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Cyberdemon531 Opens up About her AGDQ 2017 Experience (self.speedrun)
ProInfernape が 13時間前 投稿
http://cyberdemon531.tumblr.com/post/155914825760/agdq2017-summary-blog-post-11517
Please read it fully before making any judgements.
[–]TheOnin 67 ポイント68 ポイント69 ポイント 13時間前 (25子コメント)
Look, Cyberdemon, if you act like an asshole on the internet, it absolutely puts people in their right to dislike you in real life. There's not some magical barrier between The Internet and Real Life that makes actions on one not lead to consequences in the other. You seem to think that it does.
It is very petty that some people seem to go out of their way to screw with you. I mean, even if everything was blatantly your fault, what kind of douche goes out to harass people during a charity event, that's fucked up.
[–]dragon_gard 7 ポイント8 ポイント9 ポイント 7時間前 (1子コメント)
The only thing he is guilty of is being friends with PvtCb. And what Cb is guilty of, is making a joke about GDQ, which they can't stand being disrespected. It's "death threats" at one point and then no threat detected at another. proof: https://www.reddit.com/r/speedrun/comments/5n0zpc/dear_agdq_please_step_up_your_game/dcb2xf0/
[–]SomeWolf 4 ポイント5 ポイント6 ポイント 4時間前 (0子コメント)
You're upset that they didn't take his death threats seriously?
[+]Cyberdemon531akind of a big deal スコアが基準値未満のコメント-19 ポイント-18 ポイント-17 ポイント 13時間前 (22子コメント)
Can you explain how I "act like an asshole on the internet"?
[–]paranormalfish 48 ポイント49 ポイント50 ポイント 12時間前 (6子コメント)
"Another minor tangent, I understand that I say a lot of shit on the net, and I do like to spark drama out of nonsense because it keeps me interested in things. However, personally, I don’t think ANY of this behavior is acceptable in a real-life scenario. Holding a grudge against people for years over a meme on the internet is just fucking stupid."
You already know that you act like an asshole to people when you don't have to deal with repercussions. Lo and behold, most people in the real world don't put up with petty bullshit and your actions do, in fact, have consequences.
[+]Cyberdemon531akind of a big deal スコアが基準値未満のコメント-20 ポイント-19 ポイント-18 ポイント 12時間前 (5子コメント)
Please explain to me how making fun of a speedrun leaderboard on the internet is grounds for verbal abuse and harassment in the real world.
[–]hollowkatt 21 ポイント22 ポイント23 ポイント 12時間前 (4子コメント)
When you're a jerk online it WILL color people's irl reactions to you, no matter how you want it to be different.
[+]Cyberdemon531akind of a big deal スコアが基準値未満のコメント-12 ポイント-11 ポイント-10 ポイント 12時間前 (3子コメント)
How does that excuse their actions?
[–]KangarooKKZ_FREW | GTA Vice City 32 ポイント33 ポイント34 ポイント 12時間前 (2子コメント)
Baiting people into drama and then playing victim when they lash back isn't going to bring you the kindness from others that you're looking for. You'll have to clean up your act for that.
You're so concerned with what justifies their actions that you're not considering what justifies yours. Look inward a bit. Some people might have been a little too harsh to you, yes. But you've been a little too harsh to lots of people in the past.
It comes around eventually.
[–]Cyberdemon531akind of a big deal 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 11時間前 (1子コメント)
When have I yelled at people in a public space for 30 minutes without reason? I can't recall ever doing anything like that. Also, what actions do I need to "justify"? Calling a leaderboard retarded on speedrun.com because it follows arbitrary and nonsensical rulings?
[–]KangarooKKZ_FREW | GTA Vice City 34 ポイント35 ポイント36 ポイント 11時間前 (0子コメント)
This is the issue right here. You refuse to take responsibility for your actions because you label them insignificant, and then you point the finger elsewhere.
I'll put it simply: this isn't how to earn respect. I want it for you, I do. But you're going about handling this the wrong way.
[–]Swineflew1 19 ポイント20 ポイント21 ポイント 12時間前 (0子コメント)
Read your posts here for starters.
[–]MarxvileSpace Station: Silicon Valley 17 ポイント18 ポイント19 ポイント 12時間前 (7子コメント)
You seem to not understand why people think you are controversial and lash out. Putting things forward more maturely in this thread would help your cause but you called people "dense" for disagreeing or missing something which isn't helping you at all.
[–]Cyberdemon531akind of a big deal -1 ポイント0 ポイント1 ポイント 12時間前 (5子コメント)
The poster fit the definition of dense, so I called them dense. If someone calls me something negative, I would go out of my way to prove them otherwise. That's not "being an asshole", that's telling someone how it is.
[–]ImNotAtWorkTrustMe 12 ポイント13 ポイント14 ポイント 12時間前 (0子コメント)
"Telling someone how it is" and "being an asshole" are not mutually exclusive.
Someone with a mental handicap may be retarded, but saying to them "hey buddy, you're retarded" is both telling them how it is AND being an asshole.
[–]JoshuaSattan 17 ポイント18 ポイント19 ポイント 12時間前 (0子コメント)
you arent doing much proving otherwise here though, which i thought was the intention.
[–]MarxvileSpace Station: Silicon Valley 5 ポイント6 ポイント7 ポイント 10時間前 (2子コメント)
It fits to say "2 wrongs don't make a right" in this whole thing. You put your side forward (which I respect by the way, props for you for doing that at the moment) but you can't go around calling people dense for saying that. You would have done better not doing that part. Saying they missed key points, sure, but insulting people doesn't portray either side in a good light.
[–]Cyberdemon531akind of a big deal 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 10時間前 (1子コメント)
I understand that, but posting on reddit and lying about the situation when there is proof and facts that directly counter it isn't good behavior. I called it what it was, an individual being dense and refusing to look at the situation objectively.
[–]MarxvileSpace Station: Silicon Valley 8 ポイント9 ポイント10 ポイント 9時間前 (0子コメント)
And we are within our right to say "that's kind of asshole behaviour" given that I remember a similar conversation I've had with you before about a very similar remark you've made then too. Both sides are coming across as assholes, just don't insult people and maybe then you'll get a few more people on your side.
[–]XelnasspeedyFF9, FF1PSP. FFX/X-2HD twitch.tv/xelnas 17 ポイント18 ポイント19 ポイント 12時間前 (5子コメント)
"Anything we do won't make this fucking shady fucking event any less credible"
Your group of shit heads in the lan room... sound familiar. Also considering not even your friends refer to you as fenale irl I wonder could you be doing this trans thing just so you can randomly getcha people online?
[–]Cyberdemon531akind of a big deal 6 ポイント7 ポイント8 ポイント 12時間前 (4子コメント)
I don't know what that quote even is from, but i never said that. Also, some people do, some people don't, but thanks for denying my identity! Really makes you a nice and respectful person :)
[–]XelnasspeedyFF9, FF1PSP. FFX/X-2HD twitch.tv/xelnas 12 ポイント13 ポイント14 ポイント 12時間前 (3子コメント)
I skew respect to period who deserve it.
People like protomagicalgirl kai EoN and others who are actually decent people both in person and online
[–]Cyberdemon531akind of a big deal 3 ポイント4 ポイント5 ポイント 11時間前 (2子コメント)
How does that make sense? Also, why do you even hate me so much? You constantly talk on reddit about how awful of a person I am, lie about me, and attack me on every given opportunity without ever speaking to me in a formal or legitimate manner. By the way, were you the one who lost your wallet on saturday? If so, did you ever find it?
[–]rrrteeth 5 ポイント6 ポイント7 ポイント 9時間前 (1子コメント)
thats what happens when you act like an entitled shit on the internet and play victim when you get called out on it.
and fuck that guys wallet.
