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DISCUSSIONStar Citizen used EvE Online Nebula. (self.starcitizen)

KevinSPRINT が 投稿

If you guys looked at the Star Citizens concept art,

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/media/e8wq5b3ltekshr/source/Concept.jpg

It looks quite amazing, however... there happens to be a Nebula that was used in the picture which was from EVE Online. Here is the EVE Online Nebula,

https://evetravel.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/immensea-5.jpg

This is not mean't to be mean at all, just wanted to point it out that is all. And for further proof, here it is opened on a media editor (thanks to bedved), https://gyazo.com/e246c1e2370426e92f7e5829a24e8d15

 

EDIT: A lot of you are saying this is just concept art for EvE as well. The Nebula shown is actually used in game.

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[–]bedvednew user/low karma 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Link to eve's subreddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/5qkci4/eve_online_nebula_used_in_star_citizen_concept_art/

[–]donthugmeimlurking 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

As I said in the other thread, let's not start a pissing war with them over something this petty. EVE players can get pretty nasty and as long as they keep their little anti-SC cirlcejerk on their subreddit who cares?

Don't go over there just to piss people off or stir up trouble.

[–]HarackPhotonew user/low karma 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (8子コメント)

Are you certain eve owns that work, it's possible they both sourced it from something paid or free licensed.

Looks bad for copyright though.

[–]spannr 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes, it was all commissioned by CCP for use in EVE.

[–]KevinSPRINT[S] 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That is more then just some image, that is in game as well. If you travel to the B-R5RB system you can see it.

[–]JohnnySkynets 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I used tineye and couldn't find it anywhere that wasn't EVE related but that my first thought as well.

[–]arsonallExplorer -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

cosmicspark on deviant art

[–]MrHerpDerp 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Are you certain eve owns that work, it's possible they both sourced it from something paid or free licensed.

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/5qkn6m/star_citizen_used_eve_online_nebula/dd01b0q/

[–]xx-shalo-xx -5 ポイント-4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Seems like its from this freelance artist

[–]Tsedd 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

None of those match, though.

[–]arsonallExplorer 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (33子コメント)

orignal artist deviant art page

EDIT: before this get too big, the original line should have had a questionmark at the end.

I have no idea if Tim Barton is the original artist, but he's one of the more popular nebula concept artists I had heard about previously.

[–]Dr_Gats 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (3子コメント)

How did you connect the two? I don't see that image in the artist's gallery. Not doubting you, the styles look beyond similar, but would be nice to see it listed, maybe with a description about who it was commissioned for, etc. You know, for the lulz.

edit: after reviewing subsequent links below, pretty sure this isn't the original artist. You can't find the asset anywhere on that artist's page. And as MrHerpDerp showed us easily below (https://i.ytimg.com/vi/3Js3vXltPv4/maxresdefault.jpg), this nebula can actually be seen IN GAME in Eve. Artists commissioning their art for multiple companies for concepts? Sure. Allowing an in game asset to be used in other games though? Highly doubtful. As painful as it may be, pretty sure the OP is correct here.

[–]rederic 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Considering this is that artist's description from one of his works

The idea behind this piece was to create a space background you might see in a video game like Eve Online.

I'm going to guess he didn't do work for EVE Online. Most people don't have "the idea" to create something "like" their own style.

https://www.artstation.com/artwork/ePR4G

[–]MrHerpDerp 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/5qjbcf/crusader_moon_concept_cellin/dczyv95/

EVE's nebula were created/generated by a contractor for CCP Games

a company called Framestore did the nebula update

[–]xevianCommander 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not to mention there are many PS tutorials for example that use similar artistic styles.

[–]spannr 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Not the original artist. All the nebula art in EVE was commissioned by CCP from VFX company Framestore.

[–]arsonallExplorer 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes, I've searched for the original commissioning information and came up with no luck.

Seems it was found by you.

[–]xx-shalo-xx 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (19子コメント)

So a case of just two companies using someone else art in their concept art? Eh, nothing nefarious in my opinion.

[–]arsonallExplorer 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (3子コメント)

artists use stock photos and others images all the time in concepts.

its why its called a concept. your showing the clients what you hope to have visually, not specifically.

it's totally par for the course. you can find these things every day, if you really had a hard on for a game, you could find many concept images that use re-purposed images from other artists.

[–]xx-shalo-xx 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah Im aware of this happening, just recently Uncharted 4 used a concept art from Assassins creed black flag for a ingame picture

Though putting it in-game and then selling it might make it more morally wrong (but lets be honest its just a small decorative piece with no nefarious intent), but A concept art should be fine since it serves as a draft

[–]nawledgelambonew user/low karma -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

yes, completely normal for a company that brags about fidelity and attention to detail on the little things to be copy/pasting deviantart.

