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[–]caosborne 188 ポイント189 ポイント  (3子コメント)

So OP I have had a somewhat dealing with this turd. I graduated from General Assembly in Austin and few other Vets who have graduated as well created a Vets that Code meetup (yes very similar name). So this dude reached out and threatened us with copyright infringement because of our meetup name. We did our due diligence and he didn't have any Trademarks filed and approved for anything relating close to it so we were happy to keep the name. Besides its a fucking meetup.

He then told us we could work together and use that meetup name but we'd get his resources and we'd have to pay a yearly fee and if we made any money we'd have to pay a royalty fee to him. We literally laughed at him and told him to go pound sand. So shortly after that he contacted his contacts at the New York General Assembly because that is where the CEO (more than likely the same user that responded to you) learned to code. The New York GA contacted the Austin GA and mentioned something to us about it and said we were stealing IP from him and we told them what he tried to do. They laughed as well. So yeah he and his organization is very scummy.

[–]Cigs77 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (1子コメント)

This is very relevant and should be upvoted to the top so people can see an actual account of someone who has dealt with them. I cant find any elsewhere, which is odd for an organization doing good. You would think it would be easy to find.

[–]caosborne 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (0子コメント)

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/vetswhocode/double-time-help-us-build-a-new-platform

I just found this as well. Digging through the Medium posts of the Director. The price levels are crazy $25 for a sticker, $50 for a shirt and sticker. This entire campaign sounds like a coding WWP to me.

[–]Tinker_Monkey 134 ポイント135 ポイント  (14子コメント)

If you are looking for a place for Vets and coding check out Operation Code they are a great community of Vets helping Vets. When you sign up (no donations necessary but I am sure welcome) you join a Slack group where we all talk and learn. Really great community!

[–]Cigs77 46 ポイント47 ポイント  (11子コメント)

Their Charity Navigator Information

Good to see someone actually advocating an org rather than an advertisement from an org.

[–]Tinker_Monkey 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (9子コメント)

I do what I can to help support them. I don't think they classify as a charity, more a community to help. They helped push me to go back to school. They where helping me the best they could to attend Nashville Software School (boot camp) which I was accepted but due to me unable to find affordable housing I opted myself to get my Bachelor's in Game Design over at Full Sail University. Even though that is not as strong computer science related they are still very supportive and helpful.

[–]Cigs77 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (8子コメント)

They definitely classify as a charity, and that absolutely matters.

[–]Tinker_Monkey 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Sorry for the confusion but what matters?

[–]Cigs77 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Their official tax classification as a charity, I linked it above. It is significantly less murky than vetswhocode.io for instance, but not as open as WWP.

[–]Tinker_Monkey 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Ok. Yeah honestly I checked the link but didn't know what I was looking at.

[–]Cigs77 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Its no problem man, im not the police. Just trying to help people have all the best information they can have.

[–]Mr-Yellow -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (3子コメント)

What if your company charter is that your charity is mainly in the business of advocacy and that advocacy consists of purely advertising for donations? Like most charities.

[–]Cigs77 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Mate Im not saying what they are doing is illegal. Plenty of charities operate without ever giving much money to their cause. Ive listed a few but there have been multiple expose articles on the subject. I just think people should be informed about how their donations are being used, especially when they are collected in the name of helping veterans.

[–]Mr-Yellow 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Mate Im not saying what they are doing is illegal.

Neither am I. Simply that they are exploitative parasites. Perfectly legal.

[–]Cigs77 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Agreed legal, but worth letting people know about all the same.

[–]bijan4187 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Theyre in portland, oregon? Maybe r/portland could help.

[–]Tyrantt_47[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'll check it out! Thanks

[–]Ichingo 40 ポイント41 ポイント  (4子コメント)

He did try to make this a race thing i see

@JeromeHardaway
And thinking about how entitled this White Male Veteran was and just how he acted.

[–]Tyrantt_47[S] 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (2子コメント)

No way!?

Woooooow. I'm also a coward for hanging up on him while he screamed at me. Cool.

[–]Ichingo 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yes just after he sent the one i put below, he sent the white male one. pretty sad in my opinion. even if it is not specific or anything, i cant just read that and not think that he is saying that you are like the entitled white male veteran.

