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January 2014Two CIA agents arrested by MinuteMen while crossing the Mexican border with 1300 pounds of cocaine (self.conspiracy)

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Edit: Disclaimer: with the amount of attention this thread is receiving, I figured it would be beneficial to point out what many redditors have said.

The source of this story as well as other attempts at finding more information on it indicate it originates from satire websites.

While it's important to be critical of any information, I believe we need more verification of this story and it's claims.

Although I'm not going to let this go to waste, as there is a long history of CIA involvement in drug running and other black market scandals. While we are here, I think it's important to collaborate, post, and share other information and dots that can be used to see a bigger picture of what the CIA has dipped it's hands into and done. I've edited my post below with additional links provided, please feel free to contribute.

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Source link:

http://worldtruth.tv/two-cia-agents-arrested-by-minutemen-while-crossing-mexican-border-with-1300-pounds-of-cocaine/

El Paso| A group of minutemen watching the Mexican Border for illegal migrants and drug traffickers, have proceeded to the citizen arrest of two men in an SUV, carrying 1300 pounds of cocaine. The volunteers were completely astonished when the two arrestees pulled out CIA ID cards and explained they were actually carrying the drug as part of their duties and that the cargo belonged to the Central Intelligence Agency.

The search of the vehicle revealed 36 packages of cocaine, all marked with the symbol of the Sinaloa Cartel, representing a black scorpion.

Keep in mind the Sinaloa cartel is the most powerful cartel in Mexico. Also, keep this in mind too:

An investigation by El Universal found that between the years 2000 and 2012, the U.S. government had an arrangement with Mexico's Sinaloa drug cartel that allowed the organization to smuggle billions of dollars of drugs while Sinaloa provided information on rival cartels.

Source link:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.businessinsider.com/the-us-government-and-the-sinaloa-cartel-2014-1?client=safari

Edit: some interesting points to add

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[–]moparornocar 158 ポイント159 ポイント  (83子コメント)

this sounds pretty fake honestly.

why the fuck would the CIA dudes even have CIA id's while bringing coke over the border, and then go on to tell the minutemen what they were doing and their plans?

not saying I dont think CIA is in on some shady drug running potentially, but this story just sounds absurd and fabricated to me.

[–]-imagininnn- 34 ポイント35 ポイント  (17子コメント)

According to the source article the vehicle was registered to the CIA and they had a receipt for the coke from the cartel.

“What drug dealer in his right mind, demands a receipt for 1300 pounds of cocaine? There is really something strange about these guys, and we believe the CIA possibly knows more than what it is ready to admit.”

[–]moparornocar 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (8子コメント)

id be interested to see said receipt.

[–]kybarnet 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (5子コメント)

There's also a surprising lack of conformable details, along with a 'rushed' narrative.

THIS JUST HAPPENED! last night! But, no date at all, etc.

For those concerned over fake vs real news, most long term Conspiracy Theories rely about at least a few pieces of substantial evidence, along with circumstantial. Fake news pieces will be entirely circumstantial, but with high quality presentation.

Real conspiracy theories generally rely upon a variety of people reaching the same conclusion, and generally systematically eliminate all 'reasonable' alternatives. Fake news pieces present a 'what if' scenario, and then create a movie, book, and fan club to support such a bizarre situation - Fake news also tends to have 'bizarre' confirmation, such as the picture of this guys 'CIA badge' but with it blurred out? Seems legit, but why the blur? Who in the CIA allows you to take a pic of their person, at all?

Likewise, occassionally, fake news will suggest 'immediate' action or judgement. Real conspiracy theorist generally just want a trial. An open investigation in which the evidence is reasonable presented, and their explanations documented on record.

Anyways, for new comers, that's the general way you can distinguish enraging propaganda vs reasoned justice.

[–]WallyWinthrop 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Real conspiracy theories generally rely upon a variety of people reaching the same conclusion, and generally systematically eliminate all 'reasonable' alternatives.

Would you mind listing a couple, please? You seem to be a lot more grounded than the average "conspiracy theorist" so I'm really curious which conspiracies you consider to be legitimate.

[–]kybarnet [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I think the sidebar has a list (or it use to?) of 'confirmed' conspiracies. But if you just want some basic one's that I don't think any sensible person could deny, when presented a complete set of data:

  • US Media primarily serves to provoke, rather than inform (Propaganda)

  • 9/11 Required a significant amount of internal assistance, far beyond the operational control of a cave dweller (whom CNN did a live interview with just months before... but the CIA could never find!) - Gov. Sanctioned Terrorism

  • That the FBI played a pivotal role in murdering, or allowing the murder of a huge number of civil rights activists.

  • That the government makes no attempt to be representative of the desires of the people, that goes far beyond mere incompetence (tyrannical)

  • The murder of Robert Kennedy is completely suspect - http://www.jfk-info.com/teeter2.htm

  • There is practically no way Lee Oswald was the only shooter against Kennedy. That would require a level of marksmanship that would place him in like the top 0.1% worldwide, and I'm not sure if anyone has been able to physically reproduce his claimed abilities.

  • The 3rd Kennedy, who lost to Hillary for Senator of New York by death, seems oddly 'coincidental'.

