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[–]cmagnificentAnti-Oedipal 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Okay, so instead of the complete resignation of all current mods, how about all current mods must stand for election and if they lose they will then be expected to resign?

The community understands the needs for broad and inclusive representation, but you must understand that steps must be taken to restore faith and trust in the mod team as well as subreddit management issues. Without all of the current mods at least facing the community on this, such a reestablishment of trust will be impossible, you see.

[–]NudelburkProtracted People's War is the only way to make revolution 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

for election

And how do we hold a fair election on the internet. It is bound to be brigaded.

[–]feflol 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

perhaps set the sub to be temporarily private or something of the sort during the election, so only those who were already subscribed could participate.

its not ideal and i dont know how effective it would be but its something.

[–]cmagnificentAnti-Oedipal 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I am noticing a distressing trend of any and all criticism being labeled as brigading by outside communities. It bears a number disturbing parallels to other political ideologies, and failed ideologies of the past.

The bottom line is a large portion of the user blase flat out doesn't trust the current mod team, and every single step taken from the irrational "strike" yesterday, to slandering anyone who openly criticizes as one of these outside "brigaders" reeks of little more than theater.

I'm just telling you what needs to happen for the community to trust the leadership again, take it for what it is or don't, it makes no difference to me, but just know that the current mod teams actions have done more to damage the image of socialism and leftism in general on reddit than any of the reactionary and proto-fascist subs ever could. The intentions are irrelevant, the actions are the only things that matter.

TL;DR - This is why vanguardism doesn't work, fam. You can't impose liberation.

[–]IAM_SOMEGUYDemocratic Socialism 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You mods claim to be 'volunteers'. We aren't asking you to mod us now we want you to step down we can go through a moderation election and run this sub ourselves.

[–]HuiosTouAnthropou 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (2子コメント)

The resignation of all current /r/socialism mods cannot happen.

Bullshit hierarchical suppression.

[–]penscrape2 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is exactly how the r/DebateACommunist drama turned out.

[–]CommunistPenguinDon't commodify the struggle -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You aren't being oppressed, this is an internet forum not society.

[–]Vacuumulus 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (18子コメント)

So, you aren't willing to let moderators be challenged by a fair election because it would lead to fewer moderators of marginalised groups? If people don't want those moderators, they don't want them. Keeping shitty moderators just because they fill a quota will lead to bad moderation, period.

[–]AK-MingusDare to Struggle Dare to Win -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ahh yes because it's not oppression if it's democratically decided.

[–]VoteAnimal2012Sankara -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yall tried an election last time on /r/socialism2. You didn't win by a huge margin. You wanna try again? You are just the loud, shitty, reactionary minority of users here.

[–]Sarr_CatDemocratic Socialism 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

We need more moderators anyway, so an election is prudent. However, given the unsatsifactory survey results (87% men and nearly 75% white) and the lack of ideological proportionality within the team, as mods, we must use our position to encourage as many non-men, racialised folks and members of anarchist tendencies as possible to be nominated. Consequently, there are quotas to fill

I for one don't care as much about the gender of our comunity moderators as much as i do that they enforce the rules in a sensible manner, in a manner that doesnt end up in more absurd bannings like the one which lit the fuse on this whole thing. That being said, I'm fine with encouraging more diversity among the mod team, in both gender and ideological tenancy. But not if doing so is going to be prioritized over actual reform of the moderation practices that got us in this mess to begin with

[–]FedoraMast3rSabo Cat 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The identity of the mods should be completely irrelevant as long as they follow the wishes of the community

[–]ayy_howzit_braddah 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (20子コメント)

...cannot happen.

And for what reasoning? You are literally defying public opinion. We don't accept your superficial changes. We have already compiled popular support against your regime, can you not see that you aren't even wanted here anymore?

You lamented your status as volunteers. So step down, and let others volunteer.

Anyone reading this, let me outline what that whole post was. It was literally a defiance of the public will by moderators who will continue to institute their own versions of "change", despite the will of the community they claim to support.

[–]JackissocoolLibertarian Hyper Marxarchist 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

111 people out of 80,000

[–]RagarkPastures of Plenty must always be free 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

111 out of 5000 daily users. And that's assuming no brigaders, no reactionaries, etc.

[–]FedoraMast3rSabo Cat 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Of around 500-1000 active users, which is 10%, enough of a population to start an impeachment vote

[–]Chicomoztoc¡La historia nos absolverá! 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Who's "we"? I sure don't agree with you in the slightest

[–]ayy_howzit_braddah -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Me and 119 other users who took the time to get on board an actual democratic movement.