@JeromeHardaway

I keep thinking about how respectful and honorable the black veteran was when he was accused of lying about his service at the restaurant.

[–]Tyrantt_47[S] 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well when you have nothing else in your hand, you gotta throw down the race card.

[–]emt139 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wow. Just going by his twitter, the dude is a douche.

[–]bluen 34 ポイント35 ポイント  (0子コメント)

My question is how do we get them arrested for fraud?

[–]hardwire187 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Good on you. There are tons of scams taking advantage of vets, extremely fucking scandalous.

[–]Tyrantt_47[S] 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thanks. Just pisses me off because I was looking for help and realized they just want the money that is supposed to go to the vets rather than wanting to help the vets

[–]AtHeartEngineer 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

There should be an easier way to report these people and have them investigated. Aren't cops supposed to do this in theory? I guess specifically this should be the FBI.

[–]Cigs77 47 ポイント48 ポイント  (8子コメント)

I would be very interested to speak to anyone who has information or insight on the thread linked in the OP.

I would also be very interested to know if the poster in the thread linked by OP is an official representative of vetswhocode.io

EDIT- I would be interested as well to see how and based upon what criteria OP was disqualified for. Their application has a single question about your favorite MRE. Im am curious as to how that information leads to a qualified candidate vs. an unqualified candidate.

I also have to say that the timing of the "unqualified" email from the org to suggest that the reddit account comes from the org. I also find the fact that the CEO called OP to suggest that the reddit account may even be the CEO himself.

EDIT: CEO of vetswhocode.io decided it was a good idea to post OP's private information obtained from his application to a charity organization on Reddit in an attempt to bully/doxx him into silence. Is it legal for the CEO of a charity to do this when they are asked questions about their process they dont like? It is obviously against reddit TOS, but what about actual law?

[–]fallen77 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (6子コメント)

They take all of their donations through Kindful.com which handles the money processing and looks like anyone can register. You could probably contact them and have a bigger impact. It doesn't look like Vetswhocode.io has any information about a privacy statement.

[–]Tyrantt_47[S] 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (4子コメント)

How'd you find out that they get their funding through them?

[–]fallen77 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Clicking 'Donate' takes you to a page, https://vetswhocode.kindful.com/

Kindful looks like an independant service that allows any organization to fundraise. Inside their ToS they do have requirements that information not be used to harass individuals so you might check there.

[–]Tyrantt_47[S] 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Oh do they? Great info. I'll call them later

[–]AtHeartEngineer 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Interested to see what they say. I'm a veteran, this really pisses me off.

[–]Cigs77 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Agreed. We should tweet this thread @ kindful. His recent behavior is deserving of that.

[–]nanenj 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sadly, the fact he's a featured panelist on some prominent podcasts also makes him appear legitimate. Even if he is, the recent behavior makes it seem like his game-plan is being foiled. He hasn't seemed overly qualified when talking on the panel, but, I'd attributed that to just failed representation of ability since 1 hour insights on specific topics don't always give you a full picture.

[–]Alicricity 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Wow, I just read the exchange in that thread and sweet balls on fire they are deplorable. "If you couldn't find our information that's out there you didn't think critically enough, now I shall berate you for figuring out we're a piece of shit company".

What a way to treat our vets. I'm so sorry.

[–]Tyrantt_47[S] 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Agreed. That part blew my mind because Vets are messaging them for help and transitioning, but they're going to be a piece of shit about it and berate us

[–]Alicricity 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sucks that you have to deal with people like this more often than not :(

[–]Cigs77 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Here is the twitter account of the CEO of vetswhocode.io

I think his tweets speak for themselves as to who he is and what this org is about. Make your decisions, plenty of information here.

[–]yseo4530 37 ポイント38 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Check out the executive director's Twitter.

Seems like a very mature, sensible person. /s

[–]name_censored_ 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (2子コメント)

[–]stephannnnnnnnnnnnn -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Twitter shaming?

Edit: oh I wholeheartedly support shaming this fraudulent prick. What did y'all downvoters assume I meant from just two words?

[–]ss0317 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (2子コメント)

lol, anyone who wears a watch like that is a douche bag... dead giveaway.

