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/r/Philadelphia, Trolling, and Alt-Right/Neo-Nazi's (self.philadelphia)

gk128New Donk City?![M] が 投稿 - announcement

So I banned a bunch of alt-right/neo-nazi assholes last night.

These fucks have been slowly taking over more and more of Reddit, and lately they've been more vocal here in /r/philadelphia.

I'm done with this bullshit. If you bring that in this sub you will be banned. I banned most of the people I thought were toxic. I did not ban some others. That does not mean they are safe, but they don't post /r/the_donald bullshit in every thread.

We have always been lax on trolling and would like to continue to be. Trolling can be funny or it can be mean. No more mean trolling.

This is not about differing political opinions. I will argue all day, but as soon as you start linking or talking in alt-right talking points you can fuck right off. It is not a legitimate stance. Period. We are not going to let alt-right/neo-nazi fucks take over this sub, and I wish Reddit admins would start banning their toxic subs.

Have a problem with any of this? You don't have to post here.

REMINDER: If you see something you think needs to be looked at by a mod REPORT IT. We will see things much faster that way.

UPDATE: Once again this is not about squashing opposing views. This is about the recent mean spirited trolling that has come from people with 'pede' in their username or some form of racist / political extremism. You have all seen it over the last month. If you are a normal poster you will be fine. If you start trolling every thread like some of these guys were you will join them.

UPDATE 2: I don't give a shit if you are alt-right or a neo-nazi, but you can do that shit elsewhere. The fact that so many think we should allow hate speech is pretty shocking. Take it elsewhere. We don't need it here.

EDIT: Thanks for the gold, but don't waste it on me, I still have like 4 years from buying Alien Blue.

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[–]Simon_the_CannibalOld Kenzo[M] [スコア非表示] stickied comment (24子コメント)

Those of you complaining that u/gk128 is being a fascist monster should know that he's the nice one. I tend to ban people for Rule 9 and Rule 20.

Any replies that don't follow Rule 31 will be removed.

Also, I'm surprised I haven't been subjected to Rule 35 yet, given that I've yet to discover any Rule 34 for myself.

Hello r/all folks! We're a bunch of idiots. If you don't know about the death threats, you probably shouldn't comment. You're less likely to get banned if you include tits in your post.

[–]mountjo 524 ポイント525 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Thank you.

[–]belisaurius 64 ポイント65 ポイント  (3子コメント)

GK gets a lot of shit, but I think our little community here is doing alright.

[–]Hi_friendz 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

community here is doing altright.

ftfy

[–]Bokonomy 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I dunno why, they seem pretty reasonable...?

[–]belisaurius 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (0子コメント)

GK is a vocal person. And so sometimes his personal beliefs are construed to be the beliefs and motivations of the moderation team. So, a vocal minority here are unable to move past his stridency and see that his actions as a moderator, rather than a community member, are entirely reasonable and taken for the health of the subreddit as a whole.

[–]8Drawgo flyers. 220 ポイント221 ポイント  (55子コメント)

The real irony is the outspoken racists calling every sub they get banned from a "safe space" are going to have to scurry off to some dark echochamber once we give em the boot.

[–]dragoncockles 50 ポイント51 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yet they go and create a sub where civil disagreement is a bannable offense. I don't think you know what a safe space is guys

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    [–]ghost_of_deaf_ninjaBrewerytown 272 ポイント273 ポイント  (100子コメント)

    My man.

    Agree 100% admins need to start cracking down on this bullshit. /r/The_Donald is where the /r/CoonTown folks retreated to with their throwaways once the sub was banned, and are only slightly more closeted with their racism. You can tell thanks to their strange fascination with cuckoldry, which really has nothing to do with politics and was a reoccurring theme in /r/CoonTown.

    Edit: Phrasing and words

    Another Edit: Strange fascination I tell ya

    [–]Liesmith 168 ポイント169 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    About damn time! Thanks!! Give'em an inch and they'll think they can start burning crosses.

    [–]PatrickSprayze"Sugar babies" 41 ポイント42 ポイント  (16子コメント)

    I'd like to point out little baby Brolonoius deleted and reactivated his account in less than 24 hours. Even Redwoodser had more willpower.

    [–]Bokonomy 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Has redwoodser been more reasonable lately or something? Because I think the are bigger problems on here than him.

    [–]TheFAPnetworkdo youse goys order eh temayteh poy? 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    He banned himself from this sub. You can try linking him but that doesn't work most times

    [–]7744666west philly troll crew 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    He came back though, posting in this very thread.

    [–]tenta_shark_man 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (10子コメント)

    Ban Brolonious.

    [–]TheFAPnetworkdo youse goys order eh temayteh poy? 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (9子コメント)

    Tbf they're okay. Phillypede came into question tho. Then again I haven't seen racist stuff from them either

    [–]ikenjake#HINKIE 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Phillypede doesn't seem like a nazi, just a south Philly style conservative, which in this case means loud and obnoxious.

    [–]SluggedPoint Breeze 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    He's a center city elitist conservative, just like /u/green_go5

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      [–]SluggedPoint Breeze 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      You can reactivate a deleted account?

