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/r/politics is brigading...why is this manipulation allowed? (self.conspiracy)
bitcoin_noob が 8時間前 投稿
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/5qm9j4/kgb_chief_linked_to_trump_file_found_dead/
Check out the post history of the top commentators who have come here to push this pro 'Russian hacking' narrative with a strong hint of 'Pizzagate is totally fake'.
They are all from /r/politics. All of Reddit knows that sub is a bizarre world of paid shills.
[–]WooTs_67 130 ポイント131 ポイント132 ポイント 7時間前 (51子コメント)
This isn't the first time they've done this.
Honestly, reddit admins have threatened to shut down the_donald for brigading, it has been proven that /r/politics have done this twice before here in this sub
Shut /r/politics down
[–]neatntidy 72 ポイント73 ポイント74 ポイント 4時間前 (7子コメント)
I remember when /conspiracy wasn't full of partisan bullshit.
[–]DeafDumbBlindBoy 9 ポイント10 ポイント11 ポイント 1時間前 (0子コメント)
I remember when /conspiracy correctly identified that the problem in American Government is a bi-partisan problem.
That was then and also now. /Conspiracy hasn't changed, /politics has.
[–]spezzingout 15 ポイント16 ポイント17 ポイント 2時間前 (5子コメント)
I remember when /r/conspiracy wasn't full of people constantly whining about the sub being partisan. Go back to your sub.
[–]Elmo_Tully 35 ポイント36 ポイント37 ポイント 2時間前 (4子コメント)
/r/conspiracy has pretty much turned into /r/politics... For us non American conspiracy guys it's a bit dull. Where's my Annunaki/Archon fix??
[–]TenaTurner 5 ポイント6 ポイント7 ポイント 1時間前 (0子コメント)
ive never heard of the archon thing what is that?
[–]machocamacho88 7 ポイント8 ポイント9 ポイント 1時間前 (0子コメント)
So says the Trump supporters.....and /r/conspiracy has turned into /r/the_donald, says the Hillary hypocrites. The vast majority of us are part of neither of those camps.
[–]caveman1337 3 ポイント4 ポイント5 ポイント 1時間前 (0子コメント)
You help shape this sub. You want to start conversations about non-American conspiracies, start a thread. Sounds pretty interesting tbh
[–]BigPharmaSucks 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 1時間前 (0子コメント)
Check out /r/highstrangeness
[–]Madwack 4 ポイント5 ポイント6 ポイント 2時間前 (1子コメント)
let them brigade it wont make F*** all of a difference.
[–]CarpenterWalrus [スコア非表示] 41分前 (0子コメント)
Can you not say Fuck?
[–]machocamacho88 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 1時間前 (0子コメント)
Remember no bad tactics, only bad targets, it's the SJW way. You are posting on a site owned by SJWs. This is the sort of thing you are going to have to live with if you want to continue to fight the good fight here. Let them brigade. Point it out. Anyone swayed by mere vote totals versus the substance of the post is not someone engaged in critical thinking.
[–]whitepalms85 12 ポイント13 ポイント14 ポイント 1時間前 (5子コメント)
But /r/politics is right. Why does this sub ignore and even censor Trump conspiracies? How is the dead, former kgb guy not top here? Also the mods to allow brigading from t_d.
[–]Th_rowAwayAccount 8 ポイント9 ポイント10 ポイント 1時間前 (3子コメント)
They aren't. You are concern trolling.
[–][削除されました] 1時間前 (1子コメント)
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[–]machocamacho88 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 1時間前 (0子コメント)
What's going on in one thread? Sorry, we don't profess to control the narrative here like it is controlled in other subs (i.e.: /r/politics).
[–]G_Petronius 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 2時間前 (3子コメント)
/r/the_donald was forbidden from making any mention of /r/politics. /r/politics should be forbidden from making any mention of /r/the_donald and, since they can't stop brigading it, /r/conspiracy. It's only fair.
[–]Mike_McDermott [スコア非表示] 22分前 (2子コメント)
Do you get the same brigading problem at uncensorednews?
[–]G_Petronius [スコア非表示] 20分前 (1子コメント)
We used to in our early months, not anymore though.
[–]Mike_McDermott [スコア非表示] 16分前 (0子コメント)
Keep up the good work.
[–]Fart_McFart_Fart 8 ポイント9 ポイント10 ポイント 7時間前 (26子コメント)
Shut both of them down. They're both annoying echo chambers that do nothing but try to push their narrative onto everybody else. Fuck both of those places tbqh.
[–]aaaaa2222 62 ポイント63 ポイント64 ポイント 7時間前 (24子コメント)
The_donald was created to be an echo chamber, no different from any subreddit dedicated to a single person.
"Politics" is a noun,
Is t_d run by some out of control mods? Absolutely. Have reddit admins done everything in its power to prevent t_d from showing up on the front page. 100%.
Where is the admin reaction to r-politics? Once again, a subreddit built from a noun.
[–]AdamMorrisonHotel 21 ポイント22 ポイント23 ポイント 1時間前 (5子コメント)
"Politics" is a noun
So is "conspiracy." If y'all just went with /r/protrumpconspiracy, this sub would be less of a joke. Seriously, right now your front page is: one post about the dead KGB agent, 5 posts complaining about the post about the dead KGB agent, and like 10 posts about fucking Pizzagate. Calling other subs "echo chambers" in a thread that perfectly illustrates how this place has transformed into t_d v2.0 is pretty rich.
[–]Kancer86 -2 ポイント-1 ポイント0 ポイント 1時間前 (2子コメント)
Nice post history, I'm sure you're genuinely concerned about the integrity of this sub and not just another anti trump troll from /r/politics right?