[–]Cyberdemon531akind of a big deal 5 ポイント6 ポイント7 ポイント 9時間前 (0子コメント)
How have I acted entitled in any way? Do you understand what that word means? I do not feel as if I deserve special treatment in any capacity, and am thus not entitled. Also, I am "playing victim" because I was genuinely wronged and harassed by the staff of this event in a multitude of different ways. It's most unfortunate that you and other people can't see past personal hate and grudges, to understand that everyone is a human, and deserves to be treated as such. Especially in a physical environment.
[–]Kicking222 54 ポイント55 ポイント56 ポイント 12時間前 (1子コメント)
This could be an Onion headline.
Internet Shithead Amazed That People Don't Like Her In Real Life
[–]JoshuaSattan 9 ポイント10 ポイント11 ポイント 11時間前 (0子コメント)
/r/nottheonion
[–]GaryOak151 28 ポイント29 ポイント30 ポイント 11時間前 (15子コメント)
So I actually just started following speedrunning and this sub maybe a month ago. And one of the first things I realized is how awful Cyberdemon is.
It's hard to blame people who don't take Cyberdemon being trans very seriously when Cyberdemon created and moderates a subreddit dedicated pretty much solely to harassing a well known trans speedrunner. Cyber states that being Trans is a mental illness. There is evidence of Cyber encouraging and excusing sexual harrasment (https://www.reddit.com/r/GirlGamers/comments/1vol38/a_bad_experience_with_gaming/?utm_content=title&utm_medium=user&utm_source=reddit). Honestly, the fact that people like Cyber are a part of this community made me hesitant to start following speedrunning at first, until I realized that people like Cyber are a pretty distinct minority.
In short: Cyber is one of the worst people I've ever seen online. Cyber gets unhappy there are consequences in real life for internet actions.
[–]lingrush 18 ポイント19 ポイント20 ポイント 7時間前 (6子コメント)
I just looked up /r/speedruncelebrities and it is literally a hate group for a single person, and it is indeed run and encouraged by Cyber. How is Cyber still accepted in the speedrunning community at all?
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[–]Cyberdemon531akind of a big deal 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 6時間前 (4子コメント)
when have i encouraged it? try reading the stickied thread in the sub before attacking someone.
[–]lingrush 15 ポイント16 ポイント17 ポイント 6時間前* (3子コメント)
In the thread you link you're clearly trying to discredit her as a speedrunner and you keep up a ton of transphobic comments. As a responsible moderator you should remove harassing/hate posts in a subreddit. edit: Your claim to your hands being tied due to 'free speech' is a pretty transparently Mean Girls move.
I'm at a complete loss for how obtuse you're being; it seems pretty clear you're playing ignorant to downplay the fact you're actively instigating harassment of other people. Thank god most of the speedrunning community seems to hate you.
[–]Cyberdemon531akind of a big deal -1 ポイント0 ポイント1 ポイント 6時間前 (2子コメント)
Again, read the post before attacking me. All your "points" are refuted in the post thread I linked. Try again. :)
[–]lingrush 15 ポイント16 ポイント17 ポイント 6時間前 (1子コメント)
Huh, I can't tell if you're an idiot or a bad troll.
[–]Cyberdemon531akind of a big deal -3 ポイント-2 ポイント-1 ポイント 6時間前 (0子コメント)
Same can be said for you. You're purposefully misinforming people about my stance and views, and refuse to actually read posts that directly contradict everything you say (while claiming to have read them). Try again :)
[–]Cyberdemon531akind of a big deal 5 ポイント6 ポイント7 ポイント 10時間前 (7子コメント)
how is anything in that post (From about close to 3 years ago) relevant to anything here? Also, when did I encourage sexual harassment? Hello?
I don't moderate r/speedruncelebrities, I made it as a joke and look at it every few months. Also, I don't condone or care about the content posted there, and have gone into some threads now and again to defend Narci when I see something I consider bad or misleading.
Also, Transgenderism is, in fact, a mental illness. Derived from Gender Dysphoria, which is a feeling that you do not belong in your given birth gender. That's a fact. Does that mean I hate trannies? No. Depression is also a mental illness (which I also possess), but you don't see me harassing people over being depressed in a legitimate fashion. In short, just because I call something what it is, doesn't mean I have a bigoted perspective of it. I am more acutely aware of how gender dysphoria works than people that do not have it (which I'm assuming you don't, considering your post is spoken from ignorance).
Also, how am I awful? I joke around on the internet, and sometimes people take it seriously. How does that excuse GDQ staff behavior toward me? It doesn't. There's not possible way you could justifiably say that memes online warrant physical and verbal harassment in real life. Disliking someone is one thing, which I understand to be common, but to promote and condone abuse toward someone just because you don't like them is abhorrent and sickening.
[–]altairian 25 ポイント26 ポイント27 ポイント 10時間前 (3子コメント)
Cyberdemon I'm going to let you in on a little secret. When a large group of people tell you something about how you act, your opinion of how you act doesn't override theirs.
Just like, oh I don't know, someone looking at you and saying "hey you have a penis, you're a guy" doesn't change your own mental image of yourself. For example.
Stop getting defensive and actually listen to what people are telling you. You'll become a better person for it.
[–]Cyberdemon531akind of a big deal 14 ポイント15 ポイント16 ポイント 10時間前 (2子コメント)
When an "opinion" is based on misinformation it is a problem. If someone is telling me that I am doing something when I'm not, then that's just either lying or ignorance. I attempt to clarify anything if anyone has an issue with something I've done or how I act, but if people refuse to listen to me and still willfully spread misinformation, then their point of view is objectively less valuable than mine or others who are based in facts.
[–]altairian 14 ポイント15 ポイント16 ポイント 10時間前 (1子コメント)
Thank you for the predictable response! In one ear and out the other in the way that only a true internet troll can accomplish.
[–]Cyberdemon531akind of a big deal 11 ポイント12 ポイント13 ポイント 9時間前 (0子コメント)
Thanks for not talking about anything I mentioned or responding to any of my points. If anyone's a troll, it's you :P
[–]GaryOak151 18 ポイント19 ポイント20 ポイント 10時間前 (2子コメント)
"trannies"
i appreciate you coming in to prove my point!
[–]Cyberdemon531akind of a big deal 11 ポイント12 ポイント13 ポイント 10時間前 (1子コメント)
Nice ad hominem attack. Why don't you respond to my actual argument, now?
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[–]Atroveon 20 ポイント21 ポイント22 ポイント 12時間前 (36子コメント)
Look, I'm sure there are people in the right and in the wrong on both sides. At the end of the day, it's up to you to avoid being in a situation where something like this can happen. Whether deserved or not, they went out of their way before the event started to let you know to stay in line and that didn't happen. If you're going to be an ass on the internet to keep yourself entertained and basically bash the event 24/7, then you should expect the event staff to treat you as such. Professionalism works both ways.
Now, did they handle things properly? It sounds like no, but these are people running a 7 day, 24 hour marathon with millions of dollars on the line. If something goes wrong, it's entirely on them and could potentially ruin the future of any GDQ they want to run in the future. I understand their desire to nip things in the bud before they get out of hand.
Cyberdemon isn't the only one who bashes GDQ that attended and he can't be the only one out of all the attendees who the staff doesn't like. But they managed to avoid bringing out a political lightning rod in the middle of the first run of the event and didn't get banned. You can claim that you wouldn't do what you do on the internet irl, but that is 99% of the interaction that the community has with you. Maybe you're a great guy (obviously many people you met enjoyed hanging out with you), but your internet persona has caught up to you my friend.
[–]chekwob 8 ポイント9 ポイント10 ポイント 12時間前 (17子コメント)
You talk about this as if cyber/pvtcb were waving around metal poles in a thunder storm and were then struck by lightning. GDQ staff are not a natural force, they are people. People make conscious decisions, and the conscious decision here is what resulted in this bullshit.
