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In the Heat of the Night /r/allWhen I accidentally stumble into r/TheRedPill (i.imgur.com)

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[–]Papermachetoilet 640 ポイント641 ポイント  (436子コメント)

What's the sub about? Just went on it for the first time and the top post of all time is like a weird porn ad.

[–]Jswizzy84 571 ポイント572 ポイント  (95子コメント)

The Red pill is basically just pickup artist culture turned into a world view.

[–]smartzie 481 ポイント482 ポイント  (90子コメント)

This is accurate. They view women as nothing more than silly little penis-warmers and their worldview revolves around trying to fuck them while simultaneously degrading them.

[–]deceasedhusband 503 ポイント504 ポイント  (58子コメント)

It must be so confusing to despise the thing you so desperately want.

[–]Ayy_2_Brute 186 ポイント187 ポイント  (7子コメント)

when you have to adopt an entire lifestyle to get laid, I think hating things becomes easy

[–]AellaGirl 397 ポイント398 ポイント  (47子コメント)

I obviously disagree with the anger they have and I have trouble reading redpill because it makes me angry too, but I want to make an attempt to explain their worldview.

From their perspective, women have tons of sexual power. They are the gatekeepers of sex. They are the ones who reject hoardes of men, who receive 10-1 ratio of messages on dating sites. Men are the seekers, the ones who feel a greater desire for intimacy (after all; if women's desire for intimacy was equal to men's, why don't they pursue men more?).

And so they find themselves in a situation where they are lonely, unwanted, and horny. They imagine that if they were a woman, they wouldn't have this problem, because it's easy for a woman to sleep with a man.

And so they become resentful. There's an entire gender out there who don't know what it's like to be intimacy-starved; a gender who is privileged on attention - and this gender, completely devoid of empathy for what it's like to feel utterly sexually unwanted, refuses to pay attention to the red pill man.

If he wants a girl, he has to dance monkey dance, to play the money-status-charm game to 'become worthy' of her love. This is a message reflected in media, with messages of women only going for the best man, the wealthiest man. From his perspective, she is using his desire for love as a weapon against him. Of course he will be resentful.

And so when he plays the game and women start to pay attention to him, he can't respect them. If women are going to treat intimacy as an exchange on the market, then he's going to operate like a business and exploit the customers as much as possible.

I'm not saying this is accurate or the whole picture, and I think redpillers are pretty emotionally immature, but I still have a deep sympathy for them. Theirs is the plight of the tragic villain.

[–]Glip-Glops 54 ポイント55 ポイント  (0子コメント)

good analysis

[–]firedrops 156 ポイント157 ポイント  (14子コメント)

I think one of the additional issues is they focus on the hot girl at the bar who has her pick of guys. And they assume that is what it is like to be a woman.

But most women aren't the super hot girl full of confidence poured into a slinky dress. There are also many lonely women who don't see themselves as particularly attractive, are socially awkward, aren't cool, and/or lack confidence. They are also lonely, resentful, and sad.

Red pill guys like to say any woman could walk into a bar, ask if someone wants to have sex, and at least one guy at last call would be up for it. But that isn't true - even really drunk horny guys might not go for someone that is extremely overweight or not attractive.

But it is also something many women would be scared to do. Media and personal experiences suggest that could be a really bad idea. And there is a strong stigma against "being slutty". Plus, if you already have self esteem and confidence issues you aren't going to put yourself out like that. That doesn't mean they are happy going home alone.

Also, maybe women don't want the dregs of last call. Loneliness and companionship and even just getting laid are about more than just a warm body. The red pill guys aren't so desperate they are willing to hit on women they find gross just to have a warm body to sleep next to at night. I don't know why they assume women are different in that regard.

Reddit will joke about the single cat lady with no life. But she's probably lonely. It isn't necessarily that she doesn't want a relationship. The idea that only men suffer from this issue seems really naive.

[–]Dominko 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Also don't forget that being attractive really works both ways, an attractive dude also won't be complaining about the amount of solicitors.

[–]AellaGirl 56 ポイント57 ポイント  (8子コメント)

I mean, right. Men have the idea that if they were a woman, even an unattractive one, that they could get sex from a somewhat reasonable man. Maybe this is true - but it fails to understand so much about women's psychology.

If men really were a woman, they would be a woman with all the social conditioning, incentives, biological urges, fears, and insecurities that come with being a woman. There are reasons women don't have sex with lots more men, and I feel like RP sort of glosses over that with a handwave of 'bitchy' or 'coldhearted' or 'lacks emotional depth' or 'stupid.'

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    [–]lookingoveryou 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (4子コメント)

    I genuinely would love to see your explanation of r/redpillwomen

    [–]AellaGirl 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    I think theirs is a little less weird, honestly, but it might be because, when it comes to traditional male-female roles, the female is more passive. If women want to go the traditional feminine route, it doesn't come across as aggressively manipulative in the same way TRP does, and so I view it a bit more as a legitimate personal choice.

    Unless your question is 'how could women actually want to make that choice?' In which case I used to be pretty RedPillWoman so I can talk a lot about that.