[–]Chocolate_lobster [スコア非表示] 49分前 (1子コメント)
Attacking someone's post history because you can't refute anything they're saying makes you look pretty desperate and weak. Just sayin
[–]WWTSound [スコア非表示] 4分前 (0子コメント)
Says the person with a 30day old account and 1450 karma from 1 post
[–]machocamacho88 -1 ポイント0 ポイント1 ポイント 1時間前 (1子コメント)
You partisan warriors need to go somewhere else. The sub is not meant to be partisan.
[–]Gadfly360 [スコア非表示] 36分前 (0子コメント)
This is one of the least partisan subreddits on Reddit as the majority of it's users realize that there is no difference between the Republican and Democratic parties except on irrelevant social issues.
[+]VirulentThoughts スコアが基準値未満のコメント-14 ポイント-13 ポイント-12 ポイント 6時間前 (17子コメント)
What a convoluted rationalization.
If you brigade, you are breaking the rules. Both do it. Both deserve the punishment. Neither will get it because Reddit can control the message without banning either one.
[–]mconeone 19 ポイント20 ポイント21 ポイント 4時間前 (16子コメント)
You miss his point, that it wasn't /r/Clinton or /r/liberal, it was a general politics sub, twisted by shills into an echo chamber.
[–]WutUtalkingBoutWill -1 ポイント0 ポイント1 ポイント 2時間前 (1子コメント)
twisted by shills into an echo chamber.
Well that means both are echo chambers then, shut them both down.
[–]mconeone 6 ポイント7 ポイント8 ポイント 2時間前 (0子コメント)
Keep them open! Rename politics as it's current one is disingenuous.
[–]VirulentThoughts -5 ポイント-4 ポイント-3 ポイント 4時間前 (13子コメント)
NAh, I got his point, but you missed mine.
/r/politics was always a liberal echo chamber started for the same reason as T_D but it wasn't a conflict before because reddit as a community and a company liked it that way.
Reddit has evolved to become more mainstream and so more conservative views have become represented. Now both subs behave poorly and blame each other.
[–]GitmoNationSlave 8 ポイント9 ポイント10 ポイント 3時間前 (1子コメント)
HAHAHA dude you are fucking delusional. In that case nuke /r/politics so they dont have the huge bump in subscribers from being a default sub for a while. Let them remake /r/liberalpolitics. What the shit does a Trump fan subreddit have to do with /r/politics????
[–]VirulentThoughts 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 3時間前 (0子コメント)
Are you that naive that you don't understand that reddit has editorial bias?
This isn't some kids garage project anymore and it hasn't been for a while now. Control over any sub with more than a certain number of subscribers is like running a magazine with that many readers.
Conde Nast doesn't want the same thing for reddit that you want. It is a privately held company with a specific agenda. If you think that's ever going to change, you need more red-pilling than you are going to get here.
The Newhouse family runs Advance Media. Advance Media owns Conde Nast. Conde Nast owns GQ, Reddit, Vogue, and oddly enough, Golf Digest.
https://golf.clickon.co/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/C2Y5nYHXcAAJPAf.jpg
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/817374875962769408
[–]WaitTilUSeeMyDick 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 1時間前 (1子コメント)
NAh, I got his point, but you missed mine. /r/politics was always a liberal echo chamber
/r/politics was always a liberal echo chamber
Did you see r.politics the day after the election? It was back to what I remember. Debate, people actually being able to call things out, multiple viewpoints all mixing together (rather) peacefully, no huge downvote gang-ups...It was honestly pretty great.
For like... A day.
I understand that reddit leans left. So do I, but with a huge skidmark of cynicism. That is currently beyond absent in r.politics; once again. It honestly looks manufactured.
R.politics is supposed to be a mixed bag. T_D is an intentional Trump circle-jerk. Which is fine. This sub is a horse of a different color. The shit stirring during this election has caused a lot of crossover with T_D crowd because the DNC and Clinton gave us a lot of shit to work with honestly. A lot of us don't like Clinton because there are a ludicrous amount of sketchy things to look into.
But. This Newspeak from the MSM (fake news etc)? The constant barrage of anti-trump on every sub besides this one and T_D (PissGate was the ONLY time I've seen this sub hit the FP)? The militant push back against PedoGate from said MSM? At least PedoGate grew naturally. PissGate reeks of astroturfing (fake grassroots).
This post has gone on too long. But my point is; the core of this sub is totally still here. We question everything and form our own conclusion. Brigading this sub is only going to stir the shit-pot. We are going to wonder why it happened and dig in.
[–]bacon_flavored [スコア非表示] 11分前 (0子コメント)
100% right. It should be r/t_d vs r/lib or r/Hillary. R/pol is given a huge bump by being a default that by name should be about all politics. Which it was before this election. Reddit allows them to benefit as a default because it is their narrative and they don't care.
To any of us who have been here for a long time, it is completely obvious. When t_d started coming here it was because of all the leaks by Seth rich and the overwhelming flood of corruption coming out of the left. Anything worth mentioning conspiracy wise about Trump was absolutely entertained here and discussed.
Now there is a clear agenda by the r/pol crowd to try and flood this sub with misdirection and not any actual conspiracies. It's just whining. And it does nothing but show that Brock is ineffective without the collusion of the reddit admins.
[–]mconeone 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 3時間前 (8子コメント)
Liar.
[–]VirulentThoughts 3 ポイント4 ポイント5 ポイント 3時間前 (7子コメント)
Show me objectively the point in history where /r/politics went from a balanced presentation of both sides to a liberal echo chamber and I'll make my flair on this sub reddit "Liar".
[–]WaitTilUSeeMyDick [スコア非表示] 55分前 (0子コメント)
As I said, look at r.politics basically the year of the election vs the day or two after Trump won. The day that CTR wasn't needed anymore (until Brock's "American Bridge" rolled them in).
If you can't see the difference I am sorry.
[–]flightgirl1 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 1時間前 (0子コメント)
Around the time CTR received an influx of 6 million last summer there was a noticeable spike in anti-Trump, pro-Clinton posts. It was never pro-Clinton before that.