I mean honestly, what you're saying is "don't tease the gorilla because he'll beat you to a pulp", which is just saying that the GDQ staff who were involved in this are uncivilized apes.
But they managed to avoid bringing out a political lightning rod in the middle of the first run of the event and didn't get banned.
I don't know if you've heard, but Trump is actually the president-elect of The United States of America.
[–]ImNotAtWorkTrustMe 8 ポイント9 ポイント10 ポイント 12時間前 (5子コメント)
And that is still politics. If they wore Barack Obama hats they should have suffered the same consequences.
[–]Cyberdemon531akind of a big deal 6 ポイント7 ポイント8 ポイント 11時間前 (4子コメント)
how about people wearing bernie shirts on stream? or people wearing MAGA hats last agdq with no punishment? If rules arent followed consistently, then they don't mean anything.
[–]ImNotAtWorkTrustMe 17 ポイント18 ポイント19 ポイント 11時間前 (1子コメント)
Were people wearing Bernie shirts on stream? Then they should be warned/punished all the same. And even though you've mentioned it several times, GDQ staff said they were looking into the incident last AGDQ. Stop being dense.
[–]coolmattyGDQ Organizer 20 ポイント21 ポイント22 ポイント 10時間前 (0子コメント)
He is referring to one of our enforcement staff wearing a GDQ shirt, which was incorrectly labeled as a Bernie shirt on Twitter. We specifically had him walk up to the camera to make it obvious he was not.
[–]Bloggs24 9 ポイント10 ポイント11 ポイント 11時間前 (1子コメント)
They are still the rules, the fact that they were lenient last year does not change the fact that you broke them this year, unlucky for you they decided to enforce them this time.
[–]Cyberdemon531akind of a big deal 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 10時間前 (0子コメント)
enforcing a rule is a separate issue from verbal abuse and harassment.
[–]Atroveon 9 ポイント10 ポイント11 ポイント 12時間前 (3子コメント)
What I'm saying is that both sides were right and wrong. No one can deny MAGA hats aren't a polarizing subject, regardless of the person's reason for wearing it. When someone hands it to you on stream, you have to stop and ask yourself if it's a good idea to put it on. Does that mean that the staff reacted appropriately? No, they obviously could have handled things in a more private, less intimidating manner. But I hardly think that the story we are getting here is the full truth (no one side ever is), even if parts of it are.
What do I have to gain by lying or omitting information? I'm already banned.
[–]Atroveon 15 ポイント16 ポイント17 ポイント 11時間前 (0子コメント)
Another minor tangent, I understand that I say a lot of shit on the net, and I do like to spark drama out of nonsense because it keeps me interested in things
Something like this maybe?
[–]CaptainPedge 15 ポイント16 ポイント17 ポイント 11時間前 (0子コメント)
Drama. That you specifically admit you enjoy.
[–]XelnasspeedyFF9, FF1PSP. FFX/X-2HD twitch.tv/xelnas 9 ポイント10 ポイント11 ポイント 12時間前 (5子コメント)
They literally walked into the lan room day zero and were belligerent to world 9 and staff and were planning shit all weekend
[–]dragon_gard 4 ポイント5 ポイント6 ポイント 6時間前 (3子コメント)
I'd like to see some kind of evidence to this claim, to be honest. I love making hearsay about people I don't like too.
[–]XelnasspeedyFF9, FF1PSP. FFX/X-2HD twitch.tv/xelnas 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 6時間前 (2子コメント)
Interview of the CEO of PCF during GDQ
[–]dragon_gard 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 6時間前 (1子コメント)
a link would be nice, searching for "PCF interview" returns nothing on the GDQ youtube channel
[–]XelnasspeedyFF9, FF1PSP. FFX/X-2HD twitch.tv/xelnas -2 ポイント-1 ポイント0 ポイント 6時間前 (0子コメント)
im recovering in bed from GDFLU otherwise i would...
[–]Cyberdemon531akind of a big deal 4 ポイント5 ポイント6 ポイント 12時間前 (0子コメント)
Huh? That never happened. I didn't say anything to the world9 staff aside from "hello, how are you" once, and what does "planning shit all weekend" mean?
[–]i_make_song 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 5時間前 (0子コメント)
Not saying it's "right" not saying it's "wrong" but if you think passing around a MAGA hat doesn't stir shit up politically then you haven't left the house this past year.
He'll be the next president, but it's not going to be a smooth sailing. Not that it ever is, but Trump is an especially divisive person. Whether you love him, hate him or just flat out don't care you can't ignore that he stirs up passion.
[–]Cyberdemon531akind of a big deal 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 12時間前 (17子コメント)
Can you point to where I would "bash the event 24/7"? Their actions cannot be justified in any context, this was at the beginning of the event, so exhaustion isn't a reasonable defense. The same "incident" happened at AGDQ2016 with no repercussions, which makes the rules arbitrary and inconsistent. The staff themselves violated several of their harassment policy but it doesn't matter because they're staff. Many other attendees violated harassment policy and other policies and received no punishment. GDQ is a business, not a charity. Political affiliation (which wearing a hat isn't, but even if it were) cannot endanger PCF in anyway. That's like saying if Donald Trump donated to PCF, they'd be forced to close down. Nonsense. I violated no rules before or during any of the GDQ events, and was put on Zero Tolerance for an arbitrary staff decision based on personal vendettas. There are dozens of people who have done far worse than i have (in terms of death threats, harassment, bashing) that receive no punishment.
[–]ImNotAtWorkTrustMe 10 ポイント11 ポイント12 ポイント 12時間前 (12子コメント)
You agreed to the rules when you signed up for the event, bought a ticket, and checked into the event (and were told you were on a zero tolerance policy). You can't argue the "no politics" rule after you were punished for it.
[–]Cyberdemon531akind of a big deal 6 ポイント7 ポイント8 ポイント 11時間前 (11子コメント)
Then how come the dozens of other people who broke the rules weren't punished?
[–]mandudecb 7 ポイント8 ポイント9 ポイント 11時間前 (10子コメント)
They got lucky. You didn't.
[–]Notmysexuality 8 ポイント9 ポイント10 ポイント 8時間前 (9子コメント)
Fuck i have to make this point. Oke first of all to be clear Cyberdemon you where rules lawyering and pushing boundaries play with fire get burned, now stop being a child and accept your responsible for getting your own stupid ass kicked out. (sure these are fun games but if you want to push the boundaries of the rules and enforcement comes down on your as be the adult accept you were trolling and take the ban like a grown up). You were perfectly aware what you were doing and came in looking for a fight. Don't complain now that you gotten what you wanted.
That sad, i absolutely hate the cheering of selective rule enforcement going on. Not because i disagree here not even because it might be turned on somebody who doesn't deserve it in the future. Not even because it looks bad on the event. But because selective enforcement of rules has always been a tool for the ingroup to keep outsiders out of their exclusive club it's a way to create enough barriers that only those you want to keep will stay. Now sure one ban of a group of cheeky rules lawyers isn't gonna make the universe collapse and sure this isn't the legal system so it matters a hell of a lot less but it does set a precedent for the future.
Edit: quickly edit this to point out i think this might be the perfect comment both sides will hate me :)
[–]mandudecb 6 ポイント7 ポイント8 ポイント 8時間前 (8子コメント)
I'm not gonna deny that the rules need to be enforced more consistently but he knew he was on zero tolerance and that, therefore, staff would pick on him much more (that's how "zero tolerance" works after all).
[–]Notmysexuality 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 7時間前 (3子コメント)
I get that at some point people run out of warnings, i'm absolutely not saying don't kick the asshat that is looking for a fight out.
