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MetaQuestions and value. (self.TheRedPill)

ModeratorPaperStreetVilla が 投稿 - announcement

Not so friendly trp. Moderator here with a PSA.

I have a pet peeve. Due diligence. Guys who are here and don't respect their brothers enough to do the bare minimum and read.

It manifests with base questions, misunderstanding of the absolute basics, and some idea, that because they read the donald, asian masculinity , or alt-right that they are redpill. Trp is trp, period. Want to cry because Indian women fuck white men? Cry over there. Want to save the white race? Make yourself fuckable to white chicks. We like trump as an alpha male archetype, but this isnt your political movement

Value leeches look at it like a buffet. Give me what i want. This consumer attitude is what women and children do, and has no place here. They cause the contributors to get frustrated and leave. They are the people that make this place, and your goal needs to be aspiring to be one, not leeching off them. They are here to talk with their fellow man, and swap notes between them.

I'm rambling, but here's the point. If you currently do not lift, have not shown you have read the sidebar through your comments, or bothered to create a positive masculine identity and think you have a place among the men here, you are sorely mistaken.

It makes me grumpy, ill own that. I will also take time to establish that rule 0 isn't fucking optional.

No more mental Masturbation, no more crying about being Asian, no more bullshit. You are here to be a better man, or you will make room for those who do.

No amount of 500 word essays can polish a turd

glo.

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[–]Modredpillschool[M] [スコア非表示] stickied comment (1子コメント)

The reason TRP is such a joy for me to read is that the collective knowledge of the men here often brings new light or perspective to questions I've had my whole life.

I always like pulling back the curtain and learning the hidden mechanisms that control behavior and culture.

Those posts are excellent here. Discussion of why and how men and women operate.

If you just read the sidebar and went out last night and managed to talk to a bunch of girls without getting slapped, that's great news, but not post-worthy.

If you realized something new and useful, a new working model that improves on our sidebar, that is post worthy.

[–]super_hater 32 ポイント33 ポイント  (9子コメント)

Sorry this is off topic, but is there nothing we can do about a recent surge of commenters that are moralizing? I see so many upvoted comments on posts where they moralize about what is a "real man" and what is wrong and what is not. They create entire arguments and theories based on their own moral and ethical views. I thought this was against the rules? I noticed this happens a lot on asktrp especially.

[–]ModeratorPaperStreetVilla[S] 29 ポイント30 ポイント  (3子コメント)

We arent ubermench, it's just guys. We have jobs, we lift, we run game, and cant monitor 24/7.

If you see something, report it. Most have it on mobile, and it will send the reports direct to our inbox, where we can easily clean house. Our automod is good, but it can't catch context. If you think someone else reported it, report it anyways.

Moralizing is shitty. Guys have strategy, your morals have no place in there.

When I first started, it was brutal. Now its miles ahead of that, but still only half of it makes it to the inbox,

so i will do my part, as will the other guys, but if has to be all of us, or it aint gonna work.

As for the questions. We all fall for it occasionally, but every answer on trp main emboldens another guy.

Hope it helps. My goal in the next month is to have a front Page people we can be proud of.

Many omegas will be lost...

[–]whatsthisgarg 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

but every answer on trp main emboldens another guy.

Right. Perhaps temp ban dudes who actually answer clear "personal questions go to asktrp"? Do you do that? I know it's a bit of work, but if it's made known that's what's going to happen...

[–]ModeratorPaperStreetVilla[S] 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

at least a handful a day, yes.

[–]HookersAndBlow4ME 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yea I got blasted by a bunch of holier than thou asshats the other day.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Welcome to the club, we have weights and red meat. They're amusing when they downvote me, and argue about their ideology trying to make everyone fit their mold. Kids are like that, especially religious kids.

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    [–]super_hater 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Funny how you deleted your previous comments though. I guess you're embarrassed.

    At the end of the day, rules are rules and trp moderators agree with me. Your morals have no place here. There is no "advice" or "wisdom" you can give me. Fuck off.

    [–]KSakuraba 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    I very rarely post even though I have lurked here for years. New people shouldn't really post at all

    [–]188Will88 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    You can post anything you like Gracie Hunter

    [–]Komotionul 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I just post thank yous to the contributors. This place has taught me much and I have much to learn.

    [–]agreatfuckinusername 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    agreed! newbs like myself need to focus on:

    1. sidebar

    2. lifting

    listen better than speak. I come here to learn. I have little to teach yet. Low effort posts waste my time.