  • The choosing of Truman over Wallace as the successor to FDR, is completely mind boggling. Truman essentially had no political history, and was never elected to office. Instead FDR won and died almost immediately, and then Truman dropped some A-bombs forthwith, and essentially declared war against Russia immediately after. It was an odd set of coincidences and behaviors.

  • Prescott Bush (father to George) was the head financier for the Nazi Party, while living in Texas. Essentially he money laundered for Hitler, and then won 2 Presidencies. Interesting...

Watch Oliver's Stones Untold History of the United States if you want to a basic rundown of the last 100 years without filling it up with racism.

[–]bananawhom 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes absolutely, but that "fake news" term is gross.

[–]papersheepdog 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

also the story of responsible volunteers defending the national border plays to certain values and we just want it to be true

[–]soullessgeth [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

fake news? like the entire mainstream media....

[–]Iamnot_awhore [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Think they have an automatic 18% gratuity charge?

[–]moparornocar [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

if they do it better be listed on the damn receipt so we know before hand.

[–]ravonaf 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (4子コメント)

What drug dealer in his right mind, demands a receipt for 1300 pounds of cocaine?

If you want to do business with the US government you better provide a goddamn receipt. As crooked as the CIA is they are still a government agency. You have to track every penny....lol

[–]11teensteve [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

yeah right. the state dept. lost billions of dollars that went unaccounted for just before 9/11. only the lowest level of government agencies are held to the fire. its all about control.

[–]WestCoastHippy [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

If real, it's likely a bill of lading.

[–]DoYouBooBooDoYou [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

The receipt is only to make sure the agents deliver a certain amount

[–]teenwithnomoney [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Didn't 1.5 billion go missing from the Pentagon?! Didn't the CIA operate a black budget? Yeah I doubt there was a receipt. Let's not forget the CIA bought 10Kg of LSD! Do you think congress signed off on that one?

[–]Scroon 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

The receipt is so that HQ knows exactly how much cocaine is supposed to be delivered. It was probably more of an invoice than anything else.

[–]WallyWinthrop 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Chief, ::sniffle::I swear to god! Johnson spilled his soda on the bundles. One of them got really soggy so we had to throw it away. This nosebleed is completely unrelated.::sniffle:: ::sniffle::

[–]rmxz [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

[from the article] 2014

Time Magazine claims Sinaloa had a DEA partnership at that time.

... drug dealer in his right mind, demands a receipt for 1300 pounds of cocaine ...

One that's attempting to frame whomever that receipt is made out to.

[–]Loud_Volume[S] 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (49子コメント)

I respect people that look at both sides of the story but this one has truth written all over it.

Besides, if banks have been found laundering money for drug cartels

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/feb/15/hsbc-has-form-mexico-laundered-drug-money?client=safari

What's stopping the CIA funding their black ops budgets with black market sales of drugs? Only makes sense

Not to mention the head of the CIA had to come out publicly and dismiss that these people were "related to the CIA" which goes to show that it did in fact happen.

[–]moparornocar 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (39子コメント)

yeah, like I previously said. im not denying that the CIA may be in on some shady drug running deals. I said this specific story sounds fake to me from the details given.

It makes zero sense they would just cave and give away their plans to these people and show them their ID's. Youd think CIA would have some sort of fake id's made for the people actually doing the drug running and such. Also that they woudnt just blurt out their plans the second they are caught.

Thats my thought on it though.

[–]Awesomo3082 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Once you get the CIA to start monologuing, they'll tell you everything. I've seen a lot of movies, so I can confirm that almost all bad guys do this.

[–]emperorisnaked7 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (4子コメント)

I also don't believe they would give up the goat that quick. Why not call their superiors and have them deal with it? Then this story wouldn't get off the ground.

[–]PKMpirate -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

They were detained and held by an armed border militia who raised bp on coms and they promptly responded to the scene. Do a little research and you can find out the identities of the men involved in the patrol. Their personal contact info is out there. If you dont believe me look for yourself. Why dont you ask one of them if you are so skeptical.

[–]Scroon 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I suspect there are some CIA misinformation agents in this thread. People claiming neutrality but immediately pushing the stance of disbelief.

[–]Lo0seR [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Case in point, usally most up voted comment.

[–]FlyntFlossy912 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Exactly. While the article is a little vague I see way to many people here jumping to the conclusion that's it's fake based off their own assumptions of what they think happened.

Since when are conspirists that quick to conclusion?

[–]captaincarb 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Exactly this. I have to believe the CIA has the ability to completely fabricate a new identity. Why not just give them fake ID's with fake names and fake US citizenship

[–]moparornocar 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

exactly, and if they do get caught, conveniently get them out of prison.

[–]Scroon 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

They probably had fake IDs as well. But when in the custody of a self-regulated armed militia, which ID would you pull out? Hector Hernandez, import-export business man, or Jim Smith, CIA?

[–]SugarsuiT 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

honestly, I think you are right, who even knows if the ID's are real, I agree they run drugs, but to get caught, and self identify... it's like these false flag guys leaving their ID's laying out to be found... too convenient

[–]WallyWinthrop 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

honestly, I think you are right, who even knows if the ID's are real

I wonder if it's illegal to impersonate a CIA agent...

[–]Ashleysdad123 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well they might be on a rushed timeline if they were transporting cartel assets. How would it look if they are arrested and then released? Even worse, they could miss some delivery deadline that endangers someone else.

