I'm pretty sure I made a mistake not filtering out /r/news from my front page. While the post itself isn't terrible, it does lead to some... interesting discussion. Not all the comments are terrible, but I guess there's something about Milo that brings out the best in people
This is exactly what Milo seems to want.
I don't understand why more people don't get this. When you violently shut down people like that, it just plays into their narrative. The left rarely seems to act in its own self interest.
I love this argument. Let the racists, sexists, xenophobes have a platform to speak. Nothing says freedom if it allows me to constantly harass the less privileged. Oh, you don't want me to say those things? CENSORSHIP!
Sometimes I wish I could live in a world where my worldview was dictated by South Park libertarian logic. Where the best course of action is inaction, the truth is in the middle, and so on and so on.
I'm surprised that going through the thread I never saw the "I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it" quote. I don't see the appeal of living in a world where hate speech is everywhere but I just have to ignore it because of a fear that things would be a lot worse if we stopped them from speaking.
I saw Kat Blaque say something once (or maybe she was quoting someone) about how it's easy to be a conservative because you don't have to question your world view and just accept things the way they are whereas someone of the left has to constantly work against ingrained social norms. I see some of this mirrored in the second comment, the "Oh, don't protest, it only hurts your political message!" attitude. I guess it would be better if these people just went on the internet and posted memes instead.
Some guy then makes a long-winded speech about how both the LA Times and Breitbart reports were factual and don't contradict each other, rather they were just biased. He then ends this with the overly dramatic
Noone heard the speech, and free speech lost.
Breitbart's quote doesn't contradict the quote from LA Times, but Milo's quote does.
"My event at UC Davis tonight has been cancelled after violence from left-wing protestors. There are reports of hammers, smashed windows and barricades being torn away. The campus police can't guarantee anyone's safety so I'm not being allowed anywhere near the building. Stay safe, everyone."
LA Times says there was no violence, Milo says the event was cancelled after violence.
That quote doesn't contradict it. Reports of violence can happen without the police reporting any violence. In fact, police likely wouldn't register any of those acts as violent. Your mistake is reading the first two sentences with the last one to mean the police are saying this, while they're actually separate ideas.
Firstly, what the fuck? I'm pretty sure not giving him a platform to speak is not legally persecuting him for what he says. I guess we should be inviting a bunch of other hate groups to speak at universities as well. Westboro, Anti-LGBT groups, Holocaust deniers, David Duke, Neo-Nazis (sorry, Alt-Right)? I guess the reddit ideology would be okay with those last three though.
That first post is actually hilarious. With the inclusion of that last sentence, you can tell he takes himself waaaay to seriously. It's like he's ending his comment with a profound "This is how liberty dies, with a thunderous applause". Now before you make fun of me for the obvious irony, I acknowledge the writing an essay on CB is probably more of a ridiculous thing to do, but as a SJW it's what I'm programmed to do.
As for the following comments, I was probably going to say something kinda witty about them but I can't remember what it was. I'll just leave them up for you to fill in the blanks.
The Alt right vs. the Ctrl left.
I think I'm starting to sound like a broken record. Not giving someone a platform to speak is not taking away their freedom of speech.
"Maybe we should treat trans people with respect rather than harassing them" gets responded with "STOP CENSORING MY THOUGHTS"
"The European race is the most superior race and all others are sub-human" gets responded with "He's just telling it like it is"
As you can see in this strawman, both sides are equally bad.
This should be shameful. They should be able to protest what the man says however canceling his speech is no good. Especially at a university where ideas are meant to be shared and discussed
Le dangerous precedent. Maybe it's because some ideas don't deserve to be given a large platform.
Dude needs a shorter last name.
Das raisis.
I'm starting to lose interest.
The most important type of speech is unpopular speech.
Yea, I guess nothing says importance like blaming the International Jewery, denying Holocausts, claiming that the white race is superior to all others, bashing trans people, and ethics in video games.
Maybe some people just don't want their lives filled with hate speech but I guess speeching out against it makes me Orwell's nightmare.
*I support free speech - unless I disagree with what you say.
*I'm all for tolerance - for people and opinions that I deem okay.
*Freedom is great - for me and not those I hate.
*I love this country and everyone in it - when my candidate wins.
Someone replied with the Wikipedia article for the tolerance paradox. Basically, the paradox is that if you speak out against intolerance you are being intolerant yourself. The article also goes into a discussion around Popper's work where he concludes that "We should therefore claim, in the name of tolerance, the right not to tolerate the intolerant".
I feel like I just rambled on in a semi-coherent word salad, but hopefully you guys can make some sense of it.
To end things, here's Milos thoughts on the event.
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