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      [–]AaronHolland44 87 ポイント88 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      This. They think its macho to disregard women but then spend all their time devising ways to sleep with them. It's a full blown paradox.

      [–]instantrobotwar 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      It's so paradoxical. "Don't put pussy on a pedestal" and yet they spend so much time thinking about how to get it. They do it to themselves.

      [–]truthie 58 ポイント59 ポイント  (20子コメント)

      And it's pretty clear 99% of them have never been romantically involved with a woman in their lives.

      [–]Jungle2266 36 ポイント37 ポイント  (19子コメント)

      I went there once and it seems some of them have been burned once and have viewed all women the same from there on, having no trust in them. Pretty pathetic place.

      [–]Kevtotheoh 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Penis-warmers. I've never heard that expression before. I think that is my vocabulary word of the day.

      [–]Beerwithjimmbo 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      And worshiping them, without really knowing it's worship

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          [–]raviary 1159 ポイント1160 ポイント  (267子コメント)

          It's a weird circle jerk of sexually frustrated boys who use pseudoscientific bullshit to make themselves feel better about not getting laid. I.e. "It's not MY fault women are uncomfortable around me, they're biologically attracted to "alphas" so if I act like a jerk they'll finally love me!" And then advice on how to be a jerk.

          Lots of misogyny and r/badwomensanatomy

          [–]OlympicGradeLurker 285 ポイント286 ポイント  (15子コメント)

          A thread of mine once got hijacked by some dude at the red pill and I became that day's discussion topic. I never realized what a colossal mistake I was making by taking my wife somewhere special for our anniversary. So glad those guys sorted me out. /s

          [–]true_gunman 700 ポイント701 ポイント  (189子コメント)

          I gotta admit. Its actually how I found reddit. I had broken up with my girlfriend and I was googling all different things to try to help myself get over her. Theredpill actually made some sense of the way I was treated. It generalised woman's behaviors and made my grlirlfriejds behaviors seem understandable with a bunch of pseudo science like you said. But it also preached bettering yourself as a man.

          Obviously after I was done grieving my relationship a whole bunch of the things on there just seemed extremely sexist and like it was full of pissed off dudes who couldn't get laid. But I still think there is some decent content on self improvement, and just ways to understand the dynamics between men and women. You just have to wade through a bunch of misogynistic bullshit.

          [–]emeyer94 451 ポイント452 ポイント  (88子コメント)

          I don't know you but I'm proud of you for sharing that. Most people paint others with a wide brush. You're story humanizes a group of men who are obviously frustrated and need help, not ridicule. I'm not a member of the sub but it's nice to see it have some defence if not of contents but of its users motives. [7]

          [–]CloudsOfDust 127 ポイント128 ポイント  (82子コメント)

          I would agree. That sub is more sad/tragic than anything. Yes, a lot of their ideas and the behaviors they support are pretty abhorrent, but I think it's all born out of a real pain and frustration. I also think the majority of them are pretty young. Not really good excuses, but helps put things in perspective a little more.

          [–]smile_e_face 73 ポイント74 ポイント  (9子コメント)

          The thing that frustrates me about it more than anything else is that at the very, very high level, some of the ideas are valuable. Women (really, just people) do want you to be confident, they don't want you to be "nice" to them with your hand out for a reward, they do notice things like looks, social grace, dress, hygiene, profession, and a general zest for life. The basic message to focus on self-improvement, work to get where you want to be, and stop being so damn thirsty is good medicine for a lot of men these days. Hell, even the side message that it's okay to be comfortable in a traditional gender role is a useful counterweight to the type of archfeminists who ridicule homemakers.

          But they just can't fucking stop there. They have to turn everything up to 11 until they're ranting about the evils of women and bemoaning the fall of masculinity, femininity, and the entirety of Western Civilization. Worse, the ridiculous persecution complex on TRP means that literally any criticism is immediately shot down as part of the Vast Vaginal Conspiracy. What you end up with is a vicious circle of fear, depression, anger, contempt, and dehumanization. Considering how young and damaged many of them are, it's damn sad to see.

          [–]the_calibre_cat 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (1子コメント)

          Your first paragraph is why I went to the place, second paragraph is why I left.

          [–]smile_e_face 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Same. It all seemed so positive and useful...at first.

          [–]afadedgiant 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

          It's really not just the TRP. That persecution complex you describe is present in the more liberal feminist friendly subreddits as well. I personally think for every action there's a reaction and TRP and MRA are just equal reactions to opposing movements.

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            [–]JonnyVegas22 128 ポイント129 ポイント  (7子コメント)

            Yeah but you also have to say it's still dangerous. I mean there's stuff on there about how to train your daughter to serve men better and make their worlds revolve around men. And that's beside all the stuff that makes men feel like they deserve women no matter what. If you want to better yourself there are much healthier ways than that sub.

            [–]chinatown10 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            "Women seem wicked when you're unwanted"

            [–]tatostix 243 ポイント244 ポイント  (60子コメント)

            Are you a woman? Maybe I see it differently because the whole sub is focused on dehumanizing my gender and discussing how women are actually terrible and the worst and actively encouraging others to recruit more into this mindset. I have no sympathy for the posters there.

