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/r/Philadelphia, Trolling, and Alt-Right/Neo-Nazi's (self.philadelphia)

gk128New Donk City?![M] が 投稿 - announcement

So I banned a bunch of alt-right/neo-nazi assholes last night.

These fucks have been slowly taking over more and more of Reddit, and lately they've been more vocal here in /r/philadelphia.

I'm done with this bullshit. If you bring that in this sub you will be banned. I banned most of the people I thought were toxic. I did not ban some others. That does not mean they are safe, but they don't post /r/the_donald bullshit in every thread.

We have always been lax on trolling and would like to continue to be. Trolling can be funny or it can be mean. No more mean trolling.

This is not about differing political opinions. I will argue all day, but as soon as you start linking or talking in alt-right talking points you can fuck right off. It is not a legitimate stance. Period. We are not going to let alt-right/neo-nazi fucks take over this sub, and I wish Reddit admins would start banning their toxic subs.

Have a problem with any of this? You don't have to post here.

REMINDER: If you see something you think needs to be looked at by a mod REPORT IT. We will see things much faster that way.

UPDATE: Once again this is not about squashing opposing views. This is about the recent mean spirited trolling that has come from people with 'pede' in their username or some form of racist / political extremism. You have all seen it over the last month. If you are a normal poster you will be fine. If you start trolling every thread like some of these guys were you will join them.

UPDATE 2: I don't give a shit if you are alt-right or a neo-nazi, but you can do that shit elsewhere. The fact that so many think we should allow hate speech is pretty shocking. Take it elsewhere. We don't need it here.

EDIT: Thanks for the gold, but don't waste it on me, I still have like 4 years from buying Alien Blue.

FINAL UPDATE?: People seeing this on /r/All or other subs coming in and just going "fuck you liberal nazi" can also fuck off. You have not been in this sub at all. You are coming in to this blind and have no idea the shit that has been going on. I have been physically threatened by more than one poster over political arguments. This shit is going to stop now and if you have a problem with that get the fuck out as this sub is not for you anyway.

Just for transparency HERE is the ban list. All Rule 31 bans are from Simon and will be lifted soon. You can see that only a few people were actually banned. there were a few more, but they deleted the accounts so Reddit removed them. Checking their histories will show the bullshit I am talking about here.

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[–]Simon_the_CannibalOld Kenzo[M] [スコア非表示] stickied comment (31子コメント)

Those of you complaining that u/gk128 is being a fascist monster should know that he's the nice one. I tend to ban people for Rule 9 and Rule 20.

Any replies that don't follow Rule 31 will be removed.

Also, I'm surprised I haven't been subjected to Rule 35 yet, given that I've yet to discover any Rule 34 for myself.

Hello r/all folks! We're a bunch of idiots. If you don't know about the death threats, you probably shouldn't comment. You're less likely to get banned if you include tits in your post.

[–]mountjo 870 ポイント871 ポイント  (11子コメント)

Thank you.

[–]belisaurius 114 ポイント115 ポイント  (4子コメント)

GK gets a lot of shit, but I think our little community here is doing alright.

[–]Hi_friendz 46 ポイント47 ポイント  (0子コメント)

community here is doing altright.

ftfy

[–]Bokonomy 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I dunno why, they seem pretty reasonable...?

[–]belisaurius 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (0子コメント)

GK is a vocal person. And so sometimes his personal beliefs are construed to be the beliefs and motivations of the moderation team. So, a vocal minority here are unable to move past his stridency and see that his actions as a moderator, rather than a community member, are entirely reasonable and taken for the health of the subreddit as a whole.

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    [–]kevinbobevin 27 ポイント28 ポイント  (4子コメント)

    Ditto. It's sad because for a while I thought Philadelphians were just mean. And I'm originally from New York.

    It was jarring, because I love this city and its people. But I've stopped engaging in this sub because it was so toxic. So seriously, thank you.

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      [–]8Drawgo flyers. 389 ポイント390 ポイント  (66子コメント)

      The real irony is the outspoken racists calling every sub they get banned from a "safe space" are going to have to scurry off to some dark echochamber once we give em the boot

      edit: I invite anyone who seeks to "debate" the finer points of "Biological differences between race ... the downfalls of diversity, etc etc", as they put it, to do so publicly with strangers on any street in Philadelphia and see how our city receives your bigotry.

      [–]dragoncockles 124 ポイント125 ポイント  (4子コメント)

      Yet they go and create a sub where civil disagreement is a bannable offense. I don't think you know what a safe space is guys

      [–]Airgiraffe 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Hah, yeah, I got banned from r/conservatives for pointing out that the democrats and republicans used to be the other way around politically. When I then asked the moderators why (which the ban message told me I could do) they muted me from messaging the mods

      [–]HRpuffystuff 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      They're not letting me spout my racist bullshit! They're the real racists!

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        [–]ghost_of_deaf_ninjaBrewerytown 462 ポイント463 ポイント  (114子コメント)

        My man.

        Agree 100% admins need to start cracking down on this bullshit. /r/The_Donald is where the /r/CoonTown folks retreated to with their throwaways once the sub was banned, and are only slightly more closeted with their racism. You can tell thanks to their strange fascination with cuckoldry, which really has nothing to do with politics and was a reoccurring theme in /r/CoonTown.

        Edit: Phrasing and words

        Another Edit: Strange fascination I tell ya

        [–]PhilliesJawnDrexel 148 ポイント149 ポイント  (11子コメント)

        Thank you. I'm a conservative and I can't stand these clowns trolling every subreddit, not only annoying the shit out of people, but also giving non-asshole, and non-racist conservatives a bad name. I'm all for free speech but when it becomes harassment something needs to be done.

        [–]35Fuckup 29 ポイント30 ポイント  (8子コメント)

        Yep, I thought Reddit was just overreacting (like they always do) so I went over to /altright, and as a Jewish conservative it makes me fucking sick what they think over there, it makes us look terrible like how extreme leftists make my liberal friends look bad

        [–]PhilliesJawnDrexel 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (7子コメント)

        Yeah exactly. The alt right is just a tiny faction of the Republican Party that needs to be pushed far, far away. Most republicans I know either don't know what the alt-right is, or they discredit them completely.