      [–]MelissajoanshartPoint Breeze 36 ポイント37 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      👏👏

      [–]turbonegro81063 86 ポイント87 ポイント  (10子コメント)

      Stop calling them Alt Right. They are scumbag, degenerate, low class Neo-FUCKING-Nazis

      [–]Ohnana_ 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Neo-neo-nazis. The old neo nazis had an image problem. These guys don't.

      [–]RevTom 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I liked what Aziz Ansari called them on SNL. the lowercase kkk

      [–]Guardian_4521 hour away 29 ポイント30 ポイント  (5子コメント)

      BASH

      [–]Airway 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Keep calling them Alt-Right, so T_D knows they're in bed with /r/altright, the sub for literal nazis.

      [–]thescarwar 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Holy shit what a cesspool in there

      [–]tjw105 83 ポイント84 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      They weren't trolling they were just passionately elaborating on alternative facts. /s

      It's saying something when an entire political movement (albeit a minority) has to differentiate themselves from neo-nazi's.

      [–]RetroRN 84 ポイント85 ポイント  (7子コメント)

      Sounds great to me! They can always create another Philly subreddit if they wish to

      [–]the_hoagie 69 ポイント70 ポイント  (2子コメント)

      Nice.

      [–]jdb12 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Good thing you're not a troll. I'm not sure how this sub would react to banning "the_hoagie".

      [–]gimpwiz 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Where's that meme of two buttons and a guy struggling to choose?

      [–]starstar420 35 ポイント36 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Thanks!

      [–]PhilliesJawnDrexel 48 ポイント49 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Thank you. I'm a conservative and I can't stand these clowns trolling every subreddit, not only annoying the shit out of people, but also giving non-asshole, and non-racist conservatives a bad name. I'm all for free speech but when it becomes harassment something needs to be done.

      [–]cerialthriller 57 ポイント58 ポイント  (107子コメント)

      whats an alt-right talking point? I dont really follow and of the the donald stuff since i have it filtered and honestly ive kind of always just thought all of this "alt-right" talk people on the left just categorizing things they didnt like hearing as "alt-right nazis" because pretty much any post on politics will have people claiming anything from racial genocide to not having free birthcontrol as "alt-right"

      [–]standaafghan 134 ポイント135 ポイント  (105子コメント)

      alt-right = white nationalism.

      Some on the left started calling right-wing policies "alt-right," policies. Like calling a Republican a nazi in previous years.

      Like: "People on food stamps are just suckling on the teat of hardworking Americans." Is kinda dickish, but not inherently racist.

      As opposed to: "Do you think it's a coincidence that the parts of cities that are full of minorities are also full of crime? I mean, these people are animals that need to get with American culture."

      See, the first one is just Ayn Rand nonsense, the actual alt-right stuff is Adolf Hitler nonsense.

      [–]cerialthriller 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (69子コメント)

      so say if someone were opposed to ACA, im not personally, but if you said nobody should have Affordable healthcare you wouldnt be alt right, but if you said only white people should have affordable healthcare then it is alt-right? What about if you dont believe women should be allowed to get free birth control or be allowed to have abortions, ive seen that called alt right a lot but there is no race involved. For the record im pro-choice and conflicted on free birth control (not from a moral stand point).

      [–]gk128New Donk City?![S] 113 ポイント114 ポイント  (22子コメント)

      Saying " I don't support X is fine.

      Saying "I don't support X and fuck all those poor dirty <race> who are sucking my tax dollars" is less fine.

      [–]standaafghan 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (44子コメント)

      Exactly, those are social policies. The right believes in a kind of "every man for himself," ideology, and also has a strong moral / religious foundation. Abortion is not a matter of a woman's freedom, and ability to choose what to do with her body. The right is not necessarily against women's bodily integrity. Their anti-abortion stance is based in the moral / religious argument that they are taking the life of human that has a soul / spirit.

      The alt-right is race politics. American is facing its current woes because we've let in too many immigrants. Immigrants that are diluting the bloodline of the superior white race. People of European ancestry are the true proprietors of the United States, and people of other ethnic backgrounds (even if they are born here) are just visitors who need to stay out of our way and stop sucking up the white man's resources. We don't want to kill all the "others." We just want to send them back to "where they came from," or place them in a status of secondary citizenship.

      Right-wing politics is a legitimate theory of governance that comes up with solutions to issues that society faces (I think they're wrong, but they're honest in their beliefs).

      Alt-right politics is just white supremacy masquerading as an actual political movement. They know that nobody will take them seriously if they call themselves neo-nazis, so they re-branded, traded in the jean shorts and leather jackets for suits and the shaved heads for stylish haircuts.

      If someone is calling you alt-right because you have beliefs that fall on the right side of the political spectrum they are either a)Parroting a word that they don't understand, or b)Trying to control the argument by calling you a racist/fascist.

      [–]cerialthriller 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (42子コメント)

      i mean i dont believe in open borders and think we shouldnt be taking in tons of refugees, but that isnt to do with race, i think we need to take care of americans first, of all races. I also don't really think muslim ideals and ways of life are really all that compatible with the western way of life, if they want to come here to be an american and live like we do and escape that kind of life its fine, but i dont think we should be changing our way of life to make them feel more comfortable living like they would over there.

      [–]standaafghan 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (27子コメント)

      I'm not the arbiter of political slant or anything, but your stance on immigration sounds like what I would consider vanilla republican with a sprinkling of nationalism.