But don't do it because of the hats or anything like that just do it because: "you were an asshat looking to antagonize the staff" aka unacceptable behavior. It saves the drama of you can't have this hat but can have this hat, because really the hat thing feels like an excuse and the real reason most of the staff were likely sick of it, that it's attempt number so many to see how far the rules go. ( last part is speculation obviously )
Sure it's still a vague rule but it's clear from an observer's perspective that was the intention of the hats, more so than any political message that was to late to make a differences ( because let's be real this isn't gonna affect an election in 4 years time )
[–]mandudecb 3 ポイント4 ポイント5 ポイント 7時間前 (2子コメント)
I think political affiliation for events like AGDQ is illegal in the US (which is why you want to avoid politics there). I'm not a US citizen though so I wouldn't know this. Can anybody confirm?
[–]Notmysexuality 3 ポイント4 ポイント5 ポイント 7時間前 (0子コメント)
It's somewhere in the US tax code from what i remember, but i don't think the IRS is to heavy on enforcement. ( they got burned a couple of years ago with enforcing this against republicans )
[–]Cyberdemon531akind of a big deal 5 ポイント6 ポイント7 ポイント 7時間前 (0子コメント)
GDQ is a business, which can, if they want, have a political affiliation. PCF is a charity, that cannot.
If wearing MAGA hats meant that PCF ceases to exist, it would have ceased a year ago when two people did the exact same thing.
[–]dragon_gard 3 ポイント4 ポイント5 ポイント 6時間前 (3子コメント)
zero tolerance had a fake reason. (https://www.reddit.com/r/speedrun/comments/5n0zpc/dear_agdq_please_step_up_your_game/dcb2xf0/) It was originally about "death threats" from PvtCb (note: cyberdemon has no involvement here, just guilt by association) but by coolmatty's own words there were no threat to be found.
[–]mandudecb 5 ポイント6 ポイント7 ポイント 6時間前 (2子コメント)
The reason for the zero tolerance has nothing to do with this, so that's irrelevant to this discussion.
[–]dragon_gard 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 6時間前 (1子コメント)
so could you tell me the reason why PvtCb and Cyberdemon531 were on "zero tolerance"?
[–]Atroveon 15 ポイント16 ポイント17 ポイント 12時間前 (1子コメント)
I don't really have time to go through your comment history, but I rarely see any posts here that are positive. As I said, you may be a wonderful person irl, but the community that only sees you online certainly don't see that side of you. Even in your blog you mention your tendency to stir shit up for fun.
As to your claims around past precedent, they really don't matter. To my knowledge, all props, costumes, etc. should be cleared prior to being on stream which didn't happen. If it happened a year ago and no one was punished, that doesn't mean it shouldn't be now. We don't let people off for shoplifting just because their friend did it last year without being caught. It's always better to ask permission to wear it if you think there's any chance it may pose a problem.
[–]Cyberdemon531akind of a big deal -5 ポイント-4 ポイント-3 ポイント 11時間前 (0子コメント)
I didn't know the hats were there, and only put one on since it was handed to me. Also, people broke similar and identical rules later in the even with no punishment whatsoever, meaning they only targeted me due to personal vendettas.
[–]dragon_gard 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 7時間前 (1子コメント)
Yeah but they were using any excuse to get rid of him, the zero tolerance thing was already on false premise to begin with (https://www.reddit.com/r/speedrun/comments/5n0zpc/dear_agdq_please_step_up_your_game/dcb2xf0/) and then once they realised they couldn't get rid of PvtCb for the hat they just made something up about pulling wires. Like, come on? Chances are if it wasn't the hat, cyberdemon would have gotten banned for some other non-offence... like walking around and existing.
[–]SomeWolf 3 ポイント4 ポイント5 ポイント 4時間前 (0子コメント)
Or for being a dick and just causing trouble and drama in general. Which is probably why they were on such a short leash to begin with. Like, come on? Are you serious?
[–]ImNotAtWorkTrustMe 18 ポイント19 ポイント20 ポイント 12時間前 (16子コメント)
As someone in their early 20s who has just gotten over the "I'm a kid and can troll and do anything I want and there shouldn't be any repercussions" phase, there were probably things you did that you shouldn't have (as well as on the GDQ side, I'm sure they're not innocent).
If you knew you were on a ZERO TOLERANCE policy, you should have immediately ended any situation that was against GDQ rules (such as associating with the Trump hats which is against the no politics rule). As soon as the hats got anywhere near you, you should have tossed them aside instead of playing along.
[–]dragon_gard 3 ポイント4 ポイント5 ポイント 7時間前 (1子コメント)
zero tolerance was on false basis, as confirmed by coolmatty himself. here's the post: https://www.reddit.com/r/speedrun/comments/5n0zpc/dear_agdq_please_step_up_your_game/dcb2xf0/
[–]SomeWolf 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 4時間前 (0子コメント)
[–]Cyberdemon531akind of a big deal 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 12時間前 (4子コメント)
How does this excuse their actions before and after the fact? Also, the same thing happened last year with no bans or warnings, and the rules are vague and don't cover what happened in any capacity.
[–]ImNotAtWorkTrustMe 10 ポイント11 ポイント12 ポイント 12時間前 (3子コメント)
Which is exactly why I said they are not innocent here. Their rules should be more specific and their actions should be consistent.
That being said, I'm a similar age, I know how it goes. I also try to troll people, probably similarly to how you or PvCbt did I'd imagine. You were on a zero tolerance policy and probably should have been on your best behavior. As soon as those Trump hats came out I'm sure you thought to yourself "hey maybe I shouldn't take part in this".
[–]Cyberdemon531akind of a big deal 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 11時間前 (2子コメント)
Why would I assume that I would be banned for doing something that didn't break policy, and has a precedent of not receiving punishment?
[–]ImNotAtWorkTrustMe 11 ポイント12 ポイント13 ポイント 11時間前 (1子コメント)
Except it does break their rules.
Right on the page with all the GDQ event rules https://gamesdonequick.com/rules
Any speech or behavior that would fall under a violation of the harassment policy outlined in the rules is not permitted on stream. This includes remarks that would be considered "joking" or "tongue in cheek" in nature. There are clear lines we expect not to be crossed in the harassment policy, those lines are to be respected while on stream. Avoid topics of conversation that are polarizing or controversial in nature. This includes but is not limited to things such as politics, religion, or other “hot button” topics that are innately divisive. Remember that both staff members and the current producer on tech have the ability to give instructions through the headsets during your run. If a staff member requests you to stop a topic of discussion, behavior, or action during your run, you are expected to follow that request. Refusal or willfully ignoring staff input or warnings during your run will be subject to losing the privilege to perform runs/commentary at future events, or the immediate removal from the stream in extreme cases. The nature of acceptable behavior, speech, and activity on stream is always at Games Done Quick staff discretion.
Any speech or behavior that would fall under a violation of the harassment policy outlined in the rules is not permitted on stream. This includes remarks that would be considered "joking" or "tongue in cheek" in nature. There are clear lines we expect not to be crossed in the harassment policy, those lines are to be respected while on stream.
Avoid topics of conversation that are polarizing or controversial in nature. This includes but is not limited to things such as politics, religion, or other “hot button” topics that are innately divisive.
Remember that both staff members and the current producer on tech have the ability to give instructions through the headsets during your run. If a staff member requests you to stop a topic of discussion, behavior, or action during your run, you are expected to follow that request. Refusal or willfully ignoring staff input or warnings during your run will be subject to losing the privilege to perform runs/commentary at future events, or the immediate removal from the stream in extreme cases.
The nature of acceptable behavior, speech, and activity on stream is always at Games Done Quick staff discretion.
[–]Cyberdemon531akind of a big deal -2 ポイント-1 ポイント0 ポイント 11時間前 (0子コメント)
Read my other posts.
