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submitted by gk128New Donk City?![M] - announcement
So I banned a bunch of alt-right/neo-nazi assholes last night.
These fucks have been slowly taking over more and more of Reddit, and lately they've been more vocal here in /r/philadelphia.
I'm done with this bullshit. If you bring that in this sub you will be banned. I banned most of the people I thought were toxic. I did not ban some others. That does not mean they are safe, but they don't post /r/the_donald bullshit in every thread.
We have always been lax on trolling and would like to continue to be. Trolling can be funny or it can be mean. No more mean trolling.
This is not about differing political opinions. I will argue all day, but as soon as you start linking or talking in alt-right talking points you can fuck right off. It is not a legitimate stance. Period. We are not going to let alt-right/neo-nazi fucks take over this sub, and I wish Reddit admins would start banning their toxic subs.
Have a problem with any of this? You don't have to post here.
REMINDER: If you see something you think needs to be looked at by a mod REPORT IT. We will see things much faster that way.
UPDATE: Once again this is not about squashing opposing views. This is about the recent mean spirited trolling that has come from people with 'pede' in their username or some form of racist / political extremism. You have all seen it over the last month. If you are a normal poster you will be fine. If you start trolling every thread like some of these guys were you will join them.
UPDATE 2: I don't give a shit if you are alt-right or a neo-nazi, but you can do that shit elsewhere. The fact that so many think we should allow hate speech is pretty shocking. Take it elsewhere. We don't need it here.
EDIT: Thanks for the gold, but don't waste it on me, I still have like 4 years from buying Alien Blue.
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[–]Simon_the_CannibalOld Kenzo[M] [score hidden] - stickied comment (29 children)
Those of you complaining that u/gk128 is being a fascist monster should know that he's the nice one. I tend to ban people for Rule 9 and Rule 20.
Any replies that don't follow Rule 31 will be removed.
Also, I'm surprised I haven't been subjected to Rule 35 yet, given that I've yet to discover any Rule 34 for myself.
Hello r/all folks! We're a bunch of idiots. If you don't know about the death threats, you probably shouldn't comment. You're less likely to get banned if you include tits in your post.
[–]mountjo 730 points731 points732 points  (5 children)
Thank you.
[–]kevinbobevin 9 points10 points11 points  (0 children)
Ditto. It's sad because for a while I thought Philadelphians were just mean. And I'm originally from New York.
It was jarring, because I love this city and its people. But I've stopped engaging in this sub because it was so toxic. So seriously, thank you.
[–]belisaurius 95 points96 points97 points  (3 children)
GK gets a lot of shit, but I think our little community here is doing alright.
[–]Hi_friendz 30 points31 points32 points  (0 children)
community here is doing altright.
ftfy
[–]Bokonomy 13 points14 points15 points  (1 child)
I dunno why, they seem pretty reasonable...?
[–]belisaurius 12 points13 points14 points  (0 children)
GK is a vocal person. And so sometimes his personal beliefs are construed to be the beliefs and motivations of the moderation team. So, a vocal minority here are unable to move past his stridency and see that his actions as a moderator, rather than a community member, are entirely reasonable and taken for the health of the subreddit as a whole.
[–]8Drawgo flyers. 334 points335 points336 points  (59 children)
The real irony is the outspoken racists calling every sub they get banned from a "safe space" are going to have to scurry off to some dark echochamber once we give em the boot.
[–]dragoncockles 92 points93 points94 points  (0 children)
Yet they go and create a sub where civil disagreement is a bannable offense. I don't think you know what a safe space is guys
[–]ghost_of_deaf_ninjaBrewerytown 398 points399 points400 points  (109 children)
My man.
Agree 100% admins need to start cracking down on this bullshit. /r/The_Donald is where the /r/CoonTown folks retreated to with their throwaways once the sub was banned, and are only slightly more closeted with their racism. You can tell thanks to their strange fascination with cuckoldry, which really has nothing to do with politics and was a reoccurring theme in /r/CoonTown.
Edit: Phrasing and words
[–]PhilliesJawnDrexel 90 points91 points92 points  (4 children)
Thank you. I'm a conservative and I can't stand these clowns trolling every subreddit, not only annoying the shit out of people, but also giving non-asshole, and non-racist conservatives a bad name. I'm all for free speech but when it becomes harassment something needs to be done.
[–]35Fuckup 5 points6 points7 points  (1 child)
Yep, I thought Reddit was just overreacting (like they always do) so I went over to /altright, and as a Jewish conservative it makes me fucking sick what they think over there, it makes us look terrible like how extreme leftists make my liberal friends look bad
[–]PhilliesJawnDrexel 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
Yeah exactly. The alt right is just a tiny faction of the Republican Party that needs to be pushed far, far away. Most republicans I know either don't know what the alt-right is, or they discredit them completely.
[–]Liesmith 214 points215 points216 points  (0 children)
About damn time! Thanks!! Give'em an inch and they'll think they can start burning crosses.
[–]turbonegro81063 183 points184 points185 points  (25 children)
Stop calling them Alt Right. They are scumbag, degenerate, low class Neo-FUCKING-Nazis
[–]RevTom 35 points36 points37 points  (0 children)
I liked what Aziz Ansari called them on SNL. the lowercase kkk
[–]Guardian_4521 hour away 64 points65 points66 points  (18 children)
BASH
[–]Silentwes1/3 Mayfair 2/3 San Diego 61 points62 points63 points  (17 children)
THE
[–]arrotz 67 points68 points69 points  (15 children)
FASH
[–]GhstfceIvyland 8 points9 points10 points  (0 children)
POW! Right in the jugular
[–]Garyhood 7 points8 points9 points  (0 children)
Hard rights for the alt right
[–]EvilShayton 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
Sweet fucking Christmas, I swear to the Liberty Bell, the Declaration of Independence, The Constitution of these United States and Ben Muthafuckin Franklin when i see this gif, I get a rush of satisfaction that the finest pornography has never given me. Bash the Fash.
[–]Hanchan 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
The only problem with that gif is the lack of a knife. Only good nazi is one dead in a shallow ditch.
[–]saintofhate 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
Gods I could watch that all day. So far my favorite is this set to "Hollaback girl"
[–]Airway 35 points36 points37 points  (1 child)
Keep calling them Alt-Right, so T_D knows they're in bed with /r/altright, the sub for literal nazis.
[–]thescarwar 19 points20 points21 points  (0 children)
Holy shit what a cesspool in there
[–]Ohnana_ 13 points14 points15 points  (1 child)
Neo-neo-nazis. The old neo nazis had an image problem. These guys don't.
[–]Mouthtuom 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
All they have to do is put on a sports coat and the salute looks less threatening.
[–]the_hoagie 91 points92 points93 points  (2 children)
Nice.
[–]jdb12 16 points17 points18 points  (1 child)
Good thing you're not a troll. I'm not sure how this sub would react to banning "the_hoagie".
[–]gimpwiz 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
Where's that meme of two buttons and a guy struggling to choose?
[–]PatrickSprayze"Sugar babies" 53 points54 points55 points  (18 children)
I'd like to point out little baby Brolonoius deleted and reactivated his account in less than 24 hours. Even Redwoodser had more willpower.
[–]Bokonomy 9 points10 points11 points  (2 children)
Has redwoodser been more reasonable lately or something? Because I think the are bigger problems on here than him.
[–]TheFAPnetworkdo youse goys order eh temayteh poy? 5 points6 points7 points  (1 child)
He banned himself from this sub. You can try linking him but that doesn't work most times
[–]7744666west philly troll crew 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
He came back though, posting in this very thread.
[–]tenta_shark_man 13 points14 points15 points  (12 children)

Ban Brolonious.

[–]TheFAPnetworkdo youse goys order eh temayteh poy? 9 points10 points11 points  (11 children)
Tbf they're okay. Phillypede came into question tho. Then again I haven't seen racist stuff from them either
[–]ikenjake#HINKIE 36 points37 points38 points  (5 children)
Phillypede doesn't seem like a nazi, just a south Philly style conservative, which in this case means loud and obnoxious.
[–]SluggedPoint Breeze 12 points13 points14 points  (4 children)
He's a center city elitist conservative, just like /u/green_go5
edited by request
[–]MelissajoanshartPoint Breeze 46 points47 points48 points  (0 children)
👏👏
[–]RetroRN 103 points104 points105 points  (9 children)
Sounds great to me! They can always create another Philly subreddit if they wish to
[–]KFCConspiracyStrawberry Mansion Development Committee Member 107 points108 points109 points  (8 children)
What would they call it, /r/philadelphianazis
[–]belisaurius 119 points120 points121 points  (3 children)
Maybe something along the lines of /r/WitWhites.