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          [–]Liesmith 245 ポイント246 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          About damn time! Thanks!! Give'em an inch and they'll think they can start burning crosses.

          [–]turbonegro81063 246 ポイント247 ポイント  (38子コメント)

          Stop calling them Alt Right. They are scumbag, degenerate, low class Neo-FUCKING-Nazis

          [–]RevTom 70 ポイント71 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          I liked what Aziz Ansari called them on SNL. the lowercase kkk

          [–]Guardian_4521 hour away 85 ポイント86 ポイント  (31子コメント)

          BASH

          [–]Silentwes1/3 Mayfair 2/3 San Diego 84 ポイント85 ポイント  (30子コメント)

          THE

          [–]arrotz 92 ポイント93 ポイント  (28子コメント)

          FASH

          [–]--smokeandmirrors-- 46 ポイント47 ポイント  (25子コメント)

          http://i.imgur.com/YcQT4OI.gif

          [–]EvilShayton 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Sweet fucking Christmas, I swear to the Liberty Bell, the Declaration of Independence, The Constitution of these United States and Ben Muthafuckin Franklin when i see this gif, I get a rush of satisfaction that the finest pornography has never given me. Bash the Fash.

          [–]Garyhood 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Hard rights for the alt right

          [–]GhstfceIvyland 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          POW! Right in the jugular

          [–]Hanchan 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          The only problem with that gif is the lack of a knife. Only good nazi is one dead in a shallow ditch.

          [–]saintofhate 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (1子コメント)

          Gods I could watch that all day. So far my favorite is this set to "Hollaback girl"

          [–]CVance1University City 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          I just need one with Guillotine and I'm set for life

          [–]IgnoranceIsADiseasebe excellent to each other 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

          What is going on in that gif?

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            [–]aDreamySortofNobody 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Wouldn't it be FASC?

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              [–]Airway 48 ポイント49 ポイント  (1子コメント)

              Keep calling them Alt-Right, so T_D knows they're in bed with /r/altright, the sub for literal nazis.

              [–]thescarwar 35 ポイント36 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Holy shit what a cesspool in there

              [–]Ohnana_ 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (1子コメント)

              Neo-neo-nazis. The old neo nazis had an image problem. These guys don't.

              [–]Mouthtuom 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              All they have to do is put on a sports coat and the salute looks less threatening.

              [–]macnbloo 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Alt wrong amirite?

              [–]the_hoagie 108 ポイント109 ポイント  (2子コメント)

              Nice.

              [–]jdb12 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (1子コメント)

              Good thing you're not a troll. I'm not sure how this sub would react to banning "the_hoagie".

              [–]gimpwiz 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Where's that meme of two buttons and a guy struggling to choose?

              [–]PatrickSprayze"Sugar babies" 62 ポイント63 ポイント  (21子コメント)

              I'd like to point out little baby Brolonoius deleted and reactivated his account in less than 24 hours. Even Redwoodser had more willpower.

              [–]Bokonomy 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (2子コメント)

              Has redwoodser been more reasonable lately or something? Because I think the are bigger problems on here than him.

              [–]TheFAPnetworkdo youse goys order eh temayteh poy? 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (1子コメント)

              He banned himself from this sub. You can try linking him but that doesn't work most times

              [–]7744666west philly troll crew 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              He came back though, posting in this very thread.

              [–]tenta_shark_man 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (15子コメント)

              Ban Brolonious.

              [–]TheFAPnetworkdo youse goys order eh temayteh poy? 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (14子コメント)

              Tbf they're okay. Phillypede came into question tho. Then again I haven't seen racist stuff from them either

              [–]ikenjake#HINKIE 42 ポイント43 ポイント  (6子コメント)

              Phillypede doesn't seem like a nazi, just a south Philly style conservative, which in this case means loud and obnoxious.

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                  [–]RetroRN 119 ポイント120 ポイント  (9子コメント)

                  Sounds great to me! They can always create another Philly subreddit if they wish to

                  [–]KFCConspiracyStrawberry Mansion Development Committee Member 125 ポイント126 ポイント  (8子コメント)

                  What would they call it, /r/philadelphianazis

                  [–]tjw105 125 ポイント126 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                  They weren't trolling they were just passionately elaborating on alternative facts. /s

                  It's saying something when an entire political movement (albeit a minority) has to differentiate themselves from neo-nazi's.

                  [–]LazarusFaustus 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  They're not actually different groups though. They're literal neo-Nazis who have decided to rebrand to make themselves more alluring to a new generation of insecure and ignorant young people trying to find their place in the world, and making themselves new and more palatable to the media and everyone else who is viscerally opposed to neo-Nazis.

                  It's a more "politically correct" term, if you will, for Nazis.

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                    [–]MelissajoanshartPoint Breeze 56 ポイント57 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    👏👏

                    [–]cerialthriller 84 ポイント85 ポイント  (139子コメント)

                    whats an alt-right talking point? I dont really follow and of the the donald stuff since i have it filtered and honestly ive kind of always just thought all of this "alt-right" talk people on the left just categorizing things they didnt like hearing as "alt-right nazis" because pretty much any post on politics will have people claiming anything from racial genocide to not having free birthcontrol as "alt-right"

                    [–]standaafghan 184 ポイント185 ポイント  (135子コメント)

                    alt-right = white nationalism.

                    Some on the left started calling right-wing policies "alt-right," policies. Like calling a Republican a nazi in previous years.

                    Like: "People on food stamps are just suckling on the teat of hardworking Americans." Is kinda dickish, but not inherently racist.

                    As opposed to: "Do you think it's a coincidence that the parts of cities that are full of minorities are also full of crime? I mean, these people are animals that need to get with American culture."

                    See, the first one is just Ayn Rand nonsense, the actual alt-right stuff is Adolf Hitler nonsense.

                    [–]dustlesswalnut 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                    "Alt-right" was coined by Richard Spencer, one of the intellectual leaders of the group, it wasn't coined as a pejorative by the left.

                    [–]standaafghan 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                    I didn't mean to say that it was invented by the left as a pejorative term, but I can see how you got that from my comment.

                    What I meant was that being called alt-right in 2017 is like being called a Nazi previously.

                    [–]dustlesswalnut 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Unless you were referring to an actual Nazi, using the term Nazi is just hyperbole.