            [–]CloudsOfDust 63 ポイント64 ポイント  (40子コメント)

            I'm not a woman, and I definitely didn't mean to say I have sympathy for them. Pity, maybe?

            In any case, almost every person has experienced heartbreak, and most folks don't turn into total cunts (permanently, anyway).

            [–]tatostix 53 ポイント54 ポイント  (37子コメント)

            I assume the majority of the posters there are men that have been rejected. Something that sucks, but happens to all of us. In their attempt to improve themselves though, they come up with a lot of potential improvements (exercising, dressing nice, grooming) in order to avoid addressing the fact that they're assholes. When the attempts at improvement don't work (because it doesn't address the actual problem) they just become embittered towards women and circlejerk each other in their echo chamber about how it's certainly not their fault.

            [–]LegendaryHippo 31 ポイント32 ポイント  (8子コメント)

            Yeah, you don't have to become an asshole to self improve. Just join some other subreddits that's about self improvement like /r/fitness and other subreddits dedicated to improving something

            [–]guerillabear 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (3子コメント)

            i think that a lot of relationships fall apart in the same way...people stick around too long after the "honeymoon" crazy sex phase is over and the relationship slowly dies until the breakup. Theredpill guys have generalized that into how all relationships work and women are withholding sex because they want power, and they are only after your money...blah blah blah. Really these guys just haven't ever had a good relationship which took lots of work and was rewarding and have given up before ever really trying.

            [–]number1weedguy 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Kind of like /r/foreveralone

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                      [–]Zifnab25 79 ポイント80 ポイント  (41子コメント)

                      But it also preached bettering yourself as a man.

                      There's a bit of that, but you'd be better off spending your time on /r/malefashionadvice or /r/Fitness or something. The impression I got wasn't that you should become better. It was that you were better (by virtue of being a man), and you should flaunt a bloated ego to win friends and influence people. Being an Alpha was basically just "The Secret" for wanna-be gym rats.

                      [–]Quantentheorie 52 ポイント53 ポイント  (12子コメント)

                      Wait those guys are... serious about the crap they post? I mean they actually believe that's science?

                      The difference between the most hardcore feminist and the most hardcore feminine woman is really only the degree of self deception.

                      what. the. fuck.?

                      [–]wetmonkeyfarts 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Be fit and interesting is always good advice

                      [–]hoediddley 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (5子コメント)

                      Yah. Similar story in the earlier days when it was Mystery, Style, David DeAngelo. (And Queer Eye for the Straight Guy was on.)

                      Valuable things I didn't think about before finding that stuff: put some effort into your appearance, health, body. Women often do before they go out, at least show you care enough to do your part. Don't get stuck on one person who may or may not be into you, it will take you to an unhealthy place. Do whatever you can to quell the nervousness, it's more fun if you have a little confidence than if you're self-conscious. Fake it if you don't yet feel confident, it takes time to get there. Attraction isn't a choice, so don't try to convince someone to be attracted to you that isn't.

                      Aaaaaaaand then there was lots of misogynist bullshit layered on top. I never learned a "routine." I did a little "negging" but didn't like how it made me feel, so I stopped.

                      And Christ, stop rating women on a scale. Nobody worthwhile gives a shit about that. Find someone that treats you with love and respect and try to do the same.

                      I feel bad for those guys. I don't think it's any way to live. And if it increases the cynicisms and fears that women accumulate over their dating lives, it makes the world a worse place.

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                        [–]fitlord42 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                        Let's not forget r/incels

                        [–]-d0ubt 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        I really wish we could

                        [–]Dualmilion 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                        It intrigued me a bit at first but read the field reports. Its all /r/thathappened yet still gets upvoted

                        This was the worst one i read before i stopped reading shit there https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/3r0qth/you_dont_know_me_bro_maintaining_frame_fr/

                        [–]HugePurpleNipples 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        Thanks for saving me a few minutes of my life.

                        [–]Aerik 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                        monitor RP's bullshit at bp

                        [–]DricDastardly 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        Whoa, that sub that you linked is a bad bad place.

                        [–]wfunction 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        There's also an unsurprisingly large overlap between TRP, The_Donald and other "alt-right" hangouts. TRP members are mostly right libertarians and Trump supporting memers.

                        It all stems from the same seed: angry, young white men pissed that their race and gender doesn't come with all the privileges it used to. Most reasonable people see this as a good thing but some see it as a licence to throw a giant tantrum.

                        I don't even disagree with everything the alt-right and men's rights groups say. Some of the time they actually make good points. The problem is that as a group they're insufferable assholes and no better than the SJWs they bitch about so much.

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                          [–]Reality_Facade 57 ポイント58 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                          /u/raviary is correct. They have these things called Field Reports where presumably these men go out and use what they've learned in TRP. They read like fiction, because they probably are. I genuinely believe the vast majority of them are literally just scenarios thought up in the minds of frustrated young men who give off bad vibes and scare women away. Like fapp material, only the entire sub pretends it's real.