[–]Loud_Volume[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (23子コメント)

What fake id's could be used to legitimize your drug running operation?

The fact alone that the CIA head had to publicly deny this or the ownership of that cocaine throws weight to the fact that they could be CIA agents.

I see it as they didn't blurt out their plan they merely presented CIA ID's in an attempt to get the Minutemen to let them go

[–]moparornocar 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (18子コメント)

I mean, I sure as hell wouldnt be using a CIA ID. Literally any fake ID made up, the CIA certainly has the capability to do so.

If they truly were running drugs across the border, I would fully assume they would have fake passports/state id's without their actual names made so if they were caught. They get arrested, and conveniently "transferred" out of jail/prison.

Just seems dumb to flash CIA shit when you get caught, especially when armed men stop you on a border and you have 1300 lbs of cocaine on you.

[–]Loud_Volume[S] 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (15子コメント)

Okay so what are the alternative theories here. Again, I respect skeptics but what possible alternative theories could there be?

Let's say these were 2 random drug runners with a fake CIA ID.

Why the fuck would they risk even more threat, charges, and the like by using a fake CIA ID let alone while carrying 1300 pounds of cocaine.

Let me tell you something.

1300 pounds of cocaine.

Let's lowball an estimate and say that one pound of cocaine sells for at lowest, $8,000.

1300 pounds at $8,000 is $10,400,000.00

Are you telling me that two drug runners used fake ID's while carrying TEN MILLION DOLLARS WORTH OF COCAINE?

[–]moparornocar 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (11子コメント)

Honestly I dont think CIA even runs drugs on the ground, especially when they have the option to fly pretty easily under the radar, or around the scope of your normal flight patterns and such.

That right there seems pretty risky when they have other options.

[–]Loud_Volume[S] 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (8子コメント)

Are you going to dismiss the fact that they had over 10 million dollars worth of cocaine?

And that the US government was caught working with the Sinaloa cartel

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.businessinsider.com/the-us-government-and-the-sinaloa-cartel-2014-1?client=safari

And that the cocaine was from the Sinaloa cartel?

You can't get that many coincidences on something like this. Cmon man.

[–]moparornocar 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (7子コメント)

no not at all, but there is good evidence already that the CIA uses its planes for drug running. Which is why i think it is dumb they would use ground vehicles instead of said planes.

you seem to keep thinking I dont see any connection with CIA and drug running. Thats not what im saying or have been saying.

[–]libbylibertarian 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Seems logical to use more than one method of delivery, in order to protect yourself from various threats. If you do things the same way all the time you become...predictable. This can become a dangerous thing when you operate in a black market chock full of violence.

[–]Loud_Volume[S] 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I see what you're saying but as I previously said all we can do as outsiders is conjecture because we truly don't know what their drug running operation entails as we are merely on the outside trying to look in.

[–]FlyntFlossy912 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Why do you assume they can only use planes?

Also I think you're giving too much credit to the guys who have worked to disenfranchise America for so long.

[–]cjluthy 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Also consider they have the use of stealth drones at their disposal.

[–]FlyntFlossy912 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

So does the military, but do they exclusively use them? Of course not.

It's not much of a stretch to say the CIA would do something like this, especially with all the circumstantial evidence OP has provided.

[–]arbitrarysquid 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Are you telling me that two drug runners used fake ID's while carrying TEN MILLION DOLLARS WORTH OF COCAINE?

If you were carrying ten million dollars worth of cocaine, would you not be carrying a fake ID?

[–]FlyntFlossy912 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Why would you carry CIA IDs of the many to choose from?

You are asking for trouble doing that. Occam's razor.

[–]Karmelion [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Maybe you get pulled over by some American minute men and give them your ID thinking that the minute men will just let you go without checking your cargo once they see that you're CIA. Why is that so hard to believe? The first thing I would do to get these guys to let me go is tell them in law enforcement or CIA or FBI

[–]TheRadBomber [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Just how haphazardly they were trying to smuggle is what's sending up red flags about the authenticity of this story for me. They couldn't disguise their vehicle to look like a Border Patrol Vehicle? It wouldn't be hard to fool some dopey Militia guys with just a little effort. The CIA Also has a very larger fleet of Aircraft why are they trying this in a vehicle registered to the CIA? Just leads me to believe these guys were Rogue or not CIA.

[–]moparornocar [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

thats really the only thing I could see making some truth in this. it being a few rogue CIA agents, not working for CIA but just running drugs themselves. and if that was the case, why would they have a receipt, not sure many drug dealers would want to give out receipts unless the CIA was forcing you to do so.

[–]freedmason 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

They may have thought the Minutemen were allies in some way. Or that they would trust a government official (majority of these groups are ex-military).

[–]Loud_Volume[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Very good point, and perspective, thank you man.

[–]uppitydownity [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

The fact alone that the CIA head had to publicly deny this

Where is this?

[–]Loud_Volume[S] [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

In the article

“The CIA doesn’t take part in drug smuggling operations at the US-Mexican border”said M. Boyd. “I do not know, for now, if the men are actually affiliated to the agency in any way, but I can tell you the cocaine doesn’t belong to the CIA.”