[+]chekwob スコアが基準値未満のコメント-8 ポイント-7 ポイント-6 ポイント 12時間前 (8子コメント)
Where is the no politics rule listed?
[–]coolmattyGDQ Organizer 19 ポイント20 ポイント21 ポイント 12時間前 (0子コメント)
On the rules page under stream behavior.
[–]ImNotAtWorkTrustMe 6 ポイント7 ポイント8 ポイント 12時間前 (5子コメント)
[+]chekwob スコアが基準値未満のコメント-6 ポイント-5 ポイント-4 ポイント 11時間前 (4子コメント)
Wearing a hat is not conversation.
[–]Bloggs24 12 ポイント13 ポイント14 ポイント 11時間前 (1子コメント)
They created a conversation by wearing the hats. There is a reason they didnt wear them into the room, there is a reason they put them on mid stream. They knew they were doing something they werent supposed to, the hats are a political, controversial and hot button topic, and they did it for the attention, which is against another AGDQ rule of no costumes, no grand standing or taking any attention away from the runner without the runners and staff's approval.
I dont care who you support, but if you think they weren't instigating drama by bringing the hats into the stream room you are being dense as fuck.
[+]chekwob スコアが基準値未満のコメント-9 ポイント-8 ポイント-7 ポイント 11時間前 (0子コメント)
They created a conversation by wearing the hats.
Creating a conversation is not a conversation. Come back when you actually have a retort.
[–]ImNotAtWorkTrustMe 6 ポイント7 ポイント8 ポイント 11時間前 (1子コメント)
You're right, I guess wearing a hat that said "FUCK ALL NI****S" would be completely fine, right?
[–]chekwob 3 ポイント4 ポイント5 ポイント 11時間前 (0子コメント)
The only thing I can see in the rules regarding this is:
Any speech or behavior that would fall under a violation of the harassment policy outlined in the rules is not permitted on stream.
This would need to be based off of a claim that it's still harassment even if not in the stream room.
[–]Cyberdemon531akind of a big deal 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 11時間前 (0子コメント)
politics is lumped in with religion and "hot button" issues (which doesn't really mean anything as it's so vague), but its not consistently followed. For example, Peaches ran a game about religion and converting people to said religion, and talked about it in his run, isn't talking about religion against the rules? Oh wait. Also, it should be noted that wearing a hat (that isnt legible on stream) is not distracting or inciting conversation, considering no one cared about it until after the ban was made public. The point is, the rules are inconsistent, arbitrary, and rarely followed. They're only really paid attention to when staff has it out for someone. Reminder that staff broke several of the listed rules regarding harassment policy, but they haven't banned.
[–]Bloggs24 33 ポイント34 ポイント35 ポイント 13時間前 (47子コメント)
Who the fuck thought taking MAGA hats to AGDQ was a good idea? Keep your politics to yourself.
[–]RepostThatShit 11 ポイント12 ポイント13 ポイント 11時間前 (12子コメント)
It's definitely not the place for politics, but they banned PvtCinnamonBun for wearing the hat when he didn't wear the hat, while only issuing warnings to other people for the same. Then when presented with the evidence that PvtCinnamonBun never wore the hat like they were alleging, they changed the ban to be about "messing with the cables".
It's really not about the fucking hats here.
[–]coolmattyGDQ Organizer 13 ポイント14 ポイント15 ポイント 11時間前 (9子コメント)
He was ultimately not banned because of the hat. That was a mistake and was corrected as soon as we could finish the vod. Note that we were never presented with evidence of anything, we have our own vod recordings which were being reviewed immediately after the run.
[–]RepostThatShit 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 10時間前* (5子コメント)
But this time you're ultra super seriously not lying for sure this time.
You 100% were challenged and your lies were exposed in recording, there's no "oh we noticed and corrected our mistake" here.
PvtCinnamonbun probably should be banned just for his creepy mass shooting allusions. That's beside the point.
[–]coolmattyGDQ Organizer 17 ポイント18 ポイント19 ポイント 10時間前 (3子コメント)
This was a partial video. The very beginning of our conversation was an apology to Cinnabon for the mistake, as again, we had already reviewed the vod.
[–]RepostThatShit 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 10時間前 (2子コメント)
It's really unfortunate that so little got recorded, because the video is the only testimony on the events that's worth putting any stock in.
[–]AzurillkirbyShadow the Hedgehog 7 ポイント8 ポイント9 ポイント 7時間前 (0子コメント)
PvT corroborates their claim that they apologized, he commented on it later that day.
[–]Cyberdemon531akind of a big deal 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 7時間前 (0子コメント)
there were two conversations, one with and without coolmatty. the video that is uploaded is the one without. the second conversation happened about 1-2 hours later
[–]mzxruleszeldaspeedruns.com -1 ポイント0 ポイント1 ポイント 8時間前 (0子コメント)
got any source on that mass shooting stuff?
[–]PvtCbDoshin, DMC, Shock 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 7時間前 (1子コメント)
This is the part that's blowing my mind. You banned me, then according to your story, you then decided to look over the evidence? I very, very highly doubt you would have done that if I wasn't making a fuss on Twitter and having people contact staff to get you to look at the lack of evidence for a ban.
[–]SomeWolf 6 ポイント7 ポイント8 ポイント 4時間前 (0子コメント)
Yeah man, you're a fucking angel. I don't know how anyone could ever take banning someone like you so lightly without a thorough review of the evidence beforehand. It blows my mind too.
[–]dragon_gard -3 ポイント-2 ポイント-1 ポイント 5時間前 (0子コメント)
So what you're saying is, you rushed to a conclusion? I like how you didn't review the video posted by "RepostThatShit" and automatically assumed it was edited to remove your apology when it was a different meeting entirely. (the one where klaige first bans pvtcb)
[–]Bloggs24 6 ポイント7 ポイント8 ポイント 11時間前 (1子コメント)
Guilt by association, they were his crew. Its not JUST about the hats, its about a certain group of people who instigate drama, they were given a zero tolerance warning beforehand and went ahead with instigating drama. The hats were not worn into the event, they knew they were doing something the AGDQ staff would not allow.
[–]RepostThatShit 8 ポイント9 ポイント10 ポイント 11時間前 (0子コメント)
Guilt by association, they were his crew
Guilt by association, as in... the guilt by association fallacy? That's where the phrase comes from, it's identifying an unreasonable principle.
They banned PvtCinnamonBun for something he didn't do, then lied about "having screenshots of him wearing the hat" and when they got called out on their lie on record, they substituted it with some other bullshit. Deny it if you want, it's on tape. That's my argument.
[–]mynameiswrath 8 ポイント9 ポイント10 ポイント 13時間前 (13子コメント)
Happened at AGDQ 2016 and no one said anything though.
[–]coolmattyGDQ Organizer 16 ポイント17 ポイント18 ポイント 12時間前 (10子コメント)
Do you have a VOD? I would absolutely take care of this if I saw it.
[–]mynameiswrath 11 ポイント12 ポイント13 ポイント 12時間前 (9子コメント)
From AGDQ 2016. Cyberdemon also mentioned it in her article. https://youtu.be/jpeUzrfRrbs
[–]coolmattyGDQ Organizer 15 ポイント16 ポイント17 ポイント 12時間前 (8子コメント)
We'll look into this.
[–]mzxruleszeldaspeedruns.com 7 ポイント8 ポイント9 ポイント 8時間前 (4子コメント)
Another thing that I think should be considered:
[–]coolmattyGDQ Organizer 4 ポイント5 ポイント6 ポイント 8時間前 (3子コメント)
The latter is already in the rules as well, but we'll be making these rules even more explicit in the future.
[–]arkandji 4 ポイント5 ポイント6 ポイント 6時間前 (2子コメント)
Did you ever consider that this was merely an act of sarcastic humor rather than an actual political statement? I feel like the only people really bothered by this the whole time were GDQ staffers.
