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I'm not going try and spearhead this as some kind of righteous cause because I just don't know enough about the situation but I think it is something worthy of discussion.

What exactly does Twitch base it's video game ban-list guidelines upon?

A games actual content or it's perceived first appearance?

If people are unaware of what I'm talking about there was a recent video submission via the video game developer Yandere Dev in which he discusses his games initial ban on twitch and his following experiences trying to start a discourse through official channels to find answers to rectify the issue.

I'm not going to link to the submission itself because that seems to be against the rules in this sub but if you're interested in the topic feel free to google/youtube or search reddit for the overall discussion.

There seems to be a great deal of subjective and bias selection going on within what is appropriate on twitch and what isn't, I could be entirely wrong but the fact that this is someone's passion project and lively hood that a great number of people are interested in that is being ignored, on one of the Internets largest viewing platforms to this day is fairly baffling.

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[–]Heep123Twitch.tv/Heep123 | @Heep123[M] [スコア非表示] stickied comment (36子コメント)

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[–]badspler 1469 ポイント1470 ポイント  (129子コメント)

So Twitch owes him a response. I think thats something we can all agree on. I think a response is all thats being asked for.

[–]soracrowe 488 ポイント489 ポイント  (26子コメント)

I'm afraid the best response he'll get is just a boilerplate reiteration of their rules, ignoring how they selectively apply those rules to the other games he mentioned. Rules are only for the little guys.

[–]RobertNAdams 121 ポイント122 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Can confirm, have spoken to Twitch in my capacity as a (small-time) journo. Standard response is "We don't comment on why games are banned."

[–]EagleDarkX 66 ポイント67 ポイント  (2子コメント)

We don't comment on why games are banned.

i.e. we don't need rules, fuck you.

[–]thesircuddles 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I don't agree with no communication (think that's a poor decision on all counts), or that this game should be banned (doesn't look like it)... but Twitch absolutely isn't obligated to say shit about shit and they can in fact do whatever they want on their website.

So 'We don't need rules, fuck you' is pretty factually accurate, even if it's shitty for everyone involved.

[–]stubing [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

but Twitch absolutely isn't obligated to say shit about shit and they can in fact do whatever they want on their website.

And we are allowed to raise a massive stink about it and give twitch bad PR over how they handle this situation.

Your post is so common, but no one is disagreeing Twitch can't do whatever the fuck they want. We disagree about what they should do. The community needs to keep giving Twitch shit about this since this policy needs to change for the better of the community. Other game developers and small channels get fucked by Twitch with no answer. We shouldn't be okay with that. We may understand that is what Twitch does, but let's remind Twitch that we as the community don't like this each time it happens. I'm sure Twitch doesn't want to be the next Block Buster. Make sure the correct decision for them is to at least give an actual reason.

[–]romeo_zulu 46 ポイント47 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I'm not surprised. To make statements is to lose the ability to be granular. They can take things in situation-by-situation cases, allowing some through and not others, that may strictly speaking both be "against rules", but selective enforcement, while frustrating for those who end up being selected, are significantly better for Twitch's side of things because you don't have to deal with rule-skirting and line-toeing.

[–]PaintItPurple 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (0子コメント)

To make statements is to lose the ability to be granular.

That's not true at all. Even if you take things on a purely case-by-case basis, you can still explain why you made the decision you did in that case. If you can't explain it, then you aren't actually taking things on a case-by-case basis — you're just being irrational and arbitrary.

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    [–]musedav 185 ポイント186 ポイント  (8子コメント)

    I think this is the key issue. Twitch isn't going to ban a huge game like Gears of War even though they violate their rules, or popular streamers who clearly use their sexuality to attract viewers.

    If you're a small dev or have small breasts better stay woke.

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      [–]Azonata 74 ポイント75 ポイント  (5子コメント)

      The reason for not providing a response is simple, Twitch does have nothing to gain from making their criteria explicit. They want the rules to be vague so that they can be applied as they see fit. Any specification would give people a grey zone that they could test in order to shift the boundaries. Specifying the rules would only generate more debate on why one game is allowed and another is not, which is exactly what Twitch does not want, because then they would basically have to justify their motivations for every single game and thus would have to start employing a full-time review team to determine what games they should allow.

      [–]secondtolastaccount 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (3子コメント)

      I think this is half of it, maybe even the larger half. I think there is another part too, though. "I know it when I see it" is a phrase that goes back decades in this country, when people were trying to draw a line around pornography in order to ban it. The obvious objection to banning pictures of naked women was the abundance of oil paintings hanging in museums.

      I think that there is a very human component in Twitch's banning of certain games. They haven't written down any rules because they don't have them. They check out a game and apply an "I know it when I see it" type of criteria to it. Some games they just don't want.

      That might make it tough for a developer to hear their game was banned but, 1) if you made your game with Twitch streaming in mind you probably had the wrong motivations to have made a good game and 2) if your game was banned from Twitch you can't really be that surprised. You knew in development that you were creating content that risked that. Twitch might not have hard and fast rules but the general idea is pretty clear.

      [–]Mountebank 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Unfortunately their criteria also includes how big or popular a game is. There's nothing the South Park game can do to get it banned from Twitch because it's too big and popular. Like the rest of life, it's just frustrating knowing that there are different sets of rules for different people.

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          [–]Daimon_Wind 88 ポイント89 ポイント  (1子コメント)

          The amount of hoops this guy needed to hop true and still not get a response is kind of disgusting. Twitch talks big about communication, transparency, how open they are. Well guess nobody give a fuck this time #BleedPurple

          [–]Axethor 45 ポイント46 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Twitch is very open, transparent and willing to communicate.... with the top 1% of streamers and game devs. In their mind everyone else is less than nothing. Simple numbers on a screen that make them money. And they can do whatever they want because, at least for right now, they have no where else to go for quality streaming content. I've spent time on Beam and it's certainly gaining traction because of Microsoft, but it's still nowhere near Twitch's level. Youtube streaming never caught on. Hitbox and the others like it are a joke. Twitch, much like Steam tbh, needs a real competitor before they are forced to get their act together and actually make good on the things they like to talk about doing.