[–]0xJRS 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Holy hell you're right, what a horrible watch. Someone get that man a Suunto

[–]ss0317 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

He just needs some ed hardy and embroidered jeans with rivets in them to go along with it...

[–]ProdiGG 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (2子コメント)

There is so little information about them anywhere that this is already one of the top search results on google lmao.

[–]Tyrantt_47[S] 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I googled them, but didn't see this thread

[–]ProdiGG 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wait I don't see it now either.. About two hours ago it was right above their facebook link.

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    [–]desrtfx[M] 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Please, stay civilized and don't pronounce threats.

    This is not the way to go on this subreddit even though I fully sympathize with you here.

    I remove your post, but you have a chance to edit it in such a way that the threat (doxxing) and the foul language are removed. After this you can message the mods to have the comment reinstated if you wish.

    [–]Loken89 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I saw you crossposted this on /r/military, but please post on /r/veterans as well!!! Thanks for the heads up, from a Vet who is trying to learn to code!

    [–]Flipflop_Ninjasaur 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Just curious, what made you want to apply to such a shifty looking non-profit?

    [–]PM_PICS_OF_ME_NAKED 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Freecodecamp. Actually free and no BS.

    I don't understand how leaches like this manage to operate when there are groups that provide everything they claim to without any qualifications.

    [–]Tyrantt_47[S] 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Thanks man. Already in it! Finished with the portfolio project before discovering P1tX guide. Now I'm mostly trough book 1

    [–]PM_PICS_OF_ME_NAKED 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Awesome. Good luck bud, I hope it goes quick for you.

    [–]Mediaright 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Also check out CS50. They handle more the "computer science" side of programming. They're bedrock, and will get you excited too.

    [–]twocoffeespoons 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I used to work at a (crappy) web-hosting company and ran into one of these veteran scams. It was run by an absolutely awful couple that tried to "certify" veterans as "ethical hackers". Fortunately anyone that knew anything about computing could tell it was a scam just by looking at their website. It looked like it was made in geo-cities. There was a spinning gif of a cross and bones with the words HACKER in scary red letters overhead. Not terribly convincing. I still remember that couple screaming at me over the phone. Some people just aren't worth the air they breathe. Sorry you had to deal with that.

    [–]Tyrantt_47[S] 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    its all good. im just glad that its getting out there so people dont waste their money on them.

    [–]ordnance1987 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Have you tried contacting Guardian of Valor? They usually look into stolen valor but if enough people contact them they can probably look into this organization.

    [–]Adium 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I created a this one website when I was in. Whole idea was a community where soldiers can share powerpoints and templates for counselings and awards. All of it was free. Had DMCA claims left and right trying to shut me down, forcing me to jump from host to host until I found one that understood that anything the government produces is public domain. The claims always claim from sites that scraped my site and/or AKO and sold access. Paid for access to one once and found several counselings there with my name in the MS Word meta data.

    Now everything I see that mentions veterans and wants money is a huge red flag in my eyes. There are several government funded resources for health and education. These third parties see people in need that they can take advantage of and when called out they get to scream "but we're helping veterans, what do you have against the veterans?"

    [–]garbagejooce 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Disgusting. What a POS. OP, be as loud as you can about this. Don't let this asshole get away with his immoral actions. Bad things happen when good people do nothing. I hope this scummy bastard gets shot in the face.

    [–]Cigs77 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Shot in the face is probably extreme. Maybe we could just let people know not to donate to his organization because he is a scummy dude?

    [–]eyessewnopen 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    The podcast that they referred to may have been this one: http://www.codenewbie.org/podcast/vets-who-code

    [–]nanenj 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    He is also a panelist on Ruby Rogues. He was one of the replacements after the creator of Ruby Rogue had his own snafu.

    [–]Dioxide20 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Are these the same guys who were just on HanselMinutes Podcast?