This wasnt due to Bernie dropping out. Most Bernie supporters hated Clinton for cheating Bernie out of the nomination as Wikileaks exposed.
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[–]VirulentThoughts 4 ポイント5 ポイント6 ポイント 3時間前 (3子コメント)
What a compelling argument. I will include that perspective in my future life choices.
[–]mastigia 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 1時間前 (0子コメント)
T_D is a sandbox. Politics is a swingset where the users get as high as they can and jump.
[–]flightgirl1 -1 ポイント0 ポイント1 ポイント 1時間前* (0子コメント)
How much money has George Soros pumped into David Brock's new anti-Trump Super-Pac, American Bridge? It has replaced CTR. Its goal is to impeach Trump. It formed last month around the same time as the ImpeachTrump sub here.
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/david-brock-donald-trump-donor-network-231588
http://freebeacon.com/uncategorized/confidential-david-brock-memo-defeat-trump-impeachment/
[+]rhinocerosGreg スコアが基準値未満のコメント-8 ポイント-7 ポイント-6 ポイント 1時間前 (1子コメント)
You people are delusional. The difference is r/politics is average people who find random motivation toward certain topics because they cared enough in the moment. These other people go through great lengths to push whatever agenda youre hardlining right now. Paid shills are maybe .00001% of posts and comments over the entirety of reddit. Simply stating these unsubstantiated generalizations is the reason for so much animosity between people when we're all the same greedy, irrational assholes. Both you and me. Stop being so delusional, and try to think more critically
[–]fuster_cluq 7 ポイント8 ポイント9 ポイント 1時間前 (0子コメント)
Calling people delusional is a great way to get people to agree with you, just to let you know. Also, do you know how easy it is to buy fake accounts and up votes? Someone paid for post to get to the top of r/all and posted a video about it. You can even buy accounts that already have alot of karma so it's hard to tell if they are shills or not
[–]Nogrim5 42 ポイント43 ポイント44 ポイント 7時間前 (0子コメント)
its been pretty frustrating, but painfully obvious.
[–]CivilianConsumer 47 ポイント48 ポイント49 ポイント 8時間前 (26子コメント)
I've noticed, they're all new to the sub, acting like the report is verified when it's complete and utter unproven not credible bs. There are dozens of them on here trying to frame their narrative, brigade and coordinating upvotes and downvotes and trying to control this sub
[–]PiensoQue 90 ポイント91 ポイント92 ポイント 6時間前* (23子コメント)
I did actually check the history of the top commentators in that thread are they are not r/politics related.
Then I've checked OP and the top commentators of this thread , and all of you are active in r/The_Donald .
There are dozens of them on here trying to frame their narrative, brigade and coordinating upvotes and downvotes and trying to control this sub
Yeah, this pretty much sums up what you have been doing in this sub.
(Edit: Thanks for the gold!)
[–]WhatIfLove 24 ポイント25 ポイント26 ポイント 5時間前 (2子コメント)
????
The number one comment has only 3 total comments in his entire history, Worldnews, altright, and that comment.
First response to that is "TheLiberalLover" who bought shares that Trump will be impeached. He's a regular on EnoughTrumpSpam, politics, news, and worldnews. He responded to someone calling out the brigading, calling it a lie. And his post history is calling out PizzaGate as fake news and pushing PissGate as real news.
Then there's a "Deleted" comment and the next response is a politics browser again..
I could go on and on..
[–]DinosaursDidntExist [スコア非表示] 57分前 (0子コメント)
This is the author of the top comment u/thebabyseagull, notice they are a TD poster and conspiracy regular.
This is the author of the second top comment u/JolietJake, they post in a variety of subs but I didn't see politics on their first page.
The third top comment is as you say, with three comments total.
Doesn't seem like they are all politics posters though.
Sorted by 'best' btw, this is what was on top for me.
[–]dunstan_shlaes [スコア非表示] 40分前 (0子コメント)
You've got it! Trump supporters love brigading and claiming otherwise. It's not hard to find out who's the brigader. Look at their post history, time as member, and number of posts deleted.
[–]Zig_Zagged -3 ポイント-2 ポイント-1 ポイント 1時間前 (0子コメント)
The two communities overlap. There are moderate conservatives, middle aligned / independent registered, and converted liberals and democrats existing in The_Donald. It's not a giant Conservative circlejerk like outsiders believe (some of it is but there's a lot of hate for Career Politicians of both sides, with right leaning views).
When people can admit they've been manipulated and lied to they slowly make their way over to The_Donald, the next step from there is here.
I imagine you'll find irony in my last statement just like the "pot calling the kettle black" remark you posted above. My point is that if you focus on the vocal minority of a sub that is really about pushing buttons on their perceived opposition, you're being incredibly dismissive of the moderate middle of the road types existing there because it's all they have here on reddit given their personal ideologies are silenced in any other sub.
It's r/politics vocal minority being backed by CTR that caused The_Donald to manifest. People who wanted to be able to discuss a topic or have an opposing view without being shilled out the door and shouted down needed a place to go.
[–]GitmoNationSlave 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 3時間前 (14子コメント)
You clearly did not, I checked several several users all of them politics, ets, hillaryclinton for christ sake!!!!!
[–]Blandified 4 ポイント5 ポイント6 ポイント 2時間前 (13子コメント)
Sadly, people will look through a comment chain and stop when they get to an opinion they like. And the above comment accomplishes just that since people won't do their own homework.
[–]MASTURBATES_YOUR_DAD [スコア非表示] 45分前 (12子コメント)
Also the bullshit gold to make it seem like a good post.
As I've said many times before on this sub, Fuck Trump, but also it's really obvious that partisan hacks from politics are here to push an agenda.
They all speak the exact same way - that hyper arrogant, transparently manipulative attempt to control "objective" discussion.
People who are interested in conspiracies don't spend so much time demanding that other people see something as a conspiracy.