                    I don't know how it's hyperbolic to call a group of people and the policies they are advocating by the label they've chosen for themselves.

                    [–]deadly_inhale 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                    My big concern is the question "is alt-right a term that could be used to describe non white-nationalism"

                    Could it just be a political stance apart from racist policies. And if so isn't this just a backdoor way to ban an ideology certain people dislike.

                    Edit: did a little reading and wow that movement is shitty as hell but if /u/oscarasimov was legit banned for his in line responce then that is exactly the type of shitty mod behavior I am afraid of

                    [–]standaafghan 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                    No, alt-right is explicitly a white nationalist ideology.

                    [–]oscarasimov 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    again, it seems like you're not understanding the subtlety of the question.

                    To rephrase it:Is it possible that we could be identifying ideas or positions erroneously as alt-right? Or further, could we be labeling relatively benign alt-right positions as having some white nationalistic quality?

                    For example, suppose leaders of a white nationalist group wanted to restrict immigration. Whether you personally agree with that stance or not, you can't argue that it isn't a fairly typical political opinion that people generally don't see as being intrinsically 'white-nationalistic'.

                    However, what if we began labeling people who wanted to restrict immigration, as white-nationalists since 'restricting imigration' is a position of white-nationalists? Do you not see how that would not be a mistake?

                    edit: given that I was just banned from this sub for ostensibly disagreeing with the moderators, I don't think theres any question that this is entirely politically motivated

                    [–]cerialthriller 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (92子コメント)

                    so say if someone were opposed to ACA, im not personally, but if you said nobody should have Affordable healthcare you wouldnt be alt right, but if you said only white people should have affordable healthcare then it is alt-right? What about if you dont believe women should be allowed to get free birth control or be allowed to have abortions, ive seen that called alt right a lot but there is no race involved. For the record im pro-choice and conflicted on free birth control (not from a moral stand point).

                    [–]gk128New Donk City?![S] 153 ポイント154 ポイント  (25子コメント)

                    Saying " I don't support X is fine.

                    Saying "I don't support X and fuck all those poor dirty <race> who are sucking my tax dollars" is less fine.

                    [–]standaafghan 29 ポイント30 ポイント  (64子コメント)

                    Exactly, those are social policies. The right believes in a kind of "every man for himself," ideology, and also has a strong moral / religious foundation. Abortion is not a matter of a woman's freedom, and ability to choose what to do with her body. The right is not necessarily against women's bodily integrity. Their anti-abortion stance is based in the moral / religious argument that they are taking the life of human that has a soul / spirit.

                    The alt-right is race politics. American is facing its current woes because we've let in too many immigrants. Immigrants that are diluting the bloodline of the superior white race. People of European ancestry are the true proprietors of the United States, and people of other ethnic backgrounds (even if they are born here) are just visitors who need to stay out of our way and stop sucking up the white man's resources. We don't want to kill all the "others." We just want to send them back to "where they came from," or place them in a status of secondary citizenship.

                    Right-wing politics is a legitimate theory of governance that comes up with solutions to issues that society faces (I think they're wrong, but they're honest in their beliefs).

                    Alt-right politics is just white supremacy masquerading as an actual political movement. They know that nobody will take them seriously if they call themselves neo-nazis, so they re-branded, traded in the jean shorts and leather jackets for suits and the shaved heads for stylish haircuts.

                    If someone is calling you alt-right because you have beliefs that fall on the right side of the political spectrum they are either a)Parroting a word that they don't understand, or b)Trying to control the argument by calling you a racist/fascist.

                    [–]cerialthriller 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (62子コメント)

                    i mean i dont believe in open borders and think we shouldnt be taking in tons of refugees, but that isnt to do with race, i think we need to take care of americans first, of all races. I also don't really think muslim ideals and ways of life are really all that compatible with the western way of life, if they want to come here to be an american and live like we do and escape that kind of life its fine, but i dont think we should be changing our way of life to make them feel more comfortable living like they would over there.

                    [–]standaafghan 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (39子コメント)

                    I'm not the arbiter of political slant or anything, but your stance on immigration sounds like what I would consider vanilla republican with a sprinkling of nationalism.

                    I disagree with you, but I don't think you hate brown people. :)

                    [–]cerialthriller 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (37子コメント)

                    i just dont see why we would take in people from outside the US and give them money and support, meanwhile we have thousands and thousands of people here that are homeless and sick that are just being told basically to deal with it. and then they get to watch some other family get shipped into a house and given money and support getting jobs and all that.

                    [–]standaafghan 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (11子コメント)

                    I'm confident that if we made them a priority, the USA could solve both problems.

                    [–]cerialthriller 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (10子コメント)

                    i mean why dont we though? The Right is concerned with not helping outsiders and the Left is more concerned with helping outsiders than those of us at home and throw around terms like xenophobia and nationism as an excuse to not help our homeless

                    [–]PracticingMyDadJokes 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (7子コメント)

                    That's not true. I'm a far (far, far...far) lefty. And I believe that the US can take care of it's own poverty issue very easily by addressing education standards, minimum wage and encouraging companies to invest in socially and economically depressed areas (like west Philly, Chester and Camden).

                    That said, I believe that we are human beings before we are Americans, and that we should all be doing what we can within our means to help people in need, no matter where they were born.

                    [–]aa93 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Preface: this is simply my impression of the Right based on what's actually said and done by right wing legislators. Not making any judgment of the average voter.

                    The Right is concerned with not helping outsiders

                    I'd counter that the actual policy of the right is more concerned with short-term personal enrichment for the wealthy by means of not helping anyone and privatizing everything

                    and the Left is more concerned with helping outsiders than those of us at home

                    The Left spent 8 years attempting to pass legislation to help while the Right just obstructed and passed state-level legislation written by ALEC which benefits nobody.

                    and throw around terms like xenophobia and nationism as an excuse to not help our homeless

                    The Right blocked Bernie Sanders' VA bill. They shout "big government", "pork", "handouts" and "welfare queen" as an excuse to not pass real laws that would help Americans. They deliberately make government shittier in order to further their narrative that government is shitty.