[–]coolmattyGDQ Organizer 10 ポイント11 ポイント12 ポイント 6時間前 (1子コメント)
Doesn't matter. As a charity event it is critical to avoid politics. It's not just a GDQ rule.
[–]arkandji 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 5時間前 (0子コメント)
I'd agree if you were holding a fundraiser banquette of some sorts. Not a video game marathon filled with memes where the main incentive (should be) is to have a good time.
[–]RepostThatShit 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 11時間前 (2子コメント)
Maybe you can ban that guy on the left. He didn't wear the hat, but you could lie that you have a screenshot of him wearing the hat.
[–]coolmattyGDQ Organizer 21 ポイント22 ポイント23 ポイント 10時間前 (1子コメント)
He doesn't look like he's having fun though. We only ban fun, remember?
[–]RepostThatShit 4 ポイント5 ポイント6 ポイント 10時間前 (0子コメント)
Mike Uyama only pays me not to remember.
[–]Bloggs24 5 ポイント6 ポイント7 ポイント 12時間前 (1子コメント)
As i replied to Cyberdemon, That person got lucky, these guys did not, that is just the way it is. 12 months has also passed making the hats a more or less controversial topic. Heres an extreme analogy for you, do you think a swastika was more or less controversial after the holocaust?
ADGQ has there rules, just because one person broke them and went unpunished doesnt mean you can break them and go unpunished.
[–]mynameiswrath 3 ポイント4 ポイント5 ポイント 11時間前 (0子コメント)
Yeah I'm just saying that it happened before.
[–]Cyberdemon531akind of a big deal -3 ポイント-2 ポイント-1 ポイント 13時間前 (19子コメント)
I dont even like trump, i voted for jill stein. Also if you think wearing a hat should lead to people harassing you then you're a psychopath. Read the entire post before making a comment.
[–]atomheartsmother 20 ポイント21 ポイント22 ポイント 13時間前 (17子コメント)
I dont even like trump
So you're basically admitting you just brought and passed around the hats to stir up drama?
[–]Cyberdemon531akind of a big deal -3 ポイント-2 ポイント-1 ポイント 13時間前 (16子コメント)
Did you read the post? The entire situation was explained there. Stop being dense.
[–]parliboy 16 ポイント17 ポイント18 ポイント 12時間前 (12子コメント)
Aaaaand this is why people are predisposed to dislike you (and by extension disbelieve you). Please heed your own words.
[–]Cyberdemon531akind of a big deal 3 ポイント4 ポイント5 ポイント 11時間前 (11子コメント)
Why? Because someone libeled me and I corrected them?
[–]parliboy 16 ポイント17 ポイント18 ポイント 9時間前 (10子コメント)
No, you didn't correct them. You asked them if they read your really, really long tumblr post. Then you told them to stop being dense. This is not the same thing.
If you are convinced it's the same thing, then it speaks to you, not to everyone else. If you're just trolling everyone again, then it also speaks to you, not to everyone else.
[–]Cyberdemon531akind of a big deal 5 ポイント6 ポイント7 ポイント 9時間前 (9子コメント)
Why would you comment on something without reading the material? I'm genuinely curious.
[–]parliboy 14 ポイント15 ポイント16 ポイント 9時間前 (8子コメント)
No. You're not asking the question out of curiosity. You're asking it because your line of attack was shut down when I pointed out that you lied (again), and now you're trying to open another one.
[–]Cyberdemon531akind of a big deal 4 ポイント5 ポイント6 ポイント 9時間前 (7子コメント)
When have I lied about anything? Also, who are you to tell me what my own intentions are?
[–]ImNotAtWorkTrustMe 9 ポイント10 ポイント11 ポイント 12時間前 (2子コメント)
You can't argue with the rules of an event after you broke one and were kicked out because of it. People obviously shouldn't have harassed you, but you should have been removed from the event for breaking a rule after being told you were on a zero tolerance policy.
It's like speeding, getting a speeding ticket, and then saying "if you think going too fast in a car should lead to people harassing you then you're a psychopath."
If you have social anxiety and want people to treat you better, start by acting the part and treating people nicely.
[–]Cyberdemon531akind of a big deal 9 ポイント10 ポイント11 ポイント 12時間前 (1子コメント)
I was on Zero Tolerance for no reason, other than personal vendettas. Wearing a hat isn't against the rules, and cannot damage GDQ/PCF in any capacity. The same thing occurred during AGDQ2016 with no warning or punishment
[–]ImNotAtWorkTrustMe 14 ポイント15 ポイント16 ポイント 11時間前 (0子コメント)
So what do you think the "personal vendetta" against you was for? Because you're trans? Do you think the GDQ staff don't like trans people?
They just said they would look into the AGDQ2016 situation.
If you got pulled over for speeding and told the officer "but I've seen people speed before and they didn't get pulled over" how do you think that would go?
Wearing a hat with a political / polarizing subject IS against the rules, which I linked in another reply. Perhaps brush up on them before attending another GDQ.
[–]Bloggs24 8 ポイント9 ポイント10 ポイント 12時間前 (0子コメント)
I dont care who you support. I read the entire thing, I also read the other post about it. AGDQ does not allow political discourse, the hats weren't on when the run started, they were snuck into the event, someone obviously knew they were doing something wrong. As far as I am concerned you're all guilty by association, including the runner.
You didnt get banned for wearing a hat, you were banned for wearing a MAGA hat. Its a political message, and it's controversial due to the candidate, would you think its okay or funny to wear a Swastika hat?.. As for your excuse that someone wore one last year... he got lucky, you did not, that is just the way it is.
[–]purz 27 ポイント28 ポイント29 ポイント 11時間前 (2子コメント)
Literally the worst type of person. Hey I'm gonna stir up drama every where then play the victim card when it all comes back around to kick me in the ass. Own up to your bullshit and get some social awareness. You can't even own up to breaking the no political attire rule. Who knows what you idiots were doing in the LAN room. Probably being fuckin shit heads.
Cute SOB story though, oh no the big bad gdq staff came and yelled at you! boohoo. Pulling someones badge! omg physical harassment! terrifying! Grow up and go outside. Hilarious you'd call someone else dense.
Hey they just told me I'm on a zero tolerance policy! Time to do something controversal!!
look at this post. The zero tolerance was on false basis. https://www.reddit.com/r/speedrun/comments/5n0zpc/dear_agdq_please_step_up_your_game/dcb2xf0/
Whether it was on false basis or not is irrelevant to this comment.
[–]TheOfficialAsshole 20 ポイント21 ポイント22 ポイント 12時間前 (2子コメント)
Reminder that Cyberdemon has a community of devoted nuthuggers who will blindly back him up in any scenario no matter how much he is at fault.
[–]Lomfillo 7 ポイント8 ポイント9 ポイント 7時間前 (0子コメント)
There's a solid amount of nuthuggers here to that go out of their way to talk shit yet were never at any event w/ him. At least then they would actually have some validity to their statements
[–]trucane -1 ポイント0 ポイント1 ポイント 2時間前 (0子コメント)
You mean like the ones defending GDQ blindly?
[–]xBlured 12 ポイント13 ポイント14 ポイント 12時間前 (14子コメント)
Another minor tangent, I understand that I say a lot of shit on the net, and I do like to spark drama out of nonsense because it keeps me interested in things. However, personally, I don’t think ANY of this behavior is acceptable in a real-life scenario. Holding a grudge against people for years over a meme on the internet is just fucking stupid.
Complete bullshit.
Also, under their harassment policy it states that you are not allowed to harass people when it comes to gender identity. As it’s been stated on my twitter for over a year, I’d prefer to identify as female, and while GDQ staff was yelling at us, they reffered to me by male pronouns several dozen times.
