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Hey, It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia, Maybe Don't Joke About Black Kids Getting Shot (self.GamerGhazi)

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[–]IShillForSocialism 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I feel like not joking about sensitive issues is a very American phenomenon

[–]guysmiley00 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not joking about them is just another way of not talking about them. It's a symptom of repression, not sensitivity.

[–]BZenMojo 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The nore I hear non-Americans say this, the more I wonder if being able to discern between what is and is not a horribly tasteless joke about sensitive issues is a purely American phenomenon. Maybe you just need to wade waist deep in the shit for an extended period of time to develop that particular sense.

[–]menandskyla 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (4子コメント)

every network should hire an Executive Vice President of You Can't Do a Police Shooting Episode, whose only job is to say no to people with bad ideas for police shooting episodes. this one sounds real bad, the scandal one was fucking stupid.

[–]IllCaesar 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Hey, at least its coming from a show you'd actually expect this sort of thing from and not just something that came out of nowhere.

[–]menandskyla 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Scandal? they used a police shooting as a setting and didnt do any justice to the reality of the situation

[–]IllCaesar 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I meant for Its Always Sunny. South Park did it too. I would also expect SVU to do it because SVU is just shamelessly exploitative like that. My point was that its definitely more jarring when something like this happens on a show that you don't expect it on. Its like if Agents of SHIELD did a shooting riffing on the Pulse shooting in Orlando or if Powerpuff Girls did a something about the Ferguson riots. I don't watch Scandal but from what I know about the show I couldn't imagine that show possibly ever doing the subject matter justice.

[–]Ayasugi-san 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

They can't, they already blew that VP's salary on the latest police procedural.

[–]nintendorf 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Depicting a black child being murdered by police on a comedy show is too much, I get that, but I don't understand why this episode would be this writer's breaking point for Always Sunny. At least in this case the white characters are explicitly the butt of the joke. By all appearances it was an attempt to depict systemic injustice and white indifference to it, however callously.

But then there's shit like repeatedly putting Mac in black face solely for shock value. There's no satirical point being made when they do that, it's just shitty edgelord humor. And their treatment of trans people has been downright disgraceful. This episode was Sunny on a good day.

[–]SeeJayC 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (4子コメント)

I might not remember some things too well, but I'm not sure their depiction of trans people was THAT bad...

If you're talking about Carmen, she's depicted the same way any other woman would be (just with that gag that she has a bulge in her pants), and I felt that Mac and the Gang were depicted as bad people in this situation. Not to mention that Carmen eventually gets happily married with a child while the Gang is still stuck in their old shitty lives as usual.

EDIT: I should add that I'm a big fan of the show, and the shooting in that episode is the first time it made me uncomfortable, mainly due to the sheer violent imagery of it hitting too close to home.

[–]Pflytrap"Three hundred gamers felled by your gun." 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, I mean, the most problematic thing you can really say about Carmen is that she isn't played an actual trans actress; but even then, the fact that they have a woman playing a transwoman instead of a man in drag (like in most other mainstream works featuring trans characters, cough cough Danish Girl cough cough), and have been doing so since their first season, is pretty phenomenal.

[–]guysmiley00 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (2子コメント)

and the shooting in that episode is the first time it made me uncomfortable, mainly due to the sheer violent imagery of it hitting too close to home.

Good? It seems to me that that was very clearly the point. It's one thing to hear about a black kid getting gunned down by police; it's another to see it, up-close and personal.

Sunny's writers are pretty insightful - they don't throw this stuff in without a purpose. And if more people are shocked into getting up off their couch and doing something about police accountability, then I don't really care what it took to make that happen. Nothing's more shameful than the fact that dozens if not hundreds of unjustifiable shootings apparently elicited little more than a yawn from the (white) American public.

[–]SeeJayC 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

You're absolutely right, but I could see why many individuals who have already seen these types of incidents up-close and personal may not see it that way and will view it in poor taste.

[–]guysmiley00 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fair enough, but: a) they're not the people who need to be reached on the issue (one would hope, anyway), and; b) if you start limiting TV shows to situations that have never affected anyone traumatically, the new season of anything's going to be a lot of static.

I certainly sympathize with those who found it shocking, but I would hope they would understand the larger issue being addressed and not seek to undermine the cause for the sake of their personal comfort. And, again, this is Sunny we're talking about. People being shot (of which this is admittedly an extreme example) happens, like, every other episode. Sunny didn't just go from Downton Abbey to the Wire in the space of a few seconds.

[–]BZenMojo 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

White perspectives are a part of the joke. BUT so are black bodies. Drilling deep into intent with complete disregard to the actual story is weak sauce thinking.

[–]TheAmazingChinchillaA husk filled with bitterness and malice -5 ポイント-4 ポイント  (29子コメント)

Trash show produces garbage? Well you don't say.

[–]republicannarnia 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (28子コメント)

Trash show is a little much.

[–]CaelrieNew Mod, Same Great Oppression! 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (25子コメント)

It's pretty trash. They manage to be offensive to minority groups across the board.

[–]republicannarnia 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (8子コメント)

It won the people's choice awards for 2016 and besides that the author of the article even said she liked the show.

[–]CaelrieNew Mod, Same Great Oppression! 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (7子コメント)

It won the people's choice awards

So did Beauty and the Beast. Low bar indeed.

[–]republicannarnia 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (6子コメント)

The writer of the article said it inspired her to be a tv writer.

[–]CaelrieNew Mod, Same Great Oppression! 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (5子コメント)

That's nifty and all, but it still doesn't change that it's a pretty shitlordy show that trafficks in offending minority groups.

[–]republicannarnia 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It looks we aren't going to convince each other of anything so I'm just going to disengage.

[–]menandskyla 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

it's a weird show in that they absolutely do the things you've said, but it seems like the creators mean well. (not a justification)

I think Tina Fey has the same rule: It's okay to be problematic if you're funny. and that's not really a good excuse.

[–]CaelrieNew Mod, Same Great Oppression! 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Amy Schumer is like that, too.

[–]BZenMojo -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Tina Fey is kind of a slutshaming condescending racist asshat.

[–]menandskyla 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

yeah, she's the go-to example of a white feminist

[–]guysmiley00 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (15子コメント)

Would you condemn "All in the Family" on the same basis?

[–]CaelrieNew Mod, Same Great Oppression! 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (14子コメント)

All In the Family was meant to be satire. Always Sunny is just shitlordy.

[–]guysmiley00 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (13子コメント)

Can you kindly explain the criteria you're using to decide which is which?

[–]CaelrieNew Mod, Same Great Oppression! 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (12子コメント)

Satire is when the writers know it's offensive and they're actually making jabs at the offenders, having a lot to say about the subject.

Shitlording is being offensive just because they think it's funny.

[–]guysmiley00 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (11子コメント)

It's usually pretty easy to separate "shitlording" from satire - the former celebrates offence and offenders, the latter denigrates them.

What part of Sunny do you see as being celebratory, rather than condemning, of the offensive main characters and their offensive actions?

[–]CaelrieNew Mod, Same Great Oppression! 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (10子コメント)

Their portrayal of trans women, for one.

[–]guysmiley00 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (9子コメント)

The part where the trans woman was happy, well-adjusted, and part of a loving family, and where the Gang continued to live in squalor and bicker endlessly as a result of their own insecure, petty worldview?

Which part did you have a problem with?

[–]TheAmazingChinchillaA husk filled with bitterness and malice 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

No, it's intended to be trash. All the characters are written to be trash as if trash is funny. Well guess what, the idea that everyone is a horrible person isn't funny.

[–]republicannarnia 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well, all I can say is that's like your opinion man.