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A Counter-Petition Petition (self.socialism)

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The moderation team for this sub has gotten a lot of criticism in the past few days, for being "too authoritarian". They've been excoriated, here, on r/Drama, and even on right wing news, for being totalitarian. A few extensively documented brocialists have even created a petition to have literally all the mods resign, followed by new elections, which totally won't be brigaded by /leftypol/ and an army of super-easy-to-create reddit sockpuppets (or in this case, /r/soc puppets ;) ) to halt all the progress the mods have made towards fostering better leftist discourse. To this end, we would like to see the following changes made.

  1. The banning of all channers and brocialists.
  2. More curation of discussion to keep the discourse on-point and on-topic. This would mean more locking of pointless threads.
  3. The mod team discussing amongst themselves and coming to a consensus regarding actions before they're taken, to avoid inconsistency.
  4. The immediate resignation of /u/cometparty.
  5. More moderators, drawn from the ranks of solid feminist subs like r/FemmeThoughts.

EDIT: change "culled" to "drawn"

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[–]RNGmasterAnimenarchist 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I would rather that we not focus on purging any elements considered "reactionary" or "liberal" or "brocialist". When those people come into this sub and spout their rhetoric, they should of course be banned. But witch-hunting within our ranks is incredibly counterproductive in a time where we need to focus intently on growing and attracting more interest. I saw a screencap from the mod discord where a mod said that people with Bookchin flairs should be banned because they're crypto-liberals (despite them admitting to not knowing much about Bookchin's philosophy) and I can't help but feel like that is the worst possible attitude to take.

[–]CeannairceachCatgirl Collective 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (17子コメント)

Can someone define what a "brocialist" is for me? I'm not familiar with the term and I've only ever seen it used here.

[–]447uLibertarian Socialism 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I define it as people who believe r/TiA-type reactionary propaganda about leftists. Those ones that are always whining about SJWs and intersectionality corrupting the left.

[–]RagarkPastures of Plenty must always be free 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (2子コメント)

"Socialist" who think racial/gender/lgbt struggles are secondary to class or are struggles not worth caring about. Think anti-feminist "socialist."

[–]CeannairceachCatgirl Collective 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Makes sense. Thanks comrade.

[–]frog_wizard 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh, people who don't think identity politics wins elections. Got it, that's me.

[–]LazDude2012Vaporwave[S] 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (11子コメント)

Class essentialism; the position that if we take care of capitalism, other forms of oppression will fix themselves, so capitalism is the only oppression worth fighting right now.

[–]CeannairceachCatgirl Collective 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (10子コメント)

Ah, I see. I did a quick google and it also seems to be relating to MRAs. Is that accurate?

[–]EnversGame 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes. They go together like peanut butter and peanut butter.

[–]daveboy2000Red Star 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

pretty much has become a catch-all term for any leftist who disagrees with the mod team here tbh.

[–]loki2009White Panthers 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (1子コメント)

/r/socialism is the front page of the left on the internet. I'm not sure any other socialist website reaches quite such a wide audience. This subreddit is too important to leave to liberals and class essentialists that would only drive away those most harmed by capitalism. To this end I fully stand behind this petition.

[–]daveboy2000Red Star 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You ban people for saying that a medium has porn, not the entire medium is bad. Like seriously with that logic you could ban the entire internet, and more.

[–]doggiedogdogdogdog 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (10子コメント)

uphold feminism combat ableism

[–]CommunistPenguinDon't commodify the struggle 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (8子コメント)

There's no such thing as too many feminists.

[–]femimarxiAngela Davis 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (0子コメント)

"No black woman writer in this culture can write 'too much'. Indeed, no woman writer can write 'too much'...No woman has ever written enough."

-bell hooks

[–]coweatman 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (6子コメント)

well, carrying capacity and the risk of starvation ...

[–]CommunistPenguinDon't commodify the struggle 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (5子コメント)

what?

[–]coweatman 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (4子コメント)

if you have too many feminists the ecosystem collapses and everyone starves.

[–]enji-iro -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'd like some of what you're having right now.

[–]CommunistPenguinDon't commodify the struggle 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

is this a meme I don't get or are you just trolling?

[–]CommieTau 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Biology joke. Us feminists are apex predators, after all!

[–]CommunistPenguinDon't commodify the struggle 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh oh I misunderstood, sorry. I'm in a bad mood from dealing with these brocialists lol.

[–]frog_wizard 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You folks are a little retarded, no?

