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This sub seems to be actively in support of violence, and that's not okay. (self.Negareddit)

LGBTreeckoAfter three days on the sub, I've caused countless arguments. が 投稿

We keep on supporting people getting punched, smashing property, etc. This isn't okay. All of this freedom of speech stuff you try to preach seems to go out the window when the speaker is saying things you don't like. You create this us vs. them narrative, and that's the kind of thing that got Trump into office in the first place.

The amount of hatred on this post, the amount of people in this one wishing someone dead, this shit gives Trump more ammo towards banning protest. You guys are turning into the circlejerk you've always feared, and it needs to stop.

EDIT: So this is stickied now. Cool. Everyone, remember to report violent stuff.

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[–]Combative_DoucheNegareddit creator[M] [スコア非表示] stickied comment (37子コメント)

I am in complete agreement with you. Please report any comments containing violent rhetoric.

[–]stripeygreenhat 131 ポイント132 ポイント  (44子コメント)

POC and queer folk have been experiencing getting mauled by police dogs, skin torn by industrial hoses, teeth crushed by cement, skin melted and burned by torches, absolutely beaten into unrecognizable states. They've been called animals and inferiorand dehumanized over and over again by authority figures they're taught in schools to trust. They're the scapegoats for every misfortune that happens in America. They've been physically and emotionally and spiritually crushed at every point white America could manage in the last few hundred years.

So excuse me for laughing when this hipster Pepe frog Nazi fuck gets punched in the face once and cries about it.

[–]RYCBARFlair-haver 58 ポイント59 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Seriously. All the backlash from white cishet dorks saying that "identity politics" is why Hilldawg lost should be enough to show people that even the party that gives you some token support, if they think america is racist and homophobic enough, they'll happily throw you under the bus as the reason they lost. Somehow the democrats think that the democrats lost because they weren't racist and homophobic enough and the only problem being discussed is STILL "well try to complain less while the cops murder you"

[–]KeepingMostly2Myself 42 ポイント43 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Other people have already pointed out why punching Nazis is okay, so I'll just contribute by linking to a video of Richard Spencer getting punched out set to a very fitting metal track.

[–]TheDeadManWalks 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (0子コメント)

And it's so satisfying that he got punched while trying to explain Pepe. Like... It's the perfect way to compound how lame he is.

[–]LGBTreeckoAfter three days on the sub, I've caused countless arguments.[S] -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't condone violence, as I said above, but that was pretty awesome.

[–]StumbleOna better one that isn't lame 35 ポイント36 ポイント  (0子コメント)

All of this freedom of speech stuff you try to preach seems to go out the window when the speaker is saying things you don't like.

I'm going to well actually you here for a second.

Well, actually, it's pretty consistent with most of the statements made here and elsewhere.

Freedom of speech was not violated. A person said something, and they then faced a consequence for their statements.

I take exception to the very idea that physical violence and verbal violence are different things, because one inevitably leads to the other.

I think it's pretty damn tasteless and stupid to go cold clock a dude in broad daylight, but I also understand where he's coming from, and I think it's a pretty privileged position to hop onto a high horse, decry it as totally bad, and surround ones self with an aura of pure smug for doing it. Not that YOU Are doing that, but I have seen this sentiment many times in many forums and I'd like to get that out there.

I will pose a question: at what point is violence necessary?

If your answer is "after they have already done violence to me" then your answer is wrong.

[–]EssJayDoubleYewcucc 68 ポイント69 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'll stop supporting violence against fascists when they stop supporting violence against me and everyone else on their to-genocide list :)

[–]12-juin-3049 91 ポイント92 ポイント  (11子コメント)

Oh no people are being mean to the poor fascists :(

[–]LGBTreeckoAfter three days on the sub, I've caused countless arguments.[S] 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (10子コメント)

No, people are being violent to other people.

[–]RYCBARFlair-haver 52 ポイント53 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is literally word for word what assholes on my facebook say after every police shooting. "It's not about race, or police officers. It's about people, man! We're all just people! There's no reason to get mad, it's not about black and white, we're all just people! also the thug deserved it and protesting makes you the real racists"

[–]EssJayDoubleYewcucc 68 ポイント69 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This dogmatic line of thinking is overly restrictive. You say people being violent to other people are your parameters for this being a bad thing, but I doubt you would tell people not to defend themselves if they were being attacked.