[–]Mr_Streakednew user/low karma 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (12子コメント)

Not really - it's in-game art in eve rather than concept art.

[–]MrHerpDerp 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Not only concept art for EVE.

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/5qjbcf/crusader_moon_concept_cellin/dczyv95/

[–]xx-shalo-xx 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ah gotcha, thanks Herpderp.

[–]giuseppe443 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

i couldnt find one that matches, got a link?

[–]Isogen_Rear Admiral 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (3子コメント)

I don't really see the one OP linked in his gallery. You sure that's the original artist?

[–]MrHerpDerp 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/5qjbcf/crusader_moon_concept_cellin/dczyv95/

[–]arsonallExplorer -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

no. I realized that they are very similar, but not the same. if CCP bought the art, it may not be there on his site.

[–]Isogen_Rear Admiral -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ah, ok, that makes sense.

[–]Dr_Gats 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

the original line should have had a questionmark at the end.

For clarity, you know you can put a question mark in there with an edit, yes?

[–]arsonallExplorer 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't like modifying something unless it's grammar/spell check corrections. I let it stand as is.

[–]GaiaNyxGrand Admiral 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Concept artists use a lot of images from various other space related stuffs, be it games or NASA images, to create concept images.

[–]ElleRisalo 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (5子コメント)

So...shouldn't they also check sources?

[–]xx-shalo-xx 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Concept arts purpose is not to be commercially sold but to be used as a guiding image. Honestly I think its 'drama' for nothing

[–]roaming111 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That is what I said over in the eve sub reddit. This isn't that scandalous. This is what concept art is. They pull from large amounts of sources and use custom content to construct an ideal design for their project. Whether it be a game, movie, or any other project. Just releasing an image that is made up of several images isn't illegal as far as I know. If you were to include it in the final project or sell it afterwards that would be where things would get bad. Worst they would do is have them take it down.

[–]Agent_MothmanHigh Admiral 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

The creator is a freelance artist. It's possible he was hired by both companies.

[–]ElleRisalo 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's not concept art in EVE...it's actual in game art...you know from an actual game you can play.

[–]MrHerpDerp 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

an actual game you can play

heresy

[–]PewPew95 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Oh yeah.. if you're active in the eve subreddit you'll have noticed.. fuck me sideways.

I suddenly understand why people think the eve community is toxic..

Edit op is also hoping for downvotes so he can somehow connect that to the community again..

[–]SamLikesJamCombat Medic 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yeah, about everyone is asking to sue, then SC is a scam and so on.

And I thought subreddits were the better part of game communities, not the worst.

[–]thatguythatdidstuffColonel 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

its not that subreddits are bad, its just that the entire eve community is horrible.

[–]metamfColonel -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

comments like "SC is the most TOXIC fanbase ever! Every negative opinion will be downvoted!! " always gets me.

Have you seen all time top posts by any chance? Plenty of criticism there

[–]PieFlinger 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Right on schedule. Awaiting the thread from /r/subredditdrama to complete the trifecta.

Edit: obligatory "CYNO UP ECKS DEE"

[–]cabbagehead112 -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Who cares.

[–]SR-RageCommander 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Reddit art detectives of course.

[–]MrHerpDerp 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Probably the artist, if CIG needed but didn't have some kind of permission/right to use this.

[–]cabbagehead112 -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Nope. It's photobashing with concept art no one cares but the internet names on reddit.

[–]Meowstopher -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Maybe a bad call from a PR standpoint, but it's quite possible that the concept artist is simply a fan of Eve and put it in because he thought it was cool.

[–]ErrorDetected 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Let's not get in the business of excusing this if it was indeed lifted.

If it was licensed for such use, it would be excusable, but otherwise it's really bad form. We decry it when we see Star Citizen spaceships used for mobile ads for their space games; we should decry it when CIG does it for the promotion of their own.

[–]AdmiralCrackbarColonel 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's fucking concept art. Get a grip, seriously. they aren't using the nebula in the game so I seriously doubt if there is anything CCP can do legally anyway. Even if there was any 'damages' are likely to be so minimal as to not even be worth it.

[–]SkormfuseData Runner 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

If it turns out CIG doesn't have the right to use the image then the owner of the image can contact CIG and ask them to take it down or work out a licensing deal.

sometimes using a image you believe you have a right to use happens, artists make mistakes to.

their is a big difference though in using a stock image that you didn't own within your work by mistake and taking the images whole hog knowing you don't own them to advertise your game.

at least transformative art doesn't take things whole and uses it at is.

