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Let's Stop Pretending The Obama Administration Was 'Scandal Free' (thefederalist.com)

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[–]tux68 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

The problem was that so many stupid controversies were raised, like the whole birth certificate thing that people just got burned out on "scandal". We should stop overreacting to every little thing and save true outrage for the times when it is clearly needed.

[–]supamonkey77 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

You do realize that the left has learned this lesson well and will follow the republican playbook to the letter for the next 4-8 years.

For every real bad thing that Obama/his administration was responsible for there were calls for 10 imaginary( or out of his control) things he was blamed about. From death panels to fetuses chopped up and sold for profit, there was so much crazy spillage.

Look at the current situation, Trump hasn't even taken office and there are already alarm bells of him opening the pits of Hell and ending all life on earth. This is a tried and tested over reaction playbook that the left will follow.

[–]jglee1236 [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

This is just mud throwing. Every single presidency has had scandals. All of them. Every one. Who is deluded enough to think otherwise? Trumps administration is assholes. Obama's administration is assholes. W's administration is assholes. Clinton's administration is assholes. Sr's administration is assholes. Reagan's administration is assholes.

"Your party's administration is a bunch of assholes!"

"No, your party's administration is a bunch of assholes!"

"No, your.."

For the love of fuck shut the fuck up, ALL ADMINISTRATIONS ARE FULL OF ASSHOLES AND SCANDAL. LETS TRY FIXING THAT. Quit fucking bickering.

[–]fuck_sal_hardPool Boy [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Every single presidency has had scandals.

That isn't the point. Obama's presidency has been whitewashed by major media such that it's being portrayed as scandal-free.

Plus, are we at the point that it's acceptable for people, especially elected officials, to act in scandalous ways? Is there some amount of scandal that we can or should all live with? Whatever happened to people acting decently and being called to task when they don't?

[–]Vecusum [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Not all administrations prosecute whistleblowers in this manner or illegally spy on the media and congress. Those would have been considered impeachment level scandals in the past. We're talking Plumbers level stuff here at a much larger scale.

[–]Colonize_The_Moon [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

LETS TRY FIXING THAT.

We did, we elected Trump to clean up Obama's messes. I'm sure he'll have scandals of his own but he'll have to work REALLY hard to equal the near-continual and always high-level scandal-fest that was the Obama administration. I'm also sure that the media won't constantly carry water for Trump and pretend that nothing he does is wrong; this was not the case during Obama's two terms, which is the subject of this thread.

[–]TrojanDynasty [スコア非表示]  (14子コメント)

In a day, we need to put this behind us, or we run the risk as sounding as ridiculous as the left who is still blaming W for things 8 years after he left office.

[–]CJShort [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Hate to be that guy, but both sides can be petty, especially when they lose.

It's not a "liberal" or "conservative" thing. It's a human nature thing, and it really gets in our way on a daily basis in this country.

[–]caribou13 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

And if this election proved anything, it's that humans are about as petty as can be.

[–]unfortunate_tourist [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Moderate liberal here (hands up don't shoot (joke)) trying to educate myself on the perspective of the right more (as people should do here for the Left). It really bothers me that the liberal media is the black pot calling the kettle black. I think this post is valid as many liberals truly see the Obama administration being scandal free and are over blowing Trump. I believe it is a last ditch effort to try to get him removed as president elect (a pathetic attempt)

I keep reminding my friends that are liberals that we cannot carry ourselves the way the extreme right did with Obama. Don't call trumps wife a Russian prostitute because we hated the Michelle gorilla stabs. Don't accuse wealthy whites as racists because we hated the "he only won because he was black". Don't blow these accusations out of proportion without legitimate sources, because Obama wasn't a clean president either.

[–]beer_n_gunsconstitutional conservative [スコア非表示]  (9子コメント)

This isn't blaming Obama, it's correcting the lie that Obama's presidency was scandal free.

He who controls history controls the future.

[–]wje100 [スコア非表示]  (8子コメント)

I think you misunderstand the term scandal. A policy decision you do not like isn't a scandal, being on vacation during an oil spill is not a scandal. Water gate was a scandal, Iran contra was a scandal. This entire article is being ridiculously obtuse for the sake of shitting on obama.

[–]CarbunkleFlux [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

So is the answer to pretend that everything Obama has done never happened?

