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[–]KeyserSozen 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

There once was a monastery that was very strict. Following a vow of silence, no one was allowed to speak at all. But there was one exception to this rule. Every ten years, the monks were permitted to speak just two words. After spending his first ten years at the monastery, one monk went to the head monk. "It has been ten years," said the head monk. "What are the two words you would like to speak?" "Bed... hard..." said the monk.

"I see," replied the head monk.

Ten years later, the monk returned to the head monk's office. "It has been ten more years," said the head monk. "What are the two words you would like to speak?"

"Food... stinks..." said the monk.

"I see," replied the head monk.

Yet another ten years passed and the monk once again met with the head monk who asked, "What are your two words now, after these ten years?"

"I... quit!" said the monk.

"Well, I can see why," replied the head monk. "All you ever do is complain."

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[–]elbowbrunchPunch Flavor 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Here is the deal. Disagreement doesn't always mean you come to an understanding with someone. However, we all share this house here. So if someone comes in discussing Zen in which it is said 'No concepts is the way' and you say 'No look at it through this lens otherwise it's not Zen' then you are a fool. People know where the line is. That's my opinion, but I don't reply to every post that fits outside my paradigm and say 'You're a fool!'. Or even worse when someone comes in with a legit question and they immediately gets the obligatory, 'That's Buddhist, read the lineage texts'. Something like that would be considered harassment and definitely against the reddiquette in any other sub! If someone does this mods like /u/Temicco or /u/theksepyro or /u/truthier or whomever should consider this harassment and violation of rule #1.

Remember the human When you communicate online, all you see is a computer screen. When talking to someone you might want to ask yourself "Would I say it to the person's face?" or "Would I get jumped if I said this to a buddy?"

At least it should be discussed. If your stance is already widely known to the point where the discussion is usually about you why continue to reply to people? Isn't that spam? Let them have their threads and stick to yours. Are you worried this place will fall into Gurus talking about energy fields and magic? I think you'll find those people will get a healthy dose of skepticism and be called out. Look at this gem guy quotes the lineage texts and look what happens. I mean c'mon dude.

[–]grass_skirtacademic[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Totally agree. I like the straightforwardness of what you say here. It takes mental acrobatics not to see this stuff.

[–]chintokkong 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (35子コメント)

Oh, hahaha, I believe ewk has always been trying to build his own zen 'church' here that's based on specially curated words which only he is capable of interpreting.

I suspect he's a secret admirer of dogen but he doesn't dare admit it of course, hence the frequent denouncement. Reminds me of that military guy in the movie 'American Beauty'.

That's my 2-cent impression of him.

[–]grass_skirtacademic[S] 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

This theory is beautiful in its simplicity and explanatory power.

[–]TheSolarian 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (11子コメント)

Well, obviously. Dogen achieved something he'll never be capable of.

Sad really.

Difference being, Dogen was very committed, and trained very hard.

Ewk always tries to shriek that you don't need to train, to excuse his own laziness.

Give him ten years in a Zendo, and he might be alright.

[–]mackowskiim different if the music is -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (9子コメント)

how do you know he hasnt meditated extensively

[–]TheSolarian 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

People can 'meditate' for a very long time and not get very far.

Which is why, you really need a teacher unless you're that one in a million Bodhidharma talked about.

[–]mackowskiim different if the music is 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

We are all clearly ones in millions.

Us on the forum.

[–]Jetstream-SamGrand Marquis of titles 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (5子コメント)

How do you know he hasn't?

Also, he's called it mind pacifying religion in the past, and his stance on religion is fairly clear.

[–]mackowskiim different if the music is 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Meditation is exercise

[–]Jetstream-SamGrand Marquis of titles 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Sounds like something you should tell someone who isn't me

[–]mackowskiim different if the music is 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Ewk is the one who gave me that sentence!!!!

[–]Jetstream-SamGrand Marquis of titles 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Again, I didn't say ewk.

I meant that why would I be here if I didn't? It'd be madness to post constantly about something you dislike, no?

[–]mackowskiim different if the music is 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

the 'air in the forum' + ewk phenomena, and you hounding ewk emotionally was enough for me to assume relation to you not knowing that he thinks of meditation like its exercise.

but you might have been talking about something else. im not sure what your agenda is

[–]Dhammakayaram 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Like Dogen Ewk detests kensho.

[–]mackowskiim different if the music is -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

how is kensho different than enlightenment

[–]Dhammakayaram 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

which only he [Ewk] is capable of interpreting.

I think you've got something there. His book Not Zen shows all the intellectual clarity of something a pre-logical 7 year old might write.

[–]ewk -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (17子コメント)

Why does what you believe have any relevance here?