[–]Deathcon_5PSL-Trekism 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Make Stalin look like an Anarchist!

[–]TiakLibertarian Socialism 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Make anarchists look less like Stalin! (To a certain anarchist, seriously, if you're reading this... Seriously, what was up with that? I always thought you were pretty cool)

[–]IamvegitoMCM' -> MLM 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (0子コメント)

A solid start, comrade. The moderators here have done a bang-up job overall, but could do with more consistent rule enforcement. Brocialists are given way too much leeway in this community and that makes it a very toxic space for a lot of us. Feminist moderators would be a great change, too.

I know I would definitely return to post more often if the rules were more consistently enforced to keep this a leftist community, and I'm sure a lot of other former posters would do the same.

[–]big_al11 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

So do you have a petition like the other side does or is it just this self-post?

[–]NudelburkProtracted People's War is the only way to make revolution 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Brocialists out.

[–]CommunistPenguinDon't commodify the struggle 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

RAUS BITTE

[–]frog_wizard 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You'll look back in 4-6 years and wonder how the right took it all back.

This shit right here smh

[–]timinim[🍰] 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Brocialistpurge2k17

[–]TiakLibertarian Socialism 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I vote for replacing the mod team with /u/VoteAnimal2012 in order to have BrocialistPurge2017.

[–]daveboy2000Red Star 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

That guy literally calls all anime, including pokemon, pedophilia.

Edit: Aaaand banned for not finding pokemon pedophilia.

[–]TiakLibertarian Socialism 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

...which I don't agree with, but it would be less of a headache for me, and I would receive significantly fewer death threats, so... ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[–]Sapce4334 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (0子コメント)

P U R G E
T H E
R E A C T I O N A R I E S
F R O M
O U R
R A N K S

[–]Rayman8001Democratic Socialism/Syndicalism 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

While I have my own criticism of the moderators, 8chan needs to get out.

[–]vonHonkington 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

there is no class struggle without race struggle, without gender struggle. socialist movements that felt otherwise dissolved once capitalists made concessions to the white men. never again.

[–]1848or1917 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is a very good petition with a lot of points that would lead to the betterment of this community. I'd sign in a heartbeat.

[–]CommunistPenguinDon't commodify the struggle 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'd sign.

[–]RevolutionaryMessiahSocialism from Below 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Brocalists? Not my comrades.

[–]CGracchusMarxist|FULLCOMMUNIST 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (23子コメント)

These objections are coming almost exclusively from known brocialists and are a result of a brigade from /leftypol/. /r/socialism moderators need to stay strong in this crisis and ban the reactionaries. Foster a good, healthy community for leftist discussion ONLY.

[–]weareonlynothingCommunist 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (17子コメント)

Lmao this is comparable to the Trump supporters who thought everyone who disagrees with them is a CRT shill and Clinton supporters who'd call everyone a Russian shill. You people are embarrassing.

[–]CGracchusMarxist|FULLCOMMUNIST 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (12子コメント)

I mean, I could break down the list of signatories and put it up against the /r/FULLCOMMUNISM banlist, if I thought that would be useful (probably wouldn't impact any sealions, though). A lot of them are recognizable brocialist brigadiers, but don't let that factoid throw off your narrative.

[–]grantrobChomsky - "Your history is quite confused." 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (9子コメント)

By all means, break down the list. Let's get some empirical inquiry going.

[–]CGracchusMarxist|FULLCOMMUNIST 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (8子コメント)

if I thought that would be useful (probably wouldn't impact any sealions, though).

Key part of that one. I'm not spending an hour looking at a list solely to entertain you.

[–]grantrobChomsky - "Your history is quite confused." 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (7子コメント)

If that list actually demonstrated 80% or so of the respondents were known reactionaries, it would matter a lot.

[–]CGracchusMarxist|FULLCOMMUNIST 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Feel free to link the petition, though.

[–]CGracchusMarxist|FULLCOMMUNIST 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (5子コメント)

And if it were... 79%... it wouldn't? Or 50%? Or any number less than 80% but still a significant number?

[–]grantrobChomsky - "Your history is quite confused." 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Don't be obtuse, of course it matters if we can demonstrate that bigotry per se is what is being supported. Actually understanding the elements driving anything is essential, which is why the r/socialism survey was taken. The main thing people complained about the past few days was how rife with vanguardists the mod team was and how AnCom the socialism user base was. That matters, and the thrust of the protest has never been against anti-bigotry; it's been against authoritarian bans, mostly by a few that are thankfully gone.