Certain philosophies, like neo-nazism, present real imminent danger to people in their presence. If Speaker A espouses their opinion on why the black race is irrelevant and questions "do we really need a black race?" on its own and examined in a vacuum it's harmless. Horrible, but harmless. But these things don't occur in a vacuum, if not the speaker themself, somebody out there is listening to that and is thinking to themself "good question, now that I think about it, why do we need a black race?" and then goes out with their hunting rifle and guns down the first black passerby he sees in the name of racial purity and taking America back for the white race.

You can soapbox about free speech as much as you like but it doesn't change the fact that some speech really is just an opinion and some speech is creating genuine suffering. Anyone responsible for the latter isn't going to be stopped through reasoning or the law, so people have to take matters into their own hands.

Also property is a spook, smashy smashy.

You create this us vs. them narrative, and that's the kind of thing that got Trump into office in the first place.

[this is why trump won meme]

[–]TroutFishingInCanada 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Did you know that most of the countries that receive refugees have agreed that having reasonable suspicion (still a somewhat high threshold) of war crimes or crimes against humanity precludes one from being eligible for refugee protection? [unchr article 1F(a)]

The rationale is that if you make refugees, you don't get to be a refugee.

There are people whose ideology is centred around denying other people their humanity and even basic forms of respect. It's not just a thing they do. It's integral to their ideology. Why do they deserve these basic decencies?

And these basic decencies aren't even earned. You don't have to do anything to get them. But being a terrible person means that you can lose them.

[–]ButterflyTG 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (1子コメント)

why not scold the nazis and not thier victims then

[–]verdatum -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is scolding everyone advocating violence, and no one who doesn't.

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    [–]Babbit_B 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    That's a really dangerous attitude. Not only because dehumanising anyone leads to atrocities, but because it also gives fascists a pass. If fascists are monsters, why wouldn't we expect them to act like monsters? If they're people, they should be expected to act with human decency, and maybe we stand a fair shot of working out why they aren't and changing their minds.

    [–]lacedemonianWarning: Links posted by this user may lead to TV Tropes 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    The dehumanization of the enemy to justify violence. That's not dangerous at all. Nope.

    [–]Combative_DoucheNegareddit creator[M] -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Tone it down, please.

    [–]TheDeadManWalks 33 ポイント34 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    You create this us vs. them narrative, and that's the kind of thing that got Trump into office in the first place.

    This statement really pisses me off, and not just because the "This is why Trump won" meme has already been beaten into the ground. Do fascists not create an us vs. them narrative automatically just by existing?

    [–]postpunkcub 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    No, see, Trump won because all of the icky queer people and brown people said "we're sick of being treated like marginalized citizens, and we aren't going to take this shit lying down anymore" and that makes all the poor wittle straight, white people upset because it makes them confront the reality of structural violence.

    [–]RYCBARFlair-haver 62 ポイント63 ポイント  (13子コメント)

    Guys, there's a neo-nazi in the white house and white supremacist groups are openly marching again. We all have to do our part to stop this. If you could all just ask them really nicely to stop lynching people, that'd be cool. The boots on your throat are a problem that we absolutely condemn, but trying to stop them from murdering you makes you just as bad as the murderers, have you ever considered that? :)

    Trump will ban protest no matter what. We had the largest protest in US history two days ago, but someone broke a fucking Starbucks window during his inauguration, so it was all still seen as riots.

    Fascists aren't constrained by reality, they don't need a real life justification to ban protesting. They already say that the inauguration was the biggest of all time, 3 million people voted illegally, none of the womens' march participants voted and Hillary literally eats children. Our actions literally don't matter for justifying things, because they can always just make up some justification later.

    Punching a nazi in the head literally worked, Spencer said he won't be going to any more events because he doesn't feel safe. That's the point. A nazi got punched, ran away like a coward and is too pathetic to keep spreading his genocidal ideology.

    EDIT: Ps see you all on SRSsucks, SRD and /r/drama

    [–]stripeygreenhat -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (12子コメント)

    While I agree that reality isn't relevant to the alt right, the more we victimize people, the more they have a reason to hate people that are different than them. We might incite like a mass shooter or something in the name of Spencer because alt right people are pussies.