          [–]welknair 205 ポイント206 ポイント  (37子コメント)

          Yup. It's their site and their platform after all, they're completely within their rights to ban whatever they want. The issue is more one of lack of communication, and possibly double-standards depending on what the actual reason for the ban was. Regardless, they can do what they want, they just might get flak for it.

          [–]ColdBlackCage 259 ポイント260 ポイント  (16子コメント)

          That's not even the point. Sure, Twitch can do what they want but what's the fucking point of having rules if your community doesn't know what they are to follow it? The developer wants his game on Twitch. He's fully willing to make certain changes if it would result in it being allowed - but they're not even communicating to him *what *particular aspect of the game is resulting in it having this terrible treatment.

          It's just an absolutely bewildering situation. I can't even see the business perspective of the lunacy - my YouTube searches show this game is wildy popular and gets good views. Twitch may be entitled to do as it pleases because of its position, but if they keep this shady shit up continually then people are going to stop supporting streamers through Twitch and go completely third party.

          I'm really interested to know what about this game or developer has warranted such treatment from Twitch. It really does sound like someone has a personal grievance against it, and if that kind of culture surrounds the approved streaming list, then I'm suddenly much less at ease of Twitch's longevity (purely conjecture however.)

          [–]VidiotGamer 201 ポイント202 ポイント  (6子コメント)

          The developer wants his game on Twitch. He's fully willing to make certain changes if it would result in it being allowed

          That's key here. The guy hasn't even been given the opportunity to alter his game so that it avoids this ban because Twitch simply won't talk to him.

          It's really a huge amount of nonsense and the only reason why I can think of this happening is because they probably don't know why they banned it in the first place.

          [–]crafting-ur-end 26 ポイント27 ポイント  (1子コメント)

          That's exactly what I'm thinking

          [–]Gingevere 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          don't know why they banned it in the first place.

          My guess, the game has drawn the ire of SJWs a few times in the past, pissed off SJWs / controversy eventually caught the attention of someone in marketing or advertising somewhere. That advertiser wanted to make sure that their advertisements on Twitch would never appear beside anything with that kind of controversy, so Twitch banned it to maintain that business relationship.

          Because publicly stating "we banned your game because an advertiser asked us to" would be another PR headache they'll either stonewall forever or shoot the advertiser an email asking if they still want it banned and silently remove it from the banned list if the advertiser says no.

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              [–]colonwqbang 49 ポイント50 ポイント  (4子コメント)

              This argument is getting so tired. Please stop repeating it.

              They're within their rights to...

              I'm within my rights to stop returning my mother's calls and cease all contact with my family for no reason. That doesn't mean it wouldn't be a horrible thing to do.

              Just because you have the right to be a total douchebag doesn't mean that it's the decent thing to do. We should expect more of a company.

              [–]firworks 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              And when your mother says "Oh I wish little johnny would call. I wonder how he is doing." people wouldn't say "Shut up old hag. It's his right to not call you".

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                [–]xnfd 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                He'd probably be willing to work on altering the content slightly to get it past Twitch's ban. But they won't communicate what exactly is the problem.

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                  [–]anionaman 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (40子コメント)

                  Yeah, I can understand not wanting the game on there where the core of the game involves killing other high schoolers in a school setting. I think they should be more consistent in what they allow, and I personally don't think the game should be banned, but that's not my decision. I just want to see twitch actually respond in some way.

                  [–]Tornada5786 57 ポイント58 ポイント  (6子コメント)

                  Yeah, you would think killing high schoolers would be the main reason for a ban, but again, both Danganronpas (in which high schoolers are getting murdered) are on twitch and they show a lot more gore than Yandere simulator.

                  [–]anionaman 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                  I don't think the game should be banned but do think we need to look at it more as a whole a little bit. Some context is important. Danganronpa is a murder mystery game with less free control of characters and in a death-game like setting as far as I know. Yandere Sim takes place in a seemingly ordinary high school and you have free control of the character to directly kill other students.

                  You could also make an argument that stick of truth can't quite be compared like that, since it's more cartoon-y (not that Yandere sim is realistic looking) and an rpg without a similar sense of realistic? plausible? violence.

                  [–]BlazeDrag 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  So it's okay if the violence and sex in the game is so gratuitous and over the top that it's unrealistic? So I guess the secret to Yandere's success would be to add Aliens to the game that rape the students and giant geysers of blood whenever someone is injured.

                  [–]AL2009man 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                  Yandere Sim takes place in a seemingly ordinary high school and you have free control of the character to directly kill other students.

                  just like in GTA or Hitman, You are going to be punished for killing non-target students.

                  [–]originofbeauty 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Only if you get caught...which is another factor that could have contributed to the ban.

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                      [–]Nimelrian 136 ポイント137 ポイント  (28子コメント)

                      Killing others is not the core of the game. It is a way to achieve the game's goal, but there are non-violent alternatives.

                      [–]dsadaOG 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Also there are other games about killing high schoolers in a school ambient that are allowed on twitch.

                      [–]anionaman 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (26子コメント)

                      Huh, I wouldn't have thought non-violence would be a thing when dealing with a Yandere. I don't have much exposure to the game though, never played it myself.

                      [–]Drbattlemage 76 ポイント77 ポイント  (12子コメント)

                      The main goal of the game is to get "Sempai" to fall in love with Yandere-chan because he is the only person who has ever made her feel any major level of emotion. But... for all the negative stuff you do it will start to affect Sempai (in some of the more recent updates to be implemented)

                      Since Yandere-chan love Sempai (or her closest idea of love) she would not want him hurt in anyway if possible. So finding peaceful solutions would keep him in a positive state of mind (i.e. not mentally scared or hurt)

                      [–]scorcher117Twitch.tv/scorcher117 26 ポイント27 ポイント  (10子コメント)

                      while i understand that "sempai" is also a valid spelling and word it just doesn't feel right to see.

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                        [–]Nimelrian 32 ポイント33 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                        You can also set up relationship between rivals and other students, embarrass them so Senpai loses interest in them or get them expelled.

                        [–]LordUncleBob 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                        Isn't there also an option to befriend the rivals and just... ask them to stop?

                        [–]shoryusatsu999 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        Yep. You can do sidequests to befriend the rivals and ask them to stay away from Senpai. No bloodshed necessary.

