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SOCJUSWashington DC Virtual Reality Meetup Group Has Been Infiltrated and Taken Over By SJW Feminists (self.KotakuInAction)

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A large Meetup group for Virtual Reality in Washington DC that I'm a casual member of recently posted an event about spreading SJW feminist ideology in gaming

http://imgur.com/a/bRH7h

Read up on some of these organizations - full-on Anita-style ideologues.

I left the group as a result, but I forgot to fill in the "reason why" box to explain why.

I wish there were something I could do to fix this.

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[–]SubatomicSeahorse 48 ポイント49 ポイント  (4子コメント)

All it takes is a few meek men and a few authoritarian sophists to tell/assertively shout "good news everyone.......your all pigs"

That's why communities with very little women or a few feminist males can have drastic implications to the group.my next point atually sad not in a im joking way, it's just sad because alot of these people really struggle with "correct" social interactions so any girl telling them what to do, they will do.

while it's not that simple, it does hold quite true like gun nuts metal head and gamers(just about held them off, lucky most were so radical other wise it could have been much worse) while smaller communities like board games suffer worse because the are less people to say fuck off and designers of the games see afew people saying how racist the game is and well its a small company that sells units in the 1000 so im must change where as i think alot of game devs know the are a lot that support there creative non PC freedom

[–]MistressCelius 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (3子コメント)

I'm sorry, but that last paragraph was really hard to read. The first paragraph was barely passable but the second paragraph was a giant run-on sentence. Not to mention almost incoherent. I made a small too hard to read; summary in below:

Anyway, to the topic on hand:

So from what I understand is that smaller communities and companies end up catering to these people in an effort to grow their community/customer base. They (the community/developers) want to express creative freedom but feel completely stifled by the PCs.

I feel like if there wasn't customers at all for the genre, it wouldn't be invested on at all by the community.

[–]LivebeefTwit 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's not that simple that economics alone would explain it. In the image the OP posted, there's reference to political activists and cultures that have a nexus to gaming but not necessarily on the consumer end. Cultures such as marketing and social science.

[–]solariant 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Strange that you should see it that way - if that really were the case don't you think you would hear people speaking out against it? Small communities and game designers saying "I am being stifled by PCs into making SJW friendly games"? Not something I've come across personally so not sure how you would develop the idea that this problem exists.

[–]MistressCelius 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't know if this is what the poster was going for but that's how I understood it. Anyone please correct me if I'm wrong.

Lately, I've been reading (not much but there's some) some posts and blogs about how devs has gotten some criticism about including (or not) a certain subset of characters here instead of focusing on their main selling point in their product. They got two choices at this point: Tell the SJWs to fuck off or they comply. We usually know what happens at the end of their choices.

Based on the above and what I interpreted what the poster of this particular thread (not the OP) that is how I came to such conclusions.

My opinion:

It just winds down to how well the marketing is for such product and if people will bite. Any publicity, even bad ones will shed more light and therefore would attract more people to the piece at hand.

I've actually seen a similar post on the Facebook VR group I follow for my local city too, and it was asked about it during a panel. The answers made by a particular female developer just elaborated that it winds down to how many of the LGBT/women they can draw into the development cycle as well.

[–]diogenesofthemidwest 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (2子コメント)

If there's no saving the org then no effort lost.

Create better content, not that hard seeing Brianna Wu's offerings. Not antifeminist specifically, but just good. Feminist 'approvals' are highly correlated with failure.

The market (GG in particular) will embrace good.

[–]LivebeefTwit 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

GG has a bunch of gamers in it, but it isn't a primarily gaming-focused group or market. At least, it hasn't been for about two years. Plenty of people here are gamers, but gaming is clearly not their primary passion.

[–]fac1[S] -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

gaming is clearly not their primary passion

How do you figure that? GG is about protecting gaming from SJWs and speaking out against corruption and dishonesty in gaming journalism. How do you get from that that gaming isn't our primary passion? We wouldn't care so much about protecting gaming or the state of gaming journalism if we weren't passionate about gaming.

[–]BukM1 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Vote with your feet/time, if an organisation panders to this cancer is should spell the end of it as talented capable individuals will drop out everywhere.

the learned message should be "the more you pander to this crap the more your organisation will dissolve"

pure market forces

[–]MagnusBradley 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Feminism is cancer

[–]ADampDevil 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (0子コメント)

What evidence do they have that it is "especially noticeable in the emerging VR ecosystem", I mean they have a number of women in that panel all involved, and several of them seem to be the head/founder of something in VR, do they not higher other women?

[–]Confirmation_Biased 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Great, I'm a Vive owner living in DC and before I even really heard of this group I've been given a reason to stay far away from it. Le sigh.

