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submitted by perfect_infinity
I'm so confused.
Somehow when my wife says “I’m not good enough for you and I’ll never be good enough for you”, I’m speechless, I have no idea what to say. Is she right? Why can’t I just accept her unconditionally and it be enough?

RELATIONSHIP HISTORY:

I don’t know if you’ve seen the color code personality test, but I’m a RED, and she’s a BLUE. It makes it difficult to talk about things without getting out of control.
We know how to have a good time. We have an absolute blast together so much of the time and we have so much good going for our relationship. It keeps us grounded to each other. But I had doubts about dating her which turned into doubts about being engaged to her which turned into doubts about marrying her. The doubts were outweighed by how we fill in each others weaknesses. I'm strong where she is weak, and she is strong where I am weak. This is as awesome as it is contentious.
She had a pretty verbally/mentally abusive relationship with her mom who tried to control her, she ended up being a very rebellious high schooler. She started going to therapy on my recommendation when we were dating in college to solve things her family never talked about. She has been going for about 6 weeks each year for the past 3 years.
She is better off now than she was 6 months ago thanks to therapy & quitting her high stress job. She’s no longer depressed and she loves herself “for the first time since she was a kid". But even if she loves herself, somehow I still lack clarity in our relationship.
I went to therapy while we were dating because I was struggling with the idea of marrying her despite the somewhat mixed feelings I sometimes felt (some days I was head over heels, other days I wasn’t feeling it). Therapy helped me understand people can change and heal from old wounds, and not everyone has to be slim (She's struggles with weight & body image).
We ended up getting married because we enjoyed spending time with each other, we had similar interests, and we both had similar family backgrounds/religion. In the back of my mind I’ve always had doubts about our compatibility and it’s plagued our relationship from being the best it can be.

Relationship Points of Confusion:

  1. Her mom has untreated (possibly undiagnosed) Borderline Personality Disorder (I've read 5 books on the subject to wrap my head around my relationship with my wife & her relationship with her mom).
  2. My wife wants to be a mother to fulfill her purpose in life and she has been pressuring me to have kids since the day we got married. We decided to wait 2 years, and it's about to be here. But I'm still not sure if kids will be the answer to our very imperfect relationship. I know it will never be perfect, but, is it even good enough right now?
  3. I don't have Narcissistic Personality Disorder, I don't even come close, however I do have narcissistic tendencies which often leave my wife feeling my expectations of her are out of reach.
  4. I'm afraid of getting divorced. I read ALOT of books on how to be a good person since I don't think it's inherent in my nature to have a high Emotional Intelligence (EQ), I attempt to make up for it by learning what professional psychologists would do in certain situations. I take that information and do my best to apply it to my life & relationship, but sometimes where emotion is required, I use logic.
  5. My wife hates talking about deep subjects, has a short temper ( I don't think it's her fault, it's just hard wired into her), and seeks constantly for ways to laugh & entertain. She’s got a great personality, and is spontaneous, which is why I married her.
  6. I often talk as if I am right, until proven otherwise. Instead I need to be more compassionate. It’s not my strong-suit.
  7. I have a hard time seeing her spend countless hours each day on entertainment (social media/TV) while I feel like I have a good balance of work/play. She tells me she'll work so hard after she has kids and give them everything, which I'm sure is true, but until then, she has a really hard time following through with her goals. Sometimes if I try and help push her to reach the goals she tells me about, she gets easily frustrated and quits.
  8. We’ve been to individual therapy & couples therapy. I feel like I can be 100% honest in my own session, but if my wife is there, I can’t be open with my feelings because she wouldn’t be able to hear the reasons why I’m so ambivalent in our marriage without losing her cool and threatening divorce.
  9. I feel stuck and so far no book or therapy on leaving or staying in my relationship has given me the clarity I need.
  10. I've been practicing mindfulness but several times a week I'll say something stupid / offensive with no intention of harming her.

PROBLEM / CONCLUSION:

Will we both feel times of misery by my doubt of our relationship our whole lives? She feels like she’s never going to be good enough & will I always feel like I could have married someone smarter/prettier/less lazy/nicer/more patient? Ideally, I want to meet her needs & expectations, and I want her to meet mine.
I WANT SO BADLY TO NOT FEEL AMBIVALENT. BUT I DO.
Should we end this marriage which at times is not meeting her needs nor mine?
Is it possible somehow to rid myself of these feelings & fulfill her biggest need by having a baby with her and starting a family?
Perhaps she should be asking instead, "Will I ever be good enough for her?"
Thank you in advance.