Partisan hacks that want their political viewpoint to dominate the entire site, however, do spend a lot of time claiming that their narrative is the true conspiracy and thus anyone who disagrees must be a Donald or Russian shill.
It's just so obvious when they do their hyper partisan circle jerk to hype up their narrative.
[–]DinosaursDidntExist [スコア非表示] 25分前 (11子コメント)
Except their post is literally true.
This is the author of the top comment u/thebabyseagull, they are a TD poster and conspiracy regular.
The third top comment poster has three posts (suspicious), altright worldnews and conspiracy.
[–]thebabyseagull [スコア非表示] 22分前 (4子コメント)
You summoned me?
What you arguing about?
[–]DinosaursDidntExist [スコア非表示] 20分前 (3子コメント)
Did I? I thought it doesn't ping if I don't include the first slash?
[–]thebabyseagull [スコア非表示] 10分前 (2子コメント)
I never pings for me?
I just seen the notification.
Why doesnt it ping for me?
[–]DinosaursDidntExist [スコア非表示] 6分前 (1子コメント)
I think that's just what the notification is called, it doesn't make an audible ping for me either. Oh well I didn't mean to summon you I was just saying you're not an r/politics shill.
[–]MASTURBATES_YOUR_DAD [スコア非表示] 20分前 (5子コメント)
So you're saying the person who made the top comment on some thread also posts in the Donald subreddit?!?
My god you've broken though their corrupt system!!
Keep on concern trolling, it's a good look.
[–]DinosaursDidntExist [スコア非表示] 18分前 (4子コメント)
What are you talking about? I was just saying the top comments aren't all politics posters. I have no problem with them posting in TD, it was just a good example of how they weren't some politics shill.
[–]MASTURBATES_YOUR_DAD [スコア非表示] 12分前 (3子コメント)
So your point is that not every single comment is a politics shill?
Okay?
[–]DinosaursDidntExist [スコア非表示] 10分前 (2子コメント)
Yes, that's what this thread, the comment chain, and the gilded comment you referred to are about. Accusations of the top comments being from politics regulars. It's easy to verify that's not true.
[–]moparornocar 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 6時間前 (2子コメント)
haha the trumpers are getting triggered. ill wait for my downvotes.
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[–]garlicdeath 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 1時間前 (0子コメント)
Honestly, I'm sick of all the tears from both sides after all these years. It's like reading comments from two groups of children crying and insulting each other. It's pathetic.
[–]EthniK_ElectriK 4 ポイント5 ポイント6 ポイント 1時間前 (0子コメント)
Like everything here is proven lol, it's CONSPIRACY you dense redhat motherfucker
[–]MarlboroMundo 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 1時間前 (0子コメント)
One thing I wish Reddit had, that many other forums have, are post counts on your profile. For Reddit it would have to be sub Reddit specific but it would make it easier to determine if someone was new to a sub or not.
I'm sure there is a tool or website that does this already though...
[–]gaseouspartdeux 15 ポイント16 ポイント17 ポイント 6時間前 (1子コメント)
They did that recently in /r/Hawaii when some of us were criticizing Zuckenberg for trying to sue Hawaiian deed holders who had title to the land he bought in Kauai.
[–]Lord_Newbie 5 ポイント6 ポイント7 ポイント 4時間前 (0子コメント)
I seen 2 comments that werent really pro zuckenberg, seems more like a concern troll. You got any links?
[–]P_Alleline 43 ポイント44 ポイント45 ポイント 5時間前 (13子コメント)
Basically right now, Donald Trump is involved in a high profile Political Conspiracy. This means that you are going to find a large number of crossover between the conspiracy, politics and Trump subreddits.
The fact of the matter is that a lot of the Trump is a Russian Agent stuff is too speculative for the regular news and political forums, so it ends up here with the UFO sightings and Philadelphia Experiments.
Now, as I said this is pretty high profile. This means that a lot of people are interested in it. A lot more than the usual fringe theories* that are discussed here. From your perspective I guess it must look quite weird to see a sudden influx of people who do not share your outlook and try to challenge it, but think about it, it's a pretty natural thing. Like some athletics subreddit filling up with traffic when the Olympics are on.
Look at things from the other perspective. The Russian stuff, while speculative, has a lot of legs. Follow the money, look at who is being put in power and what they stand to gain from lifting sanctions. Imagine that you are thinking about these things and you come and post here.
The Russian stuff is flagged as unverified. Nothing else seems to be flagged as unverified. Not the cheese pizza = child porn stuff, not the reptiles control the monarchy stuff. There's a high scoring thread where a guy is blaming Obama for Trump not keeping the White House complaint-line open. Put yourself in their shoes and think about what this place looks like.
[–]soberreflection 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 3時間前 (8子コメント)
The Russian stuff is flagged as unverified. Nothing else seems to be flagged as unverified.
From the last time this subject came up:
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/5nb4nl/complaints_about_unverified_flair_in_recent_trump/
[–]P_Alleline 5 ポイント6 ポイント7 ポイント 1時間前 (7子コメント)
Sorry, perhaps I phrased that in an unclear manner.
When I said Look at things from the other perspective. I meant from the perspective of someone who sees a political conspiracy unfolding before them, and decides to go post about it on the conspiracy sub. They get here and they see all these threads on the front page discussing unverified subjects, but only the Trump-Russia thread is marked as "unverified", and all these people are trying to shout them down and call them shills for trying to discuss it.
How does that look to them? How would you expect them to react? I'll tell you how it looks - like a red flag to a bull. Nothing gets people going like a cover up.
[–]MASTURBATES_YOUR_DAD [スコア非表示] 42分前 (6子コメント)
So you're saying this sub is getting a lot of new and outside users who are pushing the US Deep State narrative of Trump being a Russian plant and the existing user base isn't very receptive to that?
And the problem is that people who don't use this sub are upset and don't understand why their singular focus on that issue isn't being warmly embraced here?