      I disagree with you, but I don't think you hate brown people. :)

      [–]cerialthriller 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (26子コメント)

      i just dont see why we would take in people from outside the US and give them money and support, meanwhile we have thousands and thousands of people here that are homeless and sick that are just being told basically to deal with it. and then they get to watch some other family get shipped into a house and given money and support getting jobs and all that.

      [–]standaafghan 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (9子コメント)

      I'm confident that if we made them a priority, the USA could solve both problems.

      [–]cerialthriller 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (8子コメント)

      i mean why dont we though? The Right is concerned with not helping outsiders and the Left is more concerned with helping outsiders than those of us at home and throw around terms like xenophobia and nationism as an excuse to not help our homeless

      [–]PracticingMyDadJokes 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (6子コメント)

      That's not true. I'm a far (far, far...far) lefty. And I believe that the US can take care of it's own poverty issue very easily by addressing education standards, minimum wage and encouraging companies to invest in socially and economically depressed areas (like west Philly, Chester and Camden).

      That said, I believe that we are human beings before we are Americans, and that we should all be doing what we can within our means to help people in need, no matter where they were born.

      [–]cerebralscrub44 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (3子コメント)

      My fucking god. You know, I would a be a lot more receptive of the "take care of our homeless and sick before caring for immigrants or refugees" bullshit, even though it does engender bullshit nationalism and xenophobia, if conservatives who keep saying it actually gave a single solitary fuck about the poor or homeless by supporting policies that functionally address poverty and homelessness.

      [–]johnwayne420 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      You don't believe in pragmatism? You don't believe that it could be possible that something is a higher priority? 19 trillion dollars in debt the nation is. Soon the payment schedule will be the third highest expense. Maybe you still see social programs as more important than fiscal responsibility but I, and many conservatives, simply don't. Furthermore, if we are to add new social programs surely they should benefit citizens and not foreign nationals. If you can find a lack of ethical integrity in my stance, please share.

      [–]cerebralscrub44 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      There is no higher priority than justice for the oppressed, no. The American incarceration-industrial complex is unconscionable. Widespread poverty and homelessness in America is unconscionable when we have an economic system that allows people who do nothing to get fabulously rich. The war on drugs, discriminatory housing policies, and the disgusting way we treat our mentally and physically sick is absolutely indefensible. I could go on but you care more about your pocketbook than your fellow citizens so I won't.

      [–]cerialthriller 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      i dont consider myself a conservative, but not a progressive either, and i support ACA and other things to help our poor and sick so I'm not sure why its bullshit that I wish we would spend more fixing our own citizens problems. And what is wrong with wishing your country would fix it own problems?

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        [–]stphilistine 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        i think we need to take care of americans first, of all races

        you are absolutely right, but a little misguided about how things actually work. you are presenting this as the type of dilemma where for every 1 refugee we take in, that's 1 homeless person that stays homelesss/hungry. in reality there are many things that displace both in terms of where we spend money.

        changing our way of life

        I see this right-wing talking point a lot and don't really understand it. Maybe because I Philly (or at least my neighborhood) doesn't have a whole lot of Muslim people. But I've never felt like my way of life has been threatened by the presence of Muslims, and haven't really seen any evidence for that in this country.

        [–]cerialthriller 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        No it's not a one for one thing but we aren't doing much to improve our own schools, workers and overall conditions for lower classes but we are attempting to do the same for people who aren't here paying taxes, mean while people are being taxed because they want to drink a soda or almond milk.

        As for changing our way of life, we've been seeing this in Europe where the majority of refugees are going to with things like schools being sued for making refugees take classes with males and having coed swimming and such. Another good example is with a few towns in the Toms River area being bought up by Hasidic Jewish families to the degree that they've gotten full governments of Hasidic Jewish people and have started segregating public schools again between male and female and non Jews are threatened out of their houses. I do t think any extremist or hardline religious people fit in here and I feel that religious people who are moderate it the Mid East are probably very hardline to us.

        [–]BrightGreenLEDWelcome to DE... 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (11子コメント)

        Realistically, all extreme religious views are against the western way of life. That's one of the big reasons for the separation of Church and state. So if you are going to claim that Islamic ideals don't work in america, you should say the same about Christian ideals or Jewish ideals or any other religious ideals.

        [–]cerialthriller 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (10子コメント)

        I completely agree. I just think Middle East moderate is not moderate here.

        [–]BrightGreenLEDWelcome to DE... 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (9子コメント)

        Have you ever encountered Middle East moderate? Also, you do realize that the majority of practicing Muslims aren't even from the Middle East? The people you hear about on the news and such have been and probably always will be the extremists and the ultra conservatives. Maybe you should actually encounter some moderate Muslims before passing judgement since it sounds like you haven't seen any outside of your tv screen.

        [–]cerialthriller 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (8子コメント)

        I'm talking about people coming here from the Middle East. What are you even talking about with people not from the Middle East it's irrelevant to the conversation

        [–]BrightGreenLEDWelcome to DE... 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (7子コメント)

        No, your exact words were

        I also don't really think muslim ideals and ways of life are really all that compatible with the western way of life

        [–]UncleTogie 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        also has a strong moral / religious foundation.