    [–]thisisscaringme 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    We should consider making this permanent. In 2012 when I first found this place I was Questions McGee because I was terrified of doing things wrong. One of the first changes I made (since I was already a runner and lifter and making good money) was to change how I addressed women by speaking only in statements. That alone yield significant results and I carried it over to real life conversations. Nothing destroys your image faster than asking questions, with both men and women. It automatically places you below those you are asking even if they dom't have the answer. As with most things in life, the way to get answers isn't to ask questions it's to shut the fuck up and listen.

    "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt."

    I'm so fucking happy to be back here.

    [–]ModeratorPaperStreetVilla[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Its always been here, we are only stepping it up sleightly, and making it more visible.

    Without the moderators culling, youd be surprised what makes it in here.

    [–]The_BitterTruth 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (4子コメント)

    Thanks for the post, Maybe make it a sticky?

    Especially on asktrp, it seems like most of the shit would be answered if people read the sidebar. Or just got another girl.

    My goal in the next month is to have a front Page people we can be proud of.

    We don't have many guide lines that really break down what a "good" or "quality" post is. It seems like people see what get's upvoted and try to imitate it.

    Maybe we could make a outline for what to and what not to post on TRP. Yes there is some of the what not to do's listed in the rules, but I'm thinking of something more specific as a guideline to improve the quality of the posts, not as a reminder to the rules.

    I've thought about writing something like this in the past, but don't feel like it's my place as an un-offical contributor.

    If you want I could write up a draft and PM it to you and you can decide for yourself if it's suitable.

    [–]ModeratorPaperStreetVilla[S] 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Naw, this is up long enough that regulars will know better.

    As for quality, if the guidelines in the sidebar arent good enough, its always good to ask yourself "what value is the reader getting"?

    Bitching about femenism? None

    A strategy they can use to better navigate life, through example? Plenty

    [–]The_BitterTruth 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Alright, I'll write something up along those lines. If you don't feel like it's suitable I won't take it personally if you delete it.

    [–]ModeratorPaperStreetVilla[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    looking forward to it man. your art of STFU was a nice read, and probably one of the best things I needed to learn in my 20s

    [–]TomFoo 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    If Bitter does another comparably solid post like art of stfu, I'd like to see him with a badge. Fucking earning it.

    [–]TomFoo 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Thank you for this timely post, Paper. As a 5'8" Asian American, I will take this as a green light to shit on weaponized tears fresh off the boat from asianmasculinity. No one cares about your struggles, my fellow yellows.

    [–]Endorsed ContributorNeoreactionSafe 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (7子コメント)

     

    The Red Pill has since the beginning been like a seed.

    That seed once planted can grow in many directions.

    Trying to restrain and control where masculinity grows is really the very thing we are trying to get away from with the Blue Pill programming. (which produces a rigid belief system)

    That being said...

    We do have a new round of new guys and they offer a challenge to get thinking with their senses in a Red Pill way.

    You can't separate the Red Pill from the world in which it operates.

    You can't run away from the external realities.

    Much of this seems to have to do with the times we live where major transitions are occurring globally, so people are not sure yet how to react to events.

    Just calm down and get on with what we do.

    Our seed has grown very successfully.

     

    [–]ModeratorPaperStreetVilla[S] 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (6子コメント)

    Simplify. There is a clear scope of TRP.

    Back to basics, people will learn rules before they know why they should break them.

    [–]Endorsed ContributorNeoreactionSafe 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (5子コメント)

     

    One can get tired of the same entry level Red Pill stories where a young innocent beta boy falls in love only to discover his girlfriend did a gangbang while he wasn't looking.

    We often want the more advanced material from guys with families who struggle to maintain Alpha Game while life tries to push them down.

    Chad Thundercock stories tend to be bragging... they usually aren't too deep.

    But on the other extreme we don't want the Red Pill to get caught in debates with SJW types who come here to fight. It just seems better to be clear we reject the Blue Pill mythology outright and that's what I've always done.

    My attitude is to "delete" the Blue Pill and not debate it.

    That's different than agreeing that no one holds an opinion.

    I'm willingly saying I want to Enjoy the Destruction of the Blue Pill mythology.

    So there is a difference.

    Maybe one day the Red Pill will filter out guys like me... hard to know.

     

    [–]TheRedThrowAwayPill 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    One can get tired of the same entry level Red Pill stories where a young innocent beta boy falls in love only to discover his girlfriend did a gangbang while he wasn't looking.

