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Liberals who come here to argue their viewpoint, please stop drowning out Conservative viewpoints. I'm not one for echo chambers but it's called /r/Conservative for a reason. This subreddit is one out of a few right leaning subreddits that are here on reddit. It's difficult to browse when right leaning viewpoints are mysteriously downvoted for whatever reason. I understand if you're dismayed by /r/politics, but that doesn't mean "downvote because I disagree with you." Again I don't like echo chambers, just be respectful towards different view points.

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[–]LumpyWumpus 36 ポイント37 ポイント  (9子コメント)

I believe we will see an increase in liberal brigading until the 20th, then maybe it will start to die down. It probably won't, but I am hopeful.

[–]tphan 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (4子コメント)

People have predicted /r/politics becoming more bipartisan for years now. Not gonna happen

[–]quadrophenia515Conservative [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

They literally think Trump is a Manchurian candidate. I honestly wonder how many of them are able to function in the real world.

[–]Natetendo83 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

They need some diapers to go with their safety pins.

[–]you_are_the_product [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

You kidding? It's pampers all the way for these people. They can't tie and pin, that's for fucking real americans that raised kids before walmart made it easy!

[–]you_are_the_product [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Reddit management blessed the idea of a default sub being that way. There is no way that's some sort of organic thing.

[–]Roez [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

By accident I happened upon a Huffpost article that was upvoted some 40k times over in r/politics, and it was nothing significant or new. Typical echo chamber stuff.

Anywho, reddit is dominated by leftists. It's fortunate the mods here take a pretty hardline approach, otherwise this sub wouldn't exist.

[–]you_are_the_product [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

The fact that they allow that and buzzfeed as a source .. yeah you know what it is.

[–]Clatsopvincit omnia veritas[M] [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

You have no idea the crap we put up with on a daily basis. If we did not do what we do, we would be quickly overrun.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=fgq0ecMHfzc

[–]aCreditGuru 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm not as optimistic as you

[–]JumpyPorcupineReagan 84' 51 ポイント52 ポイント  (7子コメント)

It's hard to be in a right-wing echo chamber, mainly due to the mainstream media alligning so hard with the left.

I always found it funny because in a way, we understand them more than they understand us.

[–]YankeeBlues21 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (4子コメント)

It's absolutely true. Look at Jonathan Haidt's work about the differences in ideological perspective between political groups (if you haven't read it, The Righteous Mind is excellent). Then there's the vast difference in performance in ideologically Turing tests that shows conservatives tend to be much better at believably arguing in support of opposing views than liberals are.

[–]mc_md [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Along those same lines, I suggest Conflict of Visions by Thomas Sowell. Absolutely brilliant.

[–]flea1400 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

That really is an excellent book and explains a lot about the psychological differences in approach from both sides, and why arguments from one side are perceived as almost nonsensical by the other.

[–]Roez [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Totally agree. As an aside, I'm not even sure this sub is an echo chamber nearly as much as it could be. There are the memes that pop up and that sort of thing, but it does have discussion from a hardline to moderate.

Echo chamber stuff, to me at least, is when you get mostly links to really hardline websites. The left has HuffPost, Slate, Mother Jones (and a bunch of others); the right has Brietbart, Allahpundit, Townhall, National Review, etc.

I see a lot of links to articles from all over, not just a solid right leaning slant.

[–]GuitarWizard90 27 ポイント28 ポイント  (7子コメント)

It's a major problem on here at times. If a post here gets a lot of upvotes, liberals swarm in here and start lecturing us. There are times when I feel like I'm in the minority here as a conservative. If the subject of the post is about transgenders, abortion, climate change, etc, you can almost count on the comments being flooded with offended liberals. There was a post on here a few days ago that got over 1000 upvotes, but the comments were loaded with angry liberals. And I've been downvoted on here several times for making pro-life comments. Either downvoted, or lectured to. It's annoying as hell.

I think this sub needs to make a change. I propose we do something similar to /r/truechristian. That sub was created because atheists and liberals overran /r/Christianity, and conservative Christians were pushed out of that sub. /r/truechristian allows atheists to comment, but not on threads tagged as [Christians Only]. If a post has that tag, then only people with Christian flairs are allowed to comment in that thread. Non-Christians who comment in those threads are banned. It's a good system and it works for the most part. So maybe this sub could do something similar. Make a flair that allows people here to identify themselves as conservative, and then only allow people with that flair to comment in threads tagged [conservatives only]. So posters would be able to choose whether or not they wanted comments from liberals.

This wouldn't solve the problem with the downvoting, but it would help slow down the lecturing comments. Allow posters to choose whether or not they wish to invite liberals to their discussion.