        They claim to be Christian, and then ignore everything that Christ suggested they do. I'd suggest that it's all show, and no action when it comes to their morals.

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          [–]c0ld-- 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (18子コメント)

          Some on the left

          For me, it seems like the "Alt-right" label is the most popular Liberal/Leftist launchpad for a rebuttal to a conservative argument.

          "I don't want my tax dollars paying for birth control."

          "Of course you wouldn't, Alt-Right Nazi troll!"

          Like, I get that some people come into discussions to rile people up by using inappropriate language or false/misleading information, but the hyper-labeling of opposing views seems to have overruled any discourse for civil discussions. It's the bane of the current popularity of identity politics.

          [–]joshTheGoods 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (3子コメント)

          You're doing exactly what you're complaining about: being dismissive based solely on a label. Alt-right is clear and distinct from conservative, and there's plenty of good legitimate discussion of that above.

          On the flip side of this... there's a good reason why some people will mistake alt-right for "conservative" ... and that's because the alt-right is essentially a subset of the conservative side of the political house. It is what it is, and guilt by association is a thing.

          [–]c0ld-- 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

          You're doing exactly what you're complaining about

          Not true. You are confusing my having a problem with a large portion of people misappropriating a label onto political discussions, with the fallacy of blanket judging an entire group of people (hint: the key phrase is "seems like").

          I'm making a complaint that I'm seeing the growth in popularity of fallacious responses to opposing views as "alt-right" when there isn't evidence of someone being alt-right simply by extrapolating what a person generally says in a small online quote (hence my small example).

          guilt by association is a thing

          Nor is it a justification for an illogical argument.

          [–]joshTheGoods 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

          Not true.

          I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. When you start talking about "leftists" and "their most popular rebuttal" I tend to see that as using a label and a bunch of preconceived notions to come to a conclusion. You're essentially saying that if someone from the left calls someone else alt-right the "most popular" reason they did it is not because they have some evidence to support their position, but because they've misunderstood the terminology. It can't be that they have made a legitimate observation, it's that they're ignorant. Where's the logic in that? If you're extrapolating from your experiences of "leftists" then why can't the "leftist" extrapolate from their experiences with the alt-right to come to quicker judgements on who they're conversing with?

          [–]c0ld-- 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Where's the logic in that?

          Notice how I earlier said "seems like"? That's to imply the overall feeling I get, and not a literal interpretation of reality. I think we actually agree — except on your argument of my interpretation as my literal gospel, which it's not. It's simply a complaint about popular behavior. I can just as easily modify my complaint to fit any other large political house as we are currently under siege from identity politics.

          [–]standaafghan 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (10子コメント)

          alt-right / nazi is used by those on the left to control the discourse. libtard / marxist is used by those on the right to control discourse.

          It's really troubling because social marxism and fascism are dangerous, but jerks who can't be bothered to support their arguments with facts keep watering them down.

          The idea that people would be compelled to use particular pronouns is a terrifying overreach of government. The idea that gender disphoria is a thing, and a person with a penis could identify as a female is not terrifying.

          The idea that the government would keep a registry of a specific religious group is a terrifying overreach. The idea that the government would want to vet, very carefully, people entering the country from a warzone is not terrifying.

          The false equivalency of moderate ideas with extreme ones is a problem. I don't have a solution, just complaining.

          [–]Alexnader- 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (9子コメント)

          r/altright would disagree with you. Seriously that sub is full of self described neo-nazis. Check their top posts, 'upvoats for our boys in black' , has a picture of the wehrmacht.

          Altright is not a label used by the left to control discourse (or at least not totally), it's a real movement that seeks to subvert right wing politics and bring about a new rise of fascism. They actually discuss how to do this regularly.

          Luckily tho they're mostly just sad wehraboos with superiority complexes and no real power.

          [–]FlowCannon 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (8子コメント)

          Except we don't define a term by the content of what's it's "Reddit subreddit" is about. Correct me if I'm wrong, but hasn't the media essentially lumped all Trump supporters into the "alt-right" bucket?

          [–]Alexnader- 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (7子コメント)

          I'm not basing this solely off the subreddit's opinion. Here's what the media thinks of the term.

          the style guide of the Associated Press warned the "so-called 'alt-right' movement" is a label "currently embraced by some white supremacists and white nationalists ... It is not well known and the term may exist primarily as a public-relations device to make its supporters' actual beliefs less clear and more acceptable to a broader audience. In the past we have called such beliefs racist, neo-Nazi or white supremacist."

          The movements founder is a fascist.

          The alt-right, or alternative right, is a loose group of people with far-right ideologies who reject mainstream conservatism in the United States. White nationalist Richard Spencer coined the term in 2010 to define a movement centered on white nationalism, and has been accused of doing so to whitewash overt racism, white supremacism, and neo-Nazism.

          Right wing media has applied the label to the trump campaign and the trump campaign didnt seem upset by it.

          The term drew considerable media attention and controversy during the 2016 presidential election, particularly after Trump appointed Breitbart News chair Steve Bannon, who has called Breitbart "the platform for the alt-right," CEO of the Trump campaign in August.[26][27]

          (from Wikipedia)

          [–]FlowCannon 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (6子コメント)

          You didn't answer my main question. Are the majority of Trump supporters alt-right? And if not, what percentage of Trump supporters are alt-right? I ask because there's a completely different definition here, from Breitbart, Bannon & Milo Yiannopolous.