[–]PhilliesJawnDrexel 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
Not that I agree with the idea of white supremacy, but props on the name lol
[–]KFCConspiracyStrawberry Mansion Development Committee Member 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
[–]Bokonomy 9 points10 points11 points  (0 children)
Phobiadelphia?
[–]tjw105 105 points106 points107 points  (2 children)
They weren't trolling they were just passionately elaborating on alternative facts. /s
It's saying something when an entire political movement (albeit a minority) has to differentiate themselves from neo-nazi's.
[–]LazarusFaustus 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
They're not actually different groups though. They're literal neo-Nazis who have decided to rebrand to make themselves more alluring to a new generation of insecure and ignorant young people trying to find their place in the world, and making themselves new and more palatable to the media and everyone else who is viscerally opposed to neo-Nazis.
It's a more "politically correct" term, if you will, for Nazis.
[–]cerialthriller 70 points71 points72 points  (124 children)
whats an alt-right talking point? I dont really follow and of the the donald stuff since i have it filtered and honestly ive kind of always just thought all of this "alt-right" talk people on the left just categorizing things they didnt like hearing as "alt-right nazis" because pretty much any post on politics will have people claiming anything from racial genocide to not having free birthcontrol as "alt-right"
[–]standaafghan 159 points160 points161 points  (121 children)
alt-right = white nationalism.
Some on the left started calling right-wing policies "alt-right," policies. Like calling a Republican a nazi in previous years.
Like: "People on food stamps are just suckling on the teat of hardworking Americans." Is kinda dickish, but not inherently racist.
As opposed to: "Do you think it's a coincidence that the parts of cities that are full of minorities are also full of crime? I mean, these people are animals that need to get with American culture."
See, the first one is just Ayn Rand nonsense, the actual alt-right stuff is Adolf Hitler nonsense.
[–]dustlesswalnut 6 points7 points8 points  (2 children)
"Alt-right" was coined by Richard Spencer, one of the intellectual leaders of the group, it wasn't coined as a pejorative by the left.
[–]standaafghan 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)
I didn't mean to say that it was invented by the left as a pejorative term, but I can see how you got that from my comment.
What I meant was that being called alt-right in 2017 is like being called a Nazi previously.
[–]deadly_inhale 4 points5 points6 points  (2 children)
My big concern is the question "is alt-right a term that could be used to describe non white-nationalism"
Could it just be a political stance apart from racist policies. And if so isn't this just a backdoor way to ban an ideology certain people dislike.
[–]cerialthriller 23 points24 points25 points  (82 children)
so say if someone were opposed to ACA, im not personally, but if you said nobody should have Affordable healthcare you wouldnt be alt right, but if you said only white people should have affordable healthcare then it is alt-right? What about if you dont believe women should be allowed to get free birth control or be allowed to have abortions, ive seen that called alt right a lot but there is no race involved. For the record im pro-choice and conflicted on free birth control (not from a moral stand point).
[–]gk128New Donk City?![S] 136 points137 points138 points  (23 children)
Saying " I don't support X is fine.
Saying "I don't support X and fuck all those poor dirty <race> who are sucking my tax dollars" is less fine.
[–]standaafghan 24 points25 points26 points  (56 children)
Exactly, those are social policies. The right believes in a kind of "every man for himself," ideology, and also has a strong moral / religious foundation. Abortion is not a matter of a woman's freedom, and ability to choose what to do with her body. The right is not necessarily against women's bodily integrity. Their anti-abortion stance is based in the moral / religious argument that they are taking the life of human that has a soul / spirit.
The alt-right is race politics. American is facing its current woes because we've let in too many immigrants. Immigrants that are diluting the bloodline of the superior white race. People of European ancestry are the true proprietors of the United States, and people of other ethnic backgrounds (even if they are born here) are just visitors who need to stay out of our way and stop sucking up the white man's resources. We don't want to kill all the "others." We just want to send them back to "where they came from," or place them in a status of secondary citizenship.
Right-wing politics is a legitimate theory of governance that comes up with solutions to issues that society faces (I think they're wrong, but they're honest in their beliefs).
Alt-right politics is just white supremacy masquerading as an actual political movement. They know that nobody will take them seriously if they call themselves neo-nazis, so they re-branded, traded in the jean shorts and leather jackets for suits and the shaved heads for stylish haircuts.
If someone is calling you alt-right because you have beliefs that fall on the right side of the political spectrum they are either a)Parroting a word that they don't understand, or b)Trying to control the argument by calling you a racist/fascist.
[–]cerialthriller 22 points23 points24 points  (54 children)
i mean i dont believe in open borders and think we shouldnt be taking in tons of refugees, but that isnt to do with race, i think we need to take care of americans first, of all races. I also don't really think muslim ideals and ways of life are really all that compatible with the western way of life, if they want to come here to be an american and live like we do and escape that kind of life its fine, but i dont think we should be changing our way of life to make them feel more comfortable living like they would over there.
[–]standaafghan 22 points23 points24 points  (36 children)
I'm not the arbiter of political slant or anything, but your stance on immigration sounds like what I would consider vanilla republican with a sprinkling of nationalism.
I disagree with you, but I don't think you hate brown people. :)
[–]cerialthriller 16 points17 points18 points  (34 children)
i just dont see why we would take in people from outside the US and give them money and support, meanwhile we have thousands and thousands of people here that are homeless and sick that are just being told basically to deal with it. and then they get to watch some other family get shipped into a house and given money and support getting jobs and all that.
[–]standaafghan 8 points9 points10 points  (10 children)
I'm confident that if we made them a priority, the USA could solve both problems.
[–]cerialthriller 2 points3 points4 points  (9 children)
i mean why dont we though? The Right is concerned with not helping outsiders and the Left is more concerned with helping outsiders than those of us at home and throw around terms like xenophobia and nationism as an excuse to not help our homeless
[–]PracticingMyDadJokes 6 points7 points8 points  (6 children)
That's not true. I'm a far (far, far...far) lefty. And I believe that the US can take care of it's own poverty issue very easily by addressing education standards, minimum wage and encouraging companies to invest in socially and economically depressed areas (like west Philly, Chester and Camden).
That said, I believe that we are human beings before we are Americans, and that we should all be doing what we can within our means to help people in need, no matter where they were born.
[–]aa93 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
Preface: this is simply my impression of the Right based on what's actually said and done by right wing legislators. Not making any judgment of the average voter.
The Right is concerned with not helping outsiders
I'd counter that the actual policy of the right is more concerned with short-term personal enrichment for the wealthy by means of not helping anyone and privatizing everything
and the Left is more concerned with helping outsiders than those of us at home
The Left spent 8 years attempting to pass legislation to help while the Right just obstructed and passed state-level legislation written by ALEC which benefits nobody.
and throw around terms like xenophobia and nationism as an excuse to not help our homeless
The Right blocked Bernie Sanders' VA bill. They shout "big government", "pork", "handouts" and "welfare queen" as an excuse to not pass real laws that would help Americans. They deliberately make government shittier in order to further their narrative that government is shitty.
[–]cerebralscrub44 6 points7 points8 points  (8 children)
My fucking god. You know, I would a be a lot more receptive of the "take care of our homeless and sick before caring for immigrants or refugees" bullshit, even though it does engender bullshit nationalism and xenophobia, if conservatives who keep saying it actually gave a single solitary fuck about the poor or homeless by supporting policies that functionally address poverty and homelessness.
[–]cerialthriller 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
i dont consider myself a conservative, but not a progressive either, and i support ACA and other things to help our poor and sick so I'm not sure why its bullshit that I wish we would spend more fixing our own citizens problems. And what is wrong with wishing your country would fix it own problems?
[–]johnwayne420 7 points8 points9 points  (6 children)
You don't believe in pragmatism? You don't believe that it could be possible that something is a higher priority? 19 trillion dollars in debt the nation is. Soon the payment schedule will be the third highest expense. Maybe you still see social programs as more important than fiscal responsibility but I, and many conservatives, simply don't. Furthermore, if we are to add new social programs surely they should benefit citizens and not foreign nationals. If you can find a lack of ethical integrity in my stance, please share.
[–]cerebralscrub44 3 points4 points5 points  (3 children)
There is no higher priority than justice for the oppressed, no. The American incarceration-industrial complex is unconscionable. Widespread poverty and homelessness in America is unconscionable when we have an economic system that allows people who do nothing to get fabulously rich. The war on drugs, discriminatory housing policies, and the disgusting way we treat our mentally and physically sick is absolutely indefensible. I could go on but you care more about your pocketbook than your fellow citizens so I won't.