I will attempt to find a press release or something related besides links to other websites reporting this story. Thanks for replying and thanks for the skepticism

[–]arbitrarysquid 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

On the other hand, it would also be in the realm of possibility that some cartel coke smugglers had some fake CIA credentials that they presented with a story about how they were CIA so hands off.

[–]11teensteve [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

this feels like a more probable scenario. no CIA agent is not going to carry anything that links them to the govt. you get busted you keep your mouth shut and contact the supervisor asap. it gets handled from there.

[–]Scroon -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The group of burly, bearded men armed with AR-15's thinking they were Mexican drug runners is what made them cave.

[–]nisaaru 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

The point wasn't that the CIA isn't involved in drug smuggling but this specific case. The CIA can use their own diplomatic flights and nobody would stop them or maintain some smuggling route without such issues.

If this story here is true I would assume these CIA agents just used their status for a side business.

[–]Loud_Volume[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

All I'm going to say is that because we are outsiders, we can't really conjecture for sure how the CIA would run their hidden black ops fund drug running.

This story points clues towards a bigger picture and that alone says enough.

[–]0rangePod 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (3子コメント)

HSBC? Sure, there's credible evidence. The CIA does tons of shady shit, I have no doubt.

Website that has a current 'top article' about a 'Bigfoot Family'?

This is the kind of website that exists to make conspiracy theory seem less likely.

[–]Loud_Volume[S] 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I respect trying to verify the authenticity of the website, as I had the same doubts.

But when you add these coincidences up one after another something doesn't sound right.

  • two "CIA" agents caught with 1300 pounds. 1300 pounds at the lowest of low ball estimates is 10 million dollars. That's serious power, and money.

  • the CIA head had to publicly deny their relation to the CIA. Thus proving that this took place.

  • the cocaine packages had a scorpion that can be traced to Sinaloa cartels

  • the Sinaloa cartel is the biggest Mexico cartel and was caught working with the US government https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.businessinsider.com/the-us-government-and-the-sinaloa-cartel-2014-1?client=safari

  • HSBC got caught laundering drug money for cartels.

Do you not see the links and dots connecting all this?

[–]0rangePod -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Occams razor: what's more likely? Cartel members with fake ID, or CIA agents that resorted to driving as opposed to other options for transporting narcotics?

Just because there are dots on a page doesn't mean they form the picture you're looking for.

I'ts just my opinion, but this seems like bullshit.

[–]Loud_Volume[S] 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Even if it was cartels with fake ID, isn't it suspicious that the Sinaloa cartel was caught working with the US government?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.businessinsider.com/the-us-government-and-the-sinaloa-cartel-2014-1?client=safari

[–]BigAlBerry 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I think if anything, the fellas, maybe ex CIA maybe not, maybe no training what so ever, were hired/working for the cartels to get drugs over the border. If I was caught at the border by minutemen, how seem to be unwavering in their commitment and patriotism, the logical arugement to get them to release you, would be to tell them your working for the government and on mission. So seems like to me these 2 guys got caught smuggling drugs, they started to lie to cover there ass, and to try to get released. Eventually the lies being told or the lies in the police report are what got published here, just instead of lies, the news report covered it all as real.

TLDR: Basically the incident happened, but the fact the 2 arrested were working for the CIA is highly unlikely and was originally mentioned as a attempt to get law enforcement to let them go.

[–]Loud_Volume[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

No one moves 10 million dollars worth of cocaine without some kind of oversight by a larger operation.

Not to mention the fact that the us was caught being buddy buddy with the Sinaloa cartel

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.businessinsider.com/the-us-government-and-the-sinaloa-cartel-2014-1?client=safari

The article says this cocaine was from the Sinaloa cartel.

See what I'm getting at?

[–]BigAlBerry 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yea i see what your saying. Everything does seem alil shadier then normal. Alot of coincidences thats for sure

[–]ixholla 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

They pull out their CIA badges because.

1 They don't give 2 Fucks....

2 The Cocaine CIA Express Shipment will be delivered as usual and on time.

[–]freedmason 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

CIA involvement in drug running is already well-confirmed.

[–]Scroon 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The obvious reason why they id'd themselves as CIA is because they had a group of armed, easily angered US citizens pointng guns at them. What other excuse can you think of that wouldn't get you shot in a similar situation?

[–]myotheralt 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sounds like season 5 of Archer.

[–]RazsterOxzine [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

The CIA has better methods of running illegal ops. They have no need to go through the backdoor when they can easily go through the front door.

[–]conspiracy_thug [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

ALREADY THE COVERUP BEGINS!

[–]cannibaloxfords 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

why the fuck would the CIA dudes even have CIA id's while bringing coke over the border, and then go on to tell the minutemen what they were doing and their plans?

While I agree, I doubt they would talk/admit, but when you have guns pointed at you, grown men start singing like birds. On another note, the cia ID's I wouldn't be surprised one bit. I had a family member do something highly illegal and he had to flee the country and these goons used to come to my place twice a year to 'update' their records on witnesses, and they'd send 2 goons every time and these guys were simply idiots.

They would try to spin shit and and I'd play games with them and they would fall for it

[–]Spark_Plugg -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (6子コメント)

The CIA helping cartels sounds fake? Sounds like history repeating itself to me.