          [–]Alexnader- 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (5子コメント)

          You asked if the media has lumped trump supporters into the alt-right and I responded with 'yes and the trump campaign is fine with that'. Can't see anything in your first comment in this chain about whether trump supporters are objectively all members of the alt right or not.

          As for the alt-right = fascism part, the article you linked doesn't convincingly refute that.

          It still has Spencer as a founding member:

          The media empire of the modern-day alternative right coalesced around Richard Spencer during his editorship of Taki’s Magazine.

          Still has white supremacy as it's overriding goal (albeit dressed in fancy language)

          They are mostly white, mostly male middle-American radicals, who are unapologetically embracing a new identity politics that prioritises the interests of their own demographic.

          The article relegates the most rabid of the alt-right to the realm of the minority "1488ers" but in reality the rhetoric used to describe the so called moderate alt right members is steeped in fascism. Prioritisation of tradition and culture above all else. Racial discrimination by seeking policies that serve only the interests of (in this case) white individuals. A "confrontational" style of discourse that breaks from "political correctness".

          the alt-right openly crack jokes about the Holocaust, loudly — albeit almost entirely satirically — expresses its horror at “race-mixing,” and denounces the “degeneracy” of homosexuals… while inviting Jewish gays and mixed-race Breitbart reporters to their secret dinner parties

          Fascism openly embraces self contradiction. Fact becomes stranger than fiction and the two become indistinguishable. The alt right espouses the purification of the unclean while never actually committing to the ideal, because it doesn't need to. Merely making these prejudices publicly acceptable is enough to win power within its bigoted base.

          [–]FlowCannon 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (4子コメント)

          In your own personal opinion, what percent of Trump's 62 million voters fall into the "alt-right" category? Ballpark it.

          [–]stphilistine 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          I think a lot of the problem I see (and I read a decent amount of legitimate conservative media) is that there isn't a lot of momentum to distance conservatism from the alt right. It's hard to ignore how the alt right became a dominant voice of political discourse during Trump's ascent, and a stark lack of republicans denouncing it.

          I see where your coming from, that hyper-labelling tends to have the effect of silencing discussion on both sides. Calling someone alt-right for espousing vanilla conservative views like "I don't want tax dollars to pay for birth control" is wrong. Calling someone alt-right for espousing white supremacist views like a commitment to "Make America White Again"(actual post at the top of /r/altright rn) is a-ok.

          Because at the end of the day the only time you should be worried about mislabeling a nazi is when you're toe-tagging their body.

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            [–]eric22vhs 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (9子コメント)

            What if the second statement is followed by an explanation of the link between crime and poverty, and the struggle of minority communities to break out of poverty after a long history of oppression? Because then it sounds more like regular history class stuff..

            It still sounds to me like you guys aren't mature enough to have discussions on this stuff, so you're just writing off everything as white nationalism or whatever and trying to censor.

            [–]standaafghan 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (4子コメント)

            What if the second statement is followed by an explanation of the link between crime and poverty...

            I think that statement would be contradictory to the one calling them animals and placing the blame squarely on them. That's the specific reason I put it in there.

            If I replaced the second part of the second statement with your statement that would be history class stuff.

            Tying crime to race rather than poverty is the white nationalism.

            Did you read my comment, or even your own?

            [–]eric22vhs 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (3子コメント)

            I read it, and had a relevant and important response, which you addressed... Clearly I read it, stop being a little baby.

            [–]Akuze25 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            What if the second statement is followed by an explanation of the link between crime and poverty, and the struggle of minority communities to break out of poverty after a long history of oppression?

            But they never are, the conversation just ends there. To them, poor minorities are downtrodden they "deserve it" or "do it to themselves" without looking at the larger social and economic issues that cause these things (conversely they're taught to believe that rich people are apparently rich because they, too, deserve it, despite any individual circumstances). They aren't interested in solving that problem because to them the only problem is that these people exist, not that society is manufactured and conditioned to keep them destitute. They want them out of the picture, not part of society. That is why they are rightly called nazis.

            [–]craftycthonius 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

            Possibly because neonazis like to conveniently leave out that third part that notes how oppression dominant groups inflict on others is what creates and helps perpetuate these conditions, putting the blame on affected minorities rather than those affecting them.

            It's no stretch to assume that should one actually continue the thought process to conclusion rather than end it early to shift blame it would be allowed as that wouldn't be racist.

            [–]man_slave 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Black on black crime has a much higher incidence than any other race on race crime. But don't worry I understand that it's because they're poor and uneducated?

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              [–]deadly_inhale 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

              My big concern is the question "is alt-right a term that could be used to describe non white-nationalism"

              Could it just be a political stance apart from racist policies. And if so isn't this just a backdoor way to ban an ideology certain people dislike.

              [–]dustlesswalnut 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

              "Alt-right" was coined by Richard Spencer, one of the intellectual leaders of the group, it wasn't coined as a pejorative by the left.

              [–]standaafghan 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

              I didn't mean to say that it was invented by the left as a pejorative term, but I can see how you got that from my comment.