[–]stphilistine 4 points5 points6 points  (3 children)
i think we need to take care of americans first, of all races
you are absolutely right, but a little misguided about how things actually work. you are presenting this as the type of dilemma where for every 1 refugee we take in, that's 1 homeless person that stays homelesss/hungry. in reality there are many things that displace both in terms of where we spend money.
changing our way of life
I see this right-wing talking point a lot and don't really understand it. Maybe because I Philly (or at least my neighborhood) doesn't have a whole lot of Muslim people. But I've never felt like my way of life has been threatened by the presence of Muslims, and haven't really seen any evidence for that in this country.
[–]Jawn_ValjortsThe shad is my spirit animal 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
The programs to help the homeless and poor are completely separate from those that bring in immigrants and refugees. Even refugees usually need to have some basic level of skill before they're given entry into the country. They aren't taking jobs or food away from Americans.
As to the issue of the homeless, that falls into a few groups, the most prominent being the mentally ill, which we can thank Regan for shutting down most of our mental health infrastructure.
[–]cerialthriller 3 points4 points5 points  (1 child)
No it's not a one for one thing but we aren't doing much to improve our own schools, workers and overall conditions for lower classes but we are attempting to do the same for people who aren't here paying taxes, mean while people are being taxed because they want to drink a soda or almond milk.
As for changing our way of life, we've been seeing this in Europe where the majority of refugees are going to with things like schools being sued for making refugees take classes with males and having coed swimming and such. Another good example is with a few towns in the Toms River area being bought up by Hasidic Jewish families to the degree that they've gotten full governments of Hasidic Jewish people and have started segregating public schools again between male and female and non Jews are threatened out of their houses. I do t think any extremist or hardline religious people fit in here and I feel that religious people who are moderate it the Mid East are probably very hardline to us.
[–]Sparrow8907 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
and I feel that religious people who are moderate it the Mid East are probably very hardline to us.
That, combined with the fact that the Muslim Brotherhood has had a plan for infiltrating and taking over America in 100 years since 1992, which we didn't discover till the mid-2000. Which is just the expanse of the original plan they sketched out for inflitrating and taking over Western culture in the mid-80's.
Really puts mass-immigration in a different light for me :-/
[–]BrightGreenLEDWelcome to DE... 6 points7 points8 points  (12 children)
Realistically, all extreme religious views are against the western way of life. That's one of the big reasons for the separation of Church and state. So if you are going to claim that Islamic ideals don't work in america, you should say the same about Christian ideals or Jewish ideals or any other religious ideals.
[–]cerialthriller 3 points4 points5 points  (11 children)
I completely agree. I just think Middle East moderate is not moderate here.
[–]BrightGreenLEDWelcome to DE... 7 points8 points9 points  (10 children)
Have you ever encountered Middle East moderate? Also, you do realize that the majority of practicing Muslims aren't even from the Middle East? The people you hear about on the news and such have been and probably always will be the extremists and the ultra conservatives. Maybe you should actually encounter some moderate Muslims before passing judgement since it sounds like you haven't seen any outside of your tv screen.
[–]cerialthriller 2 points3 points4 points  (9 children)
I'm talking about people coming here from the Middle East. What are you even talking about with people not from the Middle East it's irrelevant to the conversation
[–]BrightGreenLEDWelcome to DE... 2 points3 points4 points  (8 children)
No, your exact words were
I also don't really think muslim ideals and ways of life are really all that compatible with the western way of life
[–]UncleTogie 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
also has a strong moral / religious foundation.
They claim to be Christian, and then ignore everything that Christ suggested they do. I'd suggest that it's all show, and no action when it comes to their morals.
[–]c0ld-- 21 points22 points23 points  (19 children)
Some on the left
For me, it seems like the "Alt-right" label is the most popular Liberal/Leftist launchpad for a rebuttal to a conservative argument.
"I don't want my tax dollars paying for birth control."
"Of course you wouldn't, Alt-Right Nazi troll!"
Like, I get that some people come into discussions to rile people up by using inappropriate language or false/misleading information, but the hyper-labeling of opposing views seems to have overruled any discourse for civil discussions. It's the bane of the current popularity of identity politics.
[–]joshTheGoods 22 points23 points24 points  (3 children)
You're doing exactly what you're complaining about: being dismissive based solely on a label. Alt-right is clear and distinct from conservative, and there's plenty of good legitimate discussion of that above.
On the flip side of this... there's a good reason why some people will mistake alt-right for "conservative" ... and that's because the alt-right is essentially a subset of the conservative side of the political house. It is what it is, and guilt by association is a thing.
[–]c0ld-- 2 points3 points4 points  (2 children)
You're doing exactly what you're complaining about
Not true. You are confusing my having a problem with a large portion of people misappropriating a label onto political discussions, with the fallacy of blanket judging an entire group of people (hint: the key phrase is "seems like").
I'm making a complaint that I'm seeing the growth in popularity of fallacious responses to opposing views as "alt-right" when there isn't evidence of someone being alt-right simply by extrapolating what a person generally says in a small online quote (hence my small example).
guilt by association is a thing
Nor is it a justification for an illogical argument.
[–]joshTheGoods 7 points8 points9 points  (1 child)
Not true.
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. When you start talking about "leftists" and "their most popular rebuttal" I tend to see that as using a label and a bunch of preconceived notions to come to a conclusion. You're essentially saying that if someone from the left calls someone else alt-right the "most popular" reason they did it is not because they have some evidence to support their position, but because they've misunderstood the terminology. It can't be that they have made a legitimate observation, it's that they're ignorant. Where's the logic in that? If you're extrapolating from your experiences of "leftists" then why can't the "leftist" extrapolate from their experiences with the alt-right to come to quicker judgements on who they're conversing with?
[–]stphilistine 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
I think a lot of the problem I see (and I read a decent amount of legitimate conservative media) is that there isn't a lot of momentum to distance conservatism from the alt right. It's hard to ignore how the alt right became a dominant voice of political discourse during Trump's ascent, and a stark lack of republicans denouncing it.
I see where your coming from, that hyper-labelling tends to have the effect of silencing discussion on both sides. Calling someone alt-right for espousing vanilla conservative views like "I don't want tax dollars to pay for birth control" is wrong. Calling someone alt-right for espousing white supremacist views like a commitment to "Make America White Again"(actual post at the top of /r/altright rn) is a-ok.
Because at the end of the day the only time you should be worried about mislabeling a nazi is when you're toe-tagging their body.
[–]standaafghan 9 points10 points11 points  (11 children)
alt-right / nazi is used by those on the left to control the discourse. libtard / marxist is used by those on the right to control discourse.
It's really troubling because social marxism and fascism are dangerous, but jerks who can't be bothered to support their arguments with facts keep watering them down.
The idea that people would be compelled to use particular pronouns is a terrifying overreach of government. The idea that gender disphoria is a thing, and a person with a penis could identify as a female is not terrifying.
The idea that the government would keep a registry of a specific religious group is a terrifying overreach. The idea that the government would want to vet, very carefully, people entering the country from a warzone is not terrifying.
The false equivalency of moderate ideas with extreme ones is a problem. I don't have a solution, just complaining.
[–]Alexnader- 21 points22 points23 points  (10 children)
r/altright would disagree with you. Seriously that sub is full of self described neo-nazis. Check their top posts, 'upvoats for our boys in black' , has a picture of the wehrmacht.
Altright is not a label used by the left to control discourse (or at least not totally), it's a real movement that seeks to subvert right wing politics and bring about a new rise of fascism. They actually discuss how to do this regularly.
Luckily tho they're mostly just sad wehraboos with superiority complexes and no real power.
[–]eric22vhs 11 points12 points13 points  (10 children)
What if the second statement is followed by an explanation of the link between crime and poverty, and the struggle of minority communities to break out of poverty after a long history of oppression? Because then it sounds more like regular history class stuff..
It still sounds to me like you guys aren't mature enough to have discussions on this stuff, so you're just writing off everything as white nationalism or whatever and trying to censor.
[–]standaafghan 7 points8 points9 points  (4 children)
What if the second statement is followed by an explanation of the link between crime and poverty...
I think that statement would be contradictory to the one calling them animals and placing the blame squarely on them. That's the specific reason I put it in there.
If I replaced the second part of the second statement with your statement that would be history class stuff.
Tying crime to race rather than poverty is the white nationalism.
Did you read my comment, or even your own?
[–]eric22vhs 4 points5 points6 points  (3 children)
I read it, and had a relevant and important response, which you addressed... Clearly I read it, stop being a little baby.