[–]freedmason 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Extensive documentation of the involvement of several different governments in the drug trade:

https://archive.org/details/DopeInc.BritainOpiumWarAgainstTheUs1978.pdfVersion2

[–]moparornocar 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (3子コメント)

did you not read my whole comment? im not sure how you reached that conclusion from my comment, can you elaborate how you assumed those were my thoughts?

[–]Spark_Plugg 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

sounds fake that they showed ID and said were doing CIA business.. I don't think thats unbelievable at all. "Hey, were with the CIA, dont fuck with us. this is just a sting operation, were all on the same side here" is how I imagine that conversation went.

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    [–]moparornocar 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I mean, its not the source or anything though, its the details and how they gave themselves up as CIA and gave away their plans as soon as they got caught.

    No fake aliases, or ID's or anything. Just seems way too convenient of a story in my eyes.

    [–]emperorisnaked7 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Nobody said they don't do it. Just the way this story went it seems way too easy. They deny everything all the time, so why would they suddenly admit anything to some bullshit dudes watching the border? Also, they aren't inept, unless these guys are going rogue and acting alone, they would have intel about who was watching the border and where and know where not to go. So them running into these guys is super low on things that are likely to happen to the CIA.

    [–]EricCarver 35 ポイント36 ポイント  (8子コメント)

    So 2 minutemen stop 2 CIA drug runners, and they just blurt out their plans to these guys? Lol.

    [–]Loud_Volume[S] 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (7子コメント)

    It was a group of Minutemen, and they didn't really blurt out there plan, they just provided ID that said they were CIA agents in an attempt to have the minute men let them go.

    [–]BigAlBerry 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (5子コメント)

    Isn't it a no no, to even tell people you work for the CIA?

    [–]Ashleysdad123 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Better to blow your cover to a couple of patriots than get someone massacred by cartel for disappearing with cartel assets.

    [–]BigAlBerry 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    True that boss

    [–]DoYouBooBooDoYou [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

    The cartel wouldn't dare kill two CIA agents over a shipment. Losing 10 million is a small price to pay to have the most powerful organization in the world on your team.

    Plus killing Americans any American is bad for business now times that by infinite and that is how bad killing a CIA agent would be

    [–]Ashleysdad123 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    I don't think the Company is as loyal to its officers as you think it is. Disavowal is a real thing.

    [–]libbylibertarian 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    That would depend on the capacity in which you work for them.

    [–]EricCarver 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    If true, that is crazy.

    [–]FuckingWeebsX 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    The source you give isnt a source for this article.

    The source given by the article goes to another generic conspiracy newssite filled with shit about aliens and other bullshit.

    And you believe this?

    [–]Loud_Volume[S] -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Given the history of alphabet letter agencies, yes, I believe this.

    Edit: yes many have pointed out these sources originate from satire websites. I updated my original thread with a disclaimer

    [–]errantdashingseagull [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

    The original source is Worldnewsdailyreport, which also runs headlines like "JAPANESE WHALING CREW EATEN ALIVE BY KILLER WHALES, 16 DEAD". This isn't a real story.

    That should have been your first clue.

    Your second clue should have been the quote from the "CIA spokesperson" Boyd, which cannot be found anywhere on the internet except in copy-pasted versions of this fake story.

    [–]Loud_Volume[S] [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    Yes thanks. Others have pointed it out.

    I updated my post with a disclaimer.

    [–]littleblueanarchist 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    gary webb,

    vindication 20 years later.

    RIP

    (suicide with 2 bullets to his head after uncovering the CIA-medaine partnership to launder money through the sale of cocaine to purchase guns for afghans in the 1990s. the glut of coke on the US market was directly responsible for the crack epidemic. his reputation and career was ruined by vilification by WAPO).

    [–]Loud_Volume[S] 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Thank you! I can't believe I forgot this amazing man.

    Here's some links for anyone that's interested

    http://www.narconews.com/darkalliance/drugs/start.htm

    Webb was found dead in his Carmichael home on December 10, 2004 with two gunshot wounds to the head. His death was ruled suicide by the Sacramento County coroner's office.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Webb

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    [–]Gmoney69er1 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Hahaha, sounds like a plot from the TV show Archer.

    [–]Scroon 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    This should surprise no one.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegations_of_CIA_drug_trafficking

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    [–]Loud_Volume[S] [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    Thanks for the link, I'm going to add it to my main post.

    [–]Bacore 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    No doubt the CIA drove coke across the border but showing their IDs? Nope. They would wait for release from jail later when their supervisor called the DA. Unless, of course these were rogue agents, utilizing their IDs to take advantage of some limited part time income producing opportunities.

    [–]BasedPontiff [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

    And the agents let them search the car? I don't think so.

    [–]Bacore [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    Why would they drive it over the border when they have their own fleet of leased planes and pilot? I think a couple of guys were trying to make a little side cash.