    [–]RYCBARFlair-haver 37 ポイント38 ポイント  (11子コメント)

    I don't see how fighting back against genocide makes it our fault when they decide to kill people. Refusing to engage for fear of further radicalizing people is how we got here. See also: Hillary refusing to challenge Trump's obvious lies at debates. The Klan and the neo-nazis were quiet because they were afraid of being beaten up or ostracized until now. Letting them preach in public again is how they start to grow. If a nazi goes on a killing spree, it's because they are a nazi, not because someone was too mean to them about being a nazi

    [–]stripeygreenhat 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (10子コメント)

    don't see how fighting back against genocide makes it our fault when they decide to kill people.

    I completely agree with your reasoning. However, at the end of the day, I'm going to opt for the option that involves less suffering to my brothers and sisters in the struggle. If that means less nazis getting punched in the face, so be it.

    [–]RYCBARFlair-haver 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (9子コメント)

    But doesn't letting the nazis freely recruit and preach cause more suffering? You know how nazis tend to be, right?

    [–]stripeygreenhat -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (8子コメント)

    I think the balance exists in making public awareness of Nazi activity through protest matches and such. Like I think the public can gain awareness of the suffering bigotry causes and the humanity of the Nazis' targets without violence to Nazis. I think the works of people like Maya Angelou have done much more to shape perception of minorities and their suffering than a YouTube video of someone get sucked punched.

    [–]RYCBARFlair-haver 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (7子コメント)

    Yeah, but Spencer said he won't go to any more marches because he got punched. He also literally ran away crying after he got hit. They're total cowards. All it takes is punching one of them to send them scurrying back underground crying instead of openly preaching their bullshit on tv to potential recruits.

    The youtube video itself is meaningless, but exceedingly fun to watch, the point is that he's now done preaching in public. That's the goal here, make them realize that preaching for genocide has consequences and that we're not willing to tolerate that as a society.

    [–]stripeygreenhat 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (6子コメント)

    I still think a powerful literary voice is much more influential than a silent bigot. And I think our resources are better used for empowering minority voices than punching the shit out of Nazis.

    [–]RYCBARFlair-haver 26 ポイント27 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Okay, you take your literary voices and they'll take their white house positions and access to the largest military in the history of the world and we'll see who comes out on top. If powerful literary criticism worked, we would have never had slavery, racial equality would have been achieved in 1776, no war in Vietnam, no wars anywhere in the middle east and presidents Al Gore then Obama then Hillary would have collectively ended global warming and sent us to Mars or something.

    You can't use literature against people who literally think anyone but Alex Jones is a lying shill trying to stop the master race from their right to exterminate the rest of the planet.

    Maya Angelou helped lots of people understand, sure. Know who remained unmoved? Nazis who said "Oh, she's black. Murder that [every slur] at first possible opportunity.

    And how many resources did we really spend watching one guy punch some dickhead? Because it seemed like a single guy throwing an elbow has done a lot more to fight the nazis than a thousand snarky thinkpieces. An empowered minority voice doesn't make their throats immune to boots. But one dude hitting a nazi in the face one time stopped him from preaching his bullshit forever

    [–]stripeygreenhat 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    If powerful literary criticism worked, we would have never had slavery, racial equality would have been achieved in 1776, no war in Vietnam,

    These things ended because public opinion shifted. There was violence, there was death, but at the end of the day, people's opinions are changed by well-articulated arguments. The civil war wouldn't have started if abolitionist like Frederick Douglass hadn't convinced most of America that slavery was wrong to begin with.

    [–]postpunkcub 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    "If fascism could be defeated in debate, I assure you that it would never have happened, neither in Germany, nor in Italy, nor anywhere else. Those who recognised its threat at the time and tried to stop it were, I assume, also called “a mob”. Regrettably too many “fair-minded” people didn’t either try, or want to stop it, and, as I witnessed myself during the war, accommodated themselves when it took over … People who witnessed fascism at its height are dying out, but the ideology is still here, and its apologists are working hard at a comeback. Past experience should teach us that fascism must be stopped before it takes hold again of too many minds, and becomes useful once again to some powerful interests" - Frank Frison

    That's a quote from an ACTUAL Holocaust survivor. I'm going to take his word over some Redditor as to how to deal with LITERAL FUCKING FASCISTS

    [–]stripeygreenhat 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    That was an interesting quote and I appreciate you showing that to me.

    [–]SammDogg619 48 ポイント49 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    K

    [–]LGBTreeckoAfter three days on the sub, I've caused countless arguments.[S] -5 ポイント-4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Nice strawman.

    [–]fajardo99blah 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    holy shit when did this sub become such a liberal wankfest? fuck nazis, they deserve to be beaten bloody everytime they open their mouths to spew their hatred. nazi speech is inherently violent, therefore all violence against nazis is self-defense.