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                      [–]cerebralscrub44 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (8子コメント)

                      My fucking god. You know, I would a be a lot more receptive of the "take care of our homeless and sick before caring for immigrants or refugees" bullshit, even though it does engender bullshit nationalism and xenophobia, if conservatives who keep saying it actually gave a single solitary fuck about the poor or homeless by supporting policies that functionally address poverty and homelessness.

                      [–]cerialthriller 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      i dont consider myself a conservative, but not a progressive either, and i support ACA and other things to help our poor and sick so I'm not sure why its bullshit that I wish we would spend more fixing our own citizens problems. And what is wrong with wishing your country would fix it own problems?

                      [–]johnwayne420 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (6子コメント)

                      You don't believe in pragmatism? You don't believe that it could be possible that something is a higher priority? 19 trillion dollars in debt the nation is. Soon the payment schedule will be the third highest expense. Maybe you still see social programs as more important than fiscal responsibility but I, and many conservatives, simply don't. Furthermore, if we are to add new social programs surely they should benefit citizens and not foreign nationals. If you can find a lack of ethical integrity in my stance, please share.

                      [–]cerebralscrub44 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                      There is no higher priority than justice for the oppressed, no. The American incarceration-industrial complex is unconscionable. Widespread poverty and homelessness in America is unconscionable when we have an economic system that allows people who do nothing to get fabulously rich. The war on drugs, discriminatory housing policies, and the disgusting way we treat our mentally and physically sick is absolutely indefensible. I could go on but you care more about your pocketbook than your fellow citizens so I won't.

                      [–]aa93 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                      Debt is cheap-- ask Trump.

                      As long as you don't go fucking with the full faith and credit of the USA <cough> interest rates are a fraction of the returns you can get on investing that debt. When you're the wealthiest, most productive nation on earth and the global superpower, it's absolutely braindead not to leverage debt.

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                        [–]PhilliesJawnDrexel 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        This is how political disagreement should be. No the other side isn't racist. And no the other side isnt a bunch of open-border hippies. Most people are in the middle and even if they're not, they have reasoning behind their position. Can't say the same for the alt-right.

                        If a Muslim wants to migrate to the United States I Encourage it, as long as they respect our laws and government and the rights of others. They can bring their culture with them, but they need to realize that no matter where they came from, they need to follow our laws. Women have rights in our country that they may not have in Muslim countries (think Saudi Arabia), not everyone is Muslim and not everyone has to be, and we don't cut hands off for stealing. Now I know not all muslims agree with the things I just listed, maybe even most don't, but there are some that do, and sharia law won't be tolerated in the US.

                        [–]stphilistine 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (5子コメント)

                        i think we need to take care of americans first, of all races

                        you are absolutely right, but a little misguided about how things actually work. you are presenting this as the type of dilemma where for every 1 refugee we take in, that's 1 homeless person that stays homelesss/hungry. in reality there are many things that displace both in terms of where we spend money.

                        changing our way of life

                        I see this right-wing talking point a lot and don't really understand it. Maybe because I Philly (or at least my neighborhood) doesn't have a whole lot of Muslim people. But I've never felt like my way of life has been threatened by the presence of Muslims, and haven't really seen any evidence for that in this country.

                        [–]cerialthriller 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                        No it's not a one for one thing but we aren't doing much to improve our own schools, workers and overall conditions for lower classes but we are attempting to do the same for people who aren't here paying taxes, mean while people are being taxed because they want to drink a soda or almond milk.

                        As for changing our way of life, we've been seeing this in Europe where the majority of refugees are going to with things like schools being sued for making refugees take classes with males and having coed swimming and such. Another good example is with a few towns in the Toms River area being bought up by Hasidic Jewish families to the degree that they've gotten full governments of Hasidic Jewish people and have started segregating public schools again between male and female and non Jews are threatened out of their houses. I do t think any extremist or hardline religious people fit in here and I feel that religious people who are moderate it the Mid East are probably very hardline to us.

                        [–]Jawn_ValjortsThe shad is my spirit animal 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        The programs to help the homeless and poor are completely separate from those that bring in immigrants and refugees. Even refugees usually need to have some basic level of skill before they're given entry into the country. They aren't taking jobs or food away from Americans.

                        As to the issue of the homeless, that falls into a few groups, the most prominent being the mentally ill, which we can thank Regan for shutting down most of our mental health infrastructure.

                        [–]BrightGreenLEDWelcome to DE... 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (15子コメント)

                        Realistically, all extreme religious views are against the western way of life. That's one of the big reasons for the separation of Church and state. So if you are going to claim that Islamic ideals don't work in america, you should say the same about Christian ideals or Jewish ideals or any other religious ideals.

                        [–]cerialthriller 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (14子コメント)

                        I completely agree. I just think Middle East moderate is not moderate here.

                        [–]BrightGreenLEDWelcome to DE... 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (13子コメント)

                        Have you ever encountered Middle East moderate? Also, you do realize that the majority of practicing Muslims aren't even from the Middle East? The people you hear about on the news and such have been and probably always will be the extremists and the ultra conservatives. Maybe you should actually encounter some moderate Muslims before passing judgement since it sounds like you haven't seen any outside of your tv screen.

                        [–]UncleTogie 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        also has a strong moral / religious foundation.

                        They claim to be Christian, and then ignore everything that Christ suggested they do. I'd suggest that it's all show, and no action when it comes to their morals.

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                          [–]c0ld-- 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (21子コメント)

                          Some on the left

                          For me, it seems like the "Alt-right" label is the most popular Liberal/Leftist launchpad for a rebuttal to a conservative argument.

                          "I don't want my tax dollars paying for birth control."

                          "Of course you wouldn't, Alt-Right Nazi troll!"

                          Like, I get that some people come into discussions to rile people up by using inappropriate language or false/misleading information, but the hyper-labeling of opposing views seems to have overruled any discourse for civil discussions. It's the bane of the current popularity of identity politics.

                          [–]joshTheGoods 27 ポイント28 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                          You're doing exactly what you're complaining about: being dismissive based solely on a label. Alt-right is clear and distinct from conservative, and there's plenty of good legitimate discussion of that above.

                          On the flip side of this... there's a good reason why some people will mistake alt-right for "conservative" ... and that's because the alt-right is essentially a subset of the conservative side of the political house. It is what it is, and guilt by association is a thing.