[–]Robo1p [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Adding to what you said, the only thing more annoying than being lectured to, is being lectured to by 'True Conservatives'. It usually goes something like this: "I'm a pretty hardcore conservative, but I don't understand why you don't like the ACA, LBJ's Model Cities program, FDR's new deal, and don't think assault weapons should be banned". (might be somewhat of a strawman, but I swear I've seen similar things)

[–]Clatsopvincit omnia veritas[M] 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (4子コメント)

The problem with flair is it has to approved... which means we have to investigate to determine if they deserve conservative flair. We have to search through submission and comment history, and make a judgement call, which is not always easy.

[–]A_Wild_Blue_Card1A is love, 1A is life [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

How about starting with a simple CSS change requiring subscribers,and them alone, downvote?

You could also permaban accounts with more than X hundred karma on /ETS, /Socialism, etc. Prevents them voting too.

Try to get the admins to do something about/r/ShitConservativesSay, and other brigading bands, or ask /T_D for help if they don't comply.

[–]alexdinhogaucho[S] [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

You could also permaban accounts with more than X hundred karma on /ETS, /Socialism, etc. Prevents them voting too.

That's a fantastic idea.

[–]Clatsopvincit omnia veritas[M] [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

You could also permaban accounts with more than X hundred karma on /ETS, /Socialism, etc.

How would that be accomplished?

[–]Royal_Cascadian 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Nothing bothers me more on reddit, not just sub, but all of them, downvoting, because I just don't like it. It's the worst part of reddit, I think.

[–]Sikktwizted 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I've thought that the upvote/downvote system should be done away with for a long time.

[–]rubncto 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The counter to that is that it's also the best part of Reddit.

[–]rushrushgettheyayo [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It's all about making sure their propaganda is visible and your counter arguments aren't.

[–]DaveThe_blank_Libertarian Conservative 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (1子コメント)

it's always been an uphill battle. You ban them, they come and downvote anyway. Fuck em. In time, either by proof of concept or the disaster they create, they will realize how horribly wrong they have been. I'll take 241 years of a Constitution that is the free world over any thing these gender confused, safe spacers, indoctrinated kids can throw this way. Proof is in the pudding, and we Americans stand proudly on it. Every bit of bullshit and downvoting can never take that away.

[–]RichterNYR35 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'll continue my policy of telling them to suck on one.

[–]Robo1p [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

I hope this sub doesn't go the way of /r/libertarian. That sub is infiltrated with libertarian-socialists, pure socialists, and liberals who like weed. I've got hope though, the mods here are actually trying to prevent that.

[–]Clatsopvincit omnia veritas[M] [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

We try, but it's like herding cats.

[–]jhester42Constitutionalist 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I don't think the vast majority of liberals CAN be respectful, period. It's not an trait that agrees with their agenda.

[–]rushrushgettheyayo [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

When you play identity politics you've already gone you're own delusional way.

[–]chabanaisSic semper tyrannis[M] 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (5子コメント)

They will never listen, sadly. Just report them and move on.

We'll take care of the rest.

[–]romeo123456 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (3子コメント)

How do you report a downvoter?

[–]ultimisConstitutionalist 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

They generally post as well. If they are just down voting there isn't much that can be done.

[–]mattcruise -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I don't think you can tell unless they say they downvoted.

[–]mattcruise -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

If i am wrong, feel free to correct me, or you know downvote me anonymously, because that is constructive and mature. *directed at the user who downvoted me

[–]wbshannity 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Texan to Texan, the sub is /r/conservative, not /r/iHateLibs...

If the sub is defined by what we reject we're bound to be reactive, and by implication merely critical of history

Conservatism at its roots is individuality and freedom from the artifacts of contrived social organization. We value predominant social ordering and non-interference with individual pursuit; organization scares us and for good cause

That said, let's not cede the narrow ground we have to liberals, to emotion and to rhetoric. Ban those who insult and downvote those who fail to convince, but keep an eye on the truth, whomever it serves

[–]Saint-CahillGoldwater Conservative [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Right, hopefully this doesn't get buried, but honestly, just be respectful. We don't want to have to move somewhere else, and if we happened to visit a left wing subreddit, we'd be respectful as well.

I've seen The Donald, its too much for me, too immature, R/Politics isn't for me either, so this subreddit is quality, and I really hope liberal visitors understand that we want to keep it quality.

[–]JIDF-Shill [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

They've really gotten out of hand

[–]ChicoFTW 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (7子コメント)

I'm fairly left leaning and I like to come here to get an idea of how the opposition thinks on any given issue. Never commented or voted before though.