    [–]TheEmbernovaquality poster 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    bad post op

    [–]acidroach420 37 ポイント38 ポイント  (32子コメント)

    Muh property!

    [–]Combative_DoucheNegareddit creator[M] -16 ポイント-15 ポイント  (31子コメント)

    Go ahead and use violent rhetoric here all you want, as long as you're talking about property and not living beings.

    Violent rhetoric about harming people entirely unwelcome here.

    [–]MKorostoff 48 ポイント49 ポイント  (29子コメント)

    This is you right now http://imgur.com/a/oNDnR

    [–]Combative_DoucheNegareddit creator[M] -8 ポイント-7 ポイント  (28子コメント)

    If a neo-nazi takes a swing at you, by all means, respond with all necessary force to protect yourself. If you're not being attacked and you use violence, you are the attacker.

    Also, your metaphor doesn't work without dehumanization.

    [–]tnwnf 29 ポイント30 ポイント  (14子コメント)

    Do you think there is nothing a person can say to justify being punched?

    [–]Combative_DoucheNegareddit creator[M] -15 ポイント-14 ポイント  (13子コメント)

    correct.

    [–]insidescreamingvoice 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    ban yourself

    [–]fajardo99blah 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (11子コメント)

    lmao

    [–]Combative_DoucheNegareddit creator -5 ポイント-4 ポイント  (10子コメント)

    Seriously? You guys really think it's okay to physically attack someone because of something they said?

    [–]fajardo99blah 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    when they're literally calling for the extermination of people different than them then yeah, of course actually. and don't act like if i punch a nazi i'm the one instigating shit. the nazi's beliefs are inherently violent, so if i attack them it should only be considered self-defense.

    [–]RYCBARFlair-haver 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (8子コメント)

    "I'm gonna murder you subhuman race traitor cucks, 1488 heil hitler"

    "I respect your belief that I should be exterminated and wish to engage you in a well-reasoned civil debate"

    [–]MKorostoff 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (12子コメント)

    Alright, so if Trump creates a Muslim registration commision and sends agents door to door writing down the names of every Muslim in America, is it OK to use force against the agents? No?

    OK, what if eight months after the registration, every Muslim family in America gets a letter in the mail informing them that they are required to move to one of 8 cities in the US for "extreme vetting." Is it OK to use force against the bureaucrats responsible for sending these letters? No?

    OK, what if two years after the forced relocation of every Muslim in the US, a large terrorist attack is perpetrated in a major US city, and the army rolls into each of the 8 muslim "extreme vetting" towns and informs the residents that they'll be re-located to a network of temporary detention facilities in Nevada, for their own protection. Is it ok to resist this move with force? No?

    OK, what if, as each Muslim family boards a bus bound for, effectively, a concentration camp, crowds of demonstrators gather to cheer "goodbye sandn****rs!" Is it ok to use force against these demonstrators? No?

    OK, what if three months after shoving every muslim family into a concentration camp, suddenly and without warning, the government stops stocking insulin in the camp medical facilities. Is it temporary? Is the shipment late? Will they get more tomorrow? No one will say. There's over 100,000 insulin dependant diabetics in the camps. They have about a week to live if the supply is not restored. On what day of the shortage is it permissible to attempt a camp breakout by force? Day 1? Day 4? After the first diabetic coma begins? Never?

    And what if, five months after the medical supply stoppage, every person in camp is supplied with a small blue pill and instructed to swallow it? Is it poison? Is it for deworming? Vitamins? No one will say. Is it then, finally, permissible to resist with force?

    [–]LGBTreeckoAfter three days on the sub, I've caused countless arguments.[S] -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (10子コメント)

    We can make up "what if"s all we want. Trump only mentioned one of these things, and you go straight to worst case scenario.

    [–]RYCBARFlair-haver 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (9子コメント)

    Okay, so how is he going to deport all the millions of muslim citizens without concentration camps? Because he's been pretty firm on that and people on his transition team have cited Japanese internment camps in World War 2 as precedent.

    That seems like pretty clear intent toward concentration camps.

    And the rest of it isn't intended as a real possibility, he just wants to know how much we have to take before violence is permissible in your eyes.

    [–]SadfaceSquirtle 36 ポイント37 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Am I to understand that Nelson Mandela and ANC's struggle against apartheid was "not okay" because it used violence?