You can totally acknowledge that he did a lot of shitty stuff without hanging him over it. Especially when he wants to lie and say that nothing he did was shitty.

[–]Kcarp6380 [スコア非表示]  (18子コメント)

What do u mean? Fast and Furious, Benghazi, IRS, his SOS having a private email server, those are actual scandals? But but no one went to jail so it must not be real.

[–]8512332158 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I thought Fast and Furious started under the Bush Administration?

[–]Greatmambojambo [スコア非表示]  (15子コメント)

I love how Obama has gone after top reporters long before Trump. His Department of Justice labeled chief Fox News Washington correspondent James Rosen a “criminal co-conspirator” in a leak case, and for many years threatened to prosecute Pulitzer-prize winning New York Times journalist James Risen. The Obama administration even used tax dollars to spy on Risen, Rosen, the Associated Press, CBS reporter Cheryl Attkisson and other media. Not a single peep from the media.

Trump points out that a document CNN presents as proof is wrong? Biggest scandal in the history of anything ever!

[–]constructivCritic [スコア非表示]  (8子コメント)

Preety much all of your links have to do with 2 instances. Both having to do with National Security, having nothing to do with Obama himself.

No matter who was the President, a Democrat or a Repiblican, those 2 reporters likely would have gotten the same treatment, because the government is expected to protect its secrets.

This is not the same as Trump claiming fake news on everything he doesn't like. And actually, the fact that those reporter had all this trouble should disprove his assertion that main stream news is fake. If it was then why do reporters regularly get into trouble with the government? Why go through all this only to make up stories.

Your 3rd source is the New York Post and a lady promoting her book and claiming her story was killed by her org because it made obama look bad. She might think that's the reason, and maybe it was, but as you and I both know, there were plenty of scandalous stories that made Obama administration look bad...those all somehow got through.

[–]Greatmambojambo [スコア非表示]  (7子コメント)

Preety much all of your links

I've linked four.

with 2 instances

Yes. 3 of them.

Wouldn't have sounded as spectacular if you would have worded it that way, hm?

because the government is expected to protect its secrets.

Yes it is. And it's also expected to follow the constitution. Apparently it failed to do either one.

This is not the same as Trump claiming fake news on everything he doesn't like

You're absolutely right. Huge difference between actively prosecuting journalists and pointing out their Buzzfeed documents are fake.

And actually, the fact that those reporter had all this trouble should disprove his assertion that main stream news is fake.

By the same logic: I had a sandwich this morning. Famines must be a hoax.

Why go through all this only to make up stories.

Ratings?

[–]constructivCritic [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

Great, so we're agreed. You didn't defend any of the crap in your comment, and you seem to agree to the core of mine. Just keep in mind that prosecutions and jailing of reporters happens preety often, http://www.rcfp.org/jailed-journalists, it's the reasons behind them that we should be aware of. Neither of yours seemed to me to be vindictive actions taken by Obama to silence his critics, but I could be wrong.

[–]Greatmambojambo [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

You didn't defend any of the crap in your comment

Spoken like a true poet

and you seem to agree to the core of mine.

Projection much?

[–]XxCanu_Dig_ItxX [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

Great contribution, adds so much to the discussion.

[–]Greatmambojambo [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

I feel humbled that you care so much about me, you went through all of my comments.

[–]constructivCritic [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Nah, seemed like you were about to go off on some tangents. Partly because of some extraneous things I had said...so partly my fault. So tried to keep my comment focused on the core of what I was saying. Which was that the 2 cases you pointed don't seem to be about Obama going after journalists for making him look bad. They seem to be about National Security.

[–]say_or_do [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

God damn! The sources!

[–]Greatmambojambo [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

What about them?

  1. Wikipedia

  2. NYT

  3. Someone who intervied Tim Drake (NSA whistleblower)

  4. An article about Sharyl Attkisson's biography

[–]shinypretty [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

*Sharyl Attkisson

*peep

[–]Greatmambojambo [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Great contribution, adds so much to the discussion...

[–]schlondark [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Don't forget snowden which is probably the largest

[–]buzzercap [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Other than some news sites, I don't see many people calling his terms scandal free. I didn't vote in either election, but I supported him. I try to be objective and view everything from a moderate point of view and I'll agree there were some scandals, but what president has been perfect? It just bugs me more when you have people calling Obama the worst president we have ever had. It seems like those people's memories go back only 2 or 3 presidents.