              What I meant was that being called alt-right in 2017 is like being called a Nazi previously.

              [–]socksdrugsnrocknroll 33 ポイント34 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Good on you! Thanks.

              [–]fjposter2 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              I never really visit /r/Philadelphia, are there any examples of some of the alt right/neo nazi people being banned, what did they say?

              [–]JollRoints 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Thanks!

              [–]Jawn_ValjortsThe shad is my spirit animal 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (3子コメント)

              Is nobody going to point out that OP used the possessive instead of the plural of "nazi"?

              [–]hiphopapotamus1 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Can we see examples of the trolling??

              [–]TigerMeltz 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              My grandmom fought the Bund back in the 30's. It would be my pleasure to continue the family tradition.

              [–]paradoxasauruser 33 ポイント34 ポイント  (9子コメント)

              THANK YOU! reddit has become a haven for these users, and they've made it clear that not only are their views inhumane and toxic, they're also not even coated in a veneer of intellectual thought (of course not; Nazism is not renowned for making actual sense), they just regurgitate memes and bullshit statistics, all while spreading their poison. I've gotten so drained from trying to explain this to sympathizers (folks who aren't Nazis but believe they should be permitted a platform) - no, they do not deserve a place to spout their nonsense, racist rhetoric. It is intrinsically aimed to expand to the physical realm and built around the dehumanization of innocent people, and the more we let it grow, the harder it will be to chop off its head when it inevitably reaches the point of "real world" (it already has in many places, such as Whitefish). I'm so frustrated that the admins don't do anything, as mods can't reliably deal with it, or don't want to, so I appreciate it that you do.

              Sorry, I get passionate about this. Not a fan of a platform given to people who want to curbstomp me for no reason.

              [–]Jawn_ValjortsThe shad is my spirit animal 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (1子コメント)

              I guess we'll be able to see who it was based on who comments in this thread.

              [–]eagleapexPassyunk Square 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (25子コメント)

              We are anti-fascist

              [–]Demopublican 27 ポイント28 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              I banned a bunch of alt-right/neo-nazi assholes last night.

              Good

              [–]ReturnOfThePing 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Just posting to check and see if I've been banned...

              [–]Happyfeet_I 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (10子コメント)

              So I'm not welcome if I support a certain politician? Not that r/the_Donald isn't' full of alt-right trolls, but not everyone that browses that subreddit fits that incredibly vague description. And to mention it at all tells me that this IS about differing political opinions. I just subscribed to show support for and to know more about what's going on in the city I live in, among a community I'm familiar with. But this sub has done nothing more then make me feel ostracized.

              [–]Ohnana_ 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (9子コメント)

              Nah, you can still support Trump. As long as you're not running around saying dumb bigoted shit, we don't really care. I'm a super duper mega lefty, and as long you meet that rule, you can support/vote for who you want as far as I am concerned.

              People like you are honestly my favorite kind of conservative, because you break the echo chamber without making me want to throttle you through the Internet :)

              [–]oscarasimov 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              As long as you're not running around saying dumb bigoted shit

              Yea but this is the issue, a non trivial number of trump opponents think disagreeing with them is intrinsically bigoted and dumb.

              Like people get assaulted for wearing trump hats because "they must be a racist". It's fucking nonsense.

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                [–]PhillypedeDonald J. Trump is your President 40 ポイント41 ポイント  (26子コメント)

                This is not about differing political opinions.

                I sure hope not!

                [–]gk128New Donk City?![S] 80 ポイント81 ポイント  (12子コメント)

                You're not an asshole... well you are, but you're not a nazi asshole.

                [–]HobbyPlodder 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (11子コメント)

                So are actual personal attacks something that mods are going to take action against now?

                It seems like there's a lot of shit slinging that is allowed in this sub without any repercussions. I know you have banned people in the past for making unsavory and unacceptable comments towards you, but is there any argument to made about similar 'toxic' language made against others?

                [–]gk128New Donk City?![S] 34 ポイント35 ポイント  (9子コメント)

                Report it. People have been banned for it in the past.

                Shit like "Kill Yourself" and "Drink Bleach" has been given 7 day bans for 1st offenses before.

                [–]capnjack78 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (7子コメント)

                But you guys have also selectively ignored those reports of personal attacks in the past, for your own amusement. And you let the attacks continue for months until they temporarily quit reddit, only to come back again.

                [–]gk128New Donk City?![S] 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (6子コメント)

                I'm not going to say we are perfect, and we have sure fucked up. However if something was brought to our attention I'm pretty sure we've said something or did something about it. If not we dun fucked up and that is something we hopefully don't have happen in the future.

                [–]capnjack78 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                It'd be nice if you guys could be consistent before that person gets out of hand again. I haven't recently seen them attack people like before, but I purposely avoid them because I expect it will happen.

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                  [–]HobbyPlodder 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Alright, will do!

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                    [–]flamehead2k1Fairmount 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (11子コメント)

                    Well you haven't been banned yet so they aren't going for all trump supporters

                    [–]Simon_the_CannibalOld Kenzo 44 ポイント45 ポイント  (5子コメント)

                    Yeah, there's a difference between "I support Trump" and "yes, faggot niggers taking over the sub is clearly the better choice", the latter being a pleasant note the mods just got.