                          [–]stphilistine 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          I think a lot of the problem I see (and I read a decent amount of legitimate conservative media) is that there isn't a lot of momentum to distance conservatism from the alt right. It's hard to ignore how the alt right became a dominant voice of political discourse during Trump's ascent, and a stark lack of republicans denouncing it.

                          I see where your coming from, that hyper-labelling tends to have the effect of silencing discussion on both sides. Calling someone alt-right for espousing vanilla conservative views like "I don't want tax dollars to pay for birth control" is wrong. Calling someone alt-right for espousing white supremacist views like a commitment to "Make America White Again"(actual post at the top of /r/altright rn) is a-ok.

                          Because at the end of the day the only time you should be worried about mislabeling a nazi is when you're toe-tagging their body.

                          [–]standaafghan 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (12子コメント)

                          alt-right / nazi is used by those on the left to control the discourse. libtard / marxist is used by those on the right to control discourse.

                          It's really troubling because social marxism and fascism are dangerous, but jerks who can't be bothered to support their arguments with facts keep watering them down.

                          The idea that people would be compelled to use particular pronouns is a terrifying overreach of government. The idea that gender disphoria is a thing, and a person with a penis could identify as a female is not terrifying.

                          The idea that the government would keep a registry of a specific religious group is a terrifying overreach. The idea that the government would want to vet, very carefully, people entering the country from a warzone is not terrifying.

                          The false equivalency of moderate ideas with extreme ones is a problem. I don't have a solution, just complaining.

                          [–]Alexnader- 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (10子コメント)

                          r/altright would disagree with you. Seriously that sub is full of self described neo-nazis. Check their top posts, 'upvoats for our boys in black' , has a picture of the wehrmacht.

                          Altright is not a label used by the left to control discourse (or at least not totally), it's a real movement that seeks to subvert right wing politics and bring about a new rise of fascism. They actually discuss how to do this regularly.

                          Luckily tho they're mostly just sad wehraboos with superiority complexes and no real power.

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                              [–]eric22vhs 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (12子コメント)

                              What if the second statement is followed by an explanation of the link between crime and poverty, and the struggle of minority communities to break out of poverty after a long history of oppression? Because then it sounds more like regular history class stuff..

                              It still sounds to me like you guys aren't mature enough to have discussions on this stuff, so you're just writing off everything as white nationalism or whatever and trying to censor.

                              [–]standaafghan 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                              What if the second statement is followed by an explanation of the link between crime and poverty...

                              I think that statement would be contradictory to the one calling them animals and placing the blame squarely on them. That's the specific reason I put it in there.

                              If I replaced the second part of the second statement with your statement that would be history class stuff.

                              Tying crime to race rather than poverty is the white nationalism.

                              Did you read my comment, or even your own?

                              [–]eric22vhs 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                              I read it, and had a relevant and important response, which you addressed... Clearly I read it, stop being a little baby.

                              [–]oscarasimov 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              It still sounds to me like you guys aren't mature enough to have discussions on this stuff, so you're just writing off everything as white nationalism or whatever and trying to censor.

                              exactly. Looks like we'll both be banned shortly :/

                              edit: that train is never fucking late

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                                  [–]retardobarnes 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  A telltale sign of the altright is euphemisms like "race realist" where someone claims to have no inherent hatred for a particular race (that's "real" racism like they had in the 50s South). No, the race realist is just stating facts about crime statistics, such as higher rates of _____ among blacks, and if these numbers offend you maybe it's time you became more race realistic like him! You see, the alt-right has been, since his comfortable middle class birth, subjugated by the ruling orthodoxy of POLITICAL CORRECTNESS, forced upon him in school, by Sesame Street, etc. At some point he woke up (perhaps took a pill of a certain color?) and realized that because the greater cultural zeitgeist championed inclusiveness and tolerance, yet there was still crime committed by the non-white, it must all have been a sham. Now he conquers the fear and inadequacy in his own life by feeling free to preach against all that diversity and historical context.

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                                    [–]Maxsablosky 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                    A big Philadelphia fuck your to the alt-right!

                                    [–]starstar420 46 ポイント47 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                    Thanks!

                                    [–]oh_botherPaoli for now 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                    Jumping on the thank you train.

                                    [–]lauradeebus 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                    fuck it. thanks from me too

                                    [–]TripleSkeetSouth Philly 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                    So...we cant be mean anymore? Are we still allowed to send newbies to Woodys?

                                    [–]socksdrugsnrocknroll 38 ポイント39 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                    Good on you! Thanks.

                                    [–]Demopublican 48 ポイント49 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                    I banned a bunch of alt-right/neo-nazi assholes last night.

                                    Good

                                    [–]paradoxasauruser 49 ポイント50 ポイント  (9子コメント)

                                    THANK YOU! reddit has become a haven for these users, and they've made it clear that not only are their views inhumane and toxic, they're also not even coated in a veneer of intellectual thought (of course not; Nazism is not renowned for making actual sense), they just regurgitate memes and bullshit statistics, all while spreading their poison. I've gotten so drained from trying to explain this to sympathizers (folks who aren't Nazis but believe they should be permitted a platform) - no, they do not deserve a place to spout their nonsense, racist rhetoric. It is intrinsically aimed to expand to the physical realm and built around the dehumanization of innocent people, and the more we let it grow, the harder it will be to chop off its head when it inevitably reaches the point of "real world" (it already has in many places, such as Whitefish). I'm so frustrated that the admins don't do anything, as mods can't reliably deal with it, or don't want to, so I appreciate it that you do.

                                    Sorry, I get passionate about this. Not a fan of a platform given to people who want to curbstomp me for no reason.

                                    [–]eagleapexPassyunk Square 43 ポイント44 ポイント  (26子コメント)

                                    We are anti-fascist

                                    [–]JollRoints 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                    Thanks!

                                    [–]PhillypedeDonald J. Trump is your President 62 ポイント63 ポイント  (34子コメント)

                                    This is not about differing political opinions.

                                    I sure hope not!

                                    [–]gk128New Donk City?![S] 118 ポイント119 ポイント  (18子コメント)

                                    You're not an asshole... well you are, but you're not a nazi asshole.

                                    [–]HobbyPlodder 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (15子コメント)

                                    So are actual personal attacks something that mods are going to take action against now?