[–]oscarasimov 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
It still sounds to me like you guys aren't mature enough to have discussions on this stuff, so you're just writing off everything as white nationalism or whatever and trying to censor.
exactly. Looks like we'll both be banned shortly :/
[–]retardobarnes 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
A telltale sign of the altright is euphemisms like "race realist" where someone claims to have no inherent hatred for a particular race (that's "real" racism like they had in the 50s South). No, the race realist is just stating facts about crime statistics, such as higher rates of _____ among blacks, and if these numbers offend you maybe it's time you became more race realistic like him! You see, the alt-right has been, since his comfortable middle class birth, subjugated by the ruling orthodoxy of POLITICAL CORRECTNESS, forced upon him in school, by Sesame Street, etc. At some point he woke up (perhaps took a pill of a certain color?) and realized that because the greater cultural zeitgeist championed inclusiveness and tolerance, yet there was still crime committed by the non-white, it must all have been a sham. Now he conquers the fear and inadequacy in his own life by feeling free to preach against all that diversity and historical context.
[–]starstar420 39 points40 points41 points  (0 children)
Thanks!
[–]Jawn_ValjortsThe shad is my spirit animal 6 points7 points8 points  (4 children)
Is nobody going to point out that OP used the possessive instead of the plural of "nazi"?
[–]khyleth 15 points16 points17 points  (2 children)
Grammar Nazis are still allowed.
[–]Jawn_ValjortsThe shad is my spirit animal 2 points3 points4 points  (1 child)
[–]ColeS707 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
Arguably the two best types of Nazis
[–]hiphopapotamus1 2 points3 points4 points  (1 child)
Test comment
edit. Good. My honest opinion was mixed in with racists. Having a differing opinion doesn't make you a nazi
[–]socksdrugsnrocknroll 32 points33 points34 points  (0 children)
Good on you! Thanks.
[–]JollRoints 24 points25 points26 points  (0 children)
Thanks!
[–]fjposter2 10 points11 points12 points  (0 children)
I never really visit /r/Philadelphia, are there any examples of some of the alt right/neo nazi people being banned, what did they say?
[–]paradoxasauruser 47 points48 points49 points  (9 children)
THANK YOU! reddit has become a haven for these users, and they've made it clear that not only are their views inhumane and toxic, they're also not even coated in a veneer of intellectual thought (of course not; Nazism is not renowned for making actual sense), they just regurgitate memes and bullshit statistics, all while spreading their poison. I've gotten so drained from trying to explain this to sympathizers (folks who aren't Nazis but believe they should be permitted a platform) - no, they do not deserve a place to spout their nonsense, racist rhetoric. It is intrinsically aimed to expand to the physical realm and built around the dehumanization of innocent people, and the more we let it grow, the harder it will be to chop off its head when it inevitably reaches the point of "real world" (it already has in many places, such as Whitefish). I'm so frustrated that the admins don't do anything, as mods can't reliably deal with it, or don't want to, so I appreciate it that you do.
Sorry, I get passionate about this. Not a fan of a platform given to people who want to curbstomp me for no reason.
[–]eagleapexPassyunk Square 27 points28 points29 points  (26 children)
We are anti-fascist
[–]Rsubs33Point Breezy 36 points37 points38 points  (25 children)
You mean American.
[–]ayovita 7 points8 points9 points  (1 child)
Fuck yeah we are. Let's break hoagies together
[–]eagleapexPassyunk Square 7 points8 points9 points  (0 children)
I do!
[–]PhillypedeDonald J. Trump is your President 61 points62 points63 points  (29 children)
This is not about differing political opinions.
I sure hope not!
[–]gk128New Donk City?![S] 98 points99 points100 points  (15 children)
You're not an asshole... well you are, but you're not a nazi asshole.
[–]HobbyPlodder 12 points13 points14 points  (13 children)
So are actual personal attacks something that mods are going to take action against now?
It seems like there's a lot of shit slinging that is allowed in this sub without any repercussions. I know you have banned people in the past for making unsavory and unacceptable comments towards you, but is there any argument to made about similar 'toxic' language made against others?
[–]gk128New Donk City?![S] 43 points44 points45 points  (11 children)
Report it. People have been banned for it in the past.
Shit like "Kill Yourself" and "Drink Bleach" has been given 7 day bans for 1st offenses before.
[–]capnjack78 17 points18 points19 points  (9 children)
But you guys have also selectively ignored those reports of personal attacks in the past, for your own amusement. And you let the attacks continue for months until they temporarily quit reddit, only to come back again.
[–]gk128New Donk City?![S] 9 points10 points11 points  (8 children)
I'm not going to say we are perfect, and we have sure fucked up. However if something was brought to our attention I'm pretty sure we've said something or did something about it. If not we dun fucked up and that is something we hopefully don't have happen in the future.
[–]capnjack78 6 points7 points8 points  (6 children)
It'd be nice if you guys could be consistent before that person gets out of hand again. I haven't recently seen them attack people like before, but I purposely avoid them because I expect it will happen.
[–]HobbyPlodder 6 points7 points8 points  (0 children)
Alright, will do!
[–]Imightbeflirting 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
Thanks for not banning me, either. I post- sometimes downvoted, sometimes upvoted, but I'm sure as shit not a nazi.
[–]flamehead2k1Fairmount 28 points29 points30 points  (11 children)
Well you haven't been banned yet so they aren't going for all trump supporters
[–]Simon_the_CannibalOld Kenzo 62 points63 points64 points  (5 children)
Yeah, there's a difference between "I support Trump" and "yes, faggot niggers taking over the sub is clearly the better choice", the latter being a pleasant note the mods just got.
[–]joenottoast 6 points7 points8 points  (4 children)
often seems hard for some on the left to be willing to differentiate between those two people
[–]Simon_the_CannibalOld Kenzo 15 points16 points17 points  (3 children)
That same difficulty seems to be present on the right as well.
[–]joenottoast 5 points6 points7 points  (2 children)
holy shit i think we just uncovered the root of the problem: literally humans everywhere all of them. turns out hitler had the right idea, just too small of a scale. in addition to jews and minorities, he should have exterminated every color gender and race and followed up with himself.
[–]Simon_the_CannibalOld Kenzo 8 points9 points10 points  (1 child)
I, for one, welcome our robot overlords.
[–]joenottoast 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
this is so deep in the comments now that you're probably the only one who is going to see it, but..
[–]KFCConspiracyStrawberry Mansion Development Committee Member 11 points12 points13 points  (2 children)
Neither is that twat /u/mutantturkey
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    [–]AustinCT 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Yeah same haha it must just be trolls/racist assholes
    [–]Brioux[🍰] 6 points7 points8 points  (0 children)
    Glad to see its getting rid of the extremists but still allowing differing political opinions.
    [–]Demopublican 32 points33 points34 points  (0 children)
    I banned a bunch of alt-right/neo-nazi assholes last night.
    Good
    [–]Happyfeet_I 20 points21 points22 points  (20 children)
    So I'm not welcome if I support a certain politician? Not that r/the_Donald isn't' full of alt-right trolls, but not everyone that browses that subreddit fits that incredibly vague description. And to mention it at all tells me that this IS about differing political opinions. I just subscribed to show support for and to know more about what's going on in the city I live in, among a community I'm familiar with. But this sub has done nothing more then make me feel ostracized.
    [–]Ohnana_ 17 points18 points19 points  (19 children)
    Nah, you can still support Trump. As long as you're not running around saying dumb bigoted shit, we don't really care. I'm a super duper mega lefty, and as long you meet that rule, you can support/vote for who you want as far as I am concerned.
    People like you are honestly my favorite kind of conservative, because you break the echo chamber without making me want to throttle you through the Internet :)
    [–]oscarasimov 6 points7 points8 points  (6 children)
    As long as you're not running around saying dumb bigoted shit
    Yea but this is the issue, a non trivial number of trump opponents think disagreeing with them is intrinsically bigoted and dumb.
    Like people get assaulted for wearing trump hats because "they must be a racist". It's fucking nonsense.
    edit: /u/Trexrunner , I'd love to respond to your comment but it looks like I was banned. Feel free to keep going on about how this isn't about party politics.
    edit 2: /u/Trexrunner , not banned huh? tell me, is it exhausting being you?
    [–]Trexrunner 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)
    yeah, you are right. That is not awesome.
    [–]Simon_the_CannibalOld Kenzo -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
    That is not awesome.
    Definitely disagree.
    [–]pbjandahighfive 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
    Wow, can't believe this dude was banned for this. They didn't say anything shitty or racist as far as I can tell. Fuck nazis, but damn bans like this make the mods look like the nazis.
    [–]35Fuckup 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Yep, that shit sickens me, and only makes the alt-right people feel justified, like when the white guy got the shit beat out of him in the streets and his car stolen while he was dragged off with it on Election Day
    [–]Trexrunner -3 points-2 points-1 points  (0 children)
    You were not banned. I removed my own comment after about two minutes. I didn't feel like having the conversation, I'm sorry you responded
    [–]eyebrowcombover -3 points-2 points-1 points  (11 children)
    But see, that's the problem. The left has diluted racism/bigotry to the point where anything is racist if it doesn't agree with the left's agenda. Advocating things like border control can get you called racist. The problem is that people in general, but particularly on the left, are too quick to claim that something is racist or fascist, or some sort of phobe and immediately try to silence that person.