    [–]shiggydiggypreoteins 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Hey all, really new to coding here so please feel free to tell me if what I am saying is dumb. I looked at this page and decided to look at the source code, and saw this for where their "donation progress bar" is:

    <h2 class="headerline">Thank you!</h2> <h4>You've helped us raise a staggering <strong>$35,000</strong> so far!</h4> <div class="progress"> <div class="progress-bar progress-bar-striped active" role="progressbar" aria-valuenow="35" aria-valuemin="0" aria-valuemax="100" style="width: 20%">35%</div> </div>

    Looking at that, can't we see that this is no dynamic bar that changes based on received donations, and is just fixed at that amount? If the bar actually reflected real donations, it would have to be something that you wouldn't have to go in and change the code by hand every time you received a donation. (as if donated amount equaling approximately $35,000.00 isnt a dead giveaway)

    [–]Rossco1337 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Not necessarily, it could be using serverside code. I've not checked to see what the site is running but with PHP and short-tags, the file might look something like:

    ...staggering <strong>$<?=$cashReceived?></strong>...
    ...aria-valuenow="<?=$progress?>"...
    

    With those variables defined somewhere else, possibly from a database connection. From the users perspective, the HTML renders without the server side code.

    However, you're probably right, the most likely scenario is someone just entered the numbers in there and they manually update it.

    [–]Focus5Hot 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Their official tax classification as a charity, and that absolutely matters.

    [–]Fartknocker420 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I actually attended GA at the same time as the ceo and had a fair amount of contact with him. The impression I got was that he is a bit of a character who liked to talk big, but is in fact a decent person. However, I am not surprised that his charity hasn't gone anywhere. I don't mean that as a major slight either, there are loads of code camp graduates who dream of pie in the sky startups without getting much farther than a website and a launch party.

    I think this is most likely a case of an ineffective/unsuccessful attempt at charity than fraud. But that doesn't excuse the rest of their behavior. And they probably should end the operation if they haven't accomplished anything in two years.

    [–]Dienstmann 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Shot in the thread linked in the thread linked in the MS Word meta data.

    [–]basketballt3 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Posting to the vets rather than an advertisement from an org.

    [–]Systemofwar 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Seems like you have enough info here, that if anyone actually cared, this man/company should be charged.

    [–]cowman1699 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Even if he is, the recent behavior is deserving of that.

    [–]Maddman31 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Mate Im not saying what they are still very supportive and helpful.

    [–]sacchetta 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Interesting, I use to work on a Podcast where the main guy (for vetswhocode) was on the panel. I never actually got a grasp of what vetswhocode does. At first he was a guest on the show then there was panel drama and they needed replacements so he went on the show. Basically after working on a good chunk of episodes all I got was, experienced vets offer insight and help to other vets who are out of the military and want to learn how to code.

    I always was kind of waiting for more info, but pretty much whenever it was brought up the other hosts or guests would be like omg thats so amazing thank you for your service and didn't ask any questions other than what code should you learn first?

    I mean I may be missing some details, I am not a programmer so a lot of it went over my head but I can't recall hearing about any of the logistics.

    [–]prfct_magr 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Maybe we could just let people know about all the same.

    [–]TalkOfSexualPleasure 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Could we croudsource a class action fraud suit? This dude sounds like a real deuce canoe.

    [–]Nac82 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    This entire thing could be reposted to r/quityourbullshit to spread awareness and they would get a kick out of it lol

    [–]intox310 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Do you have any proof beyond just simply saying that this happened?

    [–]TalkOfSexualPleasure 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    The dudes twitter page, someone else linked it.

    [–]repooper -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    I'm curious - do you have any evidence that they don't actually help veterans? Regardless of their marketing or kickstarter practices, nothing I see here proves that they don't teach vets to code.

    [–]Tyrantt_47[S] 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    nothing also proves them to be what they claim to be.

    they have one whooping success story to parade around, just enough to be claimed a charity.

    [–]repooper 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Yes, but since you're the one making the allegations that the whole thing is a scam, you're the one who has the burden of proof. So do you have any actual evidence that they are not spending their money on training veterans, aside from the fact that they did spend money on at least one veteran? I'm not trying to get your goat here; I just think the accusation that they're stealing from veterans is a pretty serious one and should be treated as such.

    [–]Adium 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Maybe they aren't stealing from vets? But they aren't proving they do anything other than that either.

    Also having the CEO or whatever for the company going on a Twitter Trumpage with OP doesn't sell the idea they are honest either.

    [–]jmaximus -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Expect scams to explode under Trump.