[–]HBombthrow [スコア非表示] 39分前 (5子コメント)
They're saying it's mighty suspicious when people on r/conspiracy are fighting tooth and nail to silence a pretty plausible conspiracy with reams of circumstantial evidence, especially when "This guy is a pedophile lizard person because he talked about pizza" is accepted uncritically
[–]MASTURBATES_YOUR_DAD [スコア非表示] 31分前 (4子コメント)
And I'm saying that partisan hacks demanding that everyone else agree with their "plausible conspiracy" and then attacking people who don't agree is pretty transparent.
They've fucked up enough subreddits in their drive to control the narrative, I'd prefer if they didn't do it to this one.
It hasn't been warmly received here because it's a partisan brigade attempting to control the discussion.
[–]HBombthrow [スコア非表示] 22分前 (3子コメント)
Aren't the ones with a drive to control the narrative the ones who are labeling and deleting a particular story?
[–]MASTURBATES_YOUR_DAD [スコア非表示] 13分前 (2子コメント)
Not if it's in response to obvious partisan brigades. If the roles were reversed, the admins would have taken care of it.
But since they don't actually care about rules and instead care about pushing certain narratives, the brigading of this sub is a-okay.
At least the mods here are attempting to do something in the face of the blatant double standard of the admins over brigading in this sub.
[–]HBombthrow [スコア非表示] 8分前 (1子コメント)
Wow, literally the people shutting down debate are claiming "censorship". This is some 1984 shit. " I had to censor you for censoring me."
[–]MASTURBATES_YOUR_DAD [スコア非表示] 2分前 (0子コメント)
Did my comment come up blank for you or were you going to ignore it and write that regardless?
[+]legenj スコアが基準値未満のコメント-6 ポイント-5 ポイント-4 ポイント 2時間前 (3子コメント)
I wonder how can someone bother to write some much shit before actually trying to know what happened in the first place, in the time you needed to shitpost you could have searched on why it was flagged as unverified (hint, the articles themselves said that it was unverified)
[–]PuppooChuppoo 3 ポイント4 ポイント5 ポイント 1時間前 (2子コメント)
I mean an article could reach the front page about how Morgan Freeman is a secret lizard and it wouldnt be tagged as unverified.
[–]MASTURBATES_YOUR_DAD [スコア非表示] 41分前 (0子コメント)
I think it has more to do with the fact that those narratives are being pushed by accounts like yours: two weeks old and singularly focused on anti-Trump, pro Democrat claims.
[–]P_Alleline -3 ポイント-2 ポイント-1 ポイント 1時間前 (0子コメント)
To my knowledge it isn't verified that he is not a secret lizard either.
Think about it.
[–]TheSilenceMEh 27 ポイント28 ポイント29 ポイント 2時間前 (3子コメント)
God when something that isnt pizzagate finally starts getting traction you start crying foulplay, the_donald has infested this subreddit, almost every post is complaining about this unverifiable post about the russian leak which has conspiracy written all over it. But instead you turn around and upvote more pizzagate stuff because somehow thats more credible.
[–]WillRichardRichards 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 1時間前 (0子コメント)
It is.
[–]quackchomp [スコア非表示] 59分前 (1子コメント)
Too bad it seems that the mods only care about one side of the shills, while the other can happily control this sub. When has an unverified post about Hillary or Obama or Biden or pizzagate EVER been tagged as ANYTHING? Yet three big trump posts and all three are tagged and deleted? Our top post right now is from a T_D shill and nothing is done... this sub is in a sad state and the mods couldn't care less
[–]KhalifaKidV2 [スコア非表示] 28分前 (0子コメント)
I'm almost always against throwing around accusations of shilling, however it's quite clear the mods are compromised
[–]Making_Butts_Hurt 5 ポイント6 ポイント7 ポイント 4時間前 (4子コメント)
Reddit is being brigaded, and has been for months, by various groups with opaque motives. Some are clearly pro trump or Hillary. Others are less opaque like the pissgate pushers, or the pg deniers.
[–]strategosInfinitum 11 ポイント12 ポイント13 ポイント 3時間前 (3子コメント)
It's amazing how you're willing to dismiss one for which there is far more evidence while taking believing a bunch a of emails about pizza are code for child abuse.
[–]Making_Butts_Hurt -1 ポイント0 ポイント1 ポイント 3時間前 (2子コメント)
Oh please do tell me what you think you know about pg.
[–]strategosInfinitum 16 ポイント17 ポイント18 ポイント 3時間前 (1子コメント)
That's it's a pile of shit concocted by 4chan only a fool would believe. Even your God Trump isn't pursuing that it's so stupid.
[–]Making_Butts_Hurt -4 ポイント-3 ポイント-2 ポイント 3時間前 (0子コメント)
Oh goodie. Please continue proving how ignorant you are.
[–]Flytape 6 ポイント7 ポイント8 ポイント 5時間前 (5子コメント)
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/5qjq9r/for_the_second_time_in_a_week_i_have_caught_2x/dd0jbdx/?context=3
Compare to
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/5qm9j4/kgb_chief_linked_to_trump_file_found_dead/dd0gjzd/
[–]jdotg 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 2時間前 (0子コメント)
Jesus. Talk about some copy pasta
[–]AssuredlyAThrowAway 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 1時間前 (0子コメント)
Nice catch.
Will the admins do anything about this obvious briagding?
Find out next week on "How reddit admins selectively apply their TOS to advance an ideological agenda!"
:/
[–]facereplacer3 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 3時間前 (0子コメント)
Unreal.
[–]20thsieclefox [スコア非表示] 24分前 (0子コメント)
Don't forget this one
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/5qktgz/mystery_death_of_exkgb_chief_linked_to_mi6_spys/dd0j9y9
[–]EightyNineMillion 12 ポイント13 ポイント14 ポイント 5時間前 (4子コメント)
The double gold tipped me off. That never happens (or at least it's quite rare). The high number of upvotes that post has received in 6 hours is fishy.