                          [–]AutumnKnight 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          I think it started out as guys who realized their flaw was buying into society's idea of placing women onto a pedestal and trying to place their SO's needs above their own. Which is a recipe for disaster in any relationship. However, like all groups on the internet they fell victim to their own supporters and it morphed into what appears to be a large group of teenagers that recently broke up with their girlfriends and now hate all women. Just my opinion.

                          [–]Wampawacka 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                          You think that's weird, try /r/incels.

                          [–]Papermachetoilet 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          I first found that sub in an /r/askreddit thread a month or two ago. That was the strangest hour of my life.

                          [–]ContentEnt 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          It's the first step to becoming an /r/incels and that place is worse

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                            [–]TopKekSkye 289 ポイント290 ポイント  (15子コメント)

                            sorts by controversial

                            [–]various_extinctionsPhotoshop[S] 130 ポイント131 ポイント  (10子コメント)

                            http://i.imgur.com/xjzk1iY.gifv

                            [–]Hingl_McCringleberry 41 ポイント42 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            Dis gon be gud

                            [–]AlwaysAMedic 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                            Impossible! You madman!

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                              [–]quizzicalquow 294 ポイント295 ポイント  (48子コメント)

                              /r/random is a hell of a drug.

                              [–]various_extinctionsPhotoshop[S] 519 ポイント520 ポイント  (45子コメント)

                              http://i.imgur.com/v4KVIfA.gifv

                              [–]lulzdemort 194 ポイント195 ポイント  (39子コメント)

                              A Scanner Darkly, for anyone wondering. Good movie, a bit obscure though. Keanu Reeves recommended it himself in his AMA

                              [–]Rogue_Ref_NZ 109 ポイント110 ポイント  (13子コメント)

                              That's a great movie. +Keanu Reeves +Wonona Ryder +Woody Harrelson +Robert Downey Jr.

                              Written by Phillip K. Dick. Author of books that have been used to create: -Blade Runner -Total Recall -Minority Report -The Man in the High Castle -The Adjustment Bureau -Paycheck And a few others

                              Edit: Attempt to fix lists # 1, Dismal failure. Attempt # 2 will be forthcoming.

                              [–]various_extinctionsPhotoshop[S] 39 ポイント40 ポイント  (11子コメント)

                              Thank you!

                              [–]NiggyWiggyWoo 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                              That movie is deliciously strange. Love it.

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                                [–]Serotogenesis 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                Surprised I never see any other scanner darkly gifs around.

                                [–]various_extinctionsPhotoshop[S] 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                You are right. It's a very gif worthy movie.

                                [–]drislands 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                Holy crap, this looks amazing! Like it's almost live action, but not quite...

                                [–]various_extinctionsPhotoshop[S] 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                It's called Rotoscoping. First you shoot the actual footage with actual actors and everything and afterwards you draw/paint over every frame. Time consuming, but great visuals.

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                                  [–]Wrx09 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  r/randomNSFW had left some mental scaring

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                                    [–]prodigy2throw 191 ポイント192 ポイント  (18子コメント)

                                    Ironically, whenever posts like this hit the front page, subscriber count goes up

                                    [–]MrTechnohawkPhotoshop - After Effects 1137 ポイント1138 ポイント  (257子コメント)

                                    Weird that guys would base their sub on a movie that can arguably be seen as a metaphor for coming out.

                                    A movie that was written by two trans women.

                                    Edit: So much anger and deliberate misinterpretation in the responses. I suppose it was to be expected. Luckily there are also cool people responding so I don't have to. Cheers.

                                    [–]various_extinctionsPhotoshop[S] 571 ポイント572 ポイント  (19子コメント)

                                    by two trans women

                                    TIL. I knew of Lana's transition, but I didn't know about Lilly's until today. Thanks man!

                                    Also: Yes, it really is weird.

                                    [–]OneIfByLandwolfPhotoshop 181 ポイント182 ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                    Lilly's is relatively recent, maybe the last year or so. Also, you shouldn't expect red pills to make sense.

                                    [–]NiggyWiggyWoo 36 ポイント37 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                    I think she did hers just before Jupiter Ascending, or perhaps during. I could be wrong though.

                                    [–]Char10tti3 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                    My friend told me when they were filming the new Sense8 so definitely before then

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                                      [–]altCognito 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      Lilly and Lana what? who? Aha! The Wachowski Brothers are now Sisters, and holy shit I totally missed all of that and am /r/OutOfTheLoop as it were?

                                      [–]Demi_Bob 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                      Now if only Jupiter Ascending didn't suck so badly.

                                      [–]various_extinctionsPhotoshop[S] 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                      Haven't seen it yet. Sense8 is great though IMO.

                                      [–]Phoequinox 26 ポイント27 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      I like to think the Wachowskis are just wanting to try each other in every way.

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                                        [–]TiresOnFire 137 ポイント138 ポイント  (41子コメント)

                                        The Matrix?

                                        E/ I'm still confused. Is it the Matrix? And how so? I honestly don't see it. I just see the Jesus story.

