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I'm a Bad Person (self.rupaulsdragrace)

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I know that drag is about inclusiveness and openness to all, but am I the only one who can't help but feel a little annoyed at straight female obsessions with drag race? Everyone makes fun of white guys who try to be "gangsta," basically mocking them for trying to appropriate/participate in a culture that is not their own, and I can't help but feel somewhat possessive of drag as an LGBTQ+ expression of our own culture. I'm so glad that such a broad audience is enjoying Drag Race, don't get me wrong, but I feel like the fangirling might mainstream something that gets its power from being totally out of the norm.

I'd love to hear your opinions, and am open to viewpoints and arguments that could help me reshape my own perceptions.

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[–]cocellistTatianna 30 ポイント31 ポイント  (6子コメント)

It's that kind of thinking that would prevent drag queens from dressing up in wigs and makeup in the first place. One of the big messages of the show is to take down all sorts of barriers, because they prevent us from being ourselves. Your argument is a bit of a slippery slope and isn't fair when you're on a sub dedicated to and run by people who love this show. What I'm trying to say is, we (as gay men) don't own the show, and welcome everyone to enjoy the world of colour, dance, music, sex, and love that we opened up.

[–]LadySpectreX 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (1子コメント)

As long as being "mainstreamed" doesn't effect the quality or content of the show, I don't see what the problem. People can be into whatever they want, I would just hope that these straight fans have some degree of insight into how difficult it was to achieve a medium like this for the LGBTQ community, and how many problems still face it.

[–]TheOneDocAlaska Thunderfuck 5000 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

As long as being "mainstreamed" doesn't effect the quality or content of the show

Well that happened a couple of seasons ago when it stopped being a parody of reality TV and started to take itself serious :-(

People can be into whatever they want

agreed

I would just hope that these straight fans have some degree of insight into how difficult it was to achieve a medium like this for the LGBTQ community, and how many problems still face it.

I wouldn't limit this to the straights and the cis

[–]death4birthdayYou can go the hell u dont know me 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Appropriation is an act, people being fans of something isn't necessarily appropriation. I also don't think straight girls are mainstreaming anything, if anything the hobbies and interests of straight girls are seen as frivolous and are taken less seriously by mainstream culture.

There are definitely issues with straight girls invading LGBTQ spaces and acting entitled in a space that wasn't made for them, or with straight girls fetishizing gay men, specifically, as accessories to fill out their squad. Fetishization and fangirling may overlap in some cases, which may be what you're referring to? But I don't think there's anything wrong with straight people in general appreciating drag because it is an art form and art is meant for an audience.

[–]DruifsaftSasha Belle 👑🔔 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Without (straight) girls there wouldn't even be drag, maybe my thinking process is weird but I can't understand why we should complain about girls 'appropriating' LGBTQ+ culture when drag basicly is using female culture lol. And look at all the songs the girls use, it's mostly pop, done by straight females..

[–]Puysegur 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (0子コメント)

To ask and fight for acceptance then shun our allies, I feel, is hugely detrimental.

[–]emmadonohoe 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I can't with this. Lets fight for acceptance for years and then as people begin to welcome us with open arms we should be telling them to fuck off cos our culture isnt their culture.

I mean, i hate hen parties at gay bars as much as the next person, but yeah, no.

[–]LondonFishAcid Snakey 💊🐍 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hmm. Well I'm a straight female and I love drag and RPDR. The majority of my friends are gay men because I have worked in the arts for years. Gay clubs are the only type of clubs that I feel comfortable and free form harassment in. I grew up watching Queer as Folk. I LOVE the LGBTQ+ community, even if I'm not part of it, and wouldn't stand for any harassment of it.

Apart from that, I fully appreciate how difficult it has been to come to this point of freedom of expression and to be able to get recognition for that type of art. It would absolutely devastate me if someone decided that I'm banned from gay spaces and could no longer see drag shows. Those are my friends, that's where I feel safe and free to be myself. I draw a lot of inspiration from drag and a lot of confidence to own my femininity. Also it's really damn entertaining and fun!

This is all I have to tipsily say about that. Sorry if it's gibberish.

