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[–]The_Write_Stuff 18 points19 points20 points  (15 children)
Come on, how bad would secession be?
[–]ignenrintegra 8 points9 points10 points  (2 children)
Every day it looks more and more like the only option to me.
[–]The_Write_Stuff 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
It's not that bad. In a lot of ways it would be a relief. When you have a couple who can't get along, sometimes separate accommodations can lower the stress level a lot.
The details would be fantastically difficult but no worse than any other divorce. Money, bills and property. Then figuring out how to manage which kids want to live with which parent, just on a bigger scale.
It doesn't have to turn into a fight but that's most people's instinctual reaction. It's better not to fight, even if the Republican states rolled tanks into LA. Just let them try to figure out how they're going to run things without the consent of the governed. Trying to run America as an occupied country would be a bitch.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
Haha It was funny when conservatives said that when obama was elected.
It's funny now that's it's liberals.
[–]Davidfreeze 3 points4 points5 points  (1 child)
I like Robert Reich's idea. A pact of progressive states to pool money for things like single payer and a strong social safety net. Enact climate change policy etc. they will still be in the US, but they will enact liberal policies in all member states and we can see who turns out better in four years.
[–]The_Write_Stuff 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
That is an interesting idea but as long as we're spending $0.25 out of every tax dollar on defense and defense related expenditures and the GOP can drag us into another war in Buttcrackistan we're never going to be able to get anywhere.
Maybe that's a stepping stone to eventually breaking away. Not a bad first step.
[–]MyUserNameTaken 3 points4 points5 points  (9 children)
Ask the south how it worked out for them?
[–]The_Write_Stuff 3 points4 points5 points  (8 children)
That was 150 years ago and no one is trying to bring back slavery. Invest in a calendar.
[–]MyUserNameTaken 8 points9 points10 points  (6 children)
Hey I didn't say it wouldn't be in their own best interest. And I would love to see what happens to the red states when they don't have the welfare from the blue states to support them. It's just that secession doesn't every go smoothly.
[–]The_Write_Stuff 2 points3 points4 points  (5 children)
That is very true and it wouldn't be easy or smooth. The facts are the west coast of the US is simply too large to manage by an occupying force. So, if the current regime rolls tanks, just step aside and let them through. Their options will be to have the federal government run that section of the US indefinitely or slaughter unarmed civilians. The Brits said India was never going to be independent but it was just too expensive to stay.
[–]devilknowshisown 0 points1 point2 points  (4 children)
Problem with that is the same thing that makes California feel like it's a viable independent state is the same thing that makes it too valuable for the USA to give up. Too much money, too much economic value. And once one state secedes, it will open a path for the breakup of the union- not to mention stocks pulling out of the USA immediately for fear of dollar instability.
The government would see secession as a elemental threat to its existence, and it would be a fair assumption.
As far as the military not being able to operate, I dont know what to tell you. I mean, even without the tanks, we still have precision munitions, drones, Apache copters, aircraft carriers, and a seasoned military right out of an insurrectionist conflict, and you're talking about fighting their forces on the same continent that they do their basic training on. I think most military units would look at the west coast as ideal operating terrain, even if they had to ditch the Abrams.
Not that I'm trying to stop you, I live elsewhere and our hot chicks keep leaving for la under the assumption they can become models. An iron curtain might finally get me a date.
Tldr You want to secede, you want to bleed.
[–]The_Write_Stuff 0 points1 point2 points  (3 children)
You can't keep the US together at gunpoint. That applies equally to Texas or California. Sure, the US Army can take and hold any objective they're given, anywhere. Then what? The military sucks at occupations.
[–]devilknowshisown 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)
You can't? You need to google Sherman's march, my friend.
[–]Xelif 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
Razing Los Angeles would certainly do wonders for the federal government's legitimacy and standing. I'm sure the millions of people whose homes and businesses you burn and lives you destroy would happily welcome you as liberators, and certainly not carry on a guerrilla war from the ruins.
Trump can even call up his buddy Bashar al-Assad for advice!
[–]CToxin 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
Sherman and grant disagree.
[–]ricardogcePennsylvania 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
Of course they don't want to bring slavery back, that would mean allowing non-whites to exist in their racist utopia. They have more final solutions in mind.
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