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                          [–]daydaypics 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (7子コメント)

                          Do you ACTUALLY know what yandere is? It isn't girls going on killing sprees.

                          [–]Drbattlemage 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (6子コメント)

                          Think it is just a girl with an irrational and potentially dangerous obsession with someone.

                          [–]badspler 41 ポイント42 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                          I am personally all for the game being removed off the blacklist. But thats not really what hes asking for really? Hes shown hes tried to get a real response and that method has failed. If he got a response tha said X is why your game is blacklisted he could address the problem. You can really see the gripe being that there is no communication what so ever.

                          [–]Calavid 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                          have you watched yandere-devs video? i think you'll be surprised about what content twitch DOES allow....

                          [–]Noct_Stella 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Akiba's Trip isn't banned

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                              [–]DemonWTF 320 ポイント321 ポイント  (64子コメント)

                              I find Yandere Simulator to be quite mild, and I see no reason to be banned.

                              I think it would be good for everyone to know how and why a game like that would be banned, to avoid getting banned.

                              [–]TheAlmightyPido 102 ポイント103 ポイント  (5子コメント)

                              I agree. Yet Twitch has set no standard for what can and can't be banned. They don't even seem to follow their own rules.

                              [–]A_Mouse_In_Da_HouseTwitch.tv/quantumspace 81 ポイント82 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                              Twitch has never followed their own rules.

                              [–]FloopyMuscles 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                              Yup. There is a negative correlation between the amount of money you make Twitch and the amount of rules you have to follow.

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                                [–]Transflail 45 ポイント46 ポイント  (57子コメント)

                                I mean, it's a game about running around murdering children, kidnapping and torturing children, taking up skirt and down shirt photos of children.

                                Unless I'm missing something?

                                Now, personally, I think the game looks kind of fun (from YouTube play throughs) but i completely understand why Twitch wouldn't want the content on their site.

                                [–]brodhi 128 ポイント129 ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                That is not the main crux of the game--you can beat it without any murder or perverse things.

                                In Life is Strange, you had the option of intentionally killing kids for no other reason than they may have been jerks to the main character. That game is allowed and touted by many.

                                Murder of children has never been a problem to gamers or devs (BioShock's Little Sisters is another example).

                                [–]GravitasIsOverrated 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                you can beat it without any murder

                                Lets be real here. 90+% of streamers are gonna murder kids in this game. It's a major feature and a central mechanic.

                                [–]brodhi 57 ポイント58 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                "Central" mechanic is a bit of a stretch. You can do a passive run of the Deus Ex or MGS games, in fact those are considered the "true" or "correct" way of playing them, but it doesn't mean a kill-only playthrough is "central" to the game. It is just an easier, less rewarding playstyle.

                                [–]RlySkiztwitch.tv/RlySkiz[🍰] 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                less rewarding playstyle

                                YanSin handles it so that you reeeeaally have to clean up your mess when you'd actually decide to kill someone.. so, going passive might actually be easier.

                                [–]AL2009man 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                During the developments, its been cleared that killing "kids" (as you would prefer to call it instead of Teenagers, by Japanese Setting Standards") might be hard to do if you try to get away with it, but it'll might affect the game.

                                if you played Hitman, you might be familiar with that.

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                                  [–]Legend_Of_Greg 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (29子コメント)

                                  Is stuff like postal banned? As far as I know it isn't and that's on the same level if not more fucked up, in my opinion.

                                  [–]Transflail 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (28子コメント)

                                  It's not on the list, however, looking at the list it looks like games that have a sexual theme are the most banned.

                                  https://help.twitch.tv/customer/portal/articles/1992676-list-of-prohibited-games

                                  I guess the taking lewd photos of under age girls is what got the game on the list.

                                  [–]Bladeztothex 29 ポイント30 ポイント  (17子コメント)

                                  All the characters who are currently in the game are 18 or older the game even has a disclaimer for this when you launch it, so technically they're not children.

                                  [–]Legend_Of_Greg 44 ポイント45 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                  "She's a 5000 year old demon, I swear"

                                  [–]bolt_thundara 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                  Except this doesn't really apply here. None of the characters in the game look even remotely underage. In fact, other than the fact they're dressed in traditional school girl outfits, none of them even look like teenagers. Aside from that, the dev has stated repeatedly and publicly he's willing to change aspects of the game if Twitch can just tell him what the problem is. He could easily change the setting from a high school to a college without altering the gameplay in the slightest if age is the issue.

                                  [–]tonyp2121 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  It's different they're girls in highschool, in graduating classes theyre normally 18. And for the sake of the fact it's a game is easier just to say they're all 18. They're not like children but "no guys she's actually super legal"

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                                    [–]Transflail 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                    Oh come on, they're dressed up like school children in a school, they can say whatever age they want but it's the implication that matters.

                                    [–]MuffyPuff 66 ポイント67 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                    TIL you can't be 18+ and in school at the same time...

                                    [–]Bladeztothex 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                    College and University ages ranges from 18-24. but since Yandere sim is set in a high school, being born before the end of the school year you would be 18 in grade 12, or you know just get held back a year.

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                                      [–]Dacreepboi 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                      like highschool children, whom can be over 18 years old

                                      [–]Gnokey 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      High School Seniors are school children too.

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                                              [–]chralmus 218 ポイント219 ポイント  (19子コメント)

                                              I think Huniepot developer ran into a similar situation. In HunieCam Studios, his second game, he toned down a lot of the problems he thought Twitch might have had with Huniepop. Such as less skin showing like how Yandere suggested for his own game.

                                              However, I don't know if Huniepot Dev got a response from Twitch either regarding HunieCam ban. Or if he tried to get a response in the first place. I do know he wanted people to be able to stream it and felt bad when streamers got banned as well.

                                              FeelaBadMan

                                              I'm glad we're able to talk about this tho :D

                                              [–]Kotorfreak1994 107 ポイント108 ポイント  (16子コメント)

                                              I think the Hunniepop and studio games are a different example though in the fact that their main content revolves around sexuality, and Yandre simulator's doesn't.