    My grandfather beat up Nazis in Sweden at the same time as Hitler occupied neighbouring Norway and Denmark. Was that also "not okay"?

    [–]n0ggy 32 ポイント33 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    top fucking kek

    People really need to fucking learn that reactive violence stemming from oppression isn't the same as violence stemming from hateful and fascistic ideologies. Glad to see the mods of these sub care about broken windows and the well-being of nazis.

    [–]postpunkcub 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    This is literally the worst post I have ever seen on this entire fucking website. People like you would rather see LGBT people and PoC "peacefully" suffer not only the indignity of structural violence, but also the inhumanity of manifest violence at the hands of fascists and other bigots in order to preserve some self-righteous, solipsistic belief in your own moral superiority. When you preach nonviolence to oppressed persons, you are directly upholding a system that denies people their humanity and dignity; it is racist, homophobic, and imperialist to tell people suffering to just simply bear it. How many oppressed people have to have their teeth smashed out, or be mauled by dogs, or be beaten half to death by police, or tortured before it becomes okay to use violence against an oppressor? Do we literally have to let fascists start another Holocaust before it becomes okay to engage in violent struggle? Fascists literally believe in the extermination of all "inferior" peoples and have an ideology based on violence, there can be no negotiation or common ground with fascism, it must be resisted and destroyed by any means. In The Wretched of the Earth, Frantz Fanon argues that the violence used by an oppressed people against their oppressors is the way for a marginalized people to assert their humanity and to reclaim their identity. The violence of oppressed people is qualitatively different from that of an oppressor, and the oppressed have an absolute right to end their oppression by ANY means available to them.

    [–]RYCBARFlair-haver 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Honestly, this post is complete trash and the fact that it was stickied and conviced a mod to add an extra mod to enforce it more is fucking unbelievable

    [–]LGBTreeckoAfter three days on the sub, I've caused countless arguments.[S] -5 ポイント-4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    If you think this is wrong, fine. Tell me your opinion. At what point will you take up arms against the government?

    [–]postpunkcub 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    The second that government stops recognizing my inherent humanity and dignity, and the humanity and dignity of my comrades.

    [–]alien88 34 ポイント35 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Well guys its been a good run, looks like this sub is going the way of /r/socialism

    [–]LGBTreeckoAfter three days on the sub, I've caused countless arguments.[S] -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    See, you can say stuff like this and get upvoted. I'm the original poster here, so I get downvotes.

    [–]DiscordianDeacon 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    You had never heard of violence against people of color or other minorities, you declared that we shouldn't resist concentration camps until they're forcefully removing us from our homes, you told us that Trump won because we disliked him too much, and a look at the first page of your comment history in this subreddit shows you claiming racism against blacks isn't real.

    Yeah, you're not gonna get a warm welcome here. I care less about your thinly-veiled troll efforts and more about what in the world the mods were thinking to sticky this nonsense.

    [–]LGBTreeckoAfter three days on the sub, I've caused countless arguments.[S] -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    You had never heard of violence against people of color or other minorities

    This is false. Someone said something that sounded exaggerated, and I asked for a source. I received multiple sources from a different user, and apologized for doubting the original user.

    you declared that we shouldn't resist concentration camps until they're forcefully removing us from our homes

    So are you saying you'll take up arms against the government the moment Trump makes his muslim registry? No? Then you seem to agree on this one.

    you told us that Trump won because we disliked him too much

    No, I said that "us vs. them" narratives are what got Trump into office.

    claiming racism against blacks isn't real

    Can you show me where I said that?

    what in the world the mods were thinking to sticky this nonsense

    This sub was created to avoid a circlejerk, not to start one.

    [–]insidescreamingvoice 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (8子コメント)

    some white nonsense

    [–]LGBTreeckoAfter three days on the sub, I've caused countless arguments.[S] -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (7子コメント)

    What?

    [–]insidescreamingvoice 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (6子コメント)

    you. are. some. white. nonsense.

    [–]LGBTreeckoAfter three days on the sub, I've caused countless arguments.[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (5子コメント)

    Not sure why you feel the need to insult me. Also, you called me a nazi in a different post, and said I would go to a muslim concentration camp in another, so get your argument straight and quit trolling. and quit trolling.

    [–]insidescreamingvoice 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (4子コメント)

    are you twelve?