    [–]uppitydownity [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

    This is satire

    They've stolen this: http://worldnewsdailyreport.com/two-cia-agents-arrested-by-minutemen-while-crossing-mexican-border-with-1300-pounds-of-cocaine/

    WNDR assumes however all responsibility for the satirical nature of its articles and for the fictional nature of their content. All characters appearing in the articles in this website – even those based on real people – are entirely fictional and any resemblance between them and any persons, living, dead, or undead is purely a miracle.

    http://worldnewsdailyreport.com/disclaimer_/

    Although....

    http://worldnewsdailyreport.com/russian-hooker-who-had-sex-with-donald-trump-mocks-his-tiny-penis

    http://worldnewsdailyreport.com/russian-hacker-says-he-regrets-putting-donald-trump-into-power

    http://worldnewsdailyreport.com/trump-tweets-taco-bell-to-make-tacos-in-the-u-s-or-face-big-border-taxes

    http://worldnewsdailyreport.com/electoral-college-elector-commits-suicide-to-avoid-voting-for-donald-trump

    [–]errantdashingseagull [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    ~500 upvotes in 2 hours for a story from the site that brought us journalistic bombshells like "AUSTRALIA: 600-POUND WOMAN GIVES BIRTH TO 40-POUND BABY" and "JAPANESE WHALING CREW EATEN ALIVE BY KILLER WHALES, 16 DEAD".

    Yeah, some real "critical thinkers" in this sub.

    [–]arbitrarysquid 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    This is the same site that has the breaking news that the Vatican is monitoring the heavens with their L.U.C.I.F.E.R. telescope "whilst secretely preparing for the arrival of their alien Masters"

    and also that you can kill cancer with Vitamin C.

    I'm going to need to see some other sources for the story.

    [–]Stunner900 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (5子コメント)

    The CIA has some explaining to do....

    [–]Loud_Volume[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (4子コメント)

    Every government agency has a lot of explaining to do.

    [–]Stunner900 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Ik, but smuggling drugs across the border?!

    [–]Loud_Volume[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    I agree completely. What's even worse to think about is that much darker things have happened and are happening but are currently being exposed (because of the golden age we are entering, truth is coming to light)

    [–]Stunner900 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

    As it is written in scripture: "This is the judgment: that light has entered the world, and men have preferred darkness to light because their deeds were evil. Everybody who does wrong hates the light and keeps away from it, for fear his deeds may be exposed. But everybody who is living by the truth will come to the light to make it plain that all he has done has been done through God."

    So it is no surprise to me things are being revealed

    [–]Loud_Volume[S] [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    Beautiful scripture, I'm saving that in my quotes and powerful truths. Thank you man, much thanks for the reply

    [–]emperorisnaked7 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Okay, so apparently this happened in 2015? Here is a video I found on it on youtube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKAodoIu3f4

    Published on Apr 24, 2015

    Also, I can't find the names or any contact info for these Minutemen. Anyone have that info?

    The best I have is this story: https://www.texasobserver.org/citizen-militia-brownsville/

    I found this page, with 2 emails for the COs who might be part of that same militia group. I emailed KC to see if he has anything. I'll keep you posted.

    https://kellidgordonlibertyblog.wordpress.com/2014/08/24/camp-lone-star/

    [–]Loud_Volume[S] [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

    Thank you for the research and effort! I'm going to go through your links as well and post any collaborating evidence to my main post.

    Much thanks again man, keep us updated!

    [–]Ne007 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    You have to hold these guys and their supervisors accountable. Drain the fucking swamp. Shut the CIA down...Fuuuuck them.

    [–]fjortisar [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

    Showed "CIA ID cards".... yeah

    If this really happened and these two actually showed that, then there's a pretty high chance it was fake and they were just doing that to scare anyone that asked questions.

    [–]Loud_Volume[S] [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

    Even if the cards were fake why do they have 10 million dollars worth of cocaine? Made by the Sinaloa cartel? Which has been found to be working with the United States government?

    That's a lot of coincidences

    [–]fjortisar [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    Because they weren't actually CIA agents... they were just drug runners

    [–]goldenshowertrump [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

    The source of that is World News Daily, which has other stories like this: http://worldnewsdailyreport.com/russian-hooker-who-had-sex-with-donald-trump-mocks-his-tiny-penis/

    [–]errantdashingseagull [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

    You should submit that one to this sub, see if it gets 500 upvotes in two hours like this story did. Somehow I don't think that story will get the same reception.

    [–]Frikoffbubbles 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    This should be front page news.

    [–]freedmason 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Holy shit, we've hit the motherlode!

    ARCHIVE EVERYTHING!

    [–]Loud_Volume[S] -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    This is one dot in a series of dots populating a larger picture.

    If we can gather, collect, and organize all these dots we can connect and see the bigger picture and share it with all that have ears to hear.

    [–]freedmason -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I posted this earlier:

    https://archive.org/details/DopeInc.BritainOpiumWarAgainstTheUs1978.pdfVersion2

    It's a 1978 account of how several different governments are involved in the drug trade.

    [–]Loud_Volume[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Thank you, another dot to add. I'll compile all these articles, much thanks brother

    [–]EsotericRefuse 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (23子コメント)

    This "story" is more than two years old, and it's BS. http://www.snopes.com/cia-crossing-border-cocaine/

    [–]Spark_Plugg 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    well if SNOPES says so.....

    [–]uppitydownity [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    hurr-durr snopes

    It should be really easy to prove this story didn't come from a satirical site if Snopes are wrong. Can you do that?

    Also, why would a satirical site publish a real story?