[–]ElleRisalo 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Ya o just accidentally copied this nebula from a 13 year old space game that would be our major competitor when our game launches...sorry eh.

[–]SkormfuseData Runner 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

once again if the artist has the license to do so then they can.

it doesn't matter what other project that art is used in just if you have a license to use it or not.

[–]ElleRisalo 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

So one of the CCP art team are selling off images...k.

[–]Dr_Gats 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Looks like a clean ripoff to me. While not unheard of in the gaming industry, and certainly not the worst instance of this type of thing happening, I'm still a little ashamed of you CIG.

That being said, the amount of salt coming from the Eve sub is pretty staggering. They already tagged their post with "Brigading from SC", whoever is doing that should probably knock it off, we don't need to be as juvenile as they are. Understand their side of things: their game has been out for years, and their cult following is being overshadowed by a game that's not even out of Alpha yet. Now we're not just figuratively stealing their thunder.

[–]SkormfuseData Runner -5 ポイント-4 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Stock images get used all the time in concept art to express a idea cheaply that is why concept art exists.

artists try their best to research if the images used are free use or come from a library they have purchased or have the license for.

If you believe the art is owned by another company inform CIG some times slip ups happen.

but looking that their is a link in here to the owners deviant art I gather it was art both companies came to use that has no license involved or if it does it was done none exclusively.

[–]KevinSPRINT[S] 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (5子コメント)

That Nebula is more then just concept art for EVE.

[–]MrHerpDerp 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

So it's used in-game too. Interesting.

[–]monkeypuHelper -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

yawn

[–]ElleRisalo 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I think the best part is this image was from a system in EVE that hosted the bloodiest battle in MMO history...and that the artist would have had to actually create an account travel to the system for the shot.

[–]Dr_Gats 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

and that the artist would have had to actually create an account travel to the system for the shot.

Eh, not really. A google reverse image search for me showed that the image was used all over the place on EVE fan sites, so the image is definitely already floating around out there.

[–]ElleRisalo -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

So the artist knowingly lifted from CCP interesting.

[–]ElleRisalo -5 ポイント-4 ポイント  (8子コメント)

Unbelievable that a company with the cash this one does would be capable of ripping off another's work. I mean can't draw or colour your own nebula give me 5k and 5 minutes in core draw and I'll whip something up.

Guess it's not a huge deal since it is concept art and the game would actually be on market to really be infringing.

[–]Quesa-dillaExplorer 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (7子コメント)

That's it, whip everyone up with your first paragraph only to realize it's not really that big of a deal in the second.

Have you considered a career in politics?

[–]ElleRisalo -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Nah I have a moral opposition to crowd sourcing funds and not actually being able to deliver.

[–]cabbagehead112 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (3子コメント)

YEAH!! the internet champion that no one cares about. This shit is common in concept art go do some research.

"So... I suppose if anyone wants an explanation - this is why it's perhaps not such a good idea to use Google Images to find source images for Photobashing. Really, this sort of problem is extremely common for concept art, no matter if it's an indie company, a AAA developer, or a VFX studio - look at any photo-heavy piece and you can guarantee that nearly all the photos used are probably copyrighted images the artist found on Google, simply because it's the easiest and cheapest way of doing so, and most concept art is traditionally only really an internal thing. Unfortunately, the only real alternative is either browsing though the usually quite crap public domain images on Flickr, or getting your company to pay for stock photos (Good luck with that.)"

[–]ElleRisalo -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

u/SirBlah

Why did you change your name.

As I said before...they could just you know...create their own art.

[–]SirBlah 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Uh, that's not me. Someone decided to quote my comment (notice the quotation marks).

[–]ElleRisalo -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't trust quotes without naming sources. This dude is ripping off your IP man.

[–]MrHerpDerp -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Oh snap.

Great riposte.

[–]Spyers 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't know that I've ever seen that concept art released by CIG. Which post from CIG did it come from?

[–]acemonster07Scout 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh look, it's MilesK from the SA forums. How you doin' goonie? Please step off with this bs.

[–]crazyprsnCivilian 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Guys guys. They're saying we're toxic. EVE playerbase is saying we're toxic.

oh no, how awful.

[–]monkeyfetus 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't see anything wrong with compositing images for internal concept art/visualizations. It's using a lifted image as promotional material that's the real problem here.

[–]dsb9938new user/low karma -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Did it occur to anybody that it might be a REAL nebula?