                                        [–]n_s_y 257 ポイント258 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                        No, Lilo and Stitch.

                                        [–]Prcrstntr 41 ポイント42 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                        Wow I never knew stitch was a metaphor for that kind of stitch

                                        [–]vonmonologue 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                        Why do you think half the movie is about hiding him from his creator?

                                        [–]Zifnab25 47 ポイント48 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                        The Jesus allusion was tastefully subtle in the first movie.

                                        The second movie was basically just a Universal Studios Classic Monsters cross-over.

                                        By the third movie, though, yes. They were full-arm slapping you in the face with it.

                                        [–]Dirt_Dog_ 43 ポイント44 ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                        I honestly don't see it.

                                        Originally, Switch was a male in the real world and a female in the matrix, because that's how they saw themselves. That was scrapped, and the character is only remembered for saying "not like this".

                                        [–]Futurskullz 35 ポイント36 ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                        I just see Plato's Cave Allegory.

                                        IMHO.

                                        [–]Aakal 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                        Why not both?

                                        [–]TiresOnFire 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                        Those movies are kind of a clusterfuck of different allegories, myths and religious stories.

                                        [–]Ayy_2_Brute 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                        https://youtu.be/s2-m3ZksNGM

                                        [–]Firstclassredhead 29 ポイント30 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                        yes it's the matrix

                                        edit: it's probably because neo has to accept who he is, kinda like someone coming out has to accept who they are? idk but that's what I'm guessing

                                        [–]Sandwiches_INC 42 ポイント43 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                        i think you could infer any "making a choice from two, awaking, having to live with the hard choice you made and growing into it" allusion to that movie. It isnt just "being gay and coming out", it could literally be anything. Being a parent, getting a new job, becoming a cop, starting warhammer up again....anything. There isnt one thing and to say its just one is kind of silly. People are going to infer thier own self into that, thats what makes it a GOOD movie!

                                        [–]TheSocialDynamicist 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                        Let's be real here, I just can't afford to start Warhammer again.

                                        [–]TiresOnFire 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        That's kind of a stretch if you ask me. I guess I'll have to keep that in mind next time I watch it.

                                        [–]Pithong 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                        The creators of the matrix are both trans, and they created the red pill blue pill thing which is used by r/theredpill.

                                        [–]TiresOnFire 30 ポイント31 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                        Ok. I still don't see how it's obviously about coming out. Were Neo and Agent Smith reluctant lovers?

                                        "Reluctant Lovers." New band name! I call dibs!

                                        [–]Pithong 27 ポイント28 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                        You're right, that guy was talking about the movie not the creators: "a movie that can arguably be seen as a metaphor for coming out", I don't see it either..

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                                              [–]Ayy_2_Brute 77 ポイント78 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                              Lilly herself addressed this interpretation last year, essentially saying "that's nice but no."

                                              “There’s a critical eye being cast back on Lana and I’s work through the lens of our transness. This is a cool thing because it’s an excellent reminder that art is never static. And while the ideas of identity and transformation are critical components in our work, the bedrock that all ideas rest upon is love.”

                                              [–]kupiakosGimp - Blender 47 ポイント48 ポイント  (31子コメント)

                                              I must be really bad at interpreting movies. Genuine question: how is it a metaphor for coming out?

                                              [–]Jurad215 78 ポイント79 ポイント  (17子コメント)

                                              You're not bad, no one really knows what the Matrix is actually about. You could justify it as a metaphor for trans-sexuality, however because it's a story about a character who finds his true happiness (in this case portrayed as god-like powers) after rejecting the limitations put upon him by society. It's also not really stretch if you look at the Wachowski's later works like Sense 8 and Cloud Atlas.

                                              [–]Zifnab25 37 ポイント38 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                              no one really knows what the Matrix is actually about

                                              Really? I didn't think it was terribly subtle, especially by the third movie. The Matrix was a very deliberate Messiah story which puts a modern techno-spin on the New Age spiritualist quest for enlightenment and self-actualization. The first movie takes a more-Buddhist angle of personal questing and the struggle to see past corporeal temptation. By the third movie, the Wakoskis are barely staying within the realm of metaphor, given how heavy-handed they are with their Biblical symbology.

                                              I could write for a few hours exploring all the different sub-themes and allusions the movies enter into. But the general themes of stoic virtue, enlightened understanding, and a struggle to escape corporeal desire in pursuit of higher ends doesn't strike me as hard to spot.

                                              [–]Jurad215 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                              Those are definitely some of the film's major influences (a lot of the Wachowski's work seems to be influenced by Eastern religion and culture) but's not what the film is about. What the film is actually trying to say is much more difficult to figure out. You can argue it's a metaphor for trans-sexuality like stated above or you can argue that it's an anti-government story, encouraging the kind of conspiracy nuts who now use the red pill as their go to metaphor. You could argue that it's just a straight up religious parable, and that the overtly religious themes found throughout the movies are strictly there to enforce that, but I think that's a pretty boring interpretation. The Wachowski's influences are insanely varied and a lot of them end up getting mixed into the Matrix, from Alice in Wonderland to Eastern and Western religious iconography to Orwell to BDSM culture, this is precisely what makes pinning down the intended meaning so difficult.