Edited to remove language argued to be sexist following a ban when a warning would have sufficed; probably my bad, though.

[–]CGracchusMarxist|FULLCOMMUNIST 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not surprised by the sexist language at all.

[–]femimarxiAngela Davis 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

why do you use the word "bitched"?

[–]CGracchusMarxist|FULLCOMMUNIST 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Because he's "totally not a brocialist but supports the petition."

[–]CommunistPenguinDon't commodify the struggle 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Look in a mirror friend, you have a Zizek flair.

[–]SheepwithShovelsAnarchist 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Lol so Zizek is a brocialist now too?

[–]CommunistPenguinDon't commodify the struggle -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

He's a reactionary.

[–]SheepwithShovelsAnarchist 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh, that's even better. How is Zizek a reactionary?

[–]ArcanessHer biji Rojava! | Communo-Marxyndicalist 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Foster a good, healthy community for leftist discussion ONLY.

Fucks sake, the front page of the left on one of the most popular websites in the world should be a leftists-only echo-chamber? How the shit do you people expect to get shit done if we ban or shout down potential socialists for not being socialists yet?

[–]grantrobChomsky - "Your history is quite confused." 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

I support the protest; I have a post in my history that argues it would be more utilitarian to jail anybody accused of rape should the victim request it, and a lot of my top posts are in trollxchromosomes. Am I a brocialist, too?

[–]coweatman 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

that's kinda fucked up because it's pro-prison.

[–]frog_wizard 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I have a post in my history that expresses a terrible idea

oh word one of us

[–]CrumblyButterMuffinsMatt Damon 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

They targeted /leftypol/

/leftypol/

[–]virgil2600 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (2子コメント)

PURGE THE BROCIALISTS

[–]RagarkPastures of Plenty must always be free[M] 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

No gulag jokes. This goes for all post in this thread.

[–]arcadefire111All You Fascists Bound to Lose 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Is reason why not just kick cometparty? C'est possible?

[–]RagarkPastures of Plenty must always be free 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (2子コメント)

He's head mod. You can only remove mods below you on the mod list.

[–]arcadefire111All You Fascists Bound to Lose 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I see now, thank! Let him step down!

[–]CommunistPenguinDon't commodify the struggle 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Unfortunately they're top mod :(

[–]aruraljurorＬＡＢＯＲＷＡＶＥ 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (5子コメント)

purge the brocialists, reeducate the liberals, salt the fields of the chans

[–]lovelybone93¡Viva Puerto Rico Libre! 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (3子コメント)

The mod team needs to go FULLPOSADISM.

[–]arcadefire111All You Fascists Bound to Lose 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Do you have a moment to discuss our lord and savior, john hostel?

[–]CommunistPenguinDon't commodify the struggle 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The Truth Is Out There

[–]coweatman 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

they need to start drawing skeletons on everything? or do you mean postmodern sadism?

[–]Andreas_Schollisyan, devrim, özgürlük 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

If there will be a purge, i'm on board.

[–]GrenjabobNaxalite 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Mods are clearly looking at being more receptive of community opinion in their moderating, but they have done mostly a great job.

The people reacting to them are mostly brocialists and fucks, and we will not get progress while they are here.

MORE MODS MORE FEMINISTS NO MORE FRATICISM.

Signed.

[–]vonHonkington 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (1子コメント)

equal rights for equal people, no one left behind. oppressed groups lead the charge. down with brocialist/exclusionary nonsense. the time for sealioning/well-actually/but-what-aboutism is over, strong mods make a strong sub (eg askhistorians).

[–]coweatman 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

why not "we all charge together"?

[–]grantrobChomsky - "Your history is quite confused." 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Agree with 3, 4, and 5. Other than that, fragmenting the left is counterproductive, most of the mods on here should be able to return to a speedy re-election, etc. I do support including more oppressed minorities on the mod team than is representative of our population, but so do the overwhelming majority of the people that signed that other petition, seeing as they are anarchists and socialists on the internet.

[–]HurtEveryone 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Wow, they made a petition just to try and mess with the mods here? I knew they were low, but this some new ground. It's hard to believe they care so much about sexist cartoons.

[–]bfmv24Love Me, I'm a Liberal 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Sorry to be a bother, but how were the cartoons sexist? I'll admit I'm ignorant with how exactly it's sexist, but is it only because of the cat ears or is it something more?