On a side note, I didn't support Trump for the election, but now that he is going to be the president, I want him to do good because I'm an American. I just don't think he will.

[–]party_squad [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I'm a conservative and voted Trump. I lost my best friend as a result. Daddy's fucking home.

That said--Obama really wasn't plagued by scandals. Yes, there were some videos of him in college saying silly shit, but he didn't get impeached for lying to the supreme court about banging an intern. He didn't get caught on video blowing lines of coke or buying crack. He didn't order a break in to Romney's campaign headquarters and get busted for it. There is no real scandal in the true sense of the word.

Was their gross mismanagement and failed policies? Absolutely. But it's just not the same. So I suggest we back off of the scandal shit.

[–]Habipti [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Declaring the Obama administration scandal free is like Michael Scott declaring bankruptcy.

[–]HeWhoMustNotBDpicted [スコア非表示]  (15子コメント)

Obama's biggest success was putting the main media almost completely under the thumb of US intelligence and Democrats, creating the most effective propaganda machine since WW2 Germany (excepting North Korea). It's easy to be "scandal-free" when you have that working for you.

[–]puddboy [スコア非表示]  (21子コメント)

I think what we're witnessing is a carefully crafted propaganda campaign designed to embed this idea of a scandal free Presidency in the minds of Americans. I've heard a bunch of Obama's cronies repeat this line so they're clearly coordinating. It's all about laying out the framework for his legacy.

[–]Captain_Jack_Daniels [スコア非表示]  (19子コメント)

I don't know. I'm an independent, and followed quite a bit of news sources avoiding only Fox, and it seemed only people who watched Fox were up in arms all the time. There must be other news outlets that are conservative that weren't so over sensational, but I never heard anything. Plus it was easy to dispel whatever Fox story I was catching wind of with even a modicum of research.

[–]Banecn [スコア非表示]  (16子コメント)

Ummm..... Ever hear of Fast and Furious? And no not the movie. Then there is Benghazi, irs targeting conservative groups, NSA spy program expansion, doubling the national debt.... Etc... Etc.

[–]Captain_Jack_Daniels [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

I see. I'll look those up, thanks.

Edit: updates after research.

Benghazi - Clinton, not Obama.

IRS - FBI found no evidence of enemy hunting. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRS_targeting_controversy

[–]Banecn [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

Still his administration. He chose her for Secretary of State.

[–]Bobby6kennedy [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Still his administration. He chose her for Secretary of State.

Let's see where we are in 4 years with this reasoning.

RemindMe! 1462 days "Still his administration"

[–]Banecn [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I pretty much considered all politicians to be corrupt pieces of crap not just Obama so you won't find any hard feelings from me in 4 years taking Trumps cabinet picks to task as well.

[–]romeo123456 [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

See above.

[–]Banecn [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

Yes I see that. Look at the time stamp. I made my post before that one. It was deservedly voted higher because it is a higher quality post with source.

[–]romeo123456 [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Fair enough. What do you think about it? Did it change your opinion? Was it true?

[–]Banecn [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Unfortunately I couldn't tell you because I hadn't read it yet and it's gone now.

[–]constructivCritic [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

Stop talking about the debt, it's not cool anymore. Nobody has talked about the debt since the Clinton days.

But the rest of your things, I heard of those without listening to Fox or CNN. But tbh, none of those were all that huge, government screws things up all the time. Also, some were...I won't say made up, but basically made into a bigger deal than necessary due to partisanship, e.g. Bengazhi.

[–]Sour_Badger [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Yet Fox News didn't blow out of proportion the bombing of a Doctors Without Borders mobile hospital and he gets a pass on that one. Fox didn't oversell our current military engagement in 8 different countries across the globe, again a pass. Fox didn't hyperbolize Obamas massive expansion of extrajudicial drone strikes on American citizens, and hardly a peep. FOx didn't overplay an exponential increase in Saudi arms sales to facilitate a proxy war with Iran in Yemen and 99.9% of the population know nothing about it. No to mention intelligence agencies spying on the American press.