    [–]littleblueanarchist 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    had it existed, snopes would have labled gary webb's reporting of the CIA-medaine partnership to launder money through cocaine to fund guns for the afghans in the 1990s. likely citing the WAPO articles that destroyed his reputation and career. WAPO's stated sources? unnamed high up officials at the CIA.

    that movie with tom hanks, charlie wilson's war, is all about our clandestine CIA proxy war in afghanistan, painting him as a hero for submitting fictious budget requests to fund it (i.e. lying to and defrauding the american people, and embelizing from the US govt). the cocaine running began when his ability to get a way with that waned.

    [–]Loud_Volume[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (19子コメント)

    Are you really going to source snopes, a known fake knews verifier? Literally tasked with the responsibility to decide what is real or fake news. You trust that media outlet?

    You trust it was just 2 random drug runners with 10 million dollars worth of cocaine in their suv?

    [–]uppitydownity [スコア非表示]  (11子コメント)

    a known fake knews verifier

    News? But yes, here they are verifying fake news as fake, that's what they do.

    Why don't you try to counter the Snopes article? It should be pretty easy to prove it didn't come from WDNR if that's the truth.

    [–]Loud_Volume[S] [スコア非表示]  (10子コメント)

    Do me a favor and try to dispel all these coincidences

    [–]uppitydownity [スコア非表示]  (9子コメント)

    What on earth does that have to do with the link you posted?

    Whoopity-do, the CIA have involvement with drugs. The story you posted is sourced from a satirical site.

    Just admit you got duped.

    [–]Loud_Volume[S] [スコア非表示]  (8子コメント)

    Point me to where it says that that website is satirical in any nature?

    The only ones getting duped are us as we argue with each other over details meanwhile dark shit is happening under our noses but people are too divided to stand together and ask critical questions.

    [–]uppitydownity [スコア非表示]  (7子コメント)

    http://worldnewsdailyreport.com/disclaimer_/

    The only ones getting duped are us as we argue with each other over details meanwhile dark shit is happening under our noses but people are too divided to stand together and ask critical questions.

    No, you got duped by satire. So did the site you got this from.

    [–]Loud_Volume[S] [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

    I'll attempt to find more information on this and see if it is indeed satire.

    Just because they put that warning does not mean their whole website is satire.

    I applaud your skeptism but the CIA has a lot of evidence against them that they do indeed run drugs.

    Even if this article is satire, it's very obvious that the CIA has been running drugs for the black market for decades.

    [–]uppitydownity [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

    So go and look at the website, then come back and admit you were duped.

    Blather about the CIA all you like, you've been completely fooled by satire and made loads of comments trying to defend it and prove it's true ...based on what the satirical piece says.

    [–]Loud_Volume[S] [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

    No need to admit to anything to stroke your ego. I've already said multiple times I'm trying to find more information on this story and any verification is appreciated.

    I'm not going to feed your ego by admitting fault because shit fucking happens and none of us are perfect so quit trying to be morally superior here and divide the subject even further.

    That's all I'm going to say to you because you're wasting time by pointing fingers at me when we should be further researching this subject of CIA interference in the running of drugs for the black market.

    [–]dsac [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

    hold up, you're going to claim that this guy's "debunking" source is full of shit because they are untrustworthy, but you put your full faith into the article you posted from a website that also posts articles titled "Toxic Truth About Baby Carrots & Why You Shouldn't Eat Them" and "Flu Shots Have More than 250x EPA Mercury Safe Limit" and "Satanic Symbols in Washington DC" and "Big study: Vaccinated Kids 2-5 More Diseases Than Unvaccinated"?

    [–]Loud_Volume[S] [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

    I'd rather put my trust in an alternative news source that is open minded and willing to discuss alternative theories and ideas.

    I'd rather not put my trust in a main stream media source that crusades as the champion of verifier of fake or real news.

    [–]dsac [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

    I'd rather put my trust in an alternative news source that is open minded and willing to discuss alternative theories and ideas.

    You do realise that the "alternative theories and ideas" are completely unfounded, right? Like, it takes a special kind of dumbass to believe that this study has any grounds for legitimacy at all. The sample group is completely non-random, the study was funded by Google Adwords revenue, it's authored by a "homeopathic practitioner", and hasn't been peer-reviewed by anyone (for good reason, it'd be shot down in a heartbeat for failing to follow even a hint of scientific method - but i guess you can't expect any respect for science from a "homeopathic practitioner")

    This website is an echo chamber for the paranoid.

    As for your article, it's copied (sourced) from worldnewsdailyreport.com, which is even more out-there than the one you posted. Featured under it's "Most Popular" section the following articles (i'm thinking "stories" would be a better descriptor):

    • JAPANESE WHALING CREW EATEN ALIVE BY KILLER WHALES, 16 DEAD
    • GERMAN SCIENTISTS PROVE THERE IS LIFE AFTER DEATH
    • YOKO ONO: “I HAD AN AFFAIR WITH HILLARY CLINTON IN THE ’70S”
    • AUSTRALIA: 600-POUND WOMAN GIVES BIRTH TO 40-POUND BABY
    • MAN KICKED OUT OF ALL-YOU-CAN-EAT BUFFET AFTER EATING MORE THAN 50 LBS OF FOOD, SUES FOR $2-MILLION
    • ‘LITTLE OLD LADY’ ARRESTED FOR MAKING FUR COATS WITH NEIGHBOR’S CATS

    Or how about a sampling of some of their recent posts:

    • PYRAMIDS WERE BUILT WITH HELP FROM DINOSAURS, CLAIMS TOP EGYPTOLOGIST
    • ALIENS MEDDLED WITH U.S. ELECTION CLAIMS CONTROVERSIAL EXPERT
    • RUINS OF 19TH CENTURY SNOW FORT DISCOVERED IN NORTHERN CANADA
    • YEMEN: COURT RULES TEENAGER HAS TO MARRY IMPREGNATED CAMEL
    • 7-YEAR OLD GIRL RECEIVES BREAST IMPLANTS FOR CHRISTMAS

    come the fuck on man.

