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[Post-Matchday Thread] Stoke City 1 - 1 Manchester United (self.reddevils)

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This is post-matchday, not post-match. For measured opinion and different retrospection.

Premier League Matchday 22

HT: Stoke City 1 - 0 Manchester United

FT: Stoke City 1 - 1 Manchester United

Goals:

1-0 Mata OG 19'

1-1 Rooney 90+4

Stats

Stat Stoke City Man Utd
Possession 35% 65%
Shots 6 25
On Target 1 8
Blocked 2 9
Corners 1 7
Offsides 0 6
Fouls 13 12
Passing % 71% 84%
Attacking Third % 49% 77%

Man of the Match

Lee Grant (BBC)

Premier League Table

- Team Played W D L GF GA GD Points Form
1 Chelsea 22 18 1 3 47 15 32 55 WWLWW
2 Arsenal 22 14 4 3 50 23 27 47 WWDWW
3 Spurs 22 13 7 2 45 16 29 46 WWWWD
4 Liverpool 22 13 6 3 51 27 24 45 WWDDL
5 Man City 22 13 4 5 43 28 15 43 WLWLD
6 Man United 22 11 8 3 33 21 12 41 WWWDD

Post-Match Pressers

Jose (Post-Match Interview)

Rooney (Post-Match Interview)

Jose (Post-Match Press Conference)

Jose: "It was a big game with two teams in the beginning trying to win. But after 25 minutes one team tried to win and the other tried to defend, which they did amazingly well. They showed great work-rate and did everything to try and stop us. We did everything well except in front of our target. We missed unbelievable chances. We hit the post, the keeper saves, we missed chances. The opposition goalkeepers are always amazing against us"

Hughes: "We are disappointed but we need to pick ourselves up. We were within seconds of beating a very good Manchester United team. My only criticism to the guys is that we didn't keep the ball long enough. We are good enough to do that but we needed more care to get up the other end of the pitch. In the end we tried to protect what we had and I can't criticise what we did for the free kick."

On Rooney's Record

Rooney: "It means a hell of a lot. It is a great honour and I am very proud. It is difficult at the minute to be over-pleased because of the result, but in the grand scheme it is huge honour. It is not something I expected when I joined. I am proud and I hope there is more to come. The players who have played for this club have been world class"

Jose: "The record is the record. It is the record of the biggest club in England and one of the biggest in the world. Before him the record belonged to a legend of English football. Now Wayne becomes a legend of Manchester United."

Sir Bobby: "I would be lying to say that I'm not disappointed to have lost the record. However, I can honestly say that I'm delighted for Wayne. He deserves his place in the history books. He is a true great for club and country, and it is fitting that he is now the highest goalscorer for both United and England."

Sir Alex: "Wayne thoroughly deserves his place in the history books of this great club and I am sure that he will go on to score many more goals. Well done Wayne, I am absolutely delighted for you, you have been a great servant to this club and long may it continue"

Hughes: "It is an outstanding record and won't be surpassed. It has taken 40-odd years for Sir Bobby's record to be broken which shows how high a mark it was."

Links

Match Thread / Post-Match Thread

BBC Report

Highlights/Full Match Download or Watch Online

Next Match: Hull City (A) - KO 19:45 BST, Thursday 26th January - EFL Semi-Final Leg 2

Following 5 Matches: Wigan (H) *, Hull City (H), Leicester City (A), Watford (H), St Etienne (H)**

* FA Cup
** Europa League

Some Thoughts

  • Big missed opportunity to pick up 3 points last night and poor finishing let us down once more. Unlucky to concede through a deflected cross, we became our worst enemy afterwards and summed up our season with good approach play and awful finishing. Ibra hesitating to shoot, Mata missing an open net, Mkhi blazing over, Rashford firing wide, Rooney heading over etc. Just painful to watch and so frustrating to watch, especially whilst Stoke wasted time by booting the ball away all the time and Clattenburg let them (I remember when we had a free-kick on the half-wayline, Valencia went to take it and Arnautovic backheeled it miles away before he could. Clattenburg watching decided against even having a word. Was ridiculous). Weak officiating, poor finishing and the worst atmosphere (90 minutes of shrill whistling anyone?) just made for a horrible match

  • On a side-moan about the above we're ranked 18th for shot conversion and 20th for "clear-chance" conversion (although I don't know what goes into that particular stat). We've scored 12 less goals than Spurs with 15 less shots and 18 less goals than Liverpool with 6 less shots. We've scored 13 less goals than Chelsea with 60 more shots and 17 less goals than Arsenal with 32 more shots. This is all bad - at least we're creating multiple chances but the players simply need to start putting the ball away.

  • Has been raised in its own post but I was going to mention it anyway; Our threat from set pieces (corners, free-kicks) is pathetic given our height and set piece takers. We're 18th in the league from set pieces and every corner is either hitting the first man or floating aimlessly up and down - I don't understand how this isn't being changed or worked on and, if it is, I don't understand the lack of progress!

  • On a positive note though, we have (after 22 games) the third best defence in the league behind Spurs and Chelsea and this has formed the backbone of our 17 game undefeated run. With games coming up against Hull (home and away) and Wigan we should, hopefully, be able to make it 20 games undefeated and continue to put pressure on the Top 4 for the run in. The lack of points being dropped by the rest of them does make this weekend's result more frustrating though but hey, positive note - unbeaten still.

  • On a second positive note; Rooney's 250th goal. Top goalscorer for us, top goalscorer for England. Whatever else you may think of him that's an outstanding achievement to reach and he deserves every single piece of praise for reaching that target.