We've had people in this forum that believe in magic spells, psychic powers, and so forth. Your "beliefs" and theirs haven't had anything to do with Zen.

[–]Dhammakayaram 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (16子コメント)

Your "beliefs" and theirs haven't had anything to do with Zen.

I think you mean your version of Zen, Zen being the art and practice of mockery.

[–]ewk -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (15子コメント)

I tell people to read this: https://www.reddit.com/r/zen/wiki/lineagetexts

You hide behind alt_troll accounts, make claims based on no evidence, and choke when asked questions about what you believe.

[–]Jetstream-SamGrand Marquis of titles 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (14子コメント)

If it's so important, why's your name on it?

[–]ewk 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (13子コメント)

I think the mods wanted to have somebody to blame after the alt_troll wiki bot religious censorship fiasco.

[–]Jetstream-SamGrand Marquis of titles 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (12子コメント)

Are they the same ones that deleted your comments yesterday, or was that you?

[–]ewk 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (11子コメント)

I have no idea what you are talking about.

[–]Jetstream-SamGrand Marquis of titles 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (10子コメント)

https://www.reddit.com/r/zen/comments/5nal20/grass_skirts_complaints_about_the_forum/dcarckd/?context=3

Just thought it funny. Either you're a hypocrite or your beloved mods disagree.

(Prove it's me)

You know it was

[–]ewk 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (9子コメント)

The current activist mod and trolls deleting their comments... hand in glove.

[–]deepthinker420 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (41子コメント)

i really don't understand why ewk is still such a fucking big problem here. the solution is obvious and the ENTIRE mod team is too gutless or impotent to do it. it's not like he's that hard to spot when he sockpuppets

i say we need new management here

[–]singlefingerlaughing 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (24子コメント)

Who do you think are his sockpuppets?

[–]Jetstream-SamGrand Marquis of titles 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (23子コメント)

It's easy to find out. Disagree with him over multiple posts. Keep being right and pointing out flaws in his arguments. (I like to mix a little bait in there to keep it spicy)

Then, once he stops responding, suddenly, someone disagrees with you across multiple posts, defending ewk.

I'm not naming any names, I'm no Henricus Institoris. I encourage you to experiment though, and find out for yourself. Note how these accounts never do anything but agree with him, no other posts, no posts even agreeing with him, simply disagreeing with you while ewk doesn't post anything.

Edit: Probably shouldn't have mentioned it, if he reads this he might not do it anymore

[–]ZippityZoppity 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

I've agreed with ewk before and disagreed with him and I'm not a sock puppet.

[–]Jetstream-SamGrand Marquis of titles 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

That's good, but I never said you were

[–]ZippityZoppity 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

It seems a bit overly paranoid to assume that anyone that might defend ewk is a sock puppet. I think he makes valid points at times, but I'm not constantly posting in the forum because I prefer to lurk.

[–]Jetstream-SamGrand Marquis of titles 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Again, I never said everyone who defends him is. I laid out very specific criteria which has happened several times to me, and saying you should try it yourself rather than just believe me off the bat.

[–]mackowskiim different if the music is 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (6子コメント)

i highly doubt ewk has a brigade to pump him up, the guy doesnt care about image

if what im doing is being a sockpuppet then why do i only think that im explaining to you something conceptual you have yet to work out?

[–]Jetstream-SamGrand Marquis of titles 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (5子コメント)

A brigade is different to sockpuppets.

Sockpuppets is one person having accounts to big themselves up, not other people

Also, the puppeteer usually tries different typing styles, but often makes it very obvious.

Also, I didn't call you a sockpuppet. But you apparently think you are one for some reason.

[–]mackowskiim different if the music is 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (4子コメント)

So why do you think you're sure you recognise ewk behind those other accounts? I was thinking similarity and then I realized I was noticing writing patterns similar to different people. I've been taking notes on these occurrences.

[–]Jetstream-SamGrand Marquis of titles 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

How many (different) people post here?

[–]mackowskiim different if the music is 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

15-50 I think

[–]Jetstream-SamGrand Marquis of titles 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Probably about right, it says 36 active as of this post. Now, how many of those people have posted comments on other subreddits frequently?

And then, how many of these post their disagreements with ewk?

Then, who among these people agree with him, actually post anything talking to him?

Seems like a small group left, right?

[–]mackowskiim different if the music is 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

yeah, but that doesnt even suggest causally that its more likely that ewk has alts

[–]ewk -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (11子コメント)

Can you provide an example of you "being right"?

How about can you provide an example of you citing a source?

[–]Jetstream-SamGrand Marquis of titles -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (10子コメント)

Why should I?