    [–]RYCBARFlair-haver 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    No, he's actually 14

    [–]LGBTreeckoAfter three days on the sub, I've caused countless arguments.[S] -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    You haven't made an understandable argument yet. Quit while you're behind.

    [–]insidescreamingvoice 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    you're peak reddit. i predict you last a week.

    [–]LGBTreeckoAfter three days on the sub, I've caused countless arguments.[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    You respond to an argument against you with a personal attack that doesn't even make sense in context. I'm done dealing with your bullshit.

    [–]TheBellmanHimself 31 ポイント32 ポイント  (7子コメント)

    I'm pretty sure the consensus on this side of Reddit is that "freedom of speech" is, more or less, a spook.

    What you're essentially implying is that gas chambers ethnic cleansing is a valid political opinion.

    Fascism isn't a rational political belief. The fascist knows they speak in farce, but they speak anyways. It can't be countered with logical discourse, it can only be put into temporary remission with overwhelming societal contempt or, in the worst cases, violent mass reprisal.

    The worst part is that this is always how fascism has taken root: By taking advantage of the frameworks of liberal democracy and their defenders (see the Social Democrats role in the rise of Hitler) in order to spread like the cancer it is.

    [–]LGBTreeckoAfter three days on the sub, I've caused countless arguments.[S] -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (6子コメント)

    What you're essentially implying is that gas chambers ethnic cleansing is a valid political opinion

    Where did I say that? Being against violence doesn't mean I'm a fucking nazi.

    [–]TheBellmanHimself 31 ポイント32 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    You're not. Validation =/= Approval

    tl;dr: When you say "free speech" you imply that fascists are simply subject to disagreement, and therefore a valid part of political discourse(like an opposing political party) as opposed to a hostile force that wants you and me dead.

    When you say that calls for genocide are free speech, you're insinuating that the struggle between fascism and freedom is just a disagreement politic between two equally rational and informed actors, like fiscal conservatism vs fiscal liberalism.

    They aren't. Fascism isn't even really a coherent political ideology. This isn't just like a push-and-pull of society thing, how Republicans and Democrats may disagree and whine at each other. Not only is fascism antithetical to our values as a society, but in it's most common variants spells extinction for billions of people.

    Here's a relevant quote

    "If fascism could be defeated in debate, I assure you that it would never have happened, neither in Germany, nor in Italy, nor anywhere else. Those who recognised its threat at the time and tried to stop it were, I assume, also called “a mob”. Regrettably too many “fair-minded” people didn’t either try, or want to stop it, and, as I witnessed myself during the war, accommodated themselves when it took over … People who witnessed fascism at its height are dying out, but the ideology is still here, and its apologists are working hard at a comeback. Past experience should teach us that fascism must be stopped before it takes hold again of too many minds, and becomes useful once again to some powerful interests"

    Franz Frison, Holocaust survivor,

    And yet more chillingly (if somewhat questionably)

    "Only one thing could have stopped our movement - if our adversaries had understood its principle and from the first day smashed with the utmost brutality the nucleus of our new movement."

    (Allegedly) Adolf Hitler

    [–]IHateCircusMidgets 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Can't help but notice this one didn't get answered.

    [–]ButterflyTG 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    when you defend people who have tried and keep trying to kill me and my friends and community it does make you are nazi apologist

    waiting for the camps to spring up before resisting is waiting for it to be far to late to stop anything

    [–]LGBTreeckoAfter three days on the sub, I've caused countless arguments.[S] -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Has there been an actual attempt on your life, or are you exaggerating?

    [–]ButterflyTG 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    there has been multiple attacks against me directly with intent to cause lasting bodily harm and this account was created 3 fucking years ago you tosser.

    my finger is still broken from the last one

    you have LGBT in your name but do you understand where we would be if it weren't for violence?

    and fucking no i did not go looking for a fight thank you

    [–]KateTheAwesome 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Oh FFS, can we stop with "this is shy Trump won" bullshit?

    Identity politics is shy Trump won. Calling out racists is why Trump won. The moon being made of cheese is why Trump won.

    It's all fucking irrelevant. Trump won because hillary clinton failed to inspire the lower class workers in the rust belt. The end.

    And everything else is just people using this election as a way to say "well, we should all stop talking about icky feminism and lgbt stuff, eww".

    Sure, let's not incite violence. But I'm sure as he'll not gonna stand in anyone's way...