[–]HurtEveryone -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Catgirls are fundamentally part of a long tradition of popular depictions of women as somehow 'less than human.' Once the cat ears are added, it becomes the default that they bear the social role of cats with the body and sexual role of women - minus consent. Even outside of explicit scenarios, this social order is implied by the cultural heritage of catgirl art. It fundamentally encourages looking at women as subhuman while objectifying them sexually.

[–]bfmv24Love Me, I'm a Liberal -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Never thought of it that way. I really only thought it was sexist if it were meant to be sexualized. Wow I feel a bit embarrassed signing that petition now.

[–]SheepwithShovelsAnarchist 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

My support goes to he other petition. Why are you leaving it up to the mod team to fix the mod team? That's just as naive as the belief that the state will abolish itself.

[–]JackBuSuKropotkin 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Combat Brocialism, Combat Liberalism.

[–]VoteAnimal2012Sankara 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I support this petition

[–]c_Six. 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Support. Particularly the banning of the channers, and bringing in mods from /r/femmethoughts. The mods there do a wonderful job and would be an excellent addition to this community.

I would caution against bringing cometparty into anything tho, as he will most likely not respond well to your petition, and his resignation is pretty much out of the question. This is more of a 'don't poke the bear' situation where he is concerned: the less he is involved, the better.

[–]JackBuSuKropotkin 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

By this logic though comrade, the less he is involved in r/soc, the better right?

[–]c_Six. 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes, exactly. From what I remember about the last big meltdown here, a kind of unspoken truce was reached with Cometparty. He'd continue to be top mod but wouldn't interfere with the real mod team. He retains that position so he can basically purge the whole team if he feels like it. I don't like that a bit, but he's been quiet and true to his word since then. So I'd rather keep that the same right now instead of giving him a reason to get involved, which might result in the chan-takeover of this subreddit. Or something even worse. If we ever were going to explore that again, I say do it at a time where other crisis isn't occurring because right now it's just too chaotic.

[–]RelatableBugs 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

brocialists go and stay go

[–]femimarxiAngela Davis 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

+1 for actually doing something to be more feminist friendly. better feminist mods to better identify brocialists in need of purging.

[–]lovelybone93¡Viva Puerto Rico Libre! 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Support.

[–]Spaceghostreddabolish the family 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Banning all channers is a ridiculous policy and only leads to the mods deciding they have the right to make weird paternalistic investigations of users for their behavior outside of the sub. Banning people for reactionary behavior here is fine though, in my opinion.

Also feminists aren't neccasarily socialist, deciding to draw moderators from outside of the sub to add more females on to the mod team seems like all it does is put possible reformists/capitalist apologists in our ranks. We have plenty of socialist women here, no? (or maybe they've all been banned for drawing the wrong things, who knows.) I'd rather keep our moderation drawn from within the community.

[–]chickenoflightLa Historia me Absolverá 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I'm far from a brocialist and I'm supporting the other petition. I will concede that some of our ranks are brocialists and channers, but this should be looked upon by a case by case basis

[–]LazDude2012Vaporwave[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

chicken, shut the fuck up my guy.

[–]chickenoflightLa Historia me Absolverá 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Of course comrade stalin, your word is law

[–]EnversGame 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (2子コメント)

/r/FULLCOMMUNISM is undoubtedly the best leftist community on the Internet, and it became that way because the mods are willing to crack down hard on reactionaries. When you start letting liberal concern trolls and brocialists run rampant, reddit's vote system kicks into effect: those users feel more comfortable with each other and upvote their non-socialist buddies, making that conversation more visible and inevitably it comes to dominate the discourse on the subreddit. Then, liberals and antifeminists and all other types of reactionaries see that, feel like they can be comfortable in the community, and move in. The cycle continues.

The mods need to be more quick with the banhammer to prevent this. Newer posters will learn that they need to listen and learn first before they try to speak authoritatively on subjects. This fosters a better community where leftists are able to not be harassed by liberal apologia, and would-be-leftists are more able to discern proper socialist points from liberal ones.

The sub is in need of a "cultural revolution," more or less, and this is a good start on that road.

[–]jbkjbk2310"Through victory, my chains are broken." 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

/r/FULLCOMMUNISM is undoubtedly the best leftist community on the Internet, and it became that way because the mods are willing to crack down hard on reactionaries.

Also the memes.

Don't forget the memes.