                    [–]joenottoast 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                    often seems hard for some on the left to be willing to differentiate between those two people

                    [–]Simon_the_CannibalOld Kenzo 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                    That same difficulty seems to be present on the right as well.

                    [–]KFCConspiracyStrawberry Mansion Development Committee Member 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                    Neither is that twat /u/mutantturkey

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                      [–]Brioux[🍰] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Glad to see its getting rid of the extremists but still allowing differing political opinions.

                      [–]Rsubs33Point Breezy 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      /u/gk128 you da man. Have an upvote.

                      [–]samuel33334 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                      Can you tell us what these "alt right talking points" are?

                      [–]EastPhillyReal Fishtown 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      They seem to be going with "don't use racial slurs or talk about politics in a way that involves race as a point". But really it's hard to tell what they want.

                      It seems like "anyone who receives welfare should be drug tested" might fly but "to many minorities are abusing the welfare system" wouldn't. Maybe both would.

                      Also something about of you don't support abortions you are evil (that seems to be a hot topic).

                      [–]gibberingfoolCenter City East 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Finally! Thank you.

                      [–]hpliferaft 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Dude fucking FINALLY. Thanks for standing up for it.

                      [–]annoyinconquerer/r/philadelphia is filled with closet racists 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                      Cool with me.

                      [–]NoMeHableis 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Amen!!

                      [–]hollaburoo 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Thanks so much!!!

                      I figured this subreddit was just permanently overrun by nazis and was ready to unsubscribe.

                      [–]ericvulgaris 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Even though i don't live in philly anymore, I still check by here to see what's good.

                      Thanks for your hardwork, mods.

                      [–]attababyitsaboy 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      really appreciate it. well done.

                      [–]SpontaneousLightBulb 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Thanks for doing this, I had been hoping for this for some months now.

                      [–]Phillip_Pirrip 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Thanks! I mostly lurk here, but I've seen the uptick in shitty comments and appreciate the move to curb it.

                      [–]Darth_Deckard 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Good work! Fuck those fucking dbaggers!

                      [–]Murderers_Row_Boat 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Can we still make fun of them? Or is that banned too?

                      [–]hiphopapotamus1 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Test comment

                      edit. Good. My honest opinion was mixed in with racists. Having a differing opinion doesn't make you a nazi

                      [–]sprag80 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Good move. Get this filth out of here. They always have 4chan.

                      [–]erichiro 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      bye bye

                      [–]NotCobaltWolfUniversity City 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      slow clap

                      [–]iFartBubbles 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Thank you is was getting out of hand

                      [–]grrrando 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      🙌🏻 it's not a legitimate stance is correct. spewing hate for the sake of spewing hate isn't a belief, it's a behavioral disorder.

                      [–]beleca 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (16子コメント)

                      You start off by saying "trolling is fine, but we're not tolerating 'mean' trolling (whatever that means) anymore", but then you immediately go into, "I'll argue politics all day, but if you're alt-right, instead of arguing I'll just ban you." You can't set up the proposition "I'm pro-free speech, I'll just let arguments speak for themselves", and then immediately go "unless you have opinions I find objectionable, then I'll use censorship". None of your conclusions follow from your premises. It's literally like someone saying "Hey, I would let you park here, but you know what they say: 'don't touch the bacon when it's sleeping'".

                      This is the true authoritanism. Censorship without even the pretext of "just enforcing the rules". What people like you don't seem to realize is that with actions like these, you are driving more people towards the alt-right. Normal people look at this and go, "do I want to be on the side of the people who say what they really think and don't bow down to PC bullshit or anything else, or do I want to be on the side of the guy who wants to tell other people what they are and aren't allowed to say and think?" Censoring people you disagree with isn't just unamerican, but it shows weakness: it makes people think you couldn't win in a fair argument, so you cheat by silencing your opponent. Like I said, you're just pushing even more people into the alt-right because now they are the "anti-censorship, pro free speech" guys just by default, by comparison to you. Good job.

                      [–]eric22vhs 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (8子コメント)

                      Everything you wrote in bold hits the nail on the head. Personally, I'm liberal as hell, but I can't stand being on the side of people who aren't intellectually honest or want to silence their opponents. I know my ideas are strong because they hold up to criticism. I'm sure gk128 is a nice guy, or girl, in person, but I've seen their posts before, and they really don't seem mature enough to be modding a sub of this size, particularly a geographic sub that needs to be moderated for actual instances of harassment or racism or whatever, but ought to be left politically neutral.

                      If you want to mod a political echo chamber sub, that's all well and good, but don't try to turn /r/philadelphia into your political echo chamber.

                      [–]Jawn_ValjortsThe shad is my spirit animal 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Is isn't an issue of the freeze peaches you t_d types love to talk about and then completely unite in your own sub. This is an issue of outright racism, treats, and brigading destroying a local sub reddit. If you want open political discussion go somewhere else, if you want to talk about Philly issues without resorting to dog whistles or slurs then hang out here.

                      [–]Simon_the_CannibalOld Kenzo 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                      Who the fuck are you? What "arguments" are you referring to in this subreddit? Do you support the death threats u/gk128 has received over the past weeks?

