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[–]BloodyKitten5 Alters, 3 Tulpa 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (1子コメント)

When I first saw a trailer, initial thought...

OH GOD, WHY?

When it finished...

WHY CAN THEY NEVER PORTRAY THOSE WITH DID AS ACTUAL DID PATIENTS?

These kind of movies incite victim blaming. A person with DID was a victim. This kind of movie tells people they are dangerous, and you must blame any and all bad things on the person with DID. They are faulty, they are bad, they are responsible for anything that goes wrong... it's all bullshit.

The writers need to take a long walk off a short pier while wearing concrete boots, or, you know, APOLOGIZE to all the people they hurt by making movies like this.

[–]Havik989[Okami] 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Agreed. Movies like this are why mental health and disorders are demonized and treated so differently than physical debilitations and injuries even though in my eyes I don't see much of a difference. People afraid to get treatment for simple disorders and poor people with disorders avoided like the plague. Ugh it's sad.

[–]fordaplotAscended Tulpamancer 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (1子コメント)

This needs to be posted places outside r/tulpas. Perhaps you could nix the tulpa part and try submitting it to places like Huffpost? I could see an article like this on a site like that.

[–]NutellaIsDeliciousOsaka system - nia, [Nat], {Hector}, et al. 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I agree. /u/Falunel, you should submit this somewhere where it can get more views, where it can make more of an impact.

[–]ZenithalZayaHost {Zaya} [Rhine] ~Minami~ 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Frankly, (and this is just coming from me being an advocate for mental health my entire life) I found the trailer offensive from day one and have resolved to never see it.

M. Night isn't even that terrific of a directer, and now he has to go around stepping on an entire class of society just to get a rise out of "normal" people.

Also, I didn't see a mention of the specific portion of the trailer where the "mental health professional" who states, and I quote, "people with multiple personalities can CHANGE THEIR D.N.A. WITH THEIR MIND".

As it's stated, its quite bullshit, but I'm pretty sure it comes from a little known about and little researched correlation between those with systemmates and certain medications not having any effect when that systemmate is fronting. Like, a patient is given a medication to take, and when they take it and it works, the host is currently fronting, but if a systemmate fronts and takes the medication, there is a possibility of an entirely different outcome. As far as I know, this is rare and completely overreacted about, but many individuals misquote this and think that those with disorders or even DID are somehow physically different than "normal" folk.

Again though, as this movie states it, they act as if the antagonist in the film has unlocked the secret to Nazi level morphogenics, which is really what being able to change your DNA with your mind would be.

[–]TimbredoodleDreams and Dreamers 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wow, I didn't know it went that far. It's literal comic book logic. Like those goofy slightly dated comics where taking a dip in hazardous chemical waste gives you impossible super senses. (Too bad about the eyesight though!)

Makes sense considering this movie takes place in the same world as M. Night Shamaylan's actual comic book superhero movie Unbreakable

Something something thematic pretenses I guess.

[–]KaynanK{F} [S] <A> |C| /V/ 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

On the bright side, this movie probably can't be less faithful to the source material than The Last Airbender.

[–]TimbredoodleDreams and Dreamers 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I've heard the portrayal of the guy with DID sucks, but I have to be completely honest here...I'm legitimately stoked for the implications of that "twist" at the end.

[–]ThatsSoWizard50 -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (7子コメント)

A) It wouldn't matter if the portrayal was wrong, demeaning, or inaccurate, it's A FUCKING MOVIE.

B) You are wrong. The disorder is not the cause of the villainy. Check your facts and actually watch the movie before spouting nonsense.

Also I saw it twice and GLADLY paid money for both tickets. I can't wait to show it to even more people.

[–]RasputennBram{Verdun} 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

There's a theory in mass communication called Cultivation Theory, which states that media we consume can influence our perception of the world. For example, media that contains large amounts of crime can make a person believe that the crime rate is much higher than it actually is.

I haven't seen the movie so I can't comment on its portrayal of those with DID, but this is generally one of the reasons people protest against misrepresentation in media. Even if something is fictional, it can still have a very real impact on what people believe to be true.

[–]CambrianCrewShea/JSheaForrest, with Jas, Doc, Varyn, and Aeraya 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Re Point B-- Kevin was not a kidnapper or murderer. If he didn't have DID with alters who were capable of committing those crimes, none of that would have happened.