tl;dr: When my wife says she’ll never be able to live up to my expectations of her, I wonder if it’s true. Without judging my feelings or hers, just describing it how it is, is there anything I can do to change my feelings and save our relationship?
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[–]jayyleebee [score hidden]  (2 children)
You're wife grew up feeling like she was never good enough and you come came along, realized that problem, proposed therapy to fix that problem, yet...you still make her feel like she's not good enough? I'm sorry, correct me if I'm wrong but that's what I took away from everything you wrote. You should have never married her with your doubts. The pros you have stated about your wife and your marriage should outweigh the cons. If you can't look past her flaws, support her emotions, and you continuously think you could've done better, then I don't know why you're still in this marriage.
[–]perfect_infinity[S] [score hidden]  (1 child)
Thank you for your feedback. I think I married her because the pros did outweigh the cons, though it certainly didn't come down to an itemized list. Often I think about what you said, I came along as the solution, yet continued the problem, so do I view my decision to marry her as 'wtf was I thinking?' Or do I think, 'I may have messed up but I can make it work now?' I don't always think I could have done better, but it is one of those things I have to work out. Do people leave marriages over issues like this? My problem is if I left, what if I would have been better of staying and making it work.
[–]jayyleebee [score hidden]  (0 children)
I think for it to work you will have to be a more sensitive and caring husband for your wife. Reading through your post again, it's clear that you and your wife are not compatible. And while you seem to see this incompatibility as something that's advantageous, it may not necessarily be a good thing. It's obvious that your wife is desperately in need of someone who's more reassuring and sensitive to the issues that she has. But you sound like the more realistic and blunt type and this may be the underlying issue. It's a hard dice to toss because you shouldn't have to completely change who you are because your wife has certain issues. But if you're willing to make it work then I would say more sensitivity, understanding, and assurance from your part will make a world of a difference. Maybe in the long run, this will aid her emotional recovery faster. Because you are having those 'what if' thoughts, please try to make it work until you 100% know that it won't. Because I believe it can work and it will.
[–]jpallan [score hidden]  (1 child)
Your wife needs to go into therapy and work on her understandable self-esteem and anger issues after growing up with a volatile and abusive parent.
Once she's established in individual therapy, a few months maybe, with a space to vent and express her concerns and feelings, you two need to enter couples therapy to discuss how to deal with her self-esteem issues and your ways of negotiating the relationship, e.g. lack of compassion, arguing longer not better, etc.
Your wife needs to not get pregnant until her marriage is stable. You can play a part in ensuring she doesn't get pregnant until the marriage is stable.
You married her, with doubts or without. You don't want to get divorced. Both of you need to come to certain levels of acceptance about one another's flaws and improve what you can in your own personalities. A good marriage is not some trophy that you can win after you try really hard to avoid being an asshole for a while. It is hard work and you don't get days off.
However, the rewards are enormous if you fix the problems in your marriage, so start taking the steps to do so.
[–]perfect_infinity[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)
I might have to quote you on that Trophy-asshole line. Thank you kindly. I don't know if more therapy will help, but it's definitely worth another shot.
[–]bananapancakez [score hidden]  (0 children)
She was young when you started dating and she had issues from her mother growing up. I don't think it's reasonable to expect that she is going to be a perfect, well rounded person with great communication skills. Part of being in a relationship is accepting your significant other for who they are, faults and all, and doing your best to be a caring and loving partner.
It's hard to gauge where the problems are without more specific examples. I think you are trying not to be too critical. Watching tv and being on social media is perfectly normal for a 23 year old woman. If she is unemployed and on Facebook all day, that is a problem. If she is unwinding after a long day at work with some Netflix, maybe let that go. For you, the part where you come off as "always right" probably worked when she was 20 and dating an older guy, but that gets super patronizing. Again, without more specific examples, I can't tell if you are minimizing what you are doing. How much are you working to change that part?
Definitely don't have children right now, but maybe give marriage counseling one more really good try, and see what you can do to make it work. You have to decide if this is worth it for the long haul. At the end of the day, you may have just grown out of each other and are just incompatible. If this marriage isn't for you, it's better to find out sooner rather than later so she can find someone that will love her unconditionally.
[–]Takes2-2Mango [score hidden]  (1 child)
Children will not fix this. Do NOT have kids until you are both stable in the marriage. If you cannot get stable, you need to separate.
Try marriage counseling again and be totally honest. If she freaks out and threatens divorce, good...the therapist needs to see she is manipulative and volatile.
[–]perfect_infinity[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)
Thanks. I agree, children will not fix this. She believes they will, I'm not sure how to tell her though because she vehemently believes children is the answer to her happiness. It's one of those topics that always is impossible to just talk about without hurt feelings.
[–]castikat [score hidden]  (1 child)
You should go to counseling individually and couples counseling together. It sounds like you have some issues that you haven't been able to work out by yourselves thus far and need some help figuring those out.
We can't tell you if you should be in this relationship or if it is "right" for the both of you. That's your own decision. There aren't any major red flags here that would cause anyone to say either one of you should run. But you do have some conflicts. No relationship is perfect but some things can't be reconciled and that's when a relationship tends to end. That's what therapy can help with: determining if you can work out your respective issues in the relationship or if you should cut your losses.
In the meantime: DO NOT HAVE CHILDREN. If you're even considering getting divorced, this is not the time to have a child. It's only going to make your relationship worse. Children are a huge source of stress, especially in those first few years, and you want to be in a good place in your relationship for that.
Be up front with your wife: "I'm having some concerns about our relationship lately and I think we should go to a couple's counselor to talk that out and make sure we're both on the same page/can work through that before moving forward with having children."
[–]perfect_infinity[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)
Great advice. Maybe if we are both more open and honest in therapy we can work things out that we can't work out by ourselves.
[–]washyourdishes [score hidden]  (0 children)
Try couple's therapy again. Be honest this time, even if you think your wife will react badly. The therapist will help both of you move forward in those moments.
Stick with it. Sometimes couple's therapy leads one or both people to realize that what they want is a divorce. That's okay too. A lot of times, people quit because it's not solving their problems, but part of the therapy is in better understanding the problems, how you feel about them, and what that ultimately means to you. So, if you feel like it's not working, don't quit. Because, often, it is working. It's just hard, unfun work.
Good luck. I hope you end up happier in the end.
Edit: a word
[–]harkandhush [score hidden]  (0 children)
Just wanted to chime in that if you seek out couple's counseling, do not seek religious counseling if your concern is that you are both mentally healthy and taken care of as a lot of religious counselors don't necessarily follow the same rules or ideas as a licensed secular counselor.
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