                                              [–]letsjustmakeout 66 ポイント67 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                              Agreed. HuniePop is all about sex, and arguably about exploitative sex regarding its sequel. It's hard to compare that content to the likes of Yandere Sim, which is fairly equal with other games that are streamable.

                                              [–]Kotorfreak1994 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                              yup im not against games like HunniePop but at least there are pretty clear reasons why it and its sequel are banned from twitch

                                              [–]The_Hunster 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                              That's not the point. If Twitch is refusing to contact compliant people they're doing something very wrong.

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                                                  [–]hansolo010 259 ポイント260 ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                  Remember why we are here. We want to discuss ways of getting Twitch to contact Yandere-Dev. Being upset at Mods, who were dealing with a sudden flood of threads that were the exact same thing doesn't help that. It wasn't censorship, so much as it was allowing for a better flow of communication on both parts. Now that we have a stable platform of discussion, can we please get to the issue at hand?

                                                  [–]Seriouscatt 204 ポイント205 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                  /r/twitch wants to be as real as possible by mimicking Twitch's garbage rules and inconsistently enforcing them

                                                  [–]shiny_dunsparce 52 ポイント53 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  How else do they think they're going to get hired by twitch like the mods in the past?

                                                  [–]Drbattlemage 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  (shadowface0 from twitch here) Agreed. No use in getting upset with the mods for trying to keep the calm by doing their jobs.

                                                  [–]i_706_i 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                  Where do the mods draw the line? I imagine witchunting isn't allowed but I think telling people they should contact Twitch and let them know how they feel about this should be fine. No need for emotional or angry responses, but my personal feeling is that pretty much any game should be allowed on Twitch except for very edge case scenarios of games that encourage real life crimes, or show/encourage gore or sexual assault in a realistic manner.

                                                  Now I haven't followed the development of Yandere Simulator since seeing the first videos here on Reddit years ago, but I don't believe it has any sexual content that goes beyond games that are currently hosted on Steam, or any violence or gore that isn't found a million shooters/RPGs, especially given the stylized art.

                                                  I think this is just the case of a game getting a bad rap and Twitch trying to sweep the game under the rug just in case there might be some outrage in the future. Which is a terrible place to make a stand.

                                                  [–]raze2012 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  I mean, it's Twitch itself, not a streamer. I'm pretty sure Reddit was okay with contacting YT over the "where's the fair use" thing. And to petition against SOPA. As long as we're not saying "here's twitch employee X's Twitter. Go at it!", we should be fine. Just tweet/email support.

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                                                    [–]livia29 108 ポイント109 ポイント  (11子コメント)

                                                    I'm here because I just watched Yandere Dev's video... I don't see why Twitch can't give him a simple response. And now I'm seeing that posts are being deleted?

                                                    [–]Nindydar 59 ポイント60 ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                    My guess is that they are afraid quoting a rule to him in an official communication about why the game is banned will be thrown back in their face when another game that violates that rule but in a slightly different way doesn't get banned.

                                                    This may be a bit cynical but at this point i don't think there is any upside to twitch actually responding to this guy and unless this issue gets big enough to actually start affecting viewership (it won't) i don't think we will ever see an official statement from them on it.

                                                    [–]murdermeformysins 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                    The liability hornets nest for something like this isnt worth touching

                                                    [–]Nindydar 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                    Exactly, they wouldn't be legally liable per se, It's there site and they can ban whatever content they want for whatever reason they want, or for no reason at all. But coming out and stating an official rule would get thrown back in their face every time they ban something that doesn't strictly and clearly violate the rule and there is no upside for twitch to do this. At the end of the day they want to retain the ability to ban whatever content they want for whatever reason they want without having their previous statements thrown back in their face.

                                                    I do feel sympath for this dev though. He just wants to get his game on twitch and has even expressed some willingness to make changes to fall in line with Twitch's rules. It's just unlikely they will ever tell him what those rules are (if they even exist).

                                                    [–]murdermeformysins 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                    IANAL but if people draw income from twitch partnerships they definitely want to avoid anything that sets precedent on bans less they risk a lawsuit they cant win

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                                                        [–]IDoNotAgreeWithYou 420 ポイント421 ポイント  (46子コメント)

                                                        How embarrassing for Twitch.

                                                        [–]Brandonspikes 316 ポイント317 ポイント  (44子コメント)

                                                        You mean the same website that allows top streamers to get away with whatever they want, just because they bring in the most money?

                                                        They can and will do whatever they want, and they will continue to coward away without any response, because anything that they could say could possibly make them look bad.

                                                        They're going to keep quiet, and they never will allow the game back on Twitch, unless this somehow blows up even more.

                                                        [–]Duke97_ 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (29子コメント)

                                                        I don't know Twitch enough to really talk about it, but aren't big streamers often banned ? I've been lurking on /r/leagueoflegends for more than four years and have seen a few posts about streamers getting perm banned from twitch.

                                                        [–]Gatlinbeach 98 ポイント99 ポイント  (22子コメント)

                                                        If you're a big streamer you can literally flash your vagina on stream and come away clean.

                                                        [–]Tacktal1ty 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                        They get unbanned soon after most of the times.

                                                        [–]DaBa1 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                        No, they are not actually. To my knowledge the only cases of big streamers getting banned resulted from them repeatedly breaking the rules and hordes of people complaing about them to Twitch. It often took weeks of bad behaviour for them to get banned, and in most cases their channels were unbanned shortly after.

                                                        League of Legends is a slightly different case. Twitch gives Riot big sums of money to have exclusivity on big league events and pro player streams, and Riot really doesn't like people giving them a bad name, so I bet Riot can easily demand a removal of offending streamers.

                                                        I can bet you any ammounts of money that if other games were involved, those people would be nigh untouchable if they were making Twitch good ammount of money.

                                                        [–]AbombicTom 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                        You're probably referring to big league steamers that have gotten permabanned from playing league, not from streaming on twitch. Most of them (like Tyler1) just stream different games on twitch instead

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                                                              [–]Particle_Man_Prime 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                              Can we stop pretending Twitch is better than YouTube for this stuff? Because this sounds exactly like some shit YouTube would do.

                                                              [–]Shado_TempleTwitch.tv/Shado_Temple 122 ポイント123 ポイント  (36子コメント)

                                                              Sweet, now that one of these stuck, time to throw in my 2 cents.