[–]FieryFaciasGia Gunn, AS3 winner 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I believe everyone should have the right to be, love, wear, impersonate and fangirl about anything they want to. I've had it officially with the race/gender/queerness appropriating bullshit. If I wanna be a hairy purple masc4masc horse who wears dreadlocks and eat mexican food, then fuck yall who wanna take it away from me.

Art is art. Art is what you feel. Feelings arent real. My point is that we need to realize and appreciate our freedom of speech and of being and loving whatever we want. Putting everything in categories does NOT help anyone. Lets all play with all colors of the crayon box.

[–]NotNaomiSmallsI dream to be a nail tech. or mayyyybeee even a rocket scientist 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think straight girls are like allies for this show. They should know that this is a LGBTQ+ community and be respectful of it. If someones voice needs to be heard regarding this show, it is from the LGBTQ+ community and not them. Butttttttt us gays are fabulous and straight people should witness how great we are! I have no problem with them loving drag race as long as they realize they are the ally watching it and shouldn't expect it to be catered to them.

[–]akialvamthwoorp 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You're not a bad person haha, I understood what you meant. (I'm a girl btw, not straight though). But try to look at it with a different perspective, like some people already explained it in the comments. I think it's only important the awareness that drag it's first of all a part of gay culture and it represents a lot, towards society, going against the dominant system and etc, so it's necessary to respect it. But I feel everyone can enjoy it. Drag is awesome, it's entertaining af and people can have a hundred reasons that make them like it. Besides, I feel that drag also carries a message of self love, acceptance and freedom, and that's for everybody.

[–]TheKingofHorror 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

All these labels being thrown around are so stupid. We are human beings that enjoy the art form of drag. That's it. Having to bring sexuality and gender into it is so backwards thinking.

[–]Loverofdance 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Something that I learned in a Mass Media class is: Everything from the margin moves towards the center.

[–]whatareblackhole 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I know it's Slate, but you may be interested in this!

[–]vlog40🎩 Kakao Mattress 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The difference is that white people didn't inspire the word 'gangsta' for use among black people, whereas drag owes a lot to gender movements and female empowerment. Drag is basically a big fuck you to toxic masculinity and women are just as much a part of the fight against it as queer men. '

[–]sandypassage 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm not a psychologist whatsoever (although the field does fascinate me greatly), but I'm sure one could expound on the link between your point and the trend of calling the queens "mom."

[–]WOWgurrrlAlaska Thunderfuck 5000 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's not just a trend between fans and queens tho

[–]ateoneHarpo, who dis woman? 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

While I may not agree with where you've chosen to direct your ire (straight women). I do understand what you're getting at I think. Subversiveness is part of the fun, so when something becomes mainstream and pillaged by the masses it loses it's importance. It's a fine line to walk between wanting widespread recognition and acceptance and maintaining the tenets of ones culture

[–]AnthoZeroKatya Zamolodchikova -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I agree with you. As great as being "out" and the gay community being publicized, being underground was way more fun

[–]AnthoZeroKatya Zamolodchikova -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I agree with you on some things and here's why.

Drag to me, is not dressing up as a woman. Drag is expressing yourself as an art form regardless of gender. But, biological females can not be drag queens in my eyes. It doesn't make sense to me. You can be a makeup artist or another artist but being a drag queen is something that doesn't really make sense for a female to label themselves as.

When men do drag, sometimes it's supposed to accurately represent females, but to me it's more femininity, not necessarily gender. There are masculine drag forms and feminine and somwhere in the middle so I don't think that drag is acting as a woman.

I appreciate straight women drag fans, but they to me can't have the same amount of appreciation to drag as an LGBTQ person.

I do think that straight women should give for credit to drag queens who basically created a lot of their fashion trends. A lot of these Instagram makeup gurus act like they invented dramatic makeup when drag queens have been doing it longer than their parents have been around.

I hope drag does become mainstream because I see drag as the future of human fashion and art expression. I see drag morphing into an every day thing, rather than a dude performing at 2 AM at a night club.

I'm hoping in the future it is socially acceptable to wear makeup as a man in public and have crazy, artistic costumes and stuff because it's fun! I believe the 2020s will be one of the most influential years in clothing and makeup decade and I can't wait to see how it turns out.