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                                                [–]Rockandread 46 ポイント47 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                Definitely. The overarching theme of a lot of the Wachowskis' films seems to be that the true self transcends the body.

                                                [–]Ayy_2_Brute 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                no one really knows what the Matrix is actually about

                                                It's a mono-myth that explores the philosophical questions and ideas posed by Jean Baudrillard in his 1981 book "Simulacres et Simulation" – they actually show it in one of the opening scenes.

                                                [–]ILikeMasterChief 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                I know what it's actually about. It's about a dystopian future where robots have taken over and enslaved humans for their own uses, but they put the humans in a computer simulation (which the humans believe is the real world) to keep them docile. Some humans figure out the truth and escape. One of the humans inexplicably has super powers.

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                                                  [–]Cran-baisins 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  Themes of liberation from oppressive peoples, I suppose. It's possible to infer that gay rights were part of what they were talking about (like it is in Cloud Atlas, Jupiter Ascending, obviously Bound... It's kind of always the same message with them). It's a bit of a stretch, but given what we know about the directors now, it's safe to assume that they weren't secretly talking about how hard men have it in the world.

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                                                    [–]TotallyNotACultist 58 ポイント59 ポイント  (86子コメント)

                                                    But is the red pill sub transphobic?

                                                    [–]chrom_ed 394 ポイント395 ポイント  (65子コメント)

                                                    Without checking for any source whatsoever I can say with absolute certainty yes.

                                                    [–]wellshire 39 ポイント40 ポイント  (11子コメント)

                                                    Most of them don't believe in trans in the first place, believing it to either be made up or a misinterpreted mental illness.

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                                                      [–]Shut_Your_Damn_Mouth 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                      I was under the impression it was about consumerism

                                                      [–]Unlimited_Bacon 35 ポイント36 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                      Consumerism in a world where women are reduced to things with commercial value.

                                                      [–]Shut_Your_Damn_Mouth 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                      Well I was talking about the matrix specifically so I'm not sure what your point is.

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                                                        [–]Punchee 157 ポイント158 ポイント  (65子コメント)

                                                        /r/redpillwomen is more confusing

                                                        [–]OfficialGarwood 235 ポイント236 ポイント  (12子コメント)

                                                        I bet 90% of the people who post there aren't even women.

                                                        [–]maybesaydie 96 ポイント97 ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                        You'd win that bet.

                                                        [–]duckvimes_ 33 ポイント34 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                        They're not. I had someone make an imposter sub of /r/isrconspiracyracist (I think the name was just /r/isconspiracyracist; it was private and the sub message was from "me", "admitting" that I brigade). When I sent a modmail, I got messages from an account with a name like RedPillGal. Once I finally got control of the sub and looked at the mod logs? Turned out it was just an alt of some racist (and very, very male) /r/conspiracy user.

                                                        [–]octopusdixiecups 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                        What is an impostor sub

                                                        [–]_Turabi_ 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                        A fake sub that tries to damage the real sub's reputation or mooch off its popularity.

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                                                            [–]Lachtan 124 ポイント125 ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                            From that sub:

                                                            "My husband is very good to me, and he is very patient with me. I have a long way to go to becoming a RPW, mostly because I do not serve him well at all. I want to very much"

                                                            LOL

                                                            [–]throwcripes 34 ポイント35 ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                                            /r/incels and /r/femaleincels are fun as well, although the real /r/femaleincels would probably be something like /r/fatacceptance.

                                                            [–]amadoamata 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                            TIL there's a female incels sub. There goes the rest of my day.

                                                            [–]_Discard_Account_ 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                            Apparently /r/femaleincels is a satire subreddit (I just went there to check it out for the lulz). "It's just satire" comes up again and again in the comment sections, because someone ends up taking a post seriously.

                                                            Supposedly it's a sub making fun of /r/incels and men who post there. Sometimes they'll even directly post something taken from /r/incels, with the genders swapped.

                                                            And considering their top post right now is titled "All heterosexual sex is rape", I certainly hope the sub is complete satire...

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                                                                [–]maybesaydie 34 ポイント35 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                Since their top mod is a man it's very confusing.

                                                                [–]kiki_The_blonde 104 ポイント105 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                well, it's not like we women can be trusted to moderate OURSELVES, silly!

                                                                [–]Wollff 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                Oh God! The pink! My eyes!

                                                                [–]unaesthetikz 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                I saw one post on there where this person was talking about about how she was influenced by the Stepford Wives.

                                                                Do they even understand what they were?

                                                                [–]OlympicGradeLurker 39 ポイント40 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                Read the sidebar:

                                                                "We agree with r/TheRedPill..."

                                                                See how wrong those words look together?

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                                                                  [–]Forrestfunk 64 ポイント65 ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                                  I have no idea what the sub is about. I went there, opened the side bar, clicked on a link to their "introduction" - which is a deleted post. Well, good job and bye.