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[–]OTownTrillaFoRilla 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Bitter taste after 3 rivals dropped points but I'm incredibly glad we battled and came away with something after sputtering around for 90 minutes.

[–]rinilkvMata 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Why are we playing on Thursday next!?

Usually cup matches are played on Tuesday / Wednesday.

[–]crab--person 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Think it was meant to be tuesday but was changed because Hull were already scheduled for the late tv game on sunday v Chelsea.

[–]RVallant 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The third positive is we're back to nicking goals in Fergie Time. >_>

Let's be honest, the last two seasons I don't think many of us held much hope as a game ticked into the 95th minute and we saw Daley Blind play it back to De Gea from the opposition's penalty area. ¬_¬

Obviously, would be nicer if it was a Fergie time goal to win it 2-1. But I'll take it.

Match aside, I'm still confident in the team. It's looking good, entertaining to watch. I'm confident we'll hit top four by the end of the season, and I'm really looking forward to seeing how well we do in the three cups. I don't even want to think about next season just yet, but if I had to I'd say we're in a good place to kick on to even better things considering this is Mou's first season. =D

[–]D1794Viva Ronaldo 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Shame as 3 teams above us dropped points but we definitely deserved something from the game. They got lucky, they barely threatened and managed to get an OG. Mata just HAS to bury that sitter. If we scored in the 1st half it's a different game. TBH i dont know how we didnt score.

Another day and we win this comfortably but wasn't to be.

[–]MyWholeTeamsDeadDavid de Wall 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Seriously, before Rooney's strike, when was the last time we converted from a free kick directly (not counting cross > header goals)?

[–]Yeahthatsnotright5Herrera 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

We gotta start finishing, we just gotta

[–]ScientificShrimpRvN 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Stoke have mugged us of good and proper this season. They somehow got 2 points against us when we should have scored about 12 against them and got all 6.

[–]soccerkid006 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hard done by the early own goal and on one hand I'm happy since we created more than enough chances to put the game away but on the other hand we really should've finished at least 2 of those. I'm so happy that Wazza finally got 250 he more than deserves it. Looking at the big picture this draw hurts since we missed a valuable chance to close the gap on 4 teams and I definitely agree that we are not scoring enough goals

[–]kjabs87 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Frustrating result when looking at the points aspect. We could have leaped over city. But it was a hard fight with us getting many chances. Wasn't too happy with clatts decisions. But we fought hard and got a point. Can't wait for our strikers to be hitting the back of the net with the many chances we create. I will say I wasn't too happy with some of joses decisions on subs. I think felli and Mikhi were two of our better players till they came off. Also think we should have put mikhi at lb and taken blind off for one of the subs. We didn't fully need 4 at the back with the amount of pressure we had and he could have got forward and helped a lot in attack.

[–]CooldownReduction6 Pogba 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I feel like Jose made some mistakes with his subs, i felt like Mata should have been the first to come off instead of Fellaini, he had played well and was linking the play well. I also felt the Mkhi could have stayed on and could have gone to his LB role which he was done before, by swapping him for Blind we would have more presence overlapping on the left and would have stretched Stokes defense wider allowing for more opportunities.

I feel like Martial or Rashford need to be in the team at any one time as we seem to lack pace without them. Mkhitaryan is quick but doesn't rip defenses apart with it but glide through.

[–]SeasickSykes"Oh Alan Shearer was F%#king Dearer" -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Glad for Wayne, that aside, i'm still pissed off, one at the conversion ratio we have... and two, this rule right here.

  1. The ball inside the field touches a person other than a player

If, when the ball is in play, it touches the referee or an assistant referee who is temporary on the field of play, play continues because the referee and the assistant referees are part of the match.

Clattenburg got in our way twice, the first time (just outside the box) was from a really decent moment of play, and could have led to a goal. How this rule stands i'll never know.

Why can't in those instances the ball be either a free kick, or.... in more questionable circumstances, a drop ball?

I know it relies a lot on who is at fault in the first place, which is a different beast in itself considering standard decisions can't be made these days, but it was blatantly just Clattenburg being in a bad position, he was stood right in the middle of the pitch near the penalty arc, as the ball was played across into the middle just outside the area, the ball hit him just as it was reaching our player (i forget who it was), the other time was just in the middle of the field, nothing major, but one of the instances really affected our build up.

It's never addressed.

Maybe someone has a more rational opinion on this, and can clear up that it's not bollocks, because I don't get it.

[–]Shutupcrime1337Ibrahimovic 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Because that would directly indicate the referee being at fault. This we can't have.

[–]SeasickSykes"Oh Alan Shearer was F%#king Dearer" 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Indeed it would, in some instances anyway, sometimes though, of course, it is the players fault, and in that scenario play should just continue.

I get your answer, on the other hand i'm curious, what type of answer was it?

Were you being more facetious, like, "don't be ridiculous, we can't have that, referees, admitting fault... that'll be the day", or more serious, like, "Nah, ref's admitting fault during play would be extremely hard to enforce, because it essentially could lead to discrepencies about their professionalism and questions as to bias towards a particular side."

I mean, it's probably both, i particularly fall on the side of "it's too difficult to enforce". But that doesn't mean it will stop getting on my nerves, I was screaming at Clattenberg when it hit him.

I'd also love to say we were lucky to get a point, but we were unlucky to drop two, i'm glad Chelsea face Arsenal and Liverpool next, there's dropped points there I reckon we can capitlise on there, hopefully anyway.