    [–]Loud_Volume[S] [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

    I agree this needs further verification, I won't deny that and I appreciate you taking the time to point this out.

    But we should not dismiss the fact that the CIA has a long history of meddling in drug running.

    [–]dsac [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

    But we should not dismiss the fact that the CIA has a long history of meddling in drug running.

    No one is dismissing that, but if that was the goal of your discussion, there are far more reputable sources than this shitshow of a clickbait circlejerk.

    [–]Loud_Volume[S] [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    I do agree, and because of that I've been compiling all the evidence I can find of CIA drug running which I've now included in my main post.

    Thanks for the reply

    [–]diluted_confusion [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    "A group of minutemen watching the Mexican Border for illegal migrants and drug traffickers, have proceeded to the citizen arrest of two men in an SUV,"

    So they were crossing the border, but not via the roadways? It was never specified, although I'm assuming that. However, I've seen parts of the border in Texas, near El Paso and I just never realized that there are areas where an SUV can travel towards the border, in a vehicle kicking up dust, undetected by Border patrol from miles away and up to the border. Large amounts of information is being left out or its BS. I suspect the latter.

    [–][削除されました]  (1子コメント)

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      [–]NutritionResearch 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      WNDR assumes however all responsibility for the satirical nature of its articles and for the fictional nature of their content.

      http://worldnewsdailyreport.com/disclaimer_/

      You probably already know it's satire.

      [–]Laborigen 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

      They have been managing and importing from Afghanistan, too. http://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/06/04/the-cia-continues-trafficking-drugs-from-afghanistan/

      [–]Loud_Volume[S] -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      I have such mad respect for veterans today. Every article I've read from there is spot fucking on and well researched. Thanks for sharing man, I'm going to collaborate and compile all these sources and links and connect a bigger picture.

      [–]JamesColesPardon[M] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

      Flaired to reflect the correct date of the story. That is all.

      [–]Loud_Volume[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Thank you. With as much attention as its getting I figured I should have included the date, thanks for doing it for me.

      [–]AnalogDan [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      No "unverified" tag, though. Lol.

      [–]Bacore -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      1300 pounds? This IS going to be a fun inauguration.

      [–]AFuckYou [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

      Can they really do this? Don't worry, we're CIA,we don't follow the law, only enforce it.

      Not to mention 1,300 pounds. They are fucking drug dealers. The fuck gov are the dealers.

      [–]Loud_Volume[S] [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      I added another link to my original post.

      In 2012 a CIA plane crash landed in Mexico and it had 4 tons of cocaine aboard

      http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2012/12/cia-plane-crash-lands-with-four-tons-of-coke-2-2512114.html

      [–]DoYouBooBooDoYou [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

      100% the CIA is running drugs from Mexico but this story does seem a little odd. I just have a hard time believing the CIA was unable to pull rank in this situation. Regardless the intentions of the Minutemen they would have to know their lives were on the line. The CIA agents also would be able to make a few calls. Those calls would 99.9% allow the CIA Agents to walk away, no mention to press and a fat little cash bonus in the accounts of the minutemen....... that or dead.

      [–]Loud_Volume[S] [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

      Help me find more information on it.

      I can't do this alone.

      It's obvious the CIA runs drugs and while we do need more verification on this story, it's hard to brush off the long list of coincidences linking the CIA to drug running

      [–]DoYouBooBooDoYou [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      More info on what exactly. There is plenty of info online regarding CIA and drug running.

      Let me know how I can help

      [–]Horus_Krishna_5 [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

      CIA ID cards? cmon gonna need proof

      [–]Loud_Volume[S] [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

      Help me find more information. I'm looking as hard as I can but with as much attention as this post is getting I'm having a hard time keeping up. Help me out here

      [–]Horus_Krishna_5 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      not sure how to. all signs point to this being made up.

      [–]Hazzman [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      If there is one thing the CIA does not do, its' get their hands dirty.

      They almost always use a 3rd party.

      [–]Venicide1492 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      http://www.snopes.com/cia-crossing-border-cocaine/

      FAKE,

      very very fake

      [–]soullessgeth [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      oh shit...the plot deepens...i highly suspect this is true. note the use of cia drug smuggling during iran contra

      [–]CharlesGalactica [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

      Not sure of legitimacy of this but I'd like to point out that the "CIA plane" that crashed in 2012 was actually sold off by the CIA years earlier and virtual shows not much connection to them. Now I'm under the impression that the majority of the drugs in this country are trafficked by the CIA but evidence is only proof if its accurate.

      [–]Loud_Volume[S] [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      Thanks for pointing this out.

      If you can provide any additional information towards CIA involvement in drug running I'd appreciate it and I'll include it in the main post