                                                                  [–]TheCocksmith 74 ポイント75 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                  They go on and on about being an alpha male, and lay down rules for interacting with women. They tell each other made up stories and pat themselves on the back for overcoming difficulties that evil women have placed in front of them, like not wanting sex on the first date. Yes, that is an actual rule of theirs. If she doesn't give it up on the first date, don't waste your time with her.

                                                                  They talk about "maintaining frame" and not losing composure, yet they worship Donald Trump as the ultimate example of this. The most thin skinned and un-composed man alive is their shining example of "maintaining frame."

                                                                  They worship at the altar of Milo. As if he has actually accomplished anything in his life, other than being a loud mouth.

                                                                  That is a common theme with them. They love loud mouth idiots.

                                                                  [–]GazimoEnthra 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                  For being super alpha males I don't quite understand why they need heavily detailed essays for guidance in everything.

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                                                                    [–]Captcha_Code 314 ポイント315 ポイント  (57子コメント)

                                                                    Real story time.

                                                                    I started using this website when I was still a teenager and still very impressionable. I'm a woman and I had very low self esteem. My journey into TRP started with a lot of /r/askmen browsing. I am not and have never been interested in short term dating. For better or worse, my eye has always been on long term.

                                                                    Problem is, askmen has some (or at least had, I haven't been there in several years) pretty heavy TRP influences, though they never really say that. There were a lot of discussions how men would never be perfectly happy with one woman because their primal instincts would always make them want to have a several women. Only morals kept them from sleeping with tons of women at a time. Also lots of guys seemed to agree that masturbating felt better than sex or blowjobs even if it wasn't as fun, so it made me feel kind of useless sexually. True or not, this didn't help my esteem at all.

                                                                    My self esteem plummeted after just a few months of browsing askmen and I because further impressionable. At some point, someone linked to the red pill and that's where I really got fucked up.

                                                                    If askmen did horrors to my esteem, TRP made me feel like garbage. They openly talk about women's expiration dates after about 25 or so and I started having anxiety attacks about getting old and worthless at the old age of 26. Like I had to make someone fall in love and marry me like tomorrow or else I'd end up a lonely old hag.

                                                                    My anxiety and esteem got so bad I ended up going to therapy and cutting Reddit nearly entirely for probably about half a year. I've come a long way since then, but honestly that experience made me see the inside of cult mentality a little bit. Even though I couldn't contribute to any discussion (because women can't speak on there without being insulted for contributing; not kidding) I felt like these guys had it figured out and I kept coming back.

                                                                    I have come so far since then and I think I've recovered 100%. Unlike T_D though where I like to go see the zoo animals every once in a while, for my own mental sanity, I will never ever click on askmen or theredpill links ever again.

                                                                    [–]grimninja117 185 ポイント186 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                    Your first mistake was listening to what the men on reddit say about women.

                                                                    [–]wellshire 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                    "Take it from me"

                                                                    Naw you're right though

                                                                    [–]grimninja117 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                    Lol I see what your saying but seriously, reddit is the last place I would go for advice on communicating with the other sex.

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                                                                      [–]alcholicfemale 38 ポイント39 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                      Dude. 25 y/o woman here. My bf went through a TRP phase when we were first dating... He said it helped him leave his ex who cheated on him. Which in a sense I can understand, though I think he's wonderful and could have done so without needing TRP. It started causing arguments so I started reading it thinking it could be a good perspective and maybe there was something I could learn. Boy was I wrong. It sent me spiralling. I cut myself for the first time in ten years. I felt compleatly worthless and expired. 0/10 would recommend. It's scary being told by internet men that you're essentially a purse. An accessory if you will. Especially being that all my IRL friends are men. Glad to hear we're outta there and never looking back. And hearing someone else go through this and come out okay is INSANELY comforting. I'm sorry you went through it, but THANK YOU for sharing. Weather you like it or not, we're internet friends now =p. Much love dude!

                                                                      P.s. bf is no longer TRP follower and 2 years later we're better than ever.

                                                                      [–]Pithong 45 ポイント46 ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                                                      You should check out /r/TheBluePill as a counter to trp. Well actually you should strive to stay away from that whole culture. For some information and to help people dig themselves out of the disaster that is trp, the blue pill is nice, but staying on blue pill all day is almost as bad because your mind is still completely wrapped in trp culture even though you are on the sane side of it. They have a sticky up about it there.

                                                                      [–]urmyheartBeatStopR 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (10子コメント)

                                                                      askmen has some (or at least had, I haven't been there in several years) pretty heavy TRP influences

                                                                      I haven't gone to /r/askmen for a while now but I don't recall TRP influences.

                                                                      If it went to shit I'm sad.