                                    It seems like there's a lot of shit slinging that is allowed in this sub without any repercussions. I know you have banned people in the past for making unsavory and unacceptable comments towards you, but is there any argument to made about similar 'toxic' language made against others?

                                    [–]gk128New Donk City?![S] 50 ポイント51 ポイント  (12子コメント)

                                    Report it. People have been banned for it in the past.

                                    Shit like "Kill Yourself" and "Drink Bleach" has been given 7 day bans for 1st offenses before.

                                    [–]capnjack78 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (10子コメント)

                                    But you guys have also selectively ignored those reports of personal attacks in the past, for your own amusement. And you let the attacks continue for months until they temporarily quit reddit, only to come back again.

                                    [–]gk128New Donk City?![S] 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (9子コメント)

                                    I'm not going to say we are perfect, and we have sure fucked up. However if something was brought to our attention I'm pretty sure we've said something or did something about it. If not we dun fucked up and that is something we hopefully don't have happen in the future.

                                    [–]capnjack78 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                    It'd be nice if you guys could be consistent before that person gets out of hand again. I haven't recently seen them attack people like before, but I purposely avoid them because I expect it will happen.

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                                      [–]HobbyPlodder 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      Alright, will do!

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                                        [–]Imightbeflirting 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        Thanks for not banning me, either. I post- sometimes downvoted, sometimes upvoted, but I'm sure as shit not a nazi.

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                                          [–]flamehead2k1Fairmount 30 ポイント31 ポイント  (12子コメント)

                                          Well you haven't been banned yet so they aren't going for all trump supporters

                                          [–]Simon_the_CannibalOld Kenzo 75 ポイント76 ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                          Yeah, there's a difference between "I support Trump" and "yes, faggot niggers taking over the sub is clearly the better choice", the latter being a pleasant note the mods just got.

                                          [–]KFCConspiracyStrawberry Mansion Development Committee Member 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                          Neither is that twat /u/mutantturkey

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                                            [–]Brioux[🍰] 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            Glad to see its getting rid of the extremists but still allowing differing political opinions.

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                                              [–]TectonicWaferManayunk & Narberth 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                              Who wants to go Nazi hunting this Friday? My usual weekend plans fell through.

                                              [–]5miteyMcSmitey 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                              I have a shaved head, but that's to protest the receding hairline. Can you guarantee no friendly fire?

                                              [–]Jawn_ValjortsThe shad is my spirit animal 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                              I guess we'll be able to see who it was based on who comments in this thread.

                                              [–]annoyinconquerer/r/philadelphia is filled with closet racists 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                              Cool with me.

                                              [–]dampierpSouth Philly 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                              lol that flair tho

                                              [–]annoyinconquerer/r/philadelphia is filled with closet racists 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                              Pretty representative of the population of Philly as well

                                              [–]flybypost 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                              I came from /r/all, you are doing the right thing here. I recently found these tweets that explain well why one shouldn't be tolerant of intolerance (and about punching Nazis):

                                              https://twitter.com/meakoopa/status/823319604386791424

                                              Intolerance cannot be tolerated, bc this corrosive effect means the law can be co-opted by, and so protective of, fascism.

                                              Fascism wriggles into democracies by insisting on right to be heard, achieves critical mass, then dissolves the organs that installed it.

                                              [–]SpontaneousLightBulb 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                              Thanks for doing this, I had been hoping for this for some months now.

                                              [–]Jawn_ValjortsThe shad is my spirit animal 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                              Is nobody going to point out that OP used the possessive instead of the plural of "nazi"?

                                              [–]gibberingfoolCenter City East 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                              Finally! Thank you.

                                              [–]Phillip_Pirrip 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                              Thanks! I mostly lurk here, but I've seen the uptick in shitty comments and appreciate the move to curb it.

                                              [–]Rsubs33Point Breezy 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                              /u/gk128 you da man. Have an upvote.

                                              [–]rzorangerz 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                              Proud to live in Philly on this blessed day.

                                              [–]NoMeHableis 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                              Amen!!

                                              [–]ericvulgaris 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                              Even though i don't live in philly anymore, I still check by here to see what's good.

                                              Thanks for your hardwork, mods.

                                              [–]Happyfeet_I 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (22子コメント)

                                              So I'm not welcome if I support a certain politician? Not that r/the_Donald isn't' full of alt-right trolls, but not everyone that browses that subreddit fits that incredibly vague description. And to mention it at all tells me that this IS about differing political opinions. I just subscribed to show support for and to know more about what's going on in the city I live in, among a community I'm familiar with. But this sub has done nothing more then make me feel ostracized.

                                              [–]Ohnana_ 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (21子コメント)

                                              Nah, you can still support Trump. As long as you're not running around saying dumb bigoted shit, we don't really care. I'm a super duper mega lefty, and as long you meet that rule, you can support/vote for who you want as far as I am concerned.

                                              People like you are honestly my favorite kind of conservative, because you break the echo chamber without making me want to throttle you through the Internet :)

                                              [–]oscarasimov 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                              As long as you're not running around saying dumb bigoted shit

                                              Yea but this is the issue, a non trivial number of trump opponents think disagreeing with them is intrinsically bigoted and dumb.

                                              Like people get assaulted for wearing trump hats because "they must be a racist". It's fucking nonsense.

                                              edit: /u/Trexrunner , I'd love to respond to your comment but it looks like I was banned. Feel free to keep going on about how this isn't about party politics.

                                              edit 2: /u/Trexrunner , not banned huh? tell me, is it exhausting being you?

                                              [–]pbjandahighfive 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                              Wow, can't believe this dude was banned for this. They didn't say anything shitty or racist as far as I can tell. Fuck nazis, but damn bans like this make the mods look like the nazis.

                                              [–]Trexrunner 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                              yeah, you are right. That is not awesome.

                                              [–]Simon_the_CannibalOld Kenzo 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                              That is not awesome.

                                              Definitely disagree.

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                                                  [–]hpliferaft 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  Dude fucking FINALLY. Thanks for standing up for it.

                                                  [–]fjposter2 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                  I never really visit /r/Philadelphia, are there any examples of some of the alt right/neo nazi people being banned, what did they say?

                                                  [–]WissahickonKelpius 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  Thanks man. I actually brought this issue up yesterday and you said you were working on it. Nice to have this resolved.

