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Self-promotion without contribution - A 'double standard' discussion (self.reddevils)

D1794Viva Ronaldo[M] が 投稿

Hi guys,

It's a rule on this sub that we don't allow people to spam their blog, YT channel, podcast, etc etc, without being an active member of /r/reddevils. We aren't robots you can use to gain clicks. Either join in with our other posts or you're not allowed to post your stuff. Most self-promotion gets downvoted anyway as it's easily recognized as such.

However, we've had many, many accounts recently promoting just their Youtube channel, and the videos they post are interviews, press conferences, TV discussions, etc. They get upvoted, but they're doing the exact same thing as the people spamming their blogs. They're just using us for clicks and attention.

What do you want to see allowed? It's basically creating a '1 rule for one, 1 rule for another' scenario if we let them stand and we'd like to be fair to everyone who wants to promote themselves. I personally don't like letting them stand, but seeing the upvotes i'd like to put it up to discussion. All videos do get to the sub eventually from active users, but slightly easier obtainable if we let them slide.

Thanks

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[–]LeorenthelaPogba 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (6子コメント)

i think we should allow articles that promote discussion, like this one: http://statsbomb.com/2017/01/memphis-depay-why-it-hasnt-worked-out-at-man-united/

but things like top 10 goals or best de gea saves, from users who don't contribute shouldn't be allowed.

[–]D1794Viva Ronaldo[S] 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (4子コメント)

I don't think posting a link to an article written by yourself when you don't frequent the subreddit is done to create discussion.

If you actually wanted discussion, that's what self-posts are for. If you're an active member of the sub and stumble across this why not, but to write it, submit it, then fuck off once it's posted isn't done to generate anything but clicks to your site.

[–]LeorenthelaPogba 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (3子コメント)

i ment that the article can create discussion , not that the poster did it for sake of it.

and if it does and the article is informative, so maybe don't delete it

[–]D1794Viva Ronaldo[S] 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

That's the point of the post though. If it's being posted for self-promotion alone, but the actual post is informative or good content, should it stand? They're promoting themselves and using us for clicks but the content itself aint that bad.

[–]digitagCarrick 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Don't see why not. There's nothing inherently wrong with self-promotion, the problem is with spam and low quality content. I don't see why the fact the poster had a hand in the creation devalues the content itself. But I get why it's a concern - you don't want to invite more spam so there needs to be strict moderation of content. Would personally be happy for the mod team to judge the value of content on the fly and ban users who don't meet the required criteria for quality... but perhaps you are concerned about creating unnecessary extra work for yourselves?

[–]D1794Viva Ronaldo[S] 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The work aspect aint the problem. I don't mind doing extra, the issue I think we're facing it that the subreddit is built by the userbase and without it, it's shit. We're sticking a middle finger up to some of the userbase who write blogs, produce podcasts, etc if we allow these posts cause we're basically saying their content is shit compared to this Youtube video ripped from Sky Sports, putting money in some random guy's pocket for doing basically fuck all.

[–]SeasickSykes"Oh Alan Shearer was F%#king Dearer" 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I disagree, sometimes it's nice to see old compilation videos, i think it's more a matter of intent from the user, if they're here to discuss the material they post, and it's not a repost of the same shit we see all the time, then let them stay, if they just post it and fuck off to soccer to post it there, then yeh, get shut in my book.

[–]Creamy_Goodne55 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (4子コメント)

I find it funny that Howson has caught on and posts about 5 posts around the time he wants to promote his next video and then disappears until the next one is out.

I dont think we should allow any of them to be self posted. If someone from the sub finds it, thinks its interesting and posts it then fine. If its quite clearly either a upload bot or a person just uploading his videos then hes trying to force discussion on his videos and it shouldnt be allowed.

Its the exact same reason we have the tier system. You dont see Ducker or Ogden posting their own content on here, we know its (generally) reliable so we go and get it.

[–]D1794Viva Ronaldo[S] 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I agree with you completely I just wanted to get the opinions of others. I don't like removing a video that has 10-20 upvotes but it's posted by a guy/robot who has posted 10 videos in the past 3 days across different subreddits.

[–]parton90Football, bloody hell! 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

At least Howson is happy to do his videos and then engage in a discussion around them at very least which is an improvement on these accounts which purely post videos and have never written a comment in their lives. Plus, some of his content is pretty good and he gives info that casual fans might not necessarily know but would find interesting e.g. youth reviews.

[–]Ztr1der 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I dunno man, some people may not like the fulltime guys but they are at every game getting interviews with other fans who attended. I think this is an awesome community thing and have no issues with them posting their videos.

[–]dettworkUnited -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

yeah I like Howson's videos, he needs to be given a pass

[–]GourangaPlusPlusPartial to Martial 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The reddit 10% rule is a great rule of thumb.

If self-promotion is under 10% of a users contribution then it's allowed, if not then get rid

[–]unitedfeverSteven Gerrard GOAT 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Build an electronic wall and make those YouTubers pay for it!

[–]DutchTouristDaley Blind 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think the rule of self promotion is good as it is. This is a community of users, so people who post here should be users as well. What /u/MrStephenHowson does is self promotion, but he also comments on other threads, and responds to questions on his own content. I don't have a problem with that. Video's of press conferences are interesting, but there'll be users who post that content as well. If you want to make sure that your own version is posted on /r/reddevils make it a point to be somewhat active here. Make a summary of the most important quotes in a comment for example.