    Actually that's exactly what some of these guys need to be force fed.

    Otherwise you broach the idea of allowing out and out cuckolds in here that will defend that because feminism.

    [–]Endorsed ContributorNeoreactionSafe 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

     

    We used to get a lot of the "Jerry Springer Show" posts and those are a lot of fun.

    Things are weird at the moment in the world... lot's of major shifts are happening. In the early days we didn't imagine of ourselves as having any influence on the larger reality and were in that sense very humble and focused entirely inward. But the larger reality is feeling our "Red Pilling" really hard these days. The global Blue Pill is in a state of panic.

    My guess is we will find a new equilibrium eventually, but right now things are extremely unstable.

    Watch how it plays out... I'm sort of laying back to see what happens.

    Yes, we are getting a new crop of people, but we always have to dealt with that.

     

    [–]Endorsed ContributorNeoreactionSafe -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Here's something posted today:

    http://www.returnofkings.com/113075/anti-jewish-owner-of-the-daily-shoah-podcast-mike-enoch-outed-as-having-a-jewish-wife

     

    It is abundantly clear that Mike Enoch/Peinovich, whose podcast created the (((echo))) meme to identify Jews, either has substantial psychological issues or is controlled opposition. If the former is true, we genuinely wish him all the best. Perhaps his wife dominates their relationship and activities like The Daily Shoah were an attempt to contain frustration over it. Or maybe he, despite his own lack of physical conditioning, resents the woman he now finds himself with.

     

    The real problem is that Peinovich’s unhelpful political posturing has scapegoated the rest of us for a very long time. Red pill or pseudo-red pill communities form a very broad church, but consequences for one element invariably flow to others, assisted by a media very eager to be obsequious towards SJW interests.

     

    So my gut instincts were right.

    The SJW types are trying to subvert the Manosphere in any way they can.

    The most extreme anti-Semites are really controlled opposition.

    Don't fall into their trap.

     

    [–]ModeratorPaperStreetVilla[S] 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Great, so I can count on you to be the example, and stay on point with TRP's sexual strategy?

    [–]Endorsed ContributorNeoreactionSafe 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    My point was that my gut reaction on the events going on around us was correct.

    You aren't going to be able to push the Red Pill into a vacuum. It will be necessary to deal with the world as it is and as it unfolds.

    Balance is key.

    Have some entry level, some advanced and some off topic posts.

    The Blue Pill is the herd mentality and so we "go our own way" in contrast.

    Emotional conformity is not a Red Pill trait.

     

    Update

    This video just popped up today:

    https://youtu.be/APgHJXjtHd4

     

    ...pretty much hit all the important things we need to ponder as it relates to "centralization" of the Manosphere.

    Our strength is in our being free of centralization.

    Funny how quickly ideas flow on the internet. (my post here was just an hour before his video)

    The internet can potentially destroy the Blue Pill. ("Enjoy the Destruction")

     

    [–]BurnYourFlag 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Yeah I feel like we get too caught up on how to act redpill. Do not take everything on this subreddit as fact no matter how popular a post, one of the things that separate TRP men is are ability to disagree with popular narratives. We should constantly be arguing and disagreing on the best strategys for success, otherwise your frame is just crumbling to popular opinion. My second point gtfo off this site, browse this shit maybe one hour a day. I usually only come here for book suggestions. Read Books suggested on this site . you will find more value from 48 laws of power, the art of seduction, descartes rational doubts, or protagorus by plato ( greatest battle of frames I have ever read) then you will find in Chad's red pill example story about how he boned some stupid whore.

    [–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I'm so happy when you guys rub the scrubs faces in thier own excrement because then I don't have to. Well done

    [–]ModeratorPaperStreetVilla[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Not off soo easy, my swole friend. You guys are the voice that drives conversation.

    Men huddle around heirarchies, and unfortunately for you, youre one of the tips of the spear.

    [–]aeoivxlcdm 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    think you have a place

    Thinking you have a place anywhere is probably the most sub-human opinion a person can have. The whole purpose of existing as a person is to be something that has never been before.

    [–]2-4-6-0-1-1 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Speaking of reading the sidebar. I've noticed there are a lot of links that no longer work. Some content simply doesn't exist anymore such as links to TheSpearhead.

    For anyone who is new here they may not be getting the full picture because some stuff simply doesn't exist anymore.