                                                  [–]samuel33334 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                  Can you tell us what these "alt right talking points" are?

                                                  [–]erichiro 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  bye bye

                                                  [–]hollaburoo 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  Thanks so much!!!

                                                  I figured this subreddit was just permanently overrun by nazis and was ready to unsubscribe.

                                                  [–]attababyitsaboy 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  really appreciate it. well done.

                                                  [–]AnalJusticeStop Feeding Trolls 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  Thank fucking goodness!

                                                  [–]NotCobaltWolfUniversity City 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  slow clap

                                                  [–]iFartBubbles 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  Thank you is was getting out of hand

                                                  [–]TheFAPnetworkdo youse goys order eh temayteh poy? 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                  I wonder who it was.

                                                  I troll, but not in a racist way. Most times I have something to say. Never alt-right tho.

                                                  [–]hehateme429 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                  WTF is going on?

                                                  [–]Simon_the_CannibalOld Kenzo 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                  Trolls, trolls trolling trolls, and general dumb-assery.

                                                  [–]hiphopapotamus1 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                  Test comment

                                                  edit. Good. My honest opinion was mixed in with racists. Having a differing opinion doesn't make you a nazi

                                                  [–]beleca 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (72子コメント)

                                                  You start off by saying "trolling is fine, but we're not tolerating 'mean' trolling (whatever that means) anymore", but then you immediately go into, "I'll argue politics all day, but if you're alt-right, instead of arguing I'll just ban you." You can't set up the proposition "I'm pro-free speech, I'll just let arguments speak for themselves", and then immediately go "unless you have opinions I find objectionable, then I'll use censorship". None of your conclusions follow from your premises. It's literally like someone saying "Hey, I would let you park here, but you know what they say: 'don't touch the bacon when it's sleeping'".

                                                  This is the true authoritanism. Censorship without even the pretext of "just enforcing the rules". What people like you don't seem to realize is that with actions like these, you are driving more people towards the alt-right. Normal people look at this and go, "do I want to be on the side of the people who say what they really think and don't bow down to PC bullshit or anything else, or do I want to be on the side of the guy who wants to tell other people what they are and aren't allowed to say and think?" Censoring people you disagree with isn't just unamerican, but it shows weakness: it makes people think you couldn't win in a fair argument, so you cheat by silencing your opponent. Like I said, you're just pushing even more people into the alt-right because now they are the "anti-censorship, pro free speech" guys just by default, by comparison to you. Good job.

                                                  [–]eric22vhs 33 ポイント34 ポイント  (17子コメント)

                                                  Everything you wrote in bold hits the nail on the head. Personally, I'm liberal as hell, but I can't stand being on the side of people who aren't intellectually honest or want to silence their opponents. I know my ideas are strong because they hold up to criticism. I'm sure gk128 is a nice guy, or girl, in person, but I've seen their posts before, and they really don't seem mature enough to be modding a sub of this size, particularly a geographic sub that needs to be moderated for actual instances of harassment or racism or whatever, but ought to be left politically neutral.

                                                  If you want to mod a political echo chamber sub, that's all well and good, but don't try to turn /r/philadelphia into your political echo chamber.

                                                  [–]_Dimension 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                  I also agree with what you are saying.

                                                  If I say, women have issues that should be addressed. cool.

                                                  If I say, men have issues that should be addressed. bad?

                                                  am I suddenly an alt-right neo nazi supporter because I think men should have their unequal rights looked at as much as women's unequal rights looked at?

                                                  I voted for Hiliary, but I don't think people with opinions shouldn't be silenced.

                                                  Black on black crime in Chicago is a problem.

                                                  There are institutions that are inherently racist that might push black people into more crime.

                                                  I'm a liberal, but I am also a supporter of science based examination of facts no matter how inconvenient. I know there are a ton of left supporters who straw man the hell out of a lot of arguments.

                                                  I don't like the whole, "if you don't tow the entire democratic party line, we are going to throw you out" that seems to be happening nowadays.

                                                  I feel like the democratic party is letting me down because it is trying to silence issues I care about.

                                                  [–]samuel33334 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (13子コメント)

                                                  This sub pretty much sucks to be honest.

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                                                    [–]bestnottosayDickinson Square West 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (21子コメント)

                                                    you couldn't win in a fair argument, so you cheat by silencing your opponent

                                                    Implication: Trolls argue fairly.

                                                    do I want to be on the side of ..., or do I want to be on the side of

                                                    Literal false dichotomy.

                                                    Your assumption is that every single place for discussion must be accepting of all views at all times. This is false, and if it means more people with unacceptable views have to search for more extreme places until their views are acceptable, then so be it. /r/philadelphia has a focus: The city of Philadelphia. Those who can even marginally communicate about that subject, even with a heavy political slant, are welcome.

                                                    Now fuck off, brigader.

                                                    [–]Jawn_ValjortsThe shad is my spirit animal 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                    Is isn't an issue of the freeze peaches you t_d types love to talk about and then completely unite in your own sub. This is an issue of outright racism, treats, and brigading destroying a local sub reddit. If you want open political discussion go somewhere else, if you want to talk about Philly issues without resorting to dog whistles or slurs then hang out here.

                                                    [–]Simon_the_CannibalOld Kenzo 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (18子コメント)

                                                    Who the fuck are you? What "arguments" are you referring to in this subreddit? Do you support the death threats u/gk128 has received over the past weeks?

                                                    [–]foot_kisser 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                    death threats

                                                    Don't change the subject.

                                                    [–]Simon_the_CannibalOld Kenzo 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                    That was the original subject, until people like you came into the sub from... r/altright? Which sub are you brigading from?

                                                    [–]Simon_the_CannibalOld Kenzo[M] 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                    [USER WAS BANNED FOR ENDING A SENTENCE IN A PREPOSITION]

                                                    [–]foot_kisser 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                    Which sub are you brigading from?

                                                    It's not brigading when you find something in /r/all.

                                                    That was the original subject

                                                    I read the mod's post, and it did not mention death threats at all. Presumably if he made the post because you guys had a problem with death threats, he would have mentioned it at least once.

