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Couldnt this have been raised before the Electoral College vote?
I really really dont want Trump to be elected but ya'll had the time for action, so unless ya want him impeached and replaced by Pence i dont see the point.
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The process that elected him is legitimate. It's the one specified in the Constitution of the United States of America. Yes, it's a bullshit process that conveniently ignores the will of the people and allows shitheads like Trump the oval office, but it's legit.
For better or worse we have a Trump Dump steaming up Capitol Hill. We need to stop crying foul about the election and start poking all the dem, indy, and moderate GOP congressmen to do everything in their power to stall Trump's dumbassery. They can do so, they just need to be spurred into action.
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You let informed politicians instead of the people vote for the president of the united states and that is bad.
You let the people instead of informed politicians vote for Britain leaving the EU and that is bad.
How do you want your democracy? When your option loses, you want to repeat the election process till your option wins?
Instead of whining about the results, what is important is to make the best out of it.
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The illegitimacy that Sharpton is taking about is three-fold.
First, Russia swayed public opinion in ways that cannot be measured due to their unprecedented nature and sheer size of influence.
Second, Trump was elected by a net 3,000,000 minority of voters.
Third, the "bullshit process that ignores the will of the people" for exactly that. The Electoral College failed in its mission to preserve the core tenets of democracy in electing an unqualified, irresponsible, lying, self-serving, shifty, conniving, racist, misogynistic, homophobic, and transphobic corporatist pawn and Reagan-era capitalist.
He is illegitimate for these reasons. Rev. Al Sharpton is a controversial person, but I agree with him.
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Leaving the EU should happen, that was a fair process.
The way the US elections work IS bullshit, and that should be changed. But if a democracy makes a dumb decision aside from safeguards in place of course they should go through it.
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the "informed" politicians of the electoral college vote along party lines. very few of them break ranks and it's illegal for them to do so in many states. de facto they are a rubberstamp institution that serves the sole purpose of giving some kind of legitimacy to the process of weighting some votes more than others
britain leaving the european union is something that's been handled badly by literally everyone. the voters don't know what they're voting for (even many of the remainers) and the politicians don't know what they want either. nobody wants to deal with it and yet instead of admitting the fault we are forced to go through with a costly and painful procedure of no benefit to anyone. politicians are in the end deciding how we are leaving the EU, what they want out of it, and how it'll end up
in the end, its the people (a slightly smaller number than the majority of the electorate) who actually voted for trump, and informed politicians who are actually going to decide what "brexit" actually means in the end. politicians had no say in the former and the people have really no say in the latter
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I think the day after the vote leave campaigners revealed that their claims were completely fabricated too. Is a democratic vote that operated on lies legitimate?
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Not even a whole day had passed and Farage was already trying to remove his name from the "£350m /w for the NHS" bus claim.
Despite there being pictures of him campaigning with it.
Despite him supporting the guys who campaigned with it.
Despite him never calling that number in the question before.
Mere hours had passed and he was already trying to shift blame and distort reality.
Populists all happen to be awful people, who'd have thought?
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We should also mention the fact that black votes were suppressed in many of the states Trump won.
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haha WOW got a source for those?
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Oh hey, Al Sharpton being Al Sharpton. Everything is illegitimate if it isn't what Al Sharpton wants.
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yeah republicans pushed voter fraud really hard despite it not really having a tangible effect in recent memory. Conveniently, they would close down voting centers in black majority districts.
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- Mexicans are rapists and murderers, and some, I assume, are good people
- The radio tapes? Grap her by the pussy, you can do anything? They will let you do it?
- https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/...T0J/story.html
- He might have no opinion on trans people but there is a point being made
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He's a little bit... fluid when he comes to that
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Even if he doens't care about trans people his party seems to care a lot about trans people, specifically where they poop.
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First two have good reasoning. Trump has railed against Mexico, and has treated women badly.