    You don't get to control what opinions are approved and therefore able to be spoken.
    [–]reggitor 10 points11 points12 points  (0 children)
    /u/gk128 I would like some clarification here as well. I don't personally support it, but would advocating a wall between the US and Mexico be considered alt-right nazi-ism?
    Some feel strongly, that regardless of race, immigration should be documented and done through legal channels, and a wall is one way to do it. Is having viewpoints such as this considered racist on this subreddit? I don't agree, but I also don't think it's racist.
    I ask because Philadelphia's status as a sanctuary city should be something that can be openly talked about. Sure you might not agree with people, but as long as they arent trolling or racist in their remarks, people should be able to talk about it here, a forum for their city.
    Stating, "I don't think that Philadelphia should be a sanctuary city and that a wall between the US and Mexico should be built" is not a statement about race but of policy.
    It'd be great to hear thoughts from the mods on this.
    [–]dbpcut 2 points3 points4 points  (1 child)
    No, there are actual men giving speeches about how the non whites are less human, gollum like, which is direct language from actual Nazi rhetoric.
    THAT'S the shit we're talking about, not a lot of room to dillute.
    [–]eyebrowcombover -3 points-2 points-1 points  (0 children)
    Listen, I'm not here advocating racism...I agree with your statement that what you quoted is bad. That being said, censorship is not the answer, there is no hard definition of what racism is on reddit because its entirely up to perception. When mods take action like this its a slipper slope and the outcome is typically abuse.
    [–]skarphace 1 point2 points3 points  (7 children)
    That's not what anyone is saying here. You just made that up.
    [–]eyebrowcombover 5 points6 points7 points  (6 children)
    I made what up? Are you saying that no one has ever been called racist for wanting stronger borders? If so, please educate yourself.
    Banning people for what you call racism is a slipper slope, its easy to just say that someone you don't agree with is being racist and ban them. I'm not advocating racism in any way, but censorship is not the answer.
    [–]skarphace -3 points-2 points-1 points  (5 children)
    You can talk all day about how liberals label those taking points, but it's irrelevant. Nobody in this thread is talking about your strawman's interpretation but actual Nazi bullshit.
    [–]eyebrowcombover 4 points5 points6 points  (4 children)
    Oh hey neat, you didn't answer my question.
    My argument isn't a strawman, I'm saying that this is some slippery slope bullshit and just because your feels got hurt doesn't give you a right to censor people.
    [–]bestnottosayDickinson Square West -1 points0 points1 point  (3 children)
    You know what's great about reddit? You can create your own place, right now, and in it, impose your own ideals of what's acceptable and what isn't.
    Moderation is the answer to the failing health of an online community. Is everything /u/gk128 has done agreeable to me vis-a-vis censorship? No. Does there exist any combination of things /u/gk128 can do that will please everyone vis-a-vis censorship? Also, no. So fuck off with your slippery slope, and create your own place, where you can define the slope as you see fit.
    [–]eyebrowcombover 0 points1 point2 points  (2 children)
    Lol the ole I don't agree with what you say but I know its right and I can't counter it so get the fuck out of here argument.
    [–]bestnottosayDickinson Square West -1 points0 points1 point  (1 child)
    Lol the ole I'll downvote you because I don't like what you said you even though I know you totally have a point and I won't acknowledge that
    You want a place where free speech supersedes all? Make one. Moderate it. Anywhere. Wait for shitheels to arrive, then try to hang on to that place, but never let the highly motivated non-members of that community arrive in droves and dominate the conversation, because shutting someone up for being a shitheel is censorship.
    Fucking tiresome.
    [–]Jawn_ValjortsThe shad is my spirit animal 18 points19 points20 points  (1 child)
    I guess we'll be able to see who it was based on who comments in this thread.
    [–]PhillypedeDonald J. Trump is your President -7 points-6 points-5 points  (0 children)
    yo
    [–]SpontaneousLightBulb 14 points15 points16 points  (0 children)
    Thanks for doing this, I had been hoping for this for some months now.
    [–]samuel33334 9 points10 points11 points  (1 child)
    Can you tell us what these "alt right talking points" are?
    [–]EastPhillyReal Fishtown -2 points-1 points0 points  (0 children)
    They seem to be going with "don't use racial slurs or talk about politics in a way that involves race as a point". But really it's hard to tell what they want.
    It seems like "anyone who receives welfare should be drug tested" might fly but "to many minorities are abusing the welfare system" wouldn't. Maybe both would.
    Also something about of you don't support abortions you are evil (that seems to be a hot topic).
    [–]ericvulgaris 10 points11 points12 points  (0 children)
    Even though i don't live in philly anymore, I still check by here to see what's good.
    Thanks for your hardwork, mods.
    [–]annoyinconquerer/r/philadelphia is filled with closet racists 18 points19 points20 points  (3 children)
    Cool with me.
    [–]dampierpSouth Philly 2 points3 points4 points  (2 children)
    lol that flair tho
    [–]annoyinconquerer/r/philadelphia is filled with closet racists 9 points10 points11 points  (1 child)
    Pretty representative of the population of Philly as well
    [–]BMKR 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    That closet is wide open.
    [–]NoMeHableis 8 points9 points10 points  (0 children)
    Amen!!
    [–]attababyitsaboy 9 points10 points11 points  (0 children)
    really appreciate it. well done.
    [–]AnalJusticeStop Feeding Trolls 8 points9 points10 points  (0 children)
    Thank fucking goodness!
    [–]gibberingfoolCenter City East 16 points17 points18 points  (0 children)
    Finally! Thank you.
    [–]Phillip_Pirrip 13 points14 points15 points  (0 children)
    Thanks! I mostly lurk here, but I've seen the uptick in shitty comments and appreciate the move to curb it.
    [–]Rsubs33Point Breezy 14 points15 points16 points  (0 children)
    /u/gk128 you da man. Have an upvote.
    [–]ReturnOfThePing 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
    Just posting to check and see if I've been banned...
    [–]hiphopapotamus1 2 points3 points4 points  (1 child)
    Can we see examples of the trolling??
    [–]bestnottosayDickinson Square West 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    [–]hollaburoo 9 points10 points11 points  (0 children)
    Thanks so much!!!
    I figured this subreddit was just permanently overrun by nazis and was ready to unsubscribe.
    [–]erichiro 7 points8 points9 points  (0 children)
    bye bye
    [–]NotCobaltWolfUniversity City 9 points10 points11 points  (0 children)
    slow clap
    [–]hpliferaft 11 points12 points13 points  (0 children)
    Dude fucking FINALLY. Thanks for standing up for it.
    [–]iFartBubbles 11 points12 points13 points  (0 children)
    Thank you is was getting out of hand
    [–]Dragonair476West Philadelphia 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    Can we still suggest Woody's as the place to be for out-of-towners?
    [–]NoobSailboat444 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    How do you identify something as alt-right
    [–]TectonicWaferManayunk & Narberth 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    Who wants to go Nazi hunting this Friday? My usual weekend plans fell through.
    [–]digital_end 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    I only hope my home city sub gets a set of balls some day too.
    [–]TrickOrTreater 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    Don't live in Philadelphia, never been to this sub, but well done just the same.
    [–]TheFAPnetworkdo youse goys order eh temayteh poy? 5 points6 points7 points  (4 children)
    I wonder who it was.
    I troll, but not in a racist way. Most times I have something to say. Never alt-right tho.
    [–]Rsubs33Point Breezy 1 point2 points3 points  (3 children)
    Pretty much all of the pede's expect /u/phillypede.
    [–]PhillypedeDonald J. Trump is your President 2 points3 points4 points  (2 children)
    why was I summoned to this??
    [–]TheFAPnetworkdo youse goys order eh temayteh poy? 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Because people can't reddit
    [–]Rsubs33Point Breezy 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Just pointing out you are the only pede left and the others all got banned for being nazi pedes.
    [–]desaf 5 points6 points7 points  (5 children)
    Pretty much anyone that's conservative is now called alt-right. It you oppose any type of liberal viewpoint you're alt-right now.
    [–]EvilShayton 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
    I understand where you are coming from, nobody likes being grouped with the bad kids, but if you are a normal republican that wants small gov't, lower taxes and think abortions are bad, you guys are proud conservative Americans whom I respectfully disagree with and will happily have a civil political dialogue over a fine Philadelphian brewed beer. If you advocate racial purety, sexual assault and murdering the poor then you aint American brother, and we got ourselves a problemo.