This sucks a lot, but not everybody knows you and your story can't blame them for that.
[–]coolmattyGDQ Organizer 33 ポイント34 ポイント35 ポイント 12時間前 (0子コメント)
I will note that I cannot recall any instance where she tried to inform or correct anyone on staff about this at the event. I apologise for this misgendering. A Twitter bio is not a means of informing staff like this. We have several trans folks at our event, most of them contact us beforehand or talk to staff at check in about it to avoid exactly this.
[–]Cyberdemon531akind of a big deal -1 ポイント0 ポイント1 ポイント 12時間前 (12子コメント)
How is that "complete bullshit"? Also, their entire reason for putting me on zero tolerance was because they look at my twitter. If they looked at my twitter even once, they would know what I prefer.
[–]xBlured 24 ポイント25 ポイント26 ポイント 12時間前 (11子コメント)
If you say something on twitter or on stream or whatever which i don't like, i am in my complete right to dislike you in real life.
It's not like because it's on the internet it magically didn't happen.
[–]Cyberdemon531akind of a big deal -1 ポイント0 ポイント1 ポイント 12時間前 (10子コメント)
disliking is one thing, screaming at people in public for a lengthy amount of time is another. I dislike many people, but I would never put them through a situation like that based on disliking alone. That's uncivil.
[–]ImNotAtWorkTrustMe 16 ポイント17 ポイント18 ポイント 12時間前 (9子コメント)
That's uncivil.
So is your behavior on Twitter.
[–]Cyberdemon531akind of a big deal 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 11時間前 (8子コメント)
There's a difference between attacking people in real life and memes on the internet. You can block anyone online, but you cannot in real life. Also, to claim that my twitter is "uncivil" doesn't really mean anything, given the fact that you provided no examples of it being so.
[–]spoffman7 14 ポイント15 ポイント16 ポイント 10時間前* (1子コメント)
There's a difference between attacking people in real life and memes on the internet.
No there isn't. You're typing real things that real people can read, and those real people are going to make real assumptions about the type of person you are.
Also, it's funny that you say that people can just block you online, but here you're throwing a hissy fit when you get banned from attending an event. It's almost like your words and actions have consequences regardless of where you say/do them. Funny, huh?
It's obvious that you didn't read my blog post. My main issue is how they handled the ban. I'd recommend reading what I write before attacking my character.
[–]cwc0202 13 ポイント14 ポイント15 ポイント 11時間前 (5子コメント)
Tell that to the parents of children who have committed suicide over cyber bullying. It's wrong in real life and wrong on the internet.
[–]Cyberdemon531akind of a big deal 3 ポイント4 ポイント5 ポイント 10時間前 (4子コメント)
I've never "cyber-bullied" people in my life, so I don't see how that is relevant. In fact, one could argue that reddit hivemind constantly attacking me and condoning abuse toward me is cyber-bullying.
Also, it doesn't change the fact that you can block people. If someone commits suicide, they have an underlying issue that is separate from "cyber-bullying" (like depression, anxiety, etc) that is moreso responsible. I do not condone bullying individuals in any way, either.
[–]ImNotAtWorkTrustMe 11 ポイント12 ポイント13 ポイント 8時間前 (3子コメント)
Have you ever stopped... just for one moment... to think why people "constantly attack you"?
If someone constantly acts like an asshole, is acting like an asshole back to them a reasonable response? I believe so.
[–]Cyberdemon531akind of a big deal 3 ポイント4 ポイント5 ポイント 7時間前 (2子コメント)
People in general have a hard time separating emotion and logic, which is why people generally hate me.
[–]dragon_gard 7 ポイント8 ポイント9 ポイント 7時間前 (0子コメント)
reminder coolmatty has still not answered my question, which rests upon the entire basis for this ban. https://www.reddit.com/r/speedrun/comments/5n0zpc/dear_agdq_please_step_up_your_game/dcb2xf0/
Which leads me to believe they were banned for personal reasons rather than professional.
[–]zSplat 7 ポイント8 ポイント9 ポイント 12時間前* (4子コメント)
*Removed question asking if gender in title was a typo"
EDIT: Alright I read it, none of my opinions change sounds like justice served to someone with 0 social awareness
[–]Cyberdemon531akind of a big deal 5 ポイント6 ポイント7 ポイント 12時間前 (3子コメント)
So you admit that harassing and yelling at someone with a social disability is acceptable behavior? Good to know.
[–]zSplat 23 ポイント24 ポイント25 ポイント 12時間前 (2子コメント)
Didnt you say yourself in your blog-post that how I act on the internet should have no bearing in the real world? Why are you being a hypocrite and harassing me?
[–]Cyberdemon531akind of a big deal 3 ポイント4 ポイント5 ポイント 12時間前 (1子コメント)
How am I harassing you? I'm asking you a question.
[–]TheOfficialAsshole 22 ポイント23 ポイント24 ポイント 11時間前 (0子コメント)
I'm sure plenty of the people that were harassing you were just asking questions too.
[–]the_myriad_truthsWIADAS, IHNMAIMS 4 ポイント5 ポイント6 ポイント 7時間前 (0子コメント)
i don't really know how i personally net out in the 'which was more in the wrong' calculus here but what I do know is that a charitable organization that has pulled in 10 million dollars in ~6 years should be held to a higher standard of conduct and professionalism than an individual shitposter and it doesn't seem like that's really happening here
[–]Ozarhok 3 ポイント4 ポイント5 ポイント 5時間前 (1子コメント)
It's pathetic that all of Cyberdemon's posts are being downvoted regardless of what she posts, it shows that no one here cares about having an actual discussion and instead want to jump on the bandwagon of hating a "4chan troll"
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[–]coolmattyGDQ Organizer 18 ポイント19 ポイント20 ポイント 13時間前 (0子コメント)
Note that this person is NOT GDQ STAFF and does not have information on the enforcement situation.
[–]VPLumbergh -3 ポイント-2 ポイント-1 ポイント 12時間前 (5子コメント)
Being surrounded by several big, tall, scary looking dudes and being yelled at for half an hour while dozens, if not hundreds of people stand around and watch is fucking horrifying. This was done very poorly by the staff, and they have no regard for us as humans, based on this encounter. They see us as pests and they very honestly do not care about our feelings or us at all. This was legitimately verbal assault from all angles and should have been handled better. If something like this needs to happen, do it in a private room, where no one can be involved besides the key people. Because of this situation I had a few anxiety/panic attacks at random points during the week and felt extremely upset for several hours at a time. I also had trouble sleeping often and just generally felt uncomfortable for, at least, the first 5-6 days of the event.
Yea I started to feel bad for demon but then realized he/she got into this mess by supporting a guy who wants to torture people, deport kids, "kill the families" of terrorists, etc.
[–]Cyberdemon531akind of a big deal 10 ポイント11 ポイント12 ポイント 12時間前 (4子コメント)
I voted for Jill Stein, and have never supported Trump in any capacity.
[–]Atroveon 17 ポイント18 ポイント19 ポイント 12時間前 (3子コメント)
To be fair, wearing his hat in front of 150k people that was the symbol of his campaign shows support for him whether that is your intention or not. No one watching would randomly decide it was for comedic purposes with no context.
[–]Cyberdemon531akind of a big deal 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 12時間前 (2子コメント)
Actually, most people didn't know what the hats said since the text wasn't legible on stream, and most people who knew or found out afterward thought it was funny. Here's the thing, if I wasn't banned, no one would have known about this incident (like with AGDQ2016's maga incident), and it would have just been forgotten. However, AGDQ staff decided to make it into a big deal for no reason, and escalate a non-issue into a massive issue.
[–]JoshuaSattan 19 ポイント20 ポイント21 ポイント 11時間前 (1子コメント)
red hat, white letters, been featured in many memes for the past year.
yeah, people didnt know what it said. right.
keep in mind there were black and white hats as well, and MAGA is a popular parody hat. It could have said anything. Either way, that doesn't excuse their actions against me.
