say America is over, Trump is evil, Hillary should have won, etc.".

[–]RaitoGG 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Right? Even this thread seems biased. Why is it evil or bad or stupid for him to have an opinion? It's so ironic, too. Some right-wingers are too extreme and label every Muslim a terrorist, ergo they're racist. But because a few of them are, everyone who is right-wing is automatically racist? That's basically the fuckin exact same thing as what made you angry about racists in the first place. You're doing literally the exact same. Lumping innocent people together with idiotic vocal minorities.

[–]Haleela 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I don't know why people feel the need to box Jon up as "right wing" or whatever. He, like most normal people, has differing views. Some a little to the left and some a little to the right, most likely like most people you know.

He poked fun at the women's march, why? I couldn't say but that doesn't mean he's lost his mind or he's "changed". He probably saw people saying dumb shit supporting it and wanted to rustle them specifically, not the entire group. I'm not defending that he did a piss poor job of it but I dunno, I see him as a human being who says dumb shit and gets angry on the internet sometimes.

[–]cookiedees 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (4子コメント)

To be honest at first I found the tweets amusing and I have to agree with him. Sidenote: I'm left wing oriented but I'm not an American citizen. Anyway the big problem I see in Western countries in general is 1. that we have forgot how to talk each other 2. that imo we're all humans at the end. What do I mean by that? By openly rejecting any other position than yours, you motivate your opponent to do the same. If you're a feminist fine idc, but you know forcefully assuming that every human being has to approve your point without reflecting on your standpoint? Give it a thought but it doesn't sound right to me. I respect all humans the same regardless of their age, skin color, gender or religion. What I don't respect is people actively exploiting people for personal benefit.

[–]fin34 47 ポイント48 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Do you see the woman's March as "actively exploiting people for personal benefit"? Otherwise I'm not sure what context this comes from

[–]Crimsondidongo 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Has JonTron said anything actually right wing or just ReviewtechUSA level shit but edgier?

[–]admrysThe game's playing itself, John 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

[–]mcslats12345 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm left leaning but a lot of his tweets (from what I saw) seemed pretty funny and just pointing out the insanity of 2017 America

[–]Wraith_GraveSpell 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

you're tearing us apart JonTron!!