I'm willing to harbor a guess that men are significantly more interested in VR on a whole. It's star Trek Sci Fi futuristic shit. That practically screams nerdy man shit. It's also emergent technology so only a small percentage of people, mainly enthusiasts, are going to be interested in it and willing to shell out the high cost, as well as time/effort, to help push the technology forward.

Yes, there are going to inevitably be some women are interested in VR too but on the whole it's a man's game. Everything is a spectrum but just like the wage gap is really an earnings gap, I have a feeling this - just like in gaming - is an enthusiasm gap. If all the men who have pioneered VR to the point that it is stepped aside for women, VR would just go away. If the industry tried to force a 50% participation rate in VR development, they'd run into the same issue John Carmack faced when asked why there isn't greater representation of women

"we are having a hard time hiring all the people that we want. It doesn’t matter what they look like."

Once again, this isn't a matter of reducing bias or closing any kind of gender gap in an emergent technology field. This is SJWs wanting to co-opt another medium that they can use to push their agenda. Coincidentally, it happens to be another one brought to prominence by nerdy men; the SJW favorite punching bag.

3rd wave feminists can't create, they can only co-opt. It's sickening.

Edit: this is anecdotal and not meant to be a general rule. I have a female boss, around 30 years old, who told me that her husband bought a Vive for their son this christmas. She was upset by it and wants it returned. Still, she asked me what to expect from it and I told her which games/experiences to get as well as informed her about things like VR sickness. She used every negative about it to try and justify returning it. To this day, she has refused to even try it while her husband and son have begun building their own specific VR gaming room in their basement.

In fact, I work in a department that has 5 women and 5 men. I've invited all of them over to my place to try it. So far, 3 men have come by (one is coming by tomorrow in fact) and not a single girl has shown interest. Beyond that, one woman - my boss who is like 30 years old - refuses to try the one she owns and is doing everything in her power to get her husband to return it as she thinks it's a giant waste of money.

Again, anecdotal and clearly not a rule. Still, every dude here is super interested in it. Every girl has reacted like it's an absurdly overpriced toy for little boys. All of these people are between 22 and 40 too so it's not like they're a bunch of middle aged people either.

[–]fac1[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Lots of good points. I will say that VR does seem to interest ladies more than other video games - at least after they've tried it. Before they've tried it, they definitely tend to judge it negatively and judge the guy talking about it negatively. But after trying it, it does seem to be more enjoyable for them than typical video games.

This isn't the first time a social group I've been in DC (Meetup or otherwise) has been infiltrated and taken over by SJWs. Not the 2nd time either. Nor the 3rd time. At least the 5th time - probably more I'm not remembering.

Someone else suggested making a new DC VR meetup group where this kind of politicization isn't allowed. I don't have time right now (hadn't even gotten around to attending an event with this group, though I was planning on it). Maybe if you have time, you should put together a group.

[–]LivebeefTwit 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

You know the activists seek out these groups, right? It may be a good idea to seek out the original head of the groups that got taken over and ask them wtf happened.

[–]fac1[S] -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I know they seek them out. But if a group is started and explicitly makes it clear that politics is not allowed, it could have some degree of defense from them.

[–]thatmarksguy 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

If most women aren't interested in joining a VR group, what happens to those women that are interested but the group turned in to another gender propaganda shriekingfest with so sorry cucks serving as little slaves to a cause unrelated to virtual reality?

Gender activist only want to take over platforms as a means of virtue signaling and to parrot their self promoting self important drivel with hopes of extracting money/favors/connections from the acquired "social capital".

Then when everything is destroyed, a new group was formed where they can enjoy VR salon will write an article about how women aren't welcome in male VR spaces.

[–]wetnax 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (5子コメント)

This means there will be a gap in the market for another normal meetup. Start looking into setting it up yourself!

[–]wetnax 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (4子コメント)

"[She] runs a majority woman-owned tech company"

Yeah, THAT'S how we'll fix the gender gap. Refusing to hire men based on gender = sexism solved!

[–]Confirmation_Biased 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Just like Wu and Rev 60, they'll probably make something that would be laughed at if developed by a team of men only since it's women it will get plenty of coverage and be considered exemplary by the media. Then they'll continue on whinging about male gender bias in technology, all without a single shred of irony.

[–]C4Cypher"Privilege" is just a code word for "Willingness to work hard" 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

As if such a thing wasn't illegal as all hell.

[–]LivebeefTwit 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

To be fair, majority-women-owned doesn't necessarily mean there was bias in hiring. For all you know it could've been founded by a group of friends of which there were more women than men in said group.

[–]fac1[S] -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

True - if it's a small company with just a few people. If it gets any bigger than a few people, odds are there's discrimination going on.

[–]loss_of_clock 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

The first two speakers don't sound necessarily bad. If you read their introductions, you'll see they have qualifications and achievements. After a decade in and around the military I have learned to spot bullshit in performance reports and awards packages. Everyone and their mother is a cofounder of a start-up. This only starts being impressive if that start-up was sold for a lot of money. Being CEO of a 2 to 10 person company is not impressive and IMO is purposely misleading. A better and more respectable term for that is owner and propieter.