                                                              Frankly, I do find it weird that Twitch hasn't made some mention as to why the game's banned. I'm not in any way surprised that it is, but the stonewall probably means there's more to this story than was initially led on. I'm guessing we're not hearing everything about how the conversation originally went, which might've exasperated the relationship to this icy standstill. That being said, I'm also guessing this dev isn't the first to have a hard time reaching someone at Twitch. It's not a cool business practice, but it's their prerogative to (or not to) do so.

                                                              I frequently heard the argument over the past year that it's a double standard to keep this down when the likes of GTA V and others get to stay, and I'm not sure I understand that, when you consider the culture Twitch mainly appeals to. The unique situation Yandere Sim presents is not just wanton murder (a la GTAV) or just the general killing of high school students (a la games like Danganronpa, which I personally streamed and had a good time with), but specifically the protagonist killing other students to achieve a goal. It doesn't make much news these days, but kids killing each other at school was somewhat of a sore subject at the time of the original ban. I don't even think they looked at their content policy so much as the shitstorm that would ensue if stories got out that "kids were watching school murder sims on Twitch". It isn't worth fighting that fight for what would've ended up being a niche game for a niche audience, so those of you saying "IT'S A MONEY THING" are probably not wrong.

                                                              If I had to make my best take about this, I'd say Twitch is keeping silent on this issue because in order to explain it, they'd have to explain why killing adults in other games is better than killing kids in schools. It's a sentiment that matches at least western culture, but it's an argument you can't really "win" without sounding awful as a company.

                                                              [–]Maxwell_88 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (10子コメント)

                                                              This makes a lot of sense. I bet if they talked to Yandere Dev they could work out something so nobody has to look like the bad guy.

                                                              [–]Shado_TempleTwitch.tv/Shado_Temple 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (9子コメント)

                                                              I'm sure they could, but there just isn't much incentive to at this point. The initial wave of backlash didn't exactly hurt Twitch, and this most likely won't, either.

                                                              I guess the biggest question to be answered is, what tangible reward does Twitch gain by bringing this situation closure?

                                                              [–]Maxwell_88 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                                              A million happy people watching videos on their website?

                                                              [–]Shado_TempleTwitch.tv/Shado_Temple 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                              You can probably cut your finger on the edge of this cynicism, but people will forget about this in favor of a new outrage within the week. The very same people that would line up to boycott Twitch over something like this A) were never watchers of Twitch to begin with, or B) will eventually float back. Yeah, there'll be holdouts, but Twitch will keep Twitching along regardless.

                                                              [–]Nindydar 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                              Your kidding yourself if you think this issue is going to get big enough or stick around long enough to significantly impact Twitch's bottom line. The truth is an overwhelming majority of the people who browse twitch are casual users and probably have no idea any of this is even going on. At this point any response by twitch would probably just be used to strangle them later down the line.

                                                              [–]MatsuseIzuna 54 ポイント55 ポイント  (21子コメント)

                                                              A few things here, the game can be completely completely passively, such as getting kids expelled, destroying their social reputation, etc. And while school shootings you say may be a sore subject at the time of the ban, isn't that a case all of the time? I mean i hear it constantly brought up on the list of things of what other countries make fun of America for. There would also be WAY less of a fuss if twitch wasn't acting like a couple that gave the silent treatment because they had an argument.

                                                              [–]Maxwell_88 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                              Just having the option for murder is damnable enough. If you CAN kill kids that doesn't mean you WILL but regardless the news WILL write about it. That could spark some bad publicity.

                                                              Now on the other hand there are thousands of games that you can do all sorts of nasty stuff in. Why should Yandere Simulator be singled out? This whole process of creating a blacklist of specific games is a bit of a farce to begin with. Just make some clear cut rules about game content and enforce them equally.

                                                              [–]MatsuseIzuna 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                              This is yet another thing that proves corporations are a bunch of scummy blights in our society. The news being one of the worst.

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                                                                  [–]TheAlmightyPido 49 ポイント50 ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                                  I just hate this because Twitch support shouldn't be worse than Youtube support. You guys have seemingly no rules against the game yet it's banned. It feels like they were trying to hide this but when it got too big for them to contain, they decide to answer. They need to be more transparent, this isn't acceptable.

                                                                  [–]Calavid 40 ポイント41 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                  no they have rules against the game. its just that we can name 10 other AAA titles that break the same rules and are still allowed on twitch

                                                                  [–]TheAlmightyPido 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                  The video discusses that there isn't really a rule that goes against the game. That is why this is so weird, if it went against one of the rules, why didn't they just email Yandere Dev that it did so. They just avoided contact.

                                                                  [–]letsjustmakeout 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                  Agreed with above, the concern isn't simply that some games break the rules this one was banned for. The larger problem is WHICH rules is this game breaking? We have no way of knowing, because Twitch refuses to speak.

                                                                  And there are lots of arguments against this content and how objectionable it actually is. Especially to those flagrantly disregarding the rules that already exist.

                                                                  [–]hansolo010 50 ポイント51 ポイント  (10子コメント)

                                                                  Now that there's a place for.. "civilized" discussion, things should be easier on you mods. Your not the people we should have a problem with.

                                                                  [–]GentlemanIntheSuit 317 ポイント318 ポイント  (45子コメント)

                                                                  This post will be removed briefly. The mods are dissappearing all discussion of this, without reason or explation. It is clear /r/Twitch is a censored community.

                                                                  Edit: Perhaps they deleted so many hundreds of posts they're now exhausted? This one hasnt been deleted yet, perhaps reply incoming? Lets hope.

                                                                  Edit 2: This one is staying, it looks like. Too many threads to delete I suppose! Although- still no real reply as to what the hell just happened here.

                                                                  [–]crazierinzane 81 ポイント82 ポイント  (17子コメント)

                                                                  Edit: They are leaving this one up. Maybe some decent momentum can be gained from it. Leaving original comment below for posterity and to show poor mod practices get poor response.

                                                                  Wow, how pathetic can the mods be...

                                                                  [–]BrandenKP 46 ポイント47 ポイント  (15子コメント)

                                                                  /r/games is deleting comments left and right. I have a few screenshots because the thread is saved in my cache. Should I post them?