[–]Kind_Of_A_Dick 35 ポイント36 ポイント37 ポイント 3時間前 (3子コメント)
If it trends in /r/all, it's going to bring a lot more attention from people who don't normally use this sub. This is why you'll see some strange behavior right around the time of highly upvoted posts. It trends, more people see and upvote if, it gets higher and more visible, it attracts more people, and then some will stay and check out the rest of the sub.
[–]FloopyMuscles 5 ポイント6 ポイント7 ポイント 2時間前* (0子コメント)
I'm here because of /r/all. Edit: Where did that post go?
[–]KingJames19 -2 ポイント-1 ポイント0 ポイント 3時間前 (0子コメント)
We would never upvote that post in the first place though
[–]TaintedSquirrel 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 3時間前 (0子コメント)
It's hitting /r/all because this subreddit was referenced in another popular /r/politics thread.
[–]EricCarver 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 2時間前 (0子コメント)
Ride it out. Their numbers can't be beat. We are over double our usual visitorship and have been for hours.
[–]_OCCUPY_MARS_ 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 2時間前 (0子コメント)
Yeah it's crazy. The second top comment in the /r/politics thread called out /r/conspiracy. | archive
Boy, just look at r/conspiracy rushing to pour over every detail of this international, high-stakes murder mystery involving top secret agents at the highest level of government! .....not.
Boy, just look at r/conspiracy rushing to pour over every detail of this international, high-stakes murder mystery involving top secret agents at the highest level of government!
.....not.
The thread has since been removed because the article was behind a survey apparently. That probably sent more people this way.
There is also a massive influx of /r/all users.
[–]KhalifaKidV2 7 ポイント8 ポイント9 ポイント 2時間前 (0子コメント)
Jesus Christ can we stop pretending we know who is a shill and who is not?
Believe it or not there are people like us who want the truth no matter what.
I mean, have we forgotten our roots? Pizzagate, Pissgate, why are we fighting over which is true when /r/conspiracy used to hate BOTH sides of the aisle?
[–]cali2kazan 3 ポイント4 ポイント5 ポイント 3時間前 (0子コメント)
/r/politics is out of control. hands down the most toxic sub on reddit.
[–]murphy212 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 7時間前 (1子コメント)
Thanks OP for bringing this up. I described the phenomenon here and proposed a way to counter-attack. The thread was brigaded and downvoted into oblivion. Now it's weird because it says 70% of upvotes with a few points whereas it had much much more (with much less %). A paranormal phenomenon, I tell ya :)
The bottom line is they've found this new weapon: real humans. They brigade them from normie pastures to come here and flood certain of our threads - I haven't yet been able to find how or where they do this.
[–]dontkillmehillary 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 3時間前 (0子コメント)
We know accounts and up-votes can be bought. I posted a thread about sites that offers these services and a few days ago another user posted a link to another site.
Theory; CTR was running hard until CGI started closing offices. The money is running out so US shills might be out of work.
Those funding the shilling have had to downsize and off shore the work (welcome to IT support in North America). Shilling is now provided by bodies in India manning old CTR accounts or using newly purchased ones. Vote manipulation is also off shore.
I've noticed all of the suspicious activity lately has been occuring when the US is asleep and India wide awake. Shilling is also possible from Europe too I supposed as there is some cheap IT labor to be found there in the midnight hours also.
This is just a theory mind you and I might be completely wrong also.
[–]WikiLeaksOfficial 7 ポイント8 ポイント9 ポイント 7時間前* (1子コメント)
So? Refute them and stop whining. Are you that rhetorically weak that you can't defend your own theories and challenge others? You're basically admitting to an attempt to try to preserve an artificial narrative here by silencing critical thought. If conspiracy isn't about opening your eyes to all possibilities then what is it about?
Edit: also, can you point to a /r/politics thread that is directing users to come here?
[–]rahrness 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 4時間前 (0子コメント)
Are you really expecting people to be simple-minded enough to believe that the organized groups exerting control over subs including but not limited to r/politics hold their strategy discussions on reddit?
Its [current year], even non-political subs have their own discord servers
[–]facereplacer3 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 3時間前 (0子コメント)
Anyone here who buys it is a fool. Gilded, retarded, and easily disproven comments that say Russia INVADED Crimea are so provably false, I don't even know how these people aren't banned.
[–]WhenYouCloseYourEyes 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 4時間前 (3子コメント)
KGB hasnt been active for 25 years - whole article is a joke
mods please delete this - obvioulsy fake
[–]testname12 12 ポイント13 ポイント14 ポイント 3時間前* (2子コメント)
The FSB is pretty much the KGB and would have inherited everything, you think just because the soviet union collapsed these things didn't survive? Putin is ex-KGB which is completely public knowledge.
You know the Russian government today uses the Kremlin which was also use by the USSR?! shocking!
[–]le_meme_master2 -3 ポイント-2 ポイント-1 ポイント 2時間前 (0子コメント)
How gullible are you? The stupid pissgate document has already been confirmed fake.
[–]WhenYouCloseYourEyes -1 ポイント0 ポイント1 ポイント 2時間前 (0子コメント)
then the title should be clear - luckily the mods here are taking these stupid unfounded posts down
[–]KingJames19 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 3時間前* (0子コメント)
It's basic level thinking. Gossiping about another human being. The same human being that is a mouthpiece for a system that enslaves them. Encouraging them to seek bigger truths and to love their brothers and sisters if the only way up move on from petty politics and free ourselves from this prison
[–]we_are_devo 3 ポイント4 ポイント5 ポイント 7時間前 (0子コメント)
All of Reddit knows that sub is a bizarre world of paid shills.
As opposed to shills dumb enough to do it for free ¬_¬
cough
[–]AFuckYou 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 1時間前 (0子コメント)
He mods here can do something about it.
[–]Metallics 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 1時間前 (0子コメント)
It's okay snowflakes, they'll get tired and you can have your echo chamber back.