Regarding point A. The stigma generated by this movie and all the other movies and TV shows before it, is 100% absolutely REAL. Friends of ours have experienced it. We Crew have experienced it, both with my ex who at first thought we were wrapped up in a delusional fantasy (because multiplicity, of whatever kind, "doesn't exist in real life, it's only in movies and crap like that", and urged me to snap out of it and get back to "God's reality". Then he, and the "licensed counselor" pastor at our church (so out of date he didn't know it wasn't called Multiple Personality Disorder and hasn't been since the 90s) was convinced I needed to either "get rid of" (kill) my tulpas because they obviously HAD to be dangerous, or that I was "demon possessed". Gee, I wonder where those ideas came from?

Thank God for our actually informed, knowledgeable therapist who (with consultation from a psychiatrist) reassured us we were neither demon possessed nor had DID, and tried to reassure my husband of that, but without success. We ended up divorcing because I couldn't stomach the thought of "getting rid of" my tulpas. They thought it would be a simple little thing, like telling a friend "Hey we can't hang out together anymore, sorry". It doesn't work like that with tulpas or any other kind of systemmate. It's a long, arduous process. To use their friend analogy, it would be less like saying "Hey sorry" and more like locking them away and barring every escape attempt and watching them starve to death. There's no way I could do that to them. They've done nothing wrong -- except exist. But they feared the worst. Because they had no foundation for believing any differently.

He'd been my best friend for a decade. (I'd had Jas for a few years before he and I met.) Then I came out to him about my tulpas, and the stigma of "multiple personality" tore us apart. I lost him. Lost my church home and all his and my mutual friends. Thankfully didn't lose my family, though they don't really understand. I'm afraid of the wrong people finding out about it at work because of how easily I could lose my job. I could lose my driver's licence because multiples aren't considered safe to drive. I want to adopt kids one day but very well might not be allowed to if they learn I'm plural.

That's the price of stigma. That's the stigma that movies like this perpetuate. THAT'S why we're against it so damn hard.

[–]ThatsSoWizard50 -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Blame stupid people, not the movies.

[–]CambrianCrewShea/JSheaForrest, with Jas, Doc, Varyn, and Aeraya 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Where do these people get their ideas from? What sort of things create those biases and reinforce them?

It's not just DID, btw. There's HUGE stigma against any kind of mental illness these days. All that stigma and bias layers up on each other. It sinks in deep, into the subconscious. And it affects people who are ignorant and educated alike.

I would say that it's not so much that it's "stupid people" who are most guilty of perpetuating the stigma. It's people who are more close-minded, unwilling or unable to examine their biases and see them for what they are. But while they're partly to blame, the root cause of those biases is at least equally, maybe even more to blame.

[–]ThatsSoWizard50 -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

No, they're not. Its no different than blaming video games for violent kids. Movies are not a form of education. Teach people right from wrong, fantasy from reality. The fault lies within the ignorance of those too foolish to learn the facts themselves.

[–]CambrianCrewShea/JSheaForrest, with Jas, Doc, Varyn, and Aeraya 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Unlike attributing violence to video games, I'm attributing a belief set about a subset of humanity to the established portrayal of those persons in media.

Let's imagine that instead of it being about mental health, it was about religion. We'll even use one that's been stigmatized in the same way -- Wicca.

Odds are, most people don't know many Wiccans. Or if they do, they don't know that that person is a Wiccan. All they do know is that little thing they've heard about what it "means": "witchcraft". If they're Christian or Jewish or Muslim, they've been taught by their faith to avoid witchcraft. That it's dangerous. And they equate that with Wicca.

Then add in the media.

Let's imagine that criminals often use their "faith" as a defense: "It wasn't me, it was my spirit familiar possessing me!" (Much like people using MPD/DID as a "defense", despite usually not having it.) And that gets reported in the news. Talked about with friends and coworkers.

Then add in Hollywood. Let's imagine that Wicca is never shown in a positive way. In police procedurals the "twist" that the suspect is Wiccan leads to the reveal that they're the criminal. They're always the criminals. Always the dangerous people to avoid. Movies always show them as the bad guys.

That makes a very solid foundation for an unshakeable bias. One that creates a very uncomfortable cognitive dissonance when people try to tell you, "No, that's not at all what Wicca is really about!"

And the gut instinct when faced with that kind of situation is to dismiss the new evidence. It doesn't jive with what you knew before so therefore it must be wrong.

See the Wikipedia articles on the Semmelweis effect and belief perseverance for more about that gut instinct.

These people aren't stupid. They're not just believing a movie. They're biased and they don't even know it.

I want to help change that subconscious bias. That starts with stopping the bias-confirming portrayals. And hopefully, adding more bias-destroying, accurate portrayals, not just to Hollywood, but everywhere.

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