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                                                                  [–]shiny_dunsparce 44 ポイント45 ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                                                  Theyre probably deleting them because there is already a huge thread about it.

                                                                  [–]Raneados[🍰] 53 ポイント54 ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                                                  Every stupid conspiracy has an easy explanation.

                                                                  [–]fireork12 32 ポイント33 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                  "UHHH DURRR GEE TTHHEEE MODS ARE DELETING THE POSTS ABOUT STUFF, CENSORSHIP!!!"

                                                                  It's because you keep on posting duplicates of it over and over

                                                                  [–]raze2012 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                  Can you explain why Ted Cruz was the Zodiac Killer, then?

                                                                  [–]Rainuwastaken 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                  Something something Occam's Razor.

                                                                  [–]Rhamni 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                  I mean... It's a real phenomenon were mods decide to delete all posts on a particular topic, and then there are enough posts about how the mods are assholes pushing agendas that it looks bad so they let one through and it's full of comments about A) the mods are assholes pushing agendas and B) herp derp they let this one through so everyone who says they are assholes pushing agendas are just assholes pushing agendas.

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                                                                    [–]Tuub4 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                    Thanks for getting in touch. Complaining about the moderation practices of another subreddit is not appropriate or on-topic for /r/Games. As such, the comment and its child comments have been removed.

                                                                    Direct response about the deleted comments from the mods there. We're probably talking about the same comments, yes? http://i.imgur.com/T4DVoDM.png

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                                                                        [–]Calavid 41 ポイント42 ポイント  (16子コメント)

                                                                        Look, now they're doing damage control by deleting their comments.

                                                                        [–]LorewaIker_ChoTwitchSupport Volunteer 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (15子コメント)

                                                                        No, I deleted my own comment because I shared a bit too much info. I'm not even on the moderation team.

                                                                        [–]Calavid 49 ポイント50 ポイント  (13子コメント)

                                                                        thats what we call damage control son

                                                                        [–]LorewaIker_ChoTwitchSupport Volunteer 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (12子コメント)

                                                                        Oh yeah, but the mods are not doing the damage control. I was. I deleted one of my own comments.

                                                                        [–]sgt_cookie 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                        I have no doubt you meant well, but on the other hand, you can't deny that the responses had a point.

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                                                                          [–]soracrowe 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                                                          I don't see why Twitch can't afford them the same rights that, say, GTA and South Park have. The disingenuousness of the staff he contacted, claiming they'd help but then not doing anything not following up with him, is also pretty disappointing. I don't even like the game, but the double standards are absolutely idiotic. If youtube can run it, I damn well think Twitch can run it.

                                                                          [–]BarryCarlyonChannel Moderator, Bot Dev, Engineer 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                          GTA and South Park have both been rated by the ESRB and similar authorities, Yandere has not, because it's an indie title and has not been submitted for rating.

                                                                          [–]shoryusatsu999 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                          If that's the case, then why not just ban everything that's not rated by the ESRB?

                                                                          [–]mkicon 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                          iirc their entire ban list is made up of games without a rating, so that's not too far off.

                                                                          [–]shoryusatsu999 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                          You severely underestimate the number of SFW games that aren't rated by the ESRB.

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                                                                            Word cloud out of all the comments.

                                                                            I hope you like it

                                                                            [–]Strangefield 32 ポイント33 ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                                            The problem with Twitch in it's current form is that they are very inconsistent when it comes to enforcing certain site-wide rules when it pertains to them directly financially benefiting by ignoring the rules. This problem stems from an underlying issue of a lack of transparency between the company and the community and will only be solved when the business starts being more open about how they go about determining what is prohibited content and what breaks the rules.

                                                                            [–]tbwnz 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                                            Honestly, Twitch probably finds the game to be too absurd or creepy and doesn't want to make a statement because it's just gonna be something that sounds too biased or judgmental.

                                                                            I really don't blame them either, this game is a little too bizarre for my taste.

                                                                            [–]pxmonkeetwitch.tv/pxmonkee 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                            Twitch has shareholders and advertisers to answer to. And by no means do they have to allow people to stream games like this on their completely voluntary, not to mention free, service.

                                                                            [–]pb2crazy 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                            Their shareholders and advertisers are probably alright not being associated with Yanderesim just saying.

                                                                            [–]wggn 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                            getting a top post on reddit about it doesn't seem a good way of not being associated with it

                                                                            [–]pxmonkeetwitch.tv/pxmonkee 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                            Exactly my point.

                                                                            [–]Helliebabe 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (17子コメント)

                                                                            Personally I do not play the game. But I do watch a few videos from his channel and this game shouldn't be banned. I really don't understand why they did in the first place.

                                                                            [–]future_dolphin 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                                            I'm just sitting in the comments til this post gets banned. (I'd rather it not though, I hate it when pro-corporate mods are on a subreddit. never ends well)

                                                                            [–]anionaman 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                            What if it doesn't get removed this time? We might as well actually discuss the content rather than how it may be removed. If we can't have a discussion when they allow it, why would they allow it?

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                                                                              [–]FabioRodriquez 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (18子コメント)

                                                                              I hate that this happened but I might actually know why Twitch banned the game. I watched the video & while I haven't looked at the list, I did notice a common theme in the titles he showed. They dealt with sensitive topics, as does Yandere Simulator. Hear me out, it takes places in a high school which places the characters at the 14 - 18 age group. Now, with all the school shootings that has happened, I think this could be a case of politics. Twitch is really worried about the backlash it might get having a game depicting child murder. I don't think it's them victimizing Yandere Dev, but a case of not wanting to deal with the potential politics behind lifting the ban.

                                                                              While this reason is a good one, the way Twitch is handling the situation is unprofessional. But the same can be said the other way around. Yandere Dev had a section with the faces of employees he messaged on twitch. It kept switching in sync with his voice to indicate who helped & who did not. We all know how blood thirsty the internet is, so in doing that, Yandere Dev has provided the tools for a quick google search. People can find those employees that refused to help & bam, death threats. That will not help get a favourable outcome.