[–]aCreditGuru 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Careful, there's tales around these parts where liberals who read too much /r/conservative wind up changing... :P

I don't mind it when others with opposing view points comment. I do mind when I take time to explain my viewpoint or give them other data points to back up my argument and I'm met with basically (paraphrasing) 'I understand where you're coming from but I just think you're wrong'

[–]ChicoFTW 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (4子コメント)

lol I said left leaning instead of liberal cause the liberals don't really like me anymore and believe me the feeling is mutual. I mostly come in here to see the reasoning behind conservative beliefs and opinions, out of honest curiosity and a desire to understand a different point of view.

I mostly don't comment cause I feel like its not my place. This is a place for Conservatives to discuss Conservative things. While it is important to not exist in an echo chamber, in my opinion, its equally important to have a place where you can just be yourself and say what you think without judgement or getting into a 2 hour long philosophical argument.

[–]tphan 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Are you a fan of Dave Rubin?

[–]ChicoFTW 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

never heard of him, a quick google search says he's a fan of free speech, I like free speech too.

[–]tphan 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

He's a liberal that used to be on the Young Turks. He left the programme due to similar reasons to you. His YouTube channel is pretty good!

[–]ChicoFTW 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Cool, I'll check it out, thanks.

[–]AnalogKid2112 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Same here. I think this subreddit could benefit from a semi-regular "ask a conservative" type thread that is open to everyone. I often find myself wanting to discuss certain topics but holding back because I don't want to be dismissed as one of these people who just come here to downvote and push their agenda.

[–]stoffel_bristov 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

amen.

[–]Dancemanleo 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (6子コメント)

I come here for an alternative view, I don't want to drown in an Echo chamber. And although I do have stuff to say, I'll wait until an appropriate time or take it to a discussion subreddit.

[–]rushrushgettheyayo [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

Or you can just leave. Or quietly read conservatives discuss amongst ourselves, which is the point of the subreddit.

[–]Dancemanleo [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

That is essentially what I said. I have never commented in this sub until now. I like to think I came with a fairly enlightened viewpoint of wanting to consider other people's views and only add to the conversation when appropriate.

I get that this sub might be infiltrated by people meaning to make an argument or downvote unnecessarily but being asked to leave after what I said is not what I expected.

[–]aCreditGuru [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Yeah I don't think what you said was controversial or anything. I don't understand people sometimes.

[–]rushrushgettheyayo [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Things are high stress for conservatives. We are stereotyped and marginalized more than any other demographic right now in the states. I face discrimination from liberals on the Internet and real life. Sorry if I'm rude, but things are extra sensitive lately and I wouldn't be opposed to banning anyone that isn't a conservative. I'm really sick and tired of being mistreated and misunderstood by people from the left.

[–]Dancemanleo [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

I hear ya. I think things have gotten too polarized. I just like good political conversations that doesn't devolve into attacks. Too many liberals reduce things to being racist or other silly name calling without taking time to understand the other side.

[–]you_are_the_product [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I like people that are liberal or democrat that want to be persuasive and not nasty. If I hear how I am white privileged or a racist I tend to make fun but people with opposing viewpoints I can learn and improve from are fantastic and I really mean that.

This is why /r/politics is so fun to troll, they have no intention of ever being truthful or reasonable in debate. They even named their sub in such a way that you might expect it.

[–]TomBradysClit -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (14子コメント)

It's childish to downvote what you don't agree with, at least make a logical argument against and provide evidence to support yourself.

[–]Yowhasoy [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

The problem really comes down to the fact that real conservative voices have better things to do than comment on reddit, or don't use the site at all.

I am an advocate of, if you don't like what you are reading in the comments section, it's not a big deal.

[–]politicsarenonsense -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This subreddit is one out of a few right leaning subreddits that are here on reddit

T_D

Mr_Trump

Bigly

conspiracy

blacklivessplatter

uncensorednews

Hillaryforprison

Sorosforprison

Wikileaks

Worldnews

imgoingtohellforthis

Excuse me? Bro there's like 7 new right wing subs a day, or like poor conspiracy, they get INVADED by right wingers (Ironic)

Conspiracy has just turned into yet another pro-conservative, pro-trump sub which was NOT it's original purpose. Now everything is anti-democrat and "CTR"

[–]Eurasienne [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I got banned from r/politics because I was astounded how overwhelmingly left-sing it was/is, and pointed that out, how it was worse than someplace like DemocraticUnderground because one expects a left wing site to be left wing, obviously...but r/politics is supposed to be (more) balanced and the fact it's not, makes it way worse. I guess my comment was considered community abuse!

Anyhow, I could have appealed but have no interest or energy in doing so cause it's no big deal to me lol...I hardly visited there and certainly won't miss reading or not being able to comment. I should add though, it's not just r/politics but also r/republican where liberals feel the need to insert themselves.

They have so many places yet it's not enough for them, they are annoying.