                      [–]oscarasimov 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      preach

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                        [–]AnalJusticeStop Feeding Trolls 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        Thank fucking goodness!

                        [–]Moruitelda 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        You've hit /r/all. Fucking amen. Respect.

                        [–]evil_INDEEDGrad Hospital 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (8子コメント)

                        This sub is a liberal echo chamber, and as a libertarian I fear getting banned for "saying the wrong thing." If I say I support Trump and am against the sugary drinks tax am I considered an alt-right fascist? The line needs to be clearly drawn so that well thought out, dissenting opinions are not censored.

                        [–]TheZabadabadoo 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                        I think the general thoughts are: dont be racist and don't be an asshole.

                        [–]Shit___Taco 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        Then why not just say, I am banning people who are racist. Why even bring r/the_don into this.

                        [–]evil_INDEEDGrad Hospital 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                        Sure, but to a great many people simply supporting Trump brands you a racist asshole, and nothing you say matters because you're the said racist asshole.

                        [–]Jawn_ValjortsThe shad is my spirit animal 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        The people who were banned weren't banned for supporting Trump, /u/phillypede is still here, they were banned for overt racism.

                        [–]eyebrowcombover 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        100% this.

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                          [–]TheFAPnetworkdo youse goys order eh temayteh poy? 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                          I wonder who it was.

                          I troll, but not in a racist way. Most times I have something to say. Never alt-right tho.

                          [–]man_slave 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          I'm glad you get to decide for me whether a stance is legitimate or not!

                          [–]Cannot_go_back_now 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          About time someone takes a stand, thanks for being a good mod, and I'm just visiting from r/all.

                          [–]tb651175 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Thanks

                          [–]WildGooseCarolinianChestnut Hill 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Damn right. Thanks for the good work. Ban away.

                          [–]voxhumano 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          HUGE SUPPORT. THANKS!

                          [–]KingOf42ndStreet 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Thank you, they've been annoying lately.

                          [–]Thecrawsome 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Yeah, it really made this sub bad for a couple months. Good move.

                          Most of these people can't properly add to a conversation, can't handle criticism, speak only in criticism, and spout generalities and are nationalistic rhetoric, and they're just angry at everything that isn't their confirmation bias.

                          It's almost like they look up a logical fallacy chart and started checking stuff off in every reply they make.

                          [–]Airway 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Never been to this sub; I'm from Minnesota. Just wanted to say good job, you're doing the right thing. Fuck those scumbags, their subs should have been banned a long time ago.

                          [–]cafe_frankenstein 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          THANK YOU. About time.

                          [–]PhilaJunto 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Thank you!!!

                          [–]eaglesfan14 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Good work.

                          [–]JohSpell 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          These users are definitely threatening the /r/philadelphia way of life. If only there was a good way to keep track of them, like some sort of troll registry...

                          [–]theirishcampfire 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Amen! Good on you!

                          [–]thanksbastards 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Thank you

                          [–]Psuphilly#10 John LeClair 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Fucking thank you

                          [–]Struevesant 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Bravo.

                          [–]Guinevere_naberrieSheetz is better than Wawa 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Thank you!!

                          [–]redwoodser 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                          thanks for telling the little fascists to fuck themselves. if you want this office chair, SERIOUS, let me know, it will be delivered to your location, or somewhere near you. i remember reading a while ago about how you worked from home (sometimes) and didn't have a comfortable chair.

                          https://www.amazon.com/BestOffice-Ergonomic-Leather-Office-Chair/dp/B004ZVHKJE/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1485205113&sr=8-1&keywords=hi%2Bback%2Boffice%2Bchair&th=1

                          edit: if you u/gk128 ban these dumb bitches you could win the following

                          u/capnjack78 Puch Moped 456 Flight

                          u/Jawn_Valjorts Kawasaki Enduro 250 XL

                          u/justdrop Winnebago Motor Home 35' Fleetline.

                          [–]SluggedPoint Breeze 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                          I feel left out :( I even accidentally posted some information about you once that should have gotten me site-wide banned and still no mention?! :'(

                          [–]hehateme429 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                          WTF is going on?

                          [–]Simon_the_CannibalOld Kenzo 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                          Trolls, trolls trolling trolls, and general dumb-assery.

                          [–]anydentity -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Fully support this.

                          [–]DezyneNA 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Not a legitimate stance.

                          Shut up if you have a different viewpoint.

                          Lol the irony of this shitpost.

                          [–]FYIAV 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          This is not about differing political opinions.

                          👌

                          [–]xGetSweatyx 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                          TLDR: Everyone I dont like is a Nazi

                          [–]TheChallange 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Not from philly but good for you guys. Fuck those people!

                          [–]colliemayne -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                          I'm not a liberal am I still allowed to sub?

                          [–]TheGirlwThePinkHair 27 ポイント28 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Are you a nazi?

                          [–]FordimanLansdale 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Well, lessee... the requirement is race-centric alt-right, read as "neo-nazi". Unless you're that, I suspect you are still allowed to sub.

                          [–]eric22vhs 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          I'm a classical liberal, but you'd think I was hitler by the way this sub responds to any sign of skepticism to their ban happy attitudes.

                          [–]lurkonly_man 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          You could... or you could move to jersey.

                          (Mods is this acceptable light-hearted trollin'?)

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