[–]SheepwithShovelsAnarchist -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

/r/FULLCOMMUNISM is undoubtedly the best leftist community on the Internet, and it became that way because the mods are willing to crack down hard on reactionaries.

FC has created some fantastic memes and has done quite a bit to introduce people to the radical left but no community that idolizes monsters as much as they do can be described as the best anything.

[–]TroskysGoatee 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hello COINTELPRO.

[–]astra118 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

so, has the person who got banned for the cat drawings been unbanned?

[–]CorvusClanculum 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Purge those who would disagree with us!

[–]gorement -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (9子コメント)

woke bootlicking

[–]femimarxiAngela Davis 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

the purge can start with this dingus.

[–]LazDude2012Vaporwave[S] 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (7子コメント)

oh, that's a funny way of spelling solidarity

[–]SheepwithShovelsAnarchist 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (5子コメント)

I used to be a big supporter of left unity but I eventually came to the conclusion that solidarity with authoritarians isn't solidarity worth having.

[–]VoteAnimal2012Sankara 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (4子コメント)

And solidarity with the Nazbols of leftypol is?

[–]SheepwithShovelsAnarchist -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (3子コメント)

I'm not fond of National Bolshevism. They're about as bad as Marxist-Leninists. Maybe even worse.

[–]VoteAnimal2012Sankara -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (2子コメント)

And yet you were happy to sign a petition with them.

[–]SheepwithShovelsAnarchist 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

NazBol theory has nothing to do with the petition. If a NazBol's favorite color is blue, my favorite color doesn't suddenly become purple. Haven't you ever agreed with a person on something and disagreed with them on other things?

EDIT: Btw the overwhelming majority of the people who signed that petition are not NazBols.

[–]VoteAnimal2012Sankara -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Nazbol has nothing to do with brocialists trying to get oppressive language ok'd on a socialist board

MFW

[–]HaineOrdinaire -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (7子コメント)

A few extensively documented brocialists have even created a petition to have literally all the mods resign, followed by new elections, which totally won't be brigaded by /leftypol/ and an army of super-easy-to-create reddit sockpuppets (or in this case, /r/soc puppets ;) ) to halt all the progress the mods have made towards fostering better leftist discourse.

What is the danger of this new Trotskyism? It is that Trotskyism, owing to its entire inner content, stands every chance of becoming the centre and rallying point of the non-proletarian elements who are striving to weaken, to disintegrate the proletarian dictatorship.

You will ask: what is to be done now? What are the Party's immediate tasks in connection with Trotsky's new literary pronouncements?

Trotskyism is taking action now in order to discredit Bolshevism and to undermine its foundations. It is the duty of the Party to bury Trotskyism as an ideological trend.

There is talk about repressive measures against the opposition and about the possibility of a split. That is nonsense, comrades. Our Party is strong and mighty. It will not allow any splits.

J.V Stalin, Speech Delivered at the Plenum of the Communist Group in the A.U.C.C.T.U., November 19, 1924;

You ask us to chose between Charybdis and Scylla, brocialism, hate or uncontrolled vanguardism

[–]doggiedogdogdogdog 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (5子コメント)

ridiculous hyperbole aside, i for one welcome the new uncontrolled vanguardism

[–]HaineOrdinaire -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (4子コメント)

It has its uses, but then /r/socialism can't pretend to be a pluralistic place for socialists of different traditions.

I'm the same, I agree with the mods actions now, but it will continue with the same permanent scandals. This place is hesitating between leninism and openness and it kills opportunities to grow. The mods should read more about organisation of mass movements, which implies giving more leeway first and then shape the ideology of the movement. You can't apply to everybody the same criteria as to the vanguard, at least not until higher levels of consciousness.

The risk is that the banned people will stay lurking in the dark and keep birthing plots against the mainstream /r/socialism, until they win because they get stronger at every purge, and progress is rolled back.

That's what happened to leninist movements historically. When an huge event breaks the discursive consensus the repressed forces win back power (see Beria, Deng, that's why socialist countries had troubles with power successions).

[–]doggiedogdogdogdog 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

friendo, i'm not talking about your tendencies, i'm talking about "self crit or quit"

[–]HaineOrdinaire 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Don't libel Mao when you've not read him.

[–]doggiedogdogdogdog 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

mfw:

(hint: it's blank)

[–]HaineOrdinaire 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Good exemple of what Bourdieu calls Stakhanovism. You're not helping marxism.

[–]lava_lamp22 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Let's make Stalin look like an anarchist!