[–]Milkman127 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

WTF is with this Doctors without borders thing? unless obama ordered it its called friendly fire and happen all the damn time. you sound ridiculous if you bring this up. Lets blame him for things he cant control and call it a personal scandal. Ya lost all credibility

[–]Colonize_The_Moon [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Stop talking about the debt, it's not cool anymore. Nobody has talked about the debt since the Clinton days.

What the heck? The debt is a massive deal; Obama railed against Bush for doubling it and then doubled BUSH'S debt. We're at almost $20T right now; that's a pretty pertinent item to bring up.

[–]supamonkey77 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Right from the comments section

[–]Banecn [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Yup, I posted this first and someone came along and made a better one.

[–]the_real_klaas [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Nah, more a question of "compared to what's to come, everything that was before seems clean and proper"

[–]psify [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Government=Scandal. Not people specific. Or party specific.

[–]thenoblitt [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

When people tend to say Obama has been scandal free. They are generally referring to family and personal scandals not his administration or government scandals.

[–]restlessruby [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Wow the twice gilded, well-reasoned post was removed? That's pretty scary!

Edit: Holy moly. I sub here because it's nice to have discussion about conservative issues. Watching a post get removed in real-time simply because it offered a differing view is so disappointing.

[–]oneweirdglobe [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

"So far there are 730 of them, but for the sake of space and time, I’m going to highlight five of the worst."

Trump's like 'I can beat that before I get into office'.

[–]aptpupil79 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

They claim there are 700+ scandals and only list 5... Disappointing to say the least.

[–]Bayerrc [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

We have a president who was historically scandal-free, and instead of celebrating the positivity of his efforts the conservative side of this country insists on trying to dirty his name with pointless mudslinging. This post is exactly what is wrong with the bipartisan mentality of our fellow citizens, our brothers. Liberal & Conservative should not be dirty words, although I think we can all admit that liberals do not insult conservatives in the same manner in which conservatives do liberals. To anyone who reads this headline and grins at the notion, I'd urge you to please try to find compassion with your fellow Americans rather than blindly demonizing half of your brothers and sisters. Also, it needs to be said that Obama did have a scandal-free presidency. This is a list of decisions that the author didn't like, not scandals.

[–]ReallyBigDeal[🍰] [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Why was the top comment removed?

https://www.ceddit.com/r/Conservative/comments/5opg0c/_/dcl7iga

[–]SchpittleSchpattle [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

TIL that "scandal" now works for unfortunate incidents where hindsight is 20/20 and policies you don't agree with.

Not one of these things speaks about Obama's personal character, which is what "scandal" should actually mean. The site itself says he never had any personal misgivings go public. I'm not sure what exactly this is trying to accomplish.

[–]Milkman127 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

can we stop pretending he ruined the country and will take away all our guns?

if the leadership on the right would act like adults make worth while claims I'd be more likely to listen.

All we get is childish obstructionism, birther, Muslim,he's invading Texas, and he started isis nonsense.

[–]carbonnanopubes [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

Lets stop pretending that you dont like him because of what he did.

[–]DualShocks [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

Explain.

[–]not-Kid_Putin [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

He just played the race card.

Go to jail, do not pass go, pay up

[–]DualShocks [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

That's what I'm thinking...but I was giving him a chance thinking maybe I was wrong.

The article literally lists out big events that have been scandals of Obama's. I don't know how someone can pass it all off as "Nah, you're just racist."

[–]not-Kid_Putin [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Nah, you see he has a mind reading machine so he knows your intentions. It's actually the lefts best invention. They can see past "President Obama wasn't great because of policy x,y, and z and here's their effects" and hear "He's black and I don't like black people" in the mind reader... it's truly incredible.

[–]IUsedToBeGoodAtThis [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It's ok. Liberals freaked out about Trump's comments about concession, but have no issue at all with "boycotting" the peaceful transition of power.

[–]ToDuM_PoLe [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Why is there no mention of him murdering a United States citizen without due process? That should of been the biggest scandal of them all.

[–]tux68 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Because people seem to accept this. We're too busy on identity politics to put our attention where it really matters.

[–]dick_long_wigwam [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Let's dispel with the notion that Obama doesn't know what he's doing. He knows exactly what he's doing.

[–]ParticleCannon [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

They know the American attention span is about 18 hours, so they needed a quick "before he's forgotten please remember this thing we just made up"