    [–]-Radish- 4 points5 points6 points  (3 children)
    I don't think so. Most people who are conservative in this country are not alt-right. Most people who consider themselves "alt right" disagree with mainstream conservatives ideology.
    [–]desaf 3 points4 points5 points  (2 children)
    Imo in normal conditions you would be right, but with this election it's been almost like there is no middle ground youre either with the Dems/libs or youre against them and alt-right. Case in point - if you voted for trump you're a xenophobic, bigoted, racist.
    [–]Candelora 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    This happens every four years. It quiets down.
    [–]fetamorphasis 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    If you're not racist but you voted for Trump you still are OK with a racist President. How is that OK?
    I'm truly not trying to prove your comment. I'm just trying to understand how being OK with voting for a racist, xenophobic bigot is not a bad thing.
    [–]hehateme429 2 points3 points4 points  (2 children)
    WTF is going on?
    [–]Simon_the_CannibalOld Kenzo 6 points7 points8 points  (1 child)
    Trolls, trolls trolling trolls, and general dumb-assery.
    [–]Jawn_ValjortsThe shad is my spirit animal 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    [–]beleca 15 points16 points17 points  (54 children)
    You start off by saying "trolling is fine, but we're not tolerating 'mean' trolling (whatever that means) anymore", but then you immediately go into, "I'll argue politics all day, but if you're alt-right, instead of arguing I'll just ban you." You can't set up the proposition "I'm pro-free speech, I'll just let arguments speak for themselves", and then immediately go "unless you have opinions I find objectionable, then I'll use censorship". None of your conclusions follow from your premises. It's literally like someone saying "Hey, I would let you park here, but you know what they say: 'don't touch the bacon when it's sleeping'".
    This is the true authoritanism. Censorship without even the pretext of "just enforcing the rules". What people like you don't seem to realize is that with actions like these, you are driving more people towards the alt-right. Normal people look at this and go, "do I want to be on the side of the people who say what they really think and don't bow down to PC bullshit or anything else, or do I want to be on the side of the guy who wants to tell other people what they are and aren't allowed to say and think?" Censoring people you disagree with isn't just unamerican, but it shows weakness: it makes people think you couldn't win in a fair argument, so you cheat by silencing your opponent. Like I said, you're just pushing even more people into the alt-right because now they are the "anti-censorship, pro free speech" guys just by default, by comparison to you. Good job.
    [–]eric22vhs 28 points29 points30 points  (10 children)
    Everything you wrote in bold hits the nail on the head. Personally, I'm liberal as hell, but I can't stand being on the side of people who aren't intellectually honest or want to silence their opponents. I know my ideas are strong because they hold up to criticism. I'm sure gk128 is a nice guy, or girl, in person, but I've seen their posts before, and they really don't seem mature enough to be modding a sub of this size, particularly a geographic sub that needs to be moderated for actual instances of harassment or racism or whatever, but ought to be left politically neutral.
    If you want to mod a political echo chamber sub, that's all well and good, but don't try to turn /r/philadelphia into your political echo chamber.
    [–]_Dimension 8 points9 points10 points  (0 children)
    I also agree with what you are saying.
    If I say, women have issues that should be addressed. cool.
    If I say, men have issues that should be addressed. bad?
    am I suddenly an alt-right neo nazi supporter because I think men should have their unequal rights looked at as much as women's unequal rights looked at?
    I voted for Hiliary, but I don't think people with opinions shouldn't be silenced.
    Black on black crime in Chicago is a problem.
    There are institutions that are inherently racist that might push black people into more crime.
    I'm a liberal, but I am also a supporter of science based examination of facts no matter how inconvenient. I know there are a ton of left supporters who straw man the hell out of a lot of arguments.
    I don't like the whole, "if you don't tow the entire democratic party line, we are going to throw you out" that seems to be happening nowadays.
    I feel like the democratic party is letting me down because it is trying to silence issues I care about.
    [–]samuel33334 7 points8 points9 points  (8 children)
    This sub pretty much sucks to be honest.
    [–]g_m171 12 points13 points14 points  (2 children)
    Here from r/all... sure sounds like it.
    [–]Psuphilly#10 John LeClair 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    It has sucked balls since he election.
    Philly is obviously overwhelmingly blue (democrat) in a swing state that went red.
    When (if) politics calm down, the sub is great.
    [–]binarybandit 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Same. Looks like mods are using their power to censor anyone who has views that don't follow the liberal train of thought. Seems really shitty to me.
    [–]eric22vhs -3 points-2 points-1 points  (4 children)
    It's not all terrible, but it has been getting worse constantly. The left has lost its mind, hence losing an election to trump of all people, and the sub has a large enough portion of by the book leftists and progressive students that it's degrading right along with their ideologies.
    [–]samuel33334 comment score below threshold-9 points-8 points-7 points  (3 children)
    There isn't room for conservatives in this sub. It's shameful that you can't really have an opposing opinion.
    [–]Simon_the_CannibalOld Kenzo 11 points12 points13 points  (2 children)
    There isn't room for conservatives in this sub.
    Right, which is why you were banned.
    [–]samuel33334 -2 points-1 points0 points  (1 child)
    I was not banned lol. I'm not a Nazi, I just have a different point of view and opinion and if you can't respect that than you're a child.
    [–]Simon_the_CannibalOld Kenzo 7 points8 points9 points  (0 children)
    Oh, weird. You said there wasn't room for conservatives in this sub, so I figured you'd been banned.
    [–]Jawn_ValjortsThe shad is my spirit animal 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
    Is isn't an issue of the freeze peaches you t_d types love to talk about and then completely unite in your own sub. This is an issue of outright racism, treats, and brigading destroying a local sub reddit. If you want open political discussion go somewhere else, if you want to talk about Philly issues without resorting to dog whistles or slurs then hang out here.
    [–]bestnottosayDickinson Square West 4 points5 points6 points  (17 children)
    you couldn't win in a fair argument, so you cheat by silencing your opponent
    Implication: Trolls argue fairly.
    do I want to be on the side of ..., or do I want to be on the side of
    Literal false dichotomy.
    Your assumption is that every single place for discussion must be accepting of all views at all times. This is false, and if it means more people with unacceptable views have to search for more extreme places until their views are acceptable, then so be it. /r/philadelphia has a focus: The city of Philadelphia. Those who can even marginally communicate about that subject, even with a heavy political slant, are welcome.
    Now fuck off, brigader.
    [–]eyebrowcombover -3 points-2 points-1 points  (16 children)
    Yeah man, fuck people with different opinions.
    [–]bestnottosayDickinson Square West 4 points5 points6 points  (15 children)
    No, fuck YOU.
    Do you live in this city? Have you ever? Have you ever participated in a conversation about this city until 20 minutes ago? Oh wait you haven't. Ergo: Fuck off.
    [–]eyebrowcombover 0 points1 point2 points  (14 children)
    Lol you are a fucking simp, you can't argue so you resort to trying to silence me because you don't think I live in the Philly area.
    Now I see why you are in favor of censorship, you can't form a cohesive argument and would rather silence anyone that doesn't agree with you than try to engage in any type of rationale argument.
    [–]bestnottosayDickinson Square West 1 point2 points3 points  (9 children)
    Don't worry, I don't want to silence you -- I just want you to fuck off to somewhere else. You'll go as quickly as you came, now that you've made sure your seagull commentary is adequately defended by the first amendment by insinuating that any dissent is directly opposed.
    I am positive that you will interpret this as a non-argument. You might be right, but you know what? I don't care. You don't contribute here? Fuck off. Hang around awhile, and maybe then we can talk about the finer points of free speech.
    [–]eyebrowcombover -1 points0 points1 point  (8 children)
    But we can't discuss free speech because people like you try to censor everyone they don't agree with.
    e: you are the problem. "I just want you to fuck off to somewhere else". You can't handle different opinions and just want people who disagree with you to leave.
    [–]bestnottosayDickinson Square West 0 points1 point2 points  (5 children)
    Where would you like to discuss free speech as it pertains to Philadelphia or the removal of certain posters from this subreddit?
    [–]eyebrowcombover 1 point2 points3 points  (4 children)
    Right here works for me.
    [–]bestnottosayDickinson Square West 0 points1 point2 points  (3 children)
    OK. Fuck you.
    Free speech!
    Wait, have we contributed anything relevant to Philadelphia in the past 6 or 8 posts, including this one? Nope.
    Should this whole thread get removed? Yup. Is that censorship? IMO, no. That's good moderation.
    [–]bestnottosayDickinson Square West 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
    I don't agree with you =/= I censor you. I don't want to argue =/= I censor you.
    I'm not even a mod here; I just agree that bridgading fucksticks like yourself are the worst part of this website, and that /r/philadelphia was long overdue for more active moderation.