    [–]ButterflyTG 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (7子コメント)

    you fucking mods are so wildly ignorant, I'm a disabled queer trans snowflake and i have personally experienced the violence nazis commit. its not some thing that happened 70 years ago its a thing that is happening NOW to me and mine and i will not shed a single tear for nazis or thier liberal coward apologists getting what they deserve.

    every great revolution or resistance in history has been achived do to violence or the threat thereof yes, MLK yes even Ghandi

    fucks like you mods sit there and tell me to sit by and die until you realize your pure morals will not save a damn thing

    free speech? how about this for ya then: FUCK YOU NAZI APOLOGIST COWARDS GET OFF YOUR DAMN HIGH HORSE AND COME PROTECT US IF YOU HATE VIOLENCE SO MUCH

    [–]Jeep-Eep 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    This sub has officially gone full white liberal and blown it's brains out. If anyone wants to leave...https://www.reddit.com/r/NegaRedditrRedux/

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      [–]Combative_DoucheNegareddit creator[M] -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      violent rhetoric is not tolerated in this subreddit

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        [–]Babbit_B 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        But, uh, you realise they are right? They're human beings with families they love and friends they care for and emotions and fears and everything. They're not comic book supervillains who're being evil for the sake of being evil, and you'll never understand them or change their minds if you insist on pretending they are. I find them as repugnant and frightening as anyone...and that's exactly why I have different moral standards to them, and intend to maintain them.

        [–]LGBTreeckoAfter three days on the sub, I've caused countless arguments.[S] 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (15子コメント)

        By dehumanizing them, you sort of prove my point.

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          [–]Combative_DoucheNegareddit creator[M] -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (11子コメント)

          By responding to perceived fascism with violence you are instigating violence and furthering their narrative. Violence should only be used in response to a direct and immediate threat of violence.

          [–]cllegion 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (7子コメント)

          What qualifies a direct and immediate threat of violence? Can you give some examples?

          [–]Combative_DoucheNegareddit creator[M] 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (6子コメント)

          Someone approaching you in a threatening manner after making verbal/physical threats of violence directed at you. Someone taking a swing at you. Someone breaking into your home, or even just showing up at your home, when it's clear their intention is to harm you physically (previous threats, brandishing a weapon, etc). Someone pulls a weapon on you. Someone attacks another person. Someone who was being violent a moment before and whose now approaching you.

          I think that should paint a pretty clear picture, but I'll answer any questions if you're still unclear.

          [–]cllegion 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (1子コメント)

          Ok can't argue with that. If we can't attack racists physically can we still shout verbal abuse at them e.g. "Nazis go home"?

          [–]Combative_DoucheNegareddit creator[M] 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Hell yes.

          [–]insidescreamingvoice 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (3子コメント)

          how about organizing invasions of areas with POC or LGBT and attacking them? like nazis do EVERY DAY

          [–]LGBTreeckoAfter three days on the sub, I've caused countless arguments.[S] -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

          I know I usually get hate for this, but CITATION FUCKING NEEDED. Come on. You can't say this like this and not back it up with fact.

          [–]insidescreamingvoice 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          your name is so obviously r/asablackman

          fuck off nazi

          [–]Combative_DoucheNegareddit creator -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          To what exactly are you referring?

          [–]ButterflyTG 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (2子コメント)

          how aobut i spin this around on you: by telling people beaten and brutalized by actualy modern day nazis AND NOT SCOLDING THE NAZIS THEMSELVES FOR PUTTING PEOPLE IN SUCH A DESERPERATE SITUATION you become a coward, an apologist and an accessory to genocide

          [–]verdatum -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          No one ever said anything about "not scolding the nazis" scolding is great! If they've beaten or brutalized someone, get them arrested for it!

          [–]Combative_DoucheNegareddit creator -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          If someone is actively beating someone, there's nothing wrong with using force to stop them.

          If it happened in the past, you can call the police and have them arrested.

          [–]MyWifeShouldQuitLoL 31 ポイント32 ポイント  (1子コメント)

          Why don't you go nicely ask the fascists to stop oppressing people? I'm sure all the people who are being suppressed by fascist policies can afford the 100 or so years it would take to effect significant change.

          [–]Combative_DoucheNegareddit creator[M] -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          violent rhetoric is not tolerated in this subreddit

          [–]JonWood007 -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          THANK YOU. FREAKING THANK YOU.

          The amount of people on the left I've been seeing lately advocating for violence against others is very disturbing. I don't like nazis either, but I'm not about to advocate for walking up to one and punching them in the face. That's not how a civil society works.