[–]CommunistPenguinDon't commodify the struggle 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (6子コメント)

It's a damn internet forum. Also the signatures were from an annoying and loud minority who are screwing up a perfectly good sub.

[–]ayy_howzit_braddah -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (5子コメント)

So gather your own signatures if you feel that your "faction" is the majority of this subreddit.

We did it democratically and openly. More than I can say for these mods.

[–]CommunistPenguinDon't commodify the struggle 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Literally the majority of subscribers did not sign the petition.

[–]JackissocoolLibertarian Hyper Marxarchist 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

0.13% isn't a majority?

[–]RagarkPastures of Plenty must always be free 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The petition is currently 3% for and 97% either against or unanswered.

[–]VoteAnimal2012Sankara 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

All of the mods were voted into position by users of this sub. They each had more votes than your shitty petition. Of course, you don't remember this, because you a brigader trying to make a name for yourself.

[–]JackissocoolLibertarian Hyper Marxarchist 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The mods were elected

[–]NudelburkProtracted People's War is the only way to make revolution -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

We don't accept your superficial changes.

Fuck off, you don't speak for the sub.

[–]VoteAnimal2012Sankara -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (5子コメント)

[–]TheDirtyKangarooLeft Communism 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Fuck you, baby killer.

Woah woah, where does this come from?

[–]VoteAnimal2012Sankara 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

They killed children for the US government.

[–]ayy_howzit_braddah 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Good try trying to defame me. Anyone with half a brain will click those links and see you're actually helping my cause.

Thank you for making my positions clear. I don't stand for safe spaces. I was forced into the military to avoid homelessness. I do not support banning for enforcing pronouns, and I do support the users of /leftypol/. I have no reason to hide. Shows how scared you are of change though, that you'll try to defame my character.

And I'm falsely banned. Cowards as always.

[–]DianthusesFeminist, Marxist, Libertarian 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You pretend to represent the will of the people of this sub by getting signatures from people who have never been active contributors and call yourself a "democractic movement" as if this was anything other than reactionary bollocks. This sub has been a safe space, stood up for gendered minorities (and their right to not be marginalized through misgendering) and in direct opposition to leftypol for years now. The hypocricy is astounding and your blatant disregard to even hide - and even pride in - your bigotry is not exactly helping your so-called "cause". It's real telling that a transphobic reactionary is leading the "democratic" reform of a socialist page.

[–]penscrape2 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Jesus. This sub is going the way of r/DebateACommunist.

[–]FedoraMast3rSabo Cat 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (4子コメント)

There is no reason to remove all the moderators for the actions of 3-4 individuals

It isn't just 3-4 individuals though, as the actions being taken by moderators for months now is what we are petitioning against, not just the recent events. Don't just lay the issues of the sub as stemming from the mods who have left, it is the majority of the mods who are the problem.

[–]JackissocoolLibertarian Hyper Marxarchist -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

If you think any of us will back down in our stances against bigotry, you're wrong. Previous decisions will stand.

[–]FedoraMast3rSabo Cat 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

When did I mention bigotry? I was referring to the rampant banning of everyone who had a slight ideological difference in reference to the policy of the sub

[–]penscrape2 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

You're being disingenuous and you know it. It's the lack of transparency and community involvement that bothers us.

[–]JackissocoolLibertarian Hyper Marxarchist 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

In the post above we state that we're literally going to make all of our mod mail public

[–]Toasty_Man115Anarcho-Communist 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I want to start off by saying I think the mods are taking a good first step. That being said, it isn't just 3 or 4 of you the community is angry at. The community is upset by all of your actions. Frankly the actions of everyone on the mod team has shamed /r/socialism in the reddit community as well as other leftist circles. If we ever want to be respected as a community again every mod needs to step down. If you were good you can run for re-election. Quotas can be implemented to protect minorities, we don't need dictatorship. I hope the mods understand these demands as rightful criticisms and that to regain any legitimacy we must infuse /r/socialism with radical democracy.

[–]Great_Ban_TheoryAnCom 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The resignation of all current /r/socialism mods ...cannot happen.

A lot of users here feel that the mod team as a whole stifles or prevents more conversation than it facilitates, and the only reason that your collective resignation "cannot happen" is because you are treating this as your personal fiefdom instead of a community to be listened to.

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[–]hobotnica 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Will you be publicly apologizing to the artist you defamed and banned?

[–]RedSeashells -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

the left is dead

[–]RevTolCommunisation -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Unban STS users.

[–]JackissocoolLibertarian Hyper Marxarchist 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

No

[–]hobotnica -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

/u/Jackissocool was the mod who upheld the ban, why hasn't he been removed?