    [–]eyebrowcombover -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
    Also, no. So fuck off with your slippery slope, and create your own place, where you can define the slope as you see fit.
    Do you live in this city? Have you ever? Have you ever participated in a conversation about this city until 20 minutes ago? Oh wait you haven't. Ergo: Fuck off.
    You literally told me to leave because I said something you disagree with. You can't form a solid argument so you revert to censorship. Pathetic!
    [–]Jawn_ValjortsThe shad is my spirit animal -1 points0 points1 point  (3 children)
    Do you live in Philly? Are you from the area? Have you ever participated in this community before?
    [–]eyebrowcombover 0 points1 point2 points  (2 children)
    Yes I live in Philly, that is why I'm subbed. This city is the pinnacle of freedom, so its only fitting that my first posts in r/Philadelphia were speaking out against censorship.
    [–]Jawn_ValjortsThe shad is my spirit animal 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
    If you've been subbed for so long but failed to participate in the past you don't really have a leg to stand on complaining about moderation now.
    [–]eyebrowcombover 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
    Why is that?
    [–]Simon_the_CannibalOld Kenzo 10 points11 points12 points  (13 children)
    Who the fuck are you? What "arguments" are you referring to in this subreddit? Do you support the death threats u/gk128 has received over the past weeks?
    [–]foot_kisser 6 points7 points8 points  (5 children)
    death threats
    Don't change the subject.
    [–]Simon_the_CannibalOld Kenzo 2 points3 points4 points  (4 children)
    That was the original subject, until people like you came into the sub from... r/altright? Which sub are you brigading from?
    [–]foot_kisser 4 points5 points6 points  (2 children)
    Which sub are you brigading from?
    It's not brigading when you find something in /r/all.
    That was the original subject
    I read the mod's post, and it did not mention death threats at all. Presumably if he made the post because you guys had a problem with death threats, he would have mentioned it at least once.
    Instead there's a post about the alt-right, /r/The_Donald, and neo-nazis, all of which are rather different groups. And it says that holding alt-right views is a bannable offence. Just conflating the alt-right with /r/The_Donald or neo-nazis would show a lack of understanding of what the word "alt-right" means, but this mod did both at once.
    The problem with that should be fairly obvious: a mod just declared that certain viewpoints are not allowed to be expressed, and it isn't even clear what viewpoints he's referring to.
    Would someone saying "Make America Great Again!" get banned? Someone using the word "cuck"? Someone saying "centipedes are nimble navigators"? Posting a meme? Posting a pepe meme? Saying "give this man a coat"? Supporting nationalism? Supporting immigration laws, but not stopping immigration altogether? These are all /r/The_Donald things, and I can't tell if they are banned or not.
    Supporting ethno-nationalism? Supporting a complete halt to both legal and illegal immigration? Being worried that white people will no longer be the majority in America if certain demographic trends continue? Saying that the various races are different, but different races are not necessarily inferior or superior? These are actual alt-right things.
    Or is it just about people using ethnic slurs? Supporting cross-burnings?
    Who knows what this mod is trying to say, but whatever it is, it pretty clearly doesn't have anything to do with death threats.
    [–]Simon_the_CannibalOld Kenzo 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
    My apologies. You make some great points about censorship and concerns anyone might have about being silenced in a public forum.
    1. Why the fuck do you care? You've never visited /r/philadelphia before and you're probably not going to again.
    2. Why the fuck should I care about what you're saying, seeing as this is a community for people in Philadelphia and you're obviously not one of those?
    3. You didn't post tits.
    [–]lambburger 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    oh my god you're having a melt down...
    [–]Simon_the_CannibalOld Kenzo[M] 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
    [USER WAS BANNED FOR ENDING A SENTENCE IN A PREPOSITION]
    [–]beleca 3 points4 points5 points  (3 children)
    "I will argue all day, but as soon as you start linking or talking in alt-right talking points you can fuck right off. It is not a legitimate stance. Period. We are not going to let alt-right/neo-nazi fucks take over this sub, and I wish Reddit admins would start banning their toxic subs."
    Is what I was referring to. You keep changing the subject, even in your post. There are 3 different issues here: 1) trolling, 2) "hate speech" & 3) death threats. If you wanna ban people for trolling, whatever. But you said that you'll ban people just for expressing opinions that someone (ie you) deemed to be alt-right; this is censorship. Even if you keep calling it "hate speech", it's censorship. And when you ban (i.e. censor) people for their ideas instead of the way those ideas are expressed, eg through trolling or rule-breaking, then you are arbitrarily censoring people which makes you the bad guy to a lot of people. If you said "this isn't a political sub, so we'll ban you for discussing politics", that'd be one thing, but you're saying political discussions are ok as long as your ideas fall within the range of what I consider acceptable. Most people on reddit do not like this kind of autocratic censorship, and as I said before, you're going to drive people towards the alt-right and away from this sub.
    As for people receiving death threats, that's against site rules and it's illegal. You should report them to reddit and the police and ban them if you want. But thats a totally separate issue from the issues of censorship and trolling. It doesn't make sense to pretend that one caused the other.
    [–]Jawn_ValjortsThe shad is my spirit animal -1 points0 points1 point  (1 child)
    Who are you? Have you ever posted or participated in /r/Philadelphia before? If not, your waxing poetic about ideals of free speech opposed to censorship is worthless. This sub had become a toxic cesspool of racism thanks to a few trolls, who've been banned. If you have a problem with that, or the concept of moderation on Internet forums, you can kindly fuck off from r/philly and from reddit.
    [–]my_name_is_the_DUDE 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    Can someone at least link any of this "toxicity" or "racism". I've been subbed here a couple years, never that active, and mostly all I've seen has been pretty pictures of Philly.
    [–]Simon_the_CannibalOld Kenzo -2 points-1 points0 points  (0 children)
    Oh, you're conflating me with u/gk128.
    He's the one who bans people for a good reason edit: the reasons you listed. I've been banning people because they didn't include pictures of tits in their comments.
    [–]MrNotSpecified 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Nice derailing there. It's very apparent that the OP is not defending that shit. He was defending the right to make arguments and hold ideologies, death threats aren't either of those.
    [–]oscarasimov -3 points-2 points-1 points  (1 child)
    ugh welcome to the internet bro
    [–]KFCConspiracyStrawberry Mansion Development Committee Member 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Really people should tolerate death threats and racial slurs? What the fuck is wrong with you
    [–]oscarasimov 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    preach
    [–]attabuoy -1 points0 points1 point  (6 children)
    my friend just sent me this They're already banning anyone that disagrees with them. Fucking ridiculous.
    [–]Simon_the_CannibalOld Kenzo[M] 1 point2 points3 points  (5 children)
    You could have asked - I would have gladly told you I banned them for the fuck of it.
    In fact, I'm going to ban you because the image you used wasn't of tits.
    [–]HiltonSouth 1 point2 points3 points  (2 children)
    damn you are really gaining people's trust here
    [–]Simon_the_CannibalOld Kenzo 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
    I'm a man of my word! :)
    [–]Jawn_ValjortsThe shad is my spirit animal 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    He did post the rules...
    [–]MrNotSpecified -1 points0 points1 point  (1 child)
    I'll take Mods on Power Trip for $800, Alex.
    [–]Simon_the_CannibalOld Kenzo 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    This Mod originally hails from Youngstown, Ohio, and moved to Philadelphia in 2009.
    [–]ChrissMariNative now in Point Breeze -3 points-2 points-1 points  (1 child)
    Shut up.
    [–]vladimirlemonSpruce Hill -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
    Hurr durr delete your account
    [–]Darth_Deckard 10 points11 points12 points  (0 children)
    Good work! Fuck those fucking dbaggers!
    [–]Moruitelda 8 points9 points10 points  (0 children)
    You've hit /r/all. Fucking amen. Respect.
    [–]man_slave 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
    I'm glad you get to decide for me whether a stance is legitimate or not!
    [–]TheChallange 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
    Not from philly but good for you guys. Fuck those people!
    [–]evil_INDEEDGrad Hospital 3 points4 points5 points  (13 children)
    This sub is a liberal echo chamber, and as a libertarian I fear getting banned for "saying the wrong thing." If I say I support Trump and am against the sugary drinks tax am I considered an alt-right fascist? The line needs to be clearly drawn so that well thought out, dissenting opinions are not censored.
    [–]TheZabadabadoo 29 points30 points31 points  (5 children)
    I think the general thoughts are: dont be racist and don't be an asshole.
    [–]Shit___Taco 10 points11 points12 points  (1 child)
    Then why not just say, I am banning people who are racist. Why even bring r/the_don into this.