                                                    Instead there's a post about the alt-right, /r/The_Donald, and neo-nazis, all of which are rather different groups. And it says that holding alt-right views is a bannable offence. Just conflating the alt-right with /r/The_Donald or neo-nazis would show a lack of understanding of what the word "alt-right" means, but this mod did both at once.

                                                    The problem with that should be fairly obvious: a mod just declared that certain viewpoints are not allowed to be expressed, and it isn't even clear what viewpoints he's referring to.

                                                    Would someone saying "Make America Great Again!" get banned? Someone using the word "cuck"? Someone saying "centipedes are nimble navigators"? Posting a meme? Posting a pepe meme? Saying "give this man a coat"? Supporting nationalism? Supporting immigration laws, but not stopping immigration altogether? These are all /r/The_Donald things, and I can't tell if they are banned or not.

                                                    Supporting ethno-nationalism? Supporting a complete halt to both legal and illegal immigration? Being worried that white people will no longer be the majority in America if certain demographic trends continue? Saying that the various races are different, but different races are not necessarily inferior or superior? These are actual alt-right things.

                                                    Or is it just about people using ethnic slurs? Supporting cross-burnings?

                                                    Who knows what this mod is trying to say, but whatever it is, it pretty clearly doesn't have anything to do with death threats.

                                                    [–]Simon_the_CannibalOld Kenzo 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                    My apologies. You make some great points about censorship and concerns anyone might have about being silenced in a public forum.

                                                    1. Why the fuck do you care? You've never visited /r/philadelphia before and you're probably not going to again.
                                                    2. Why the fuck should I care about what you're saying, seeing as this is a community for people in Philadelphia and you're obviously not one of those?
                                                    3. You didn't post tits.

                                                    [–]beleca 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                    "I will argue all day, but as soon as you start linking or talking in alt-right talking points you can fuck right off. It is not a legitimate stance. Period. We are not going to let alt-right/neo-nazi fucks take over this sub, and I wish Reddit admins would start banning their toxic subs."

                                                    Is what I was referring to. You keep changing the subject, even in your post. There are 3 different issues here: 1) trolling, 2) "hate speech" & 3) death threats. If you wanna ban people for trolling, whatever. But you said that you'll ban people just for expressing opinions that someone (ie you) deemed to be alt-right; this is censorship. Even if you keep calling it "hate speech", it's censorship. And when you ban (i.e. censor) people for their ideas instead of the way those ideas are expressed, eg through trolling or rule-breaking, then you are arbitrarily censoring people which makes you the bad guy to a lot of people. If you said "this isn't a political sub, so we'll ban you for discussing politics", that'd be one thing, but you're saying political discussions are ok as long as your ideas fall within the range of what I consider acceptable. Most people on reddit do not like this kind of autocratic censorship, and as I said before, you're going to drive people towards the alt-right and away from this sub.

                                                    As for people receiving death threats, that's against site rules and it's illegal. You should report them to reddit and the police and ban them if you want. But thats a totally separate issue from the issues of censorship and trolling. It doesn't make sense to pretend that one caused the other.

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                                                      [–]udajit 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                      can I smoke what you have? because jesus christ, it must be dank as fuck if you genuinely think, "well, I really didn't think blacks were sub-human, but now that they shut that guy up who was going on about whether or not those apes ought to be even preserved in civilized society, but now, golly, I bet he really must have had a kernel of truth in there!" is the kind of response people will have.

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                                                        [–]desaf 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (12子コメント)

                                                        Pretty much anyone that's conservative is now called alt-right. It you oppose any type of liberal viewpoint you're alt-right now.

                                                        [–]EvilShayton 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                        I understand where you are coming from, nobody likes being grouped with the bad kids, but if you are a normal republican that wants small gov't, lower taxes and think abortions are bad, you guys are proud conservative Americans whom I respectfully disagree with and will happily have a civil political dialogue over a fine Philadelphian brewed beer. If you advocate racial purety, sexual assault and murdering the poor then you aint American brother, and we got ourselves a problemo.

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                                                          [–]iced327 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                          I support you. This is no a place for that shit. The only thing the alt-right is good for is punching bags #richardspencer

                                                          [–]Darth_Deckard 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                          Good work! Fuck those fucking dbaggers!

                                                          [–]cafe_frankenstein 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                          THANK YOU. About time.

                                                          [–]TrickOrTreater 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                          Don't live in Philadelphia, never been to this sub, but well done just the same.

                                                          [–]udajit 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                          Yo man, if philly punk scene literally clubs neo-nazi skinheads, why would we tolerate them on this subreddit? fuck 'em.

                                                          [–]Moruitelda 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                          You've hit /r/all. Fucking amen. Respect.

                                                          [–]Thecrawsome 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                          Yeah, it really made this sub bad for a couple months. Good move.

                                                          Most of these people can't properly add to a conversation, can't handle criticism, speak only in criticism, and spout generalities and are nationalistic rhetoric, and they're just angry at everything that isn't their confirmation bias.

                                                          It's almost like they look up a logical fallacy chart and started checking stuff off in every reply they make.

                                                          [–]evil_INDEEDGrad Hospital 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (14子コメント)

                                                          This sub is a liberal echo chamber, and as a libertarian I fear getting banned for "saying the wrong thing." If I say I support Trump and am against the sugary drinks tax am I considered an alt-right fascist? The line needs to be clearly drawn so that well thought out, dissenting opinions are not censored.

                                                          [–]TheZabadabadoo 39 ポイント40 ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                          I think the general thoughts are: dont be racist and don't be an asshole.

                                                          [–]Shit___Taco 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                          Then why not just say, I am banning people who are racist. Why even bring r/the_don into this.

                                                          [–]KFCConspiracyStrawberry Mansion Development Committee Member 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                          Because 99% of the shit comes with Donald meme or douchebags with pede in their name.

                                                          [–]evil_INDEEDGrad Hospital 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                          Sure, but to a great many people simply supporting Trump brands you a racist asshole, and nothing you say matters because you're the said racist asshole.

                                                          [–]Jawn_ValjortsThe shad is my spirit animal 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                          The people who were banned weren't banned for supporting Trump, /u/phillypede is still here, they were banned for overt racism.

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                                                              [–]grrrando 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                              🙌🏻 it's not a legitimate stance is correct. spewing hate for the sake of spewing hate isn't a belief, it's a behavioral disorder.

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