Also, the claim that women are under represented in VR is in part proven wrong with their list of speakers. They have gathered 5 women who own or operate their own VR company or academic working group, sounds like a good showing for woemn in VR.

They provided a schedule, come and go when you please. Only stay if the catering is good. No need to walk away completely.

[–]fac1[S] 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

You make some good points, but there is clearly an ideological agenda for the overall event, given the description and given that the majority of the speakers seem to be pushing Anita-style SJW identity politics.

[–]loss_of_clock 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Lack of gender diversity plagues the tech industry as a whole, but it's especially noticeable in the emerging VR ecosystem. Men currently make up the majority of VR entrepreneurs, developers, and even event attendees. If virtual and augmented reality really is the future of computing, we need to ensure that the same harmful gender biases we're rooting out of the current tech industry don't infect the next one.

You're right, that event description does sound Sarkeesian. However the real harm would be found in what the speakers actually say. Encouraging women to join tech isn't necessarily bad. The blame game and high school popularity contests that lots of women's advocates play is the bad part. If the event blames men, advocates preferential treatment of women in the free market, or doesn't spend enough time on some aspect of VR, just leave that particular event, and take some of that free food for the road. Or if you are feeling up for it, stick around for the Q&A, ask pointed questions, and don't let them get away with spouting bullshit.

I'm just afraid you'll give up something you love just because of the slightest threat of identity politics. If you love it, defend it. When the presidential election brought a lot of politics into KiA, I almost quit, I thought it was a diversion from the main issue. But I love games and I will defend them, so I stick around, wade through stupid political shit to participate in the important issues.

[–]holy_black_on_a_popo 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (11子コメント)

Women: "Hey! This new thing is awesome or has the potential to be! Let's fucking ruin it!"

[–]fac1[S] 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (10子コメント)

Women Feminists. Don't make the same mistake feminists make by conflating the two words.

[–]holy_black_on_a_popo 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (9子コメント)

I stand by my original statement.

[–]fac1[S] -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (6子コメント)

So... you're gay then? Nothing wrong with that if you are, but just wanted to clarify.

[–]holy_black_on_a_popo 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Like you wouldn't believe.

[–]fac1[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Okay. Well, as a straight man, I'm 110% for bringing more ladies into my hobby, and making it more respected by women. But these ideologues are doing it all wrong and ruining everything, and they do not represent the interests of the average woman - only the politically extreme SJWs - maybe 10%.

[–]holy_black_on_a_popo 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

k.

[–]LivebeefTwit 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

They scare away a bunch of women and have a penchant for bullying and blackmailing.

What they do is encourage SJWs to enter the field.

[–]lil-zsWifesBoyfriend 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The nice guy white knight approach never fails. You will be fighting them off with a stick, I'm sure.

[–]LivebeefTwit -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

You're on the wrong board, buddy. You want https://boards.4chan.org/r9k/.

[–]WindowsCrashuser 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

If they're legitimately trying to get women into the Virtual Reality technology industry.Then they need to know reality of VR technology is mostly researching and fine tuning since this technology been around longer then I can remember and people are still trying to figure it out.

[–]matthew_lane 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

So anyone want to start a betting pool to guess how few people show up.

[–]Throwcrapwhatsticks 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

If you have any connections in the group, ask them if they would help you create a group with a more "enthusiast" focus.

Basically make another group that's labelled in a way that they won't approach it, sometimes they will shy away from something that is too nerdy, but not "mainstream nerdy". Does that sound helpful?

[–]LivebeefTwit 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Won't work. The activists actively seek out these groups.

You need a plan to defend against them. Expect they'll someday come and be sure to refute their sociopathy in a well-reasoned manner. Support your values and do not be the first one to introduce gender-politically-charged terms like misogyny, sexism, racism, egalitarianism, or any other kind of -ism. A VR-focused group is about VR. It is not about social activism nor will you tolerate bullying and coercion towards that effect.

[–]fac1[S] -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The simplest plan would just be to have a rule of "no politics".

[–]doctor_rockstar 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I don't understand this mind set. People were pushing themselves and developing technology for years in VR, but now that it's starting to look profitable and the heavy lifting is being done, now it's time to start pushing minorities and women into money-making positions?

Why don't these untapped women start working on their own software? Why jump on top of someone else's work?

[–]C4Cypher"Privilege" is just a code word for "Willingness to work hard" 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Why don't these untapped women start working on their own software? Why jump on top of someone else's work?

The question answers itself. Socialist Justice doesn't believe in meritocracy. They believe that they're entitled to the efforts of other people's work because of 'systemic oppression'. That or they're just hungry for power and using 'social justice' as a cover for their bullying.

[–]mnemosyne-0001 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

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