                                                                              Both parties aren't handling this the best & twitch is really hurting their reputation but it's big enough to be able to survive. As pointed out here already, it's their platform so they can ban whatever they want. But an explanation is needed because in all the examples in the video, it's hard to deny that GTA 5 for example is violent as fuck. Plus the graphically fluidity of it makes it ten times more realistic when compared to Yandere simulator's cartoon look. Like I said, Twitch might not want to deal with a shit storm that could come with allowing a game that showcases murdering children. Example, Hatred is a game about murdering adults which is fucked up but more acceptable. Pretty sure it was banned on all platforms because of it.

                                                                              I'm not defending either, just wanted to provide a level headed look at both sides. I don't believe in being biased to something because I might be invested in a game or whatever. I like looking at both sides & be objective.

                                                                              [–]Mountebank 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                              Twitch is really worried about the backlash it might get having a game depicting child murder.

                                                                              Who's Your Daddy? isn't banned and that's a game about a baby literally trying to commit suicide. The problem is that there's no consistency so it feels like Yandere Dev is being unfairly singled out.

                                                                              [–]SinicalMC 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                              Can't you do all of this, including killing children, in Postal? I mean FFS you can have your gun shoved up a cats butthole to use as a silencer.

                                                                              [–]FabioRodriquez 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                              Don't know, never played the game, therefore, I can't really speak on it so I won't because why speak on something I know nothing about.

                                                                              I'm just providing my opinion & definitely open to others adding to it.

                                                                              [–]BeardyDucktwitch.tv/BeardyDuck / Ex-Pro FPS 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                              Are you talking Postal or Postal 2? 2 very different tones.

                                                                              Also you were never able to kill children (if you're talking about Postal 1, which I assume you are). It was a movie file that played with the Postal Dude trying to shoot kids, only to end up not being able to because he was hallucinating/mentally broken (it was also a message from the devs saying kids were off-limits).

                                                                              This was replaced in the Redux version released last year to Postal Dude walking up to, presumably, his own grave and again, losing his mind/hallucinating.

                                                                              [–]Nimelrian 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (9子コメント)

                                                                              Yandere Dev addresses the "Children getting killed in school" thing in his video. You may want to check out Danganronpa, which he used as an example for games with the same setting which are not banned from Twitch.

                                                                              [–]FabioRodriquez 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                                                              Waiting on the PS4 re-release as I never had a Vita so my knowledge is extremely limited on that game.

                                                                              I knew it was a murder-mystery type that takes place in school, but I was under the assumption that it was 18 year olds & up.

                                                                              So it's a null point on my part, but I still believe that it's being handled horribly on twitch's end, but also not so great on Yandere Dev's end. That part with the pictures was just too much in my opinion since it exposed the employees.

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                                                                                [–]sgt_cookie 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                Let's hope Twitch actually responds to YandereDev. I'm giving him all the luck I can spare. And even some that I really should save for myself.

                                                                                [–]ScoutDawsontwitch.tv/ScoutDawson 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                I guess it's their discretion really, but it is strange. I mean there's full body nudity and sex in Witcher 3 (not to mention dead prostitutes, violence, bigotry and 'fantasy racism'), and GTA V is just a whole other shitshow as far as these rules are concerned.

                                                                                Yet they're allowed, nobody gets banned or told to cut certain scenes from gameplay.

                                                                                Doesn't make a fat lot of sense, really!

                                                                                [–]minerman5777 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                I'll get in my 2 cents before I head to school.

                                                                                As /u/ShadoTemple had said, it's possible that Twitch isn't responding for the fact of bad publicity or news articles. I believe that they can at least give Yandere Dev that answer, something to the likes of "This game is currently too risky to have streamed on Twitch." Which I still don't agree with when you look at Stick of Truth.

                                                                                [–]Calavid 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                Whats important to understand is that we dont just want a response as to why Yan-Sim is banned, we want a TRUTHFUL response as to why EVERY OTHER GAME that violates THE SAME RULES is NOT BANNED. Twitch cant just stand up and list the rules the game breaks, that would be them side-stepping the issue.

                                                                                EDIT: Twitch wants the revenue from the other AAA titles that thousands of streamers get millions of viewers for. That, and the bias against anime is a very likely factor.

                                                                                [–]Calavid 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                KEEP THOSE UPVOTES (for the thread, not me) COMING!!

                                                                                Gotta get to reddits front page if we want action.

                                                                                [–]NarrowHipsAreSexy 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                Personally, I like yandere characters, and this game is still far too violent and sadistic and still not for me. I understand there are non-violent options, but still I feel the game is not for me personally.

                                                                                But that doesn't mean that other people don't have the right to enjoy the game. There are plenty of games on Twitch just as icky, and many even moreso to me than Yandere Sim. I can ignore icky games I don't like, and Yandere Sim is certainly not the most icky out there.

                                                                                The lack of communication I think reflects badly on Twitch. More often than not, the silent treatment is more harmful than helpful, as no one ever learns anything at all. It's not as if Yandere Dev is being unreasonable or doing anything other than acting in good faith, trying to respectfully ask and understand what's going on and what can be done.

                                                                                This is unprofessional of Twitch and reflects poor communication and support for content creators and community as a platform.

                                                                                If not for Yandere Dev, I think that awareness of this needs to be raised so that Twitch can be improved as a platform.

                                                                                [–]Imagine42twitch.tv/imagine42 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (22子コメント)

                                                                                The thing is, they don't have to provide any sort of justification. If they decided tomorrow that, I dunno, all games with the color yellow in their logo is banned, they could do so, it's their site.

                                                                                To clarify here, they decided that they don't want their brand being represented by Yandere Simulator as well as a handful of other games specifically, and that's that. Story is done.

                                                                                [–]Lone_Sword 105 ポイント106 ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                                                                Sure, they can decide that, and obviously nothing they're doing is illegal, but that doesn't mean people can't complain until they get an actual answer.

                                                                                I mean, if you get 100,000 signatures you can get the White House to officially respond to any question, even one's like "Why aren't we building a Death Star?'

                                                                                So the "story is done" doesn't really fly. What if Yandere dev got big streamers/youtuber's on board demanding an answer? What if viewers/streamers decided to protest? There are tons of avenues besides just "Twitch is stonewalling us, oh well, time to pack it up."