    [–]ArkAngelEV 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I'm still waiting on being recognized by the TRP council as being fully unplugged. I've got the video resume to back it up, and my post and critiques are leagues ahead of what some already established members write.

    I want to be entered into the fraternal order. Make it so

    [–]2JamesSkepp -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (8子コメント)

    It manifests with base questions, misunderstanding of the absolute basics, and some idea, that because they read the donald, asian masculinity , or altright that they are redpill. Trp is trp, period.

    I will also take time to establish that rule 0 isnt fucking optional

    mental Masturbation

    Does this apply to EC as well? Because the quote above is basically a verbatim description of Neoreaction.

    [–]ModeratorPaperStreetVilla[S] 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (6子コメント)

    Don't

    [–]2JamesSkepp -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (5子コメント)

    You don't agree with the my opinion that he seems to don't understand the basic TRP concepts and his forcefull mixing of TRP and conspiracies?

    [–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (4子コメント)

    So you think that there is no reason for the fact that he has an EC flair, while you have none? Do you think he was drawn in a special kind of lottery?

    Think about it and think deep.

    [–]2JamesSkepp 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Read his recent stuff. He fails to grasp the basic of m-f dynamics.

    Can point you to this if you want.

    Edit:

    Your reply is not really an argument. There are thousands of men in with status, supporting feminism. Somehow nobody here uses their status as an argument that they are right. Bullshit is bullshit, source is irrelevant.

    [–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I am very well aware of his opinions and writings. I mostly disagree with him and yet still my point stands.

    There are thousands of men in with status, supporting feminism.

    Not in here.

    [–]ModeratorPaperStreetVilla[S] 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Dont was very clear.

    We will be on topic, full stop.

    [–]TomFoo 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I don't agree with everything NeoRS says but I still respect his words or I stfu. Respect the EC badge or gtfo.

    [–]fortunatebumpytravel -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (6子コメント)

    Good post but how infuriating was it to have the first post directly go against rule 0, which you went out of your way emphasize "is not fucking optional"? lol

    This is a good post and if it were up to me I think that lifting would be the absolute basic requirement for even posting here. You can't have a constructive conversation on RP content with someone who doesn't know the hard work, discipline and perseverance that go into sculpting a masculine body.

    Also being a mod entitles you to be grumpy about this shit as you are the one who has to sort through it all and moderate it.

    [–]ModeratorPaperStreetVilla[S] 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (5子コメント)

    Women test boundaries, as do children.

    Its expected

    [–]46burner 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Wait are you saying men don't test boundaries?

    [–]Darth_Antonius 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Men test boundaries too, but for different reasons than women and children. Children test boundaries because they don't respect your authority and want to see what they can get away with. Women test boundaries to probe your frame and determine if you are worth their attention and respect. Men, on the other hand, test your boundaries to assert dominance over you. Standing your ground will earn the other man's respect while failing to do so results in them asserting their dominance over you in the social hierarchy.

    [–]46burner 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    You're just putting slightly different labels on the same thing. Men test boundaries to see what they can get away with, as a sign of disrespect, to prompt a reaction. There's no difference between genders, it's entirely based on the situation

    [–]fortunatebumpytravel 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Touché

    [–]dancingkungfy -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    This is the one of the most valuable posts that I have seen this week. I understand that people have different political leanings and others have different philosophies about racial relations, however, no one gives a fuck. There are other subs to discuss these specific topics.

    Bottom line is are you improving yourself by being here. I will repeat that the core question to truly ask is, ARE YOU IMPROVING YOURSELF?

    [–]curiously_crazy -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    ".. If you currently do not lift, have not shown you have read the sidebar through your comments, or bothered to create a positive masculine identity and think you have a place among the men here, you are sorely mistaken. "

    With all due respect that's rubbish. It might have some validity for a proportion of people but to make global statements like that is why a lot of people think "they have to behave a certain way".

    Some of us - and I'm past my mid 30's by the way - already knew all the shit on the side bar. Yeah I've read it, but it was a waste of time for me.. practically everything (apart from the acronyms) was all "yep I know, yep I know, no shit" and on and on.

    You are aware of course nothing is new. Nothing on the side bar is new. Some of us just did all this shit without analysing it and all analysing it does for ones such as myself is force us to over think all the stuff we already did anyway. I mean that; some would actually be better off not reading the sidebar and would thus be contributing information without needing to 'learn' it. It's called a different perspective.