    [–]KFCConspiracyStrawberry Mansion Development Committee Member 16 points17 points18 points  (0 children)
    Because 99% of the shit comes with Donald meme or douchebags with pede in their name.
    [–]evil_INDEEDGrad Hospital 5 points6 points7 points  (2 children)
    Sure, but to a great many people simply supporting Trump brands you a racist asshole, and nothing you say matters because you're the said racist asshole.
    [–]Jawn_ValjortsThe shad is my spirit animal 19 points20 points21 points  (0 children)
    The people who were banned weren't banned for supporting Trump, /u/phillypede is still here, they were banned for overt racism.
    [–]Trexrunner 2 points3 points4 points  (1 child)
    Oh, please. Clearly you've never seen a post about unions or gentrification on this sub. It overwhelmingly leans towards a conservative bent (my comments included).
    [–]evil_INDEEDGrad Hospital 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Respectfully disagree.
    [–]gilthanan 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
    What fucking sub have these guys been coming too? I mean ever since Treyvon if you felt this sub was liberal you need to get a God damn grip.
    [–]Simon_the_CannibalOld Kenzo 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
    Comments older than three or so hours are actual folks from r/Philadelphia. Then we got hit by r/The_Donald and later r/all.
    [–]surfnsoundGovernor Elect of NJ -1 points0 points1 point  (1 child)
    As a libertarian do you actually support Trump or are you just using that as an example of something that could potentially get you banned? Because Trump is about as authoritarian as they come.
    [–]evil_INDEEDGrad Hospital 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    An example that could get someone banned. I support Trump insofar as he is the POTUS and I hope he does well. He gets the benefit of the doubt from me until he doesn't. Backing out of the TPP is a good start.
    [–]TigerMeltz 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
    My grandmom fought the Bund back in the 30's. It would be my pleasure to continue the family tradition.
    [–]Struevesant 6 points7 points8 points  (0 children)
    Bravo.
    [–]Thecrawsome 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
    Yeah, it really made this sub bad for a couple months. Good move.
    Most of these people can't properly add to a conversation, can't handle criticism, speak only in criticism, and spout generalities and are nationalistic rhetoric, and they're just angry at everything that isn't their confirmation bias.
    It's almost like they look up a logical fallacy chart and started checking stuff off in every reply they make.
    [–]Airway 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
    Never been to this sub; I'm from Minnesota. Just wanted to say good job, you're doing the right thing. Fuck those scumbags, their subs should have been banned a long time ago.
    [–]TheProfessor01Art Museum Area 3 points4 points5 points  (1 child)
    Gk is the man.
    [–]Jawn_ValjortsThe shad is my spirit animal 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Glad to have you back professor!
    [–]sprag80 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
    Good move. Get this filth out of here. They always have 4chan.
    [–]tb651175 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
    Thanks
    [–]WildGooseCarolinianChestnut Hill 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
    Damn right. Thanks for the good work. Ban away.
    [–]voxhumano 6 points7 points8 points  (0 children)
    HUGE SUPPORT. THANKS!
    [–]JohSpell 4 points5 points6 points  (1 child)
    These users are definitely threatening the /r/philadelphia way of life. If only there was a good way to keep track of them, like some sort of troll registry...
    [–]KFCConspiracyStrawberry Mansion Development Committee Member 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    First they came for the trolls...
    [–]Guinevere_naberrieSheetz is better than Wawa 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
    Thank you!!
    [–]grrrando 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
    🙌🏻 it's not a legitimate stance is correct. spewing hate for the sake of spewing hate isn't a belief, it's a behavioral disorder.
    [–]theirishcampfire 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
    Amen! Good on you!
    [–]thanksbastards 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
    Thank you
    [–]KingOf42ndStreet 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
    Thank you, they've been annoying lately.
    [–]Cannot_go_back_now 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    About time someone takes a stand, thanks for being a good mod, and I'm just visiting from r/all.
    [–]Larrygiggles 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Thank you, it's appreciated!
    [–]Psuphilly#10 John LeClair 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
    Fucking thank you
    [–]frappucin0 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
    Not a regular visitor to this sub but just wanted to thank you. If Reddit moved to ban more of these social misfits site-wide it would be better for everyone.
    [–]cafe_frankenstein 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
    THANK YOU. About time.
    [–]PhilaJunto 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
    Thank you!!!
    [–]eaglesfan14 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
    Good work.
    [–]FYIAV 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
    This is not about differing political opinions.
    👌
    [–]colliemayne 1 point2 points3 points  (7 children)
    I'm not a liberal am I still allowed to sub?
    [–]TheGirlwThePinkHair 31 points32 points33 points  (1 child)
    Are you a nazi?
    [–]EvilShayton 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
    Why is "are you a nazi?" seem to be such a difficult question?
    [–]FordimanLansdale 9 points10 points11 points  (0 children)
    Well, lessee... the requirement is race-centric alt-right, read as "neo-nazi". Unless you're that, I suspect you are still allowed to sub.
    [–]eric22vhs 7 points8 points9 points  (0 children)
    I'm a classical liberal, but you'd think I was hitler by the way this sub responds to any sign of skepticism to their ban happy attitudes.
    [–]lurkonly_man 2 points3 points4 points  (1 child)
    You could... or you could move to jersey.
    (Mods is this acceptable light-hearted trollin'?)
    [–]Apocalvps 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
    I think telling someone to go to jersey counts as mean
    [–]redwoodser -4 points-3 points-2 points  (7 children)
    thanks for telling the little fascists to fuck themselves. if you want this office chair, SERIOUS, let me know, it will be delivered to your location, or somewhere near you. i remember reading a while ago about how you worked from home (sometimes) and didn't have a comfortable chair.
    edit: if you u/gk128 ban these dumb bitches you could win the following
    u/capnjack78 Puch Moped 456 Flight
    u/Jawn_Valjorts Kawasaki Enduro 250 XL
    u/justdrop Winnebago Motor Home 35' Fleetline.
    [–]SluggedPoint Breeze 5 points6 points7 points  (3 children)
    I feel left out :( I even accidentally posted some information about you once that should have gotten me site-wide banned and still no mention?! :'(
    [–]TaconyJawn 2 points3 points4 points  (1 child)
    I think you are worth at least a razor scooter
    [–]SluggedPoint Breeze 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    Right? I'm sure he's got at least a bicycle he bought on craiglist that would be worth trading for banning my uneducated brainwashed ass.
    [–]N-ms 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
    Thank you! I hope more subs follow your lead! I have hated watching their ugly often open racism and xenophobia and all around shittyness seep in to other subs. Its never been truer but misery loves company and you can just tell that these are the most miserable pieces of shit out there.
    Edit: Also I have never been to Philly but I once worked with a crew from there and they were Chill as Fuck!
    [–]Deactivator2 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    I don't sub here, and I usually hate your sports teams (get fucked, Flyers. Iggles, I respect you enough to not hate you), and I just came across this from r/all.
    That said, way to fucking go. Not enough subs are taking this sort of stance, and you're absolutely right that Reddit as a whole needs to crack down on this kind of bullshit.
    [–]anydentity 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
    Fully support this.
    [–]returnofgreatgibbon -12 points-11 points-10 points  (2 children)
    Sounds like you have a problem with free speech.
    as soon as you start linking or talking in alt-right talking points you can fuck right off.
    In other words, if you express politically incorrect opinions and link to sources that support your views, you'll be banned.
    This is political censorship, plain and simple. Saying "it's not censorship if I really disagree with the people I'm censoring" isn't an argument - it's impudence and dishonesty.
    [–]MeEatPaint 10 points11 points12 points  (0 children)
    I think it's just because most of T_D linking is to pretty hurtful shit that isn't relevant nor true in a lot of cases
    [–]bunnypaos 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
    Why would you presume that the first amendment applies to an independently moderated forum hosted by a privately owned website? If you want to exercise free speech, bring your soapbox to a government-approved free speech zone.
    [–]xGetSweatyx -2 points-1 points0 points  (5 children)
    TLDR: Everyone I dont like is a Nazi
    [–]Lnozell 8 points9 points10 points  (0 children)
    It's fine, everyone who disagrees with you is a cuck.
    I can strawman too!
    [–]PolishHeadlock 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Whoa
    [–]Jawn_ValjortsThe shad is my spirit animal 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    I hear it'll be jorts season in a few months...
    [–]Hermaphrotitties 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Quash this
    [–]TripleSkeetSouth Philly 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    So...we cant be mean anymore? Are we still allowed to send newbies to Woodys?
    [–]rzorangerz -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
    Proud to live in Philly on this blessed day.
    [–]smatty_2001 -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
    I think more mods, in more subreddits should do the same. Banning someone for being an asshle isn't squashing dissent, it's stopping someone who is being an asshle. Thanks.
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