[–]axolotl_peyotl 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 1時間前 (0子コメント)
It's not.
[–]dannydevitoinaspeedo 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 7時間前 (7子コメント)
its a conspiracy so its allowed on /r/conspiracy but that thread is clearly being linked elsewhere
tracked it on reddit insight and 250 upvotes in 20 minutes on a subreddit known as "the_donald 2.0"
[–]meteotrio 10 ポイント11 ポイント12 ポイント 6時間前 (6子コメント)
It's on /r/all. This subreddit is the_donald 2.0 in all posts that don't make it to /r/all. Notice how everyone that doesn't love Trump is apparently a shill.
[–]dannydevitoinaspeedo 3 ポイント4 ポイント5 ポイント 6時間前 (5子コメント)
It's on /r/all
yes, please explain to me how it got there so quickly
[–]tindergod 14 ポイント15 ポイント16 ポイント 5時間前 (0子コメント)
There was another threadhere two days ago about a case from 2014 some boat with cocaine that also landed on the frontpage of r/all.
Explain this. Brigading?
[+]meteotrio スコアが基準値未満のコメント-6 ポイント-5 ポイント-4 ポイント 6時間前 (3子コメント)
Look above a link post and click on "Other discussions".
People see /r/politics post -> Check what other subreddits it's posted in -> Sees that it's posted on /r/conspiracy -> Upvoted to get to /r/all -> More upvotes.
[–]dannydevitoinaspeedo 5 ポイント6 ポイント7 ポイント 6時間前 (2子コメント)
im not going to believe that hundreds of people used the other discussions tab to get here. especially at the rate in which it was climbing.
that thread has now been guilded twice as well. anyone who has been around this sub for a while knows that this place is full of throwaway accounts that dont give a shit about purchasing/giving gold. automoderator is even getting up voted for fucks sake
[–]meteotrio -4 ポイント-3 ポイント-2 ポイント 6時間前 (1子コメント)
Obviously the post was gilded by people who came from /r/all then?
[–]dannydevitoinaspeedo 5 ポイント6 ポイント7 ポイント 5時間前 (0子コメント)
yes, and we both know how the thread got to /r/all.
i say it was brigaded and you say it was the "other discussions" tab. congrats were back at step 1
[–]qweasdaSda 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 3時間前 (0子コメント)
If you need an answer it's because Reddit is a total joke.
[–]thatlostshakerofsalt -1 ポイント0 ポイント1 ポイント 2時間前 (0子コメント)
Good question. Can't believe that tripe at the top. They need to admit to themselves they've been trolled with the golden showers story and stop trolling everyone else with their stupidity.
[–]spezzingout -1 ポイント0 ポイント1 ポイント 2時間前 (0子コメント)
Clear brigade. All I see is people whining about Trump. Don't get me wrong, let's advance any conspiracy theory relating to Trump, he is president now and should be under scrutiny. But I'm talking about just comment after comment railing on Trump and his supporters, and far fewer talking about actual theories and investigation. Definitely not the normal crowd here today.
[–]horoblast -1 ポイント0 ポイント1 ポイント 4時間前 (0子コメント)
CTR shills
[–]supergameman -1 ポイント0 ポイント1 ポイント 4時間前 (0子コメント)
It's very suspicious. There's several posts, all within the span of one hour with the exact same title "KGB Chief linked to Trump File found dead."
[–]AdalineMaj -9 ポイント-8 ポイント-7 ポイント 6時間前 (16子コメント)
From r/politics. This sub was linked in one of the top comments. That's how I made my way here and I'm sure the others.
Quick commentary. I think you guys are nuts for believing in pizzagate, but outright dissmissing Trump having Russia ties. Its like you guys cling on the most absurd ideas, but when an actual conspiracy that is plain is day comes around, you all turn into the most conservative skeptics. Weird bunch you are.
[–]murphy212 5 ポイント6 ポイント7 ポイント 4時間前* (6子コメント)
The point is that even if Trump did business with Russia, or was friends with Putin, it would still be a distraction.
Saudi Arabia's participation in financing 911 was exposed by a US congressional report recently declassified.
We know from Hillary Clinton herself that Saudi Arabia and Qatar are funding ISIS.
Gulf sheikdoms and the al-Saud crucify gays for being who they are, viciously lash women for adultery (among other atrocities and abuses to human rights).
With US weapons and support, Saudi Arabia is prosecuting a vicious war of aggression against its neighbor Yemen
These obese savage wahhabi kinglets are "our trusted friends and allies", and nobody criticizes them. They are welcomed in DC at the music of trumpets.
No, we're rather all about criticizing Russia, after having destabilized many of its neighbors, supported islamist insurgency in Chechnya, and circled them with military installations.
There is a very strong historical imperialist/neocon russophobic current in the US. You see, the hegemonists want to avoid at all costs the continental Berlin/Moscow/Beijing axis from forming (hence the recent destabilization of Ukraine, Europe being imposed to sanction Russia, etc.); such an Eurasian "world island" would undermine the influence of the Anglo-American maritime empire. Brzezinski explained it well in his book The Grand Chessboard.
That's why free-minded people in here disregard this obviously artificial Russian bashing. The hypocrisy is just too suffocating to ignore.
[–]AdalineMaj -1 ポイント0 ポイント1 ポイント 4時間前 (5子コメント)
Except one little fact brings you're entire theory down. Russia annexed Crimea.
[–]soberreflection 3 ポイント4 ポイント5 ポイント 3時間前 (1子コメント)
And how do you feel about the fact—revealed by leaks—that the US meddled in Ukraine to topple its Russian friendly government?
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957
http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/07/30/the-media-ignores-the-cia-in-ukraine/
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/apr/30/russia-ukraine-war-kiev-conflict
Most of Russia's Black Sea fleet is based in Crimea, and has been since the 18th century: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Sea_Fleet
So, should the Russian government have been indifferent when the US pushed the overthrow of the Ukrainian government? In what world are the naval facilities in Crimea not considered a valid strategic concern for Russia?