[–]TryxtiraBlind 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I've actually thought a lot about this. I really like watching the press conferences and have at times found very small Youtube channels that post it through this subreddit. I feel a little dirty for giving them views, but I also really want the content.

Could we perhaps create some sort of an "official" channel that posts press conferences?

I know I'm a low poster, I lurk a lot. Sorry!

[–]SeasickSykes"Oh Alan Shearer was F%#king Dearer" 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

For me it's 30 seconds worth of reviewing whether they're an active member or not, if they partake in discussion and this is shown in their comment history, let is stand, if only the video hasn't been posted in the last 24 hours or so maybe.

All the others can do one for all I care, there's nothing I hate more, I mean personally, if they're press interviews and things like that especially (if they're reposts), i'd say remove them, especially considering YT users like Beanyman pays for his right to use the material, so people ripping them are cashing in on the investment others have made, and that fucks me off.

I'm a cameraman, i'd hate for someone to obtain my footage to sell for themselves.

[–]D1794Viva Ronaldo[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I review most people who post them and a vast majority are just posting video after video. No comments at all.

They're mainly just pulled from Sky Sports or BT Sport so it's not ripping anyone off except the big boy broadcasters.

[–]parton90Football, bloody hell! 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

It really irks me when people contribute nothing and just spam their sites/videos across multiple subs. If the primary account isn't contributing a decent amount on a regular basis then they should be removed/banned.

If users who regularly contribute are then posting the videos further down the line then, imo, the content needs to be relevant or to be removed. As mentioned on another comment, the stuff like "10 De Gea saves" being posted randomly on a Tuesday morning really doesn't contribute anything and looks like it is often being done just to garner upvotes.

EDIT - I appreciate the last bit might be a little more difficult to police.

[–]D1794Viva Ronaldo[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Posts like '10 de Gea saves' would be removed if it's just someone pushing their YT channel. But an account posting TV interviews in the build up to a game, or press conferences shortly afterwards are doing the exact same thing, but less people seem to care, creating the double standard in the rule.

[–]parton90Football, bloody hell! 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think the thing is that the interviews are relevant at the time so more people are interested in them which obviously in turn creates a bit of a loophole for people who are self-promoting.

[–]mu_37Ibrahimovic 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

how about something like a pinned comment in the post match thread saying to put the interviews and analysis here?

i come here a lot for those kind of videos, but can understand the mods point of view here too.

so i feel like that would be a good solution.

[–]D1794Viva Ronaldo[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'd love to sticky a interview/analysis thread, but we're only allowed 2 at a time and they're almost always occupied.

[–]dettworkUnited 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I want to see press conferences & highlights, interviews etc, & it's one of the big reasons I come here

how they get posted isn't a big deal for me, if the one running the channel doesn't post them then someone else will basically. If the videos are good content then it's a quality post...

[–]i-Poker 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Part of me thinks the downvote button is sufficient and as far as quality of content I'd say a youtube video or a podcast by far trumps a blog post (which just as well could've been submitted as a regular post), so lets separate those two. One of the functions of the sub is to act as a portal to other United content and for this reason the self-promoters serves a purpose.

Another part of me thinks the self-promotion is a bit ridiculous. If the sub is good enough to spam, then surely it is also good enough to stick around for a while and at least engage in the comment section of your provided content?

A good compromise would perhaps be to demand the self-promoters give a shout-out to r/reddevils either as a link in the description or a literal shout-out in the vid/pod. This way the self-promotion is beneficial to both parties and the traffic flows both ways.

[–]Hot2Trot94 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

To me it sounds like your censoring posts based on intent not content which im not sure is the right way to do it. I have no problem with the self promotion articles as the crap ones will be downvoted and the good ones promoted. Also having people self promote articles will hopefully give interaction between the reddevils community and whoever wrote the article which is much more interesting and creates more debate than a lot of self posts as you have something normally better formatted and expressed to deal with. Also I am going to be honest I have never come on reddevils and thought there was too much to read. How many times will most of us throughout a day come back to check and see its all the same stuff we read and checked on 20 minutes ago. I dont see more content as a bad thing and 'self' posts tend to be crap. Essentially i dont see the purpose in putting artificial barriers between people looking for man utd content and those creating it. In regards to the videos just let the first one stay as it is useful content we want to see and it doesnt hurt the reddevils community in anyway going to these guys channels. edit just to stay low quality spamming self promotion I am bored on with being removed but if its self-promotion in the sense of 'here is a blog i wrote on x and y' then i think it helps both parties tremendously

[–]Flick_My_Bean_Geoff 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't think spammers should be allowed.

If you want to create discussion for people here you submit as a text post. If you want to get clicks on your site you'd link to your site.

I don't mind links to users sites if they're active here, can help someone out with their site.

But people who never post but still link their stuff shouldn't be allowed.

[–]yiyiyiyiPogba 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

If the content is good then a regular user will eventually see it and post it here.

I think your spam rules are just fine.

[–]bagombos_enough_boxFat Ronaldo 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

If the primary point of them posting is self-promotion, let's fuck it off.

However, I have no problem with people positing genuinely interesting content.

If someone posts an HD video of a full pre- or post-match press conference, for example, I couldn't care less whether or not it's branded.

[–]D1794Viva Ronaldo[S] 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Their primary point is self-promotion. A lot of the accounts spam their videos across many different subreddits. They don't even comment anything. but sometimes that spam is an interview etc etc.