                                                                                [–]Onatello1 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                You can't compare government to private companies. Government answers to its citizens, private companies answer to their share-holders, not customers/users.

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                                                                                  [–]Mountebank 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                  If they decided tomorrow that, I dunno, all games with the color yellow in their logo is banned, they could do so, it's their site.

                                                                                  Sure they can, but that's not the problem here. The problem is that they're banning all games with the color yellow without telling people that's why they're banning them. From an outside perspective, it'd look completely random. If Twitch actually disclosed this reason, then the banned games could change all the yellow to a different color, but because Twitch won't disclose their reasons the devs can't fix whatever is triggering the Twitch censors.

                                                                                  [–]CallMeCygnus 31 ポイント32 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                  To clarify here, they decided that they don't want their brand being represented by Yandere Simulator as well as a handful of other games specifically, and that's that.

                                                                                  Yeah, and we're here to say that's a pretty scummy way to treat their users.

                                                                                  [–]Detsuahxe 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                                  Why is it, EVERY time something like this, we get droves of people who can't help but make the same exact posts about how private companies are allowed to be assholes, only to get the exact same responses about how they're completely missing the point?

                                                                                  Is this the best we can manage?

                                                                                  [–]Calavid 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                  somebody hasent seen all the other games that twitch DOES allow because it gets them viewer ad revenue.

                                                                                  [–]anionaman 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                  Well that's true but it can also be useful to them to answer community concerns. Any response would be better than being ignored.

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                                                                                    [–]CyniqalOne 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (9子コメント)

                                                                                    It really just comes down to the fact that any statement they release on why the game is banned will just come to people pointing out heavy inconsistencies in their policies. Every reason you can possibly point out as to why the game could potentially be banned from twitch can be thrown right back at them with multiple examples of other popular games that have the same content, if not much more graphic.

                                                                                    [–]Rutoks 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                                                                    Well, they can use the point, that there is no game, that violates all of the rules. In panty-shot game there is no violence and in GTA V there is no school-children being murdered.

                                                                                    [–]LeFleeg 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                    If that's the case then there needs to be a clear limit as to how many rules you can break without being over the line, yet as of right now, there's no such mention of such a clause. Instead AAA titles are given much more leeway than smaller indie devs as far as rule enforcement goes. Having said that, YSDev has a YouTube following of over a million subscribers as well as large YouTubers playing the game for millions more to watch such as Markiplier, so the whole point of YS's potential news controversy not being worth the financial gain of allowing it to be streamed is kind of moot too. And even if you have to be earning Twitch a certain amount of money, the issue here is that Twitch refuses to communicate clearly exactly what that amount is, or why they choose to enforce certain rulings while letting others slide by.

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                                                                                      [–]Slardar 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                      Game doesn't seem extreme in any direction. Don't see why they can't just unban the game, giving a response which will most likely be "no" or something is past due at this point. The Dev has been waiting a year? Well I feel for him at least, I can understand the anger. They should just try to help him.

                                                                                      [–]AdonisBatheus 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                      Came here after seeing the YouTube video. Seems like mods on this subreddit also love censorship. What a lovely first impression.

                                                                                      No reason for the game to be banned. You can have rules, but you can't have rules and be inconsistent with them. And you can't give the dev no fucking reason.

                                                                                      I don't use Twitch all that often but if this is how they're going to act, then maybe I should just avoid it altogether. Horrible business practice.

                                                                                      [–]cjlj 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (25子コメント)

                                                                                      It's a game where the main focus is on sexualising and murdering minors. All the games he mentioned had the questionable content as a niche part of the game, rather than the focus. He chose to make a game with such an edgy premise to get attention (and it worked, he is getting $5k per month from Patreon off the back of it), so he can't complain when the game's notoriety comes back to bit him.

                                                                                      [–]hut492751 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                                      It's a game where the main focus is on sexualising and murdering minors. All the games he mentioned had the questionable content as a niche part of the game, rather than the focus.

                                                                                      The game has nothing to do with sexual intercourse, and murdering is a common factor of mature-rated games. Are you trying to say that God of War is not a game focus on violence and South Park isn't full with controversial/sexual jokes? The rest of your point make sence, but it's still unfair that Twitch only banned Yandere simulator.

                                                                                      [–]Gamefan211twitch.tv/Manacap 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                      There sort of is a sexual part to it though. I haven't played the game myself, but iirc from watching another youtuber play it, you can take up skirt shots of the girls to use as a way to barter with some nerd who will send you things, using the panty shots as a currency.

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                                                                                        [–]SuperShake66652 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                        You can stream Nekopara, which is all about fucking catgirls who have stated ages in the single digits because they're technically cats. I can also stream Fallout games which have child murder, modded or in the base game (Fallout 2). So nothing about that holds water.

                                                                                        [–]Paelmoon 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                        You clearly haven't played the game.

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                                                                                          [–]Cabrakan 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                          I'm not a fan of the game, It looks like a good game that fits it's desired audience and has a huge fanbase as well as a clearly passionate developer.

                                                                                          Twitch are being assholes, plain and simple and they don't like bad publicity.

                                                                                          I hope Twitch take your feedback and help you

                                                                                          [–]zevz 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                                          I know this is an unpopular opinion, but to me looking at his game I think it's reasonable for Twitch to ban his game based on their Terms Of Service. It's perfectly valid to disagree with me on that, but can anyone really be that surprised that it was?

                                                                                          Torture, bullying that leads to suicide, killing of minors, nudity of teenagers (although censored).

                                                                                          Yes there are other games that have some of these things, but you can't be that surprised that this game wasn't allowed. I think it's perfectly fine to argue the point that it should be unbanned, but in the video he gives the claim of "anime bias" and "PC culture at Twitch" and at that point the whole thing was a bit ridiculous.

                                                                                          [–]Alpha17x 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                          yes, but the point was raised, repeatedly, that they allow high profile games to bypass that based on revenue generation. so their rule enforcement is fickle and selective.

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                                                                                            [–]ivquatch 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                            Twitch'll probably have a hard time saying it explicitly in a press release, but I'm guessing their thinking is, "It's a schoolyard version of Hitman for horny weebs."

                                                                                            [–]RocketLawnchairs 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                            inb4 deletion

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