                                                                      [–]7evenCircles 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (10子コメント)

                                                                      Damn dude I'm sorry you went through that. I'm a guy but I've also dealt with/am dealing with rock bottom self-worth because I don't see myself having any "utility" to the other sex. From my point of view it's always been obvious that these dudes don't have a fucking clue how successful relationships work and it bums me out that you were a casualty to their sophomoric ideology bullshit. I think the most important thing I've learned is not to let thoughts in other people's heads change how you behave. They don't deserve that kind of power over you. Glad to hear you're doing better (:

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                                                                        [–]dreiter 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                        From a recent top post in /theredpill:

                                                                        once we get to hers, were straight to her bedroom, making out. she keeps saying we're not having sex, but at this point i just ignore it. We're under the sheets fully clothed. i interrupt her repeatedly saying we're not having sex, to point out how weird it was to be clothed in bed, she agrees and takes hers off. i keep mine on until she says something to get them off, just so she has to do a little work to get me. eventually its just down to underwear, i play with her to make her cum and with each orgasm caused shudder her defences collapses until we're having a sex. which we do alot all night, and she was fantastic.

                                                                        Yeah, not going back there again.

                                                                        [–]Naxhus 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                        Hey man, it's not rape if she enjoys it and she clearly enjoyed it because she's orgasming! /s i feel dirty even joking about it

                                                                        [–]urmyheartBeatStopR 102 ポイント103 ポイント  (35子コメント)

                                                                        Those same people are in /r/altright .

                                                                        I was banned from /r/AsianMasculinity when I pointed out that it was too /r/TheRedPill and that their side links blame white people for their women problem which is racist.

                                                                        Turns out one of the mod is the mod for /r/TheRedPill .

                                                                        I think a year later they unbanned me and the mod left.

                                                                        In general it was a shit subreddit anyway.

                                                                        You want proof about altright?

                                                                        Thus, racial & sexual realism is a key component of the Alt-Right - perhaps the key component that ties the diverse factions within it together.

                                                                        Thus, the Alt-Right promotes White Identity and White Nationalism.

                                                                        Those above are bolded on their right side panel.

                                                                        [–]Quantentheorie 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                                        What the hell is White Nationalism supposed to be?

                                                                        [–]psych0ranger 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                                        The idea that white people should be in charge of shit, simply put

                                                                        [–]Libertyreign 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                        Wow. /r/AsianMasculinity has some serious racists in it. They are telling people that white people are toxic for their kids. They also mentioned, and upvoted, people for saying they can't wait for China to overtake the US.

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                                                                          [–]_gina_marie_ 48 ポイント49 ポイント  (10子コメント)

                                                                          Or /r/incels

                                                                          [–]FlynnLevy 41 ポイント42 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                          That place is...special.

                                                                          [–]various_extinctionsPhotoshop[S] 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                          After the rumpus I've just caused with my gif I don't think I will click on this. Thx though.

                                                                          [–]_gina_marie_ 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                          Yeah unless you want all your faith in humanity to be utterly shattered, then you're making the right choice to stay away

                                                                          [–]deceasedhusband 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                          The lack of self awareness is simply shocking.

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                                                                            [–]polyinky 68 ポイント69 ポイント  (11子コメント)

                                                                            /r/theredpill are just virgins telling /r/thathappened stories.

                                                                            [–]HUDuser 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                            I like going to /r/conspiracy sometimes to reassure myself about decisions in life

                                                                            [–]iamhewhodrums 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                            Found this gem while lurking there;

                                                                            "are you masculine enough to toss aside her feeble protest"

                                                                            Sounds a bit like rape to me.

                                                                            [–]BigJ76Photoshop - After Effects 33 ポイント34 ポイント  (9子コメント)

                                                                            That place will turn you to the dark side

                                                                            [–]Paradigm6790 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                            That place is like the first layer. There are several much more disturbing subs.

                                                                            [–]unaesthetikz 34 ポイント35 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                            As a woman, i went on that sub once and wasn't sure if I should be sad, angry, or digust for their sexist beliefs

                                                                            [–]RainWindowCoffee 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                            What is this from? It reminds me of the way people talk in old Twilight Zone episodes. Sometimes I wish I could talk like that.

                                                                            [–]various_extinctionsPhotoshop[S] 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                            In the Heat of the Night.

                                                                            Hint: It's in the flair.

                                                                            [–]SilentJac 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                            Fun activity: post there and see how many subreddits you get banned from

                                                                            [–]Fredfredbug4 40 ポイント41 ポイント  (17子コメント)

                                                                            /r/theredpill is an inherently flawed subreddit by design.

                                                                            The real "Alpha Males" aren't wasting their time complaining and shitposting on reddit. They're actually out doing stuff.

                                                                            The "real" ones trying to give you advice are almost always full of shit or just trying to sell you something.

                                                                            So what you have left are a bunch of submissive betas all trying to convince themselves that they are alphas.

                                                                            [–]Alakazam 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                                                            I stumbled onto MensRights subreddit. I saw a post I felt I could contribute to about cognitive bias, and tried to provide an explanation from an evolutionary biology point of view. Long story short, people were arguing that women were snakes and that, by my explanation, rape was okay.

                                                                            I had to spend an hour on r/wholesomememes to calm myself down. Never going back there again.

                                                                            [–]Langosta_9er 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                            Well, goodbye everybody. I'll see you down in the controversial comments.

                                                                            [–]CountDakula 34 ポイント35 ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                                            'Yeah man, TRP is fucked up.'

                                                                            Goes back to watching a teen blow six dudes.

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