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[–]SuitableDragonfly 26 ポイント27 ポイント  (85子コメント)

This isn't even science, let alone bad science

[–]bouchard 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (4子コメント)

brigading would fundamentally undermine the purpose of the sub, namely to point out highly rated posts that are shit.

Wouldn't that give SRSers an incentive to upvote, rather than downvote, whatever they link to?

[–]SuitableDragonfly 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Exactly

[–]Snowayne2[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It might, the data in the OP doesn't show either.

[–]PM_ME_SALTY_TEARS 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yeah, but they never accuse us of that.

(Obviously, we don't do either of those things, because we would have been banned a long time ago.)

[–]Snowayne2[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I should note, again, that I'm not accusing you of anything. Just that the OP draws a wrong conclusion from his data.

[–]Intortoise 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (4子コメント)

LOL op got called out and banned from srs and he's been super salty ever since

check his post history for some badscience regarding gender and sexuality

[–]Murrabbit 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Such is the story of basically everyone railing against SRS, especially the past five years or so where that particular sub and community has shrunk tremendously. It honestly surprises me that it continues to pop up in conversation now and again even to this day.

[–]Snowayne2[S] -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Except that isn't even true. I've made no judgement about SRS in this thread at all, all I've done is called out the bad science.

If you think me explaining the concept of gender - which is probably the most misunderstood term on the internet - to right-wingers is bad science that's fine, but I don't think I've ever talked about sexuality.

I'm also not sure why you think I'd be salty about a ban from SRS, I have no interest in participating there as they have a clear "no breaking the circlejerk" rule there.

[–]VestigialPseudogene 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I've read your "explanation of the concept of gender" and it's pure shit.

[–]Snowayne2[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's how the word is used in our department of clinical psychology, feel free to enlighten me on what we got wrong.

[–]Snowayne2[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (24子コメント)

R1: SRS is a sub that links to highly upvoted comments that they deem shitty. Some people claim they brigade linked posts, others deny these claims.

Since the linked posts are almost always recent and from much more popular subreddits, the natural influx of upvotes from the subs population will negate any amount of downvotes from smaller subs, so the statistic is pretty meaningless.

It would have been more interesting to look only at links to smaller subs and ones that aren't from posts that are still trending.

[–]SuitableDragonfly 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is basically what SRS has always said, AFAIK.

[–]mfb- 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (20子コメント)

The edit makes it even worse. Looking at very small subreddits could be interesting, but still not conclusive.

You would have to select a group of posts and then randomly submit or not submit them, and find a way to deal with posts that get submitted by others later.

Some of the posts have an interesting dynamics, e. g. line 89: 2767 votes -> -588 votes.

[–]Snowayne2[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (19子コメント)

Exactly. Judging by all the downvotes I got though, it seems like badscience doesn't think a control is needed for drawing any meaningful conclusions.

[–]overlordpotatoe 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Mostly because I don't think their point was really that the data absolutely proves there is no brigading, but rather that any effect they have is basically negligible. I see people on reddit treat SRS like some kind of fearsome, terrorising boogeyman, but I've never actually seen them do anything. Whether or not they made a popular comment slightly less popular doesn't really matter.

[–]Snowayne2[S] 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

In the linked thread it's stated pretty explicitly that this is supposed to show that SRS doesn't brigade.

The data doesn't even show that it's negligible! It's impossible to tell, for example there cpuld be a post that gained 400 upvotes after SRS and would have gained 800 without SRS.

I've also never heard anyone consider SRS a bogeyman, it's a small sub after all.

[–]overlordpotatoe 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

If comments that are popular before they're linked on SRS are still popular after they're linked on SRS, I'd say that it shows SRS isn't a significant player in the grand scheme of reddit brigading.

[–]Snowayne2[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sure, that's pretty much all you can conclude from this, that SRS doesn't completely swing votes. But it doesn't seem to me like that's what they are limiting their statement to (especially if you look at the edit).

[–]mfb- 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (14子コメント)

Maybe ShitRedditSays did vote brigading.

[–]Snowayne2[S] 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (13子コメント)

Seems likely, most of the badx subs have a lot of overlap with SRS.

[–]Kai_Daigoji 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (12子コメント)

Really? I haven't seen much, if any crossover between SRS and badhistory, badeconomics, or badphilosophy.

[–]Snowayne2[S] 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (11子コメント)

I only really frequent badmathematics and badscience, so I don't know for sure, but I've heard someone on SRS say that badeconomics isn't "part of the badpire" as a play on the SRS fempire. I might have understood it wrong though, /r/BadSocialScience certainly is.

[–]Kai_Daigoji 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (10子コメント)

/r/BadSocialScience certainly is.

Whenever people say stuff like this, I assume that by 'SRS-affiliated' you mean that the sub thinks that overt racism, sexism, etc., are bad. I've seen accusations of being 'part of SRS' in bad history, because we were calling out people saying 'white slavery' was worse than the Transatlantic slave trade.

[–]Snowayne2[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (8子コメント)

you mean that the sub thinks that overt racism, sexism, etc., are bad.

That's obviously not what I mean. If you sort by top of all time you will find mostly anti-gamer gate and feminist circlejerking, which are the classic SRS talking points. I don't see what's "bad social science" about a gamer gate poll on political orientation, for example.

[–]stairway-to-kevin 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (7子コメント)

find mostly anti-gamer gate and feminist circlejerking, which are the classic SRS talking points.

Those are also just reasonable stances that virtually any half-way intelligent person would hold.

Also if you'd read the GG survey post it lays out pretty clearly the rationale for the post.

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[–]enrjm 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

(from the SRS post) In short, we are an evil vote brigading sub. Good work, glory to the fempire.

Wow, I can see why you took this so seriously.

Some people claim they brigade linked posts, others deny these claims.

SRS is a small-ish sub and mostly posts links to very large subs, so I don't see how any meaningful brigading is possible. In my experience most of the "brigading" on reddit seems to happen when a post on a small sub gets popular enough to hit /r/all, at which point thousands of people flood in from outside the sub. Or when someone cross-posts something to a big sub and a small sub, and it attracts attention on both of them.

[–]Snowayne2[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Whether or not brigading is meaningful or going on in the first place in not the point. The point is that OPs conclusion can in no way be drawn from the presented data.

I don't think I'm the one taking this seriously. I merely pointed out a bit of highly upvoted bad science. The people calling me salty about SRS and a conspiracy theorist for no reason seem to take this more seriously.

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