If the tables were turned, how would the US react? If it had a base in a neighboring country, like Mexico, and the Russians staged a coup in Mexico, would the US just roll with that? That's fine, keep the base? I hope you understand they would not, and in fact that's exactly why the US held the Guantanamo Naval Base despite the Cuban Revolution.
[–]AdalineMaj -1 ポイント0 ポイント1 ポイント 1時間前 (0子コメント)
Crimea was not owned by Russia. They took it by force.
[–]murphy212 3 ポイント4 ポイント5 ポイント 2時間前 (0子コメント)
Sigh. There is little hope for you at this point. Would you even be able to find Crimea on a map?
Let me leave you with Mark Twain.
If you don’t read the newspaper, you are uninformed. If you do read the newspaper, you are misinformed.
[–]jdotg 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 2時間前 (1子コメント)
You are buying state propaganda. Ukraine crisis started nov 21 2013. When then president suspended joinging EU. When did obomber sign ndaa 2013, allowing state department to disseminate us propaganda on americans? Dec 4th 2012
[–]AdalineMaj 3 ポイント4 ポイント5 ポイント 1時間前 (0子コメント)
So of our believe the annexation of Crimea was justified because of Obama?
[–]futuregiannis 8 ポイント9 ポイント10 ポイント 5時間前 (3子コメント)
you should look into the deaths of seth rich and monica peterson and the disappearance of eric braverman.
[–]AdalineMaj -4 ポイント-3 ポイント-2 ポイント 3時間前* (2子コメント)
You are a crazy person so information doesn't really influence your beliefs, but Eric Braverman is doing just fine. So we know as a fact that a nonsense story can influence your beliefs. Eric Braverman just proved that. So can you take that knowledge of how gullible you are and apply it to other instances? Doubt it, but let's try.
There is not a single shred of connection between Peterson and the Clintons, but a third party claiming she criticized the Clinton Foundation. So it's not even proven that she disliked the Clinton Foundation, but even if she did, so do millions of other people.
Seth Rich was a DNC staffer that was murdered. Every other conection was completely made up whole cloth.
Millions of people have Clinton connections if you're gonna make the claim that a connection is as little as someone claiming they wrote about the Clintons on facebook. Out of millions some will die. This is called math.
You make all those ridiculous connections yet you completely dismiss the murder of a KGB agent that leaked info on Trump. Again, you are crazy.
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[–]smokinbluebear[M] [スコア非表示] 2分前 (0子コメント)
Rule 10
1st and last warning.
[–]WhenYouCloseYourEyes 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 4時間前 (3子コメント)
pizzagate has thousands of connections and evidence
pissgate has a fake dossier and a dead "KGB agent" which I can debunk with 2 points - dossier was admitted fake, KGB has been inactive for 25 years
this story is FAAAAAAAAAAAAKE as FUUUUUUUUUUUCK
[–]MartnThaKing 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 3時間前 (2子コメント)
Dossier was never admitted fake, stop lying. This misinformation has been spread quite a bit but has never been sourced.
You obviously didn't read past the title because the article refers to him as being in the FSB.
[–]WhenYouCloseYourEyes -3 ポイント-2 ポイント-1 ポイント 2時間前 (1子コメント)
even the MSM said it was fake - wait so maybe that DOES mean it was real
/s
[–]MartnThaKing 4 ポイント5 ポイント6 ポイント 2時間前 (0子コメント)
No they didn't, post a source if you really think they did.
[–]kraftwerkd -3 ポイント-2 ポイント-1 ポイント 5時間前 (0子コメント)
I think you guys are nuts for believing in pizzagate, but outright dissmissing Trump having Russia ties.
There's an old saying 'round these parts..
"Get outta here with yer fancy logic!"
I really wish it weren't true, but alas, a majority of this sub only browses and posts to further self-indoctrinate themselves with ideas that the sky is falling, the economy will crash and WW3 will kick off any day now. Kay, seriously, I've been hearing this since I started looking into 'conspiracy' back in '08. In 2009 it was being shouted from the rooftops that martial law is coming any day now, and that the supposed FEMA camps will be opening their doors. 8 years later and we're still hearing the same bullshit and nothing has fucking happened except the pot of water feels a bit warmer now.
These are the kinds of ideas that are making this sub look foolish - repeating the same fucking parrot phrases over and over and over. There are actual quality posts and people here - George Webb is looking through only facts, not any speculation, and has presented a very, very informative series of videos digging into the corruption of the DNC, etc. There was a post recently where someone found financial ties between Putin and Trump - real conspiracy.
TL;dr - the signal-to-noise here is absolutely terrible so you have to sift to find the good shit
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[–]Sabremesh[M] 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 2時間前 (0子コメント)
Rule 10.
[–]cykalone 4 ポイント5 ポイント6 ポイント 6時間前 (1子コメント)
Your post history is all over the place, multiple posts in /r/the_donald /r/hillaryclinton and /r/politics, and then nothing for two months and now you start posting again on this thread
[–]WooTs_67 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 5時間前 (0子コメント)
lmao, there are a few gems in there.
Oh how he was wrong about many things
[–]TMhorus 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 1時間前 (0子コメント)
"All of Reddit knows that sub is a bizarre world of paid shills" No. They don't. Sorry people are agreeing with reality.
[+]zenmasterzen3 スコアが基準値未満のコメント-8 ポイント-7 ポイント-6 ポイント 6時間前 (0子コメント)
How do you know they aren't just homosexuals who feel threatened by pizzagate?
PS. pizzagate is 100% legit, there was even a rape victim AMA on reddit before it was pulled.
[–]HS_00 -3 ポイント-2 ポイント-1 ポイント 4時間前 (0子コメント)
Anybody who is doing Uncle George's work must be doing God's work.
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