[+]matt13lololClassic スコアが基準値未満のコメント-6 ポイント-5 ポイント-4 ポイント 13時間前 (21子コメント)
I actually read through it when it was posted on twitter and I hate how because these people are some sort of low-tier staff for GDQ they think they can make decisions to ban/remove people based on their own thoughts/opinions on people (Klaige looked for anything he could twist into a discrepancy to use against both Cyber and Cinnamon). The bans were completely unjustified anybody who disagrees is in denial. Hope Cyber is feeling better now. God bless!
[–]coolmattyGDQ Organizer 24 ポイント25 ポイント26 ポイント 13時間前 (20子コメント)
None of the enforcement actions were the result of any specific staff member and was agreed upon by several staff, both enforcement and not. This is common for non-safety enforcement bans. To reiterate, Klaige was not the final decision maker.
[–]chekwob 4 ポイント5 ポイント6 ポイント 12時間前 (3子コメント)
I thought policy was to not discuss any enforcement with those outside GDQ staff? Or does this rule not apply to GDQ Internet Defence Force agents?
[–]coolmattyGDQ Organizer 15 ポイント16 ポイント17 ポイント 11時間前 (2子コメント)
I made that statement with full intention of removing the misconception that enforcement staff acts on their own in situations like these. It's not exclusive to this situation.
[–]Valkskorn 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 6時間前 (1子コメント)
It certainly doesn't help that the head of your safety staff will block anyone who so much as questions or tags him on Twitter.
I'm not saying he should engage in arguments with people who're just looking to start shit, but he immediately goes for the block button regardless of situation.
It's hardly professional for someone in a position of authority to refuse to entertain any discourse, even if it's presented civilly.
[–]coolmattyGDQ Organizer 8 ポイント9 ポイント10 ポイント 6時間前 (0子コメント)
It's his personal account, we don't manage staff personal accounts. His Twitter is not for discussing GDQ enforcement issues.
[–]PvtCbDoshin, DMC, Shock 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 7時間前 (9子コメント)
So you're saying that with zero evidence against me, you decided (as a group) to ban me, then lie about having evidence?
https://youtu.be/KsK-duXi5CM?t=31s
[–]coolmattyGDQ Organizer 9 ポイント10 ポイント11 ポイント 6時間前 (8子コメント)
We told you this in person, but since you want it addressed publicly: the screenshot we had seemed to show you wearing the hat and the ban was issued. We then went back in the vod to determine who else also wore the hats that we may have missed, and discovered it was the person behind you, not you. We were reviewing the whole vod from start to finish before you even left the room.
Had that been all you would have had your ban reversed.
[–]PvtCbDoshin, DMC, Shock 4 ポイント5 ポイント6 ポイント 6時間前 (1子コメント)
Also, while we're on the subject of addressing things publicly, can you publicly state what I was banned for? My memory seems to be a bit fuzzy.
[–]coolmattyGDQ Organizer 13 ポイント14 ポイント15 ポイント 6時間前 (0子コメント)
You were banned for unplugging a power strip with world 9 PC's running on it in the LAN room.
[–]PvtCbDoshin, DMC, Shock 3 ポイント4 ポイント5 ポイント 6時間前 (5子コメント)
You didn't tell me any of this, and you didn't show me any screenshot or tell me the details of it. You simply said you had a screenshot. You're also admitting that you decided to ban me with evidence that was easily overturned upon a cursory review. Again, more evidence of bias against me?
This is exactly why I'm frustrated with you coolmatty. You're making up facts to suit the situation. Unlike you, I have proof and evidence.
[–]coolmattyGDQ Organizer 9 ポイント10 ポイント11 ポイント 6時間前 (4子コメント)
What I don't get, is why you're so obsessed with trying to prove its a bias? Our personal dislikes of someone aren't making a difference here. You got a run in the event anyway. I could have easily made an executive decision to block that run. I didn't, because I wanted to give you that chance. You behaved last year just fine! So what happened to you since last year?? You were told with your warning this event, if you stayed out of trouble, you wouldn't even be on the warning list anymore.
Think about it long and hard next time. I know you're pissed and trying to find anything you can to shame the staff. I can understand being angry. But being angry isn't going to make this go away. It's just going to drive you nuts. It ain't worth it.
[–]PvtCbDoshin, DMC, Shock 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 6時間前 (0子コメント)
I guess I fell for the classic trouble pitfall of not doing anything wrong. My mistake. I will reflect on my actions.
[–]TombaHat 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 4時間前 (1子コメント)
Hmmm still don't see any proof that he unplugged a power strip Matty, all I need is proof that he did that and I'll take your word for it, otherwise it looks like you're just on a powertrip like Klaige. I don't see why it's so hard to produce this evidence you claim to have :C
[–]coolmattyGDQ Organizer 7 ポイント8 ポイント9 ポイント 3時間前 (0子コメント)
A World9 staffer saw him do it. Given they didn't even know who he was prior, any sort of claim on bias makes no sense.
[–]dragon_gard -2 ポイント-1 ポイント0 ポイント 4時間前 (0子コメント)
So do you admit to you or some of your staff having a personal dislike of pvtcb?
[+]matt13lololClassic スコアが基準値未満のコメント-7 ポイント-6 ポイント-5 ポイント 13時間前 (5子コメント)
So you're saying several staff members chose to fuck over some guys out of their vacation which they paid for over a decision that a group of staff didnt like them? Because that what it seems like...
[–]coolmattyGDQ Organizer 22 ポイント23 ポイント24 ポイント 12時間前 (3子コメント)
If that's all we were going for, we sure as hell wouldn't have let them on stage or have a run in the marathon.
[–]Kicking222 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 12時間前 (2子コメント)
Why DO you let them on stage or have a run? You're well aware of what a shit-stirring asshole Cyberdemon is. If you don't want drama, don't let them into the event.
[–]coolmattyGDQ Organizer 21 ポイント22 ポイント23 ポイント 12時間前 (1子コメント)
Some people don't keep acting up. We've had people on final warning clean up their act and are actually pretty well liked by the staff these days.
[–]Kicking222 [スコア非表示] 7分前 (0子コメント)
I can completely respect that, and with that said, I hope this was the final straw for Cyberdemon.
[–]ImNotAtWorkTrustMe 14 ポイント15 ポイント16 ポイント 12時間前 (0子コメント)
No one was fucked over unjustifiably. The GDQ staff would have NO REASON to fuck over people who were playing by the rules. Think about it, what reason would they have to kick out some attendees that were following the rules?
Occam's razor says that Cyberdemon and friends probably were joking/trolling around and broke a rule after they were told they were on a zero tolerance policy.
[–]blacknoise_EGGy -1 ポイント0 ポイント1 ポイント 3時間前 (0子コメント)
Seems like this was just handled poorly by both parties.
It was obvious that the one intimidating guy had previous beef with Pvtcb when he said they had evidence that he had the hat on, when he clearly didn't (and of course from the VOD, found no actual evidence) He just wanted to act like he had some kind of power over him. It wouldn't be surprising if he and some of the other GDQ staff basically camped out this guy all week waiting for him to make one wrong move.
As for all the screaming and yelling stuff, that would've definitely been vlog worthy material, or at least just used to showcase what the GDQ staff is actually like (provided that the harassment actually happened) But the intimidating dudes probably could've just snatched the camera and broke it and swept the whole situation under the rug. To handle a situation like that in a public setting and not handled in a private room between 3-4 people is absurd, and definitely the start of any WSHH video.
As for the other visitors leaving notes outside your hotel though ... LOL. Surprise. Twitch trolls exist outside of Twitch, posing as functioning humans.
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