The third one is literally a opinion piece, where in ACTUAL NEWS, Trump has stated that he "respects" same sex marriage. (http://www.politico.com/story/2016/1...arriage-231310)
The fourth one is literally fearmongering though
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-Saying there are criminals crossing the border =/= every last illegal immigrant = rapist
-He was making a connection to how celebrities can literally do whatever they want(which isn't untrue)
-opinion piece, okay, electing people to positions who have certain views doesn't mean you share those views + he even said himself he's not going to try and overturn what the supreme court decided.
-uh huh
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Trump agrees that this election wasn't legitimate though
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Beat me to it. I think my mother put it best when describing modern Al
"When he realizes he's irrelevant, he starts stirring up shit to get back into the spotlight."
For fuck's sake, both Obama and Clinton conceded that the election was legitimate. One Reverend isn't suddenly going to spew the truth.
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And then Media Trying to confuse people that Russia Hacked the vote counts, NOPE. Russia had interference in the election. Did not hack votes.
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Trump won legitimately under circumstances that are morally illegitimate. His ascent to power was against the spirit of what a democracy should be in all senses.
Also Sharpton is an attention-grabbing wank.
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Are California and New York "The will of the people?" Should smaller states get their voices drowned out even further?
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why do states get a say in the election of the president? i thought the peoples vote was what mattered
do the votes of millions not matter?
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Good point but majority opinion here isn't really how the majority think.
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should Republicans in California and New York get their voices drowned out even further? the system represents no one.
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apparently not in a UK referendum.
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indeed, it's why we're leaving the common market even though nobody wanted to
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Yeah, because the official electoral system that's been in place for over 50 years is "illegitimate" because somebody you didn't want to win, won.
Oh those Liberals, always trying to spite our beloved God Emperor.
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The Mexican deal is legitimate, but the tapes are 10 years old, hes stated that trans people should use whichever bathroom they see fit, and Trump respects SS marriage.
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We can have a system that either represents 1 party or have a system that represents most people. Its shitty either way, but this way os better
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Because if you let people vote as a whole, then large cities will be the deciding factors in elections. The whole state of ND, and others like it, would get no representation because of cities like NYC.
The electoral college sucks but its a better system than the popular vote.
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or have it be proportionate instead of winner-takes-all
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Then you just have the popular vote.
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NYC is 2.6% of the population of the USA
how does that exactly drown out the voices of the rest of the country?
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What makes population density special when it comes to your vote? There are a million other factors how someone might belong in a minority so why are you singling out whether or not someone lives in a city to decide how much their vote should matter. Racial and sexual minorities encounter different kinds of problems in their day to day life than those who belong in the majority. Poor people have radically different lives and problems than rich people. Yet suddenly at city dwellers vs rural dwellers you draw the line and say that the minority should be louder (per person). Not to mention that it's not even a question of city dwellers vs rural people, it's populous states vs less populous states so if you happen to live in a small town in California, fuck you, you don't matter at all.
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NYC was an example, theres more than 1 large city in the US.
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it's the biggest city in the USA
if you combined every city in the USA that had a population of 1+ million (what i classify as a large city in this instance) you would have a total of 24 million
24 million is about 7.5% of the US population
again, how would large cities be the deciding factor?
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I never said that the minority should have a more effective vote.
People who live in large cities and urban areas tend to vote more liberally, where as people in rural areas tend to vote more conservatively.
The majority of the US population lives in urban areas, its not fair for the city populations to have complete control of the political spectrum. A person in the country doesnt have the same needs and wants as someone in a city, and vice versa.
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the entire point of democracy is that if people want to vote in a racist fascist, then they can do so
if you don't like it then you are not vouching for democracy
(before you respond with how the minority vote won, your system of democracy relies on the electoral college, and they did everything by the books)
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If people who live in urban areas tend to vote more liberally, and the majority of the US population lives in urban areas, doesn't that mean that the majority of the US population tends to vote more liberally?