[–]ewk -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (9子コメント)

There is no difference between your unfounded claims and the unfounded claims of Bigfoot researchers.

[–]Jetstream-SamGrand Marquis of titles 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (8子コメント)

Prove it

[–]ewk -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (7子コメント)

It's a tautology. "Unfounded claims" are those which have no basis.

They are all equal. Your belief in Bigfoot is the same as somebody else's belief in Buddha-Jesus.

[–]dec1phahZenIsPsychology...GetOverIt! 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

He's not a problem at all. Those who say he's a problem just can't handle the way he is: blunt and direct. There is nothing wrong about that.

Someone who wants to study and discuss zen, won't make progress without honesty.

[–]ewk 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

So if the mod team would ban somebody that you call names, then you wouldn't have to call people names?

If that's your argument then yeah, maybe you need to manage yourself differently. Why not study Zen while you are here?

[–]noofenrice bag 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Disagreeing with you isn't a bannable offence. This sub is for discussion of Zen, and that's what ewk contributes. He belongs here, and I'm not "sockpuppet." I disagree with him sometimes as well.

[–]deepthinker420 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

once again somebody conflates disagreement with hostility, childishness, and incivility. let me say it again: real conversation is possible even when people disagree; being a haughty jackass, especially an unproductive one, is never acceptable. end of story. period.

i want you all to stop throwing around this weak argument which conflates disagreement with being a haughty, arrogant dick who very rarely contributes anything of value or makes any real attempt to have a discussion. SERIOUSLY, are you people telling me that you LIKE seeing threads filled to the brim with this gradeschool shit??

[–]Sunn_Samaadh -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (5子コメント)

I agree. Complete mod overhaul with voting for new mods.

[–]mackowskiim different if the music is 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

censorship is good?

[–]Sunn_Samaadh 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Everything depends on context. Censorship is good in some contexts, bad in others.

[–]mackowskiim different if the music is 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

And how are moral matters settled?

[–]deepthinker420 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

i'm just going to make a new sub. years of this bullshit has shown that the mods are incapable and unwilling to do their jobs

[–]ewk -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Why not participate in the forum for awhile before announcing that, in your "wisdom", you've decided the forum is broken?

Why not contribute some content before claiming that the content here should be overhauled?

[–]mackowskiim different if the music is -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (2子コメント)

censorship is good?

[–]deepthinker420 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

you're not really so one-sided that any quality control and standards of basic decency amount to "censorship", are you? saying that we need a better moderation policy than "we're not the comment police" is not calling for censorship. do you think this ban was censorship? are you telling me you enjoy most of the crap that this sub is polluted with?

[–]mackowskiim different if the music is 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is good and it's hard to keep it this way by adding new influences to the moderator influence on the forum. It's going well, why ruin it? Keep the stable functioning anomaly.

[–]zaddar17th zen patriarch 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (9子コメント)

 

the meaning of life is to argue about it !

 

[–]grass_skirtacademic[S] 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

So much for meaning.

[–]Sunn_Samaadh 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

That's horrible!

And untrue 😊

[–]deepthinker420 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (5子コメント)

even calling what usually happens here "arguing" is generous. it's pathetic!

[–]grass_skirtacademic[S] 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (3子コメント)

I've had some interesting debates with people other than ewk, so it can't be said that healthy debate would cease in the absence of ewk.

If you consider the people who ewk identifies as his primary assailants eg. Dhammakayaram, KeyserSozen, myself, the late ozogot, the late Mujushingyo, Temicco and so on... we can't be said to agree with each other when it comes to other topics. There's a huge diversity of views, some very deep, to be found in that list alone.

The same would have to apply to anyone else who thinks ewk's contributions here are overrated.

[–]deepthinker420 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

i mean, yeah, real discussion happens sometimes, by some miracle of avoiding the usual incivility and haughtiness

ewk, in theory, i agree, could be a very useful member of this sub given his viewpoint, if only he wasn't so persistent, insufferable, uncivil, and unwilling to budge a single inch in a single discussion, even as an exercise in thought. to exaggerate that, as some do, and say that he's an important part of this sub is glossing over the fact that he's, among others, an important part of this sub's decline. unless he gets sat down and has a good talking to i don't see his behavior changing. even then, i can't really see him listening

[–]grass_skirtacademic[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

When ewk sticks to talking about what he knows, he can shine. When he obfuscates or acts in a puerile manner, there are legitimate complaints to be had. Let's not pretend, either, that complaining about that is "complaining about the forum" in a way that The Forum should feel offended by. ewk is not the forum, even if he does take up a lot of space.

[–]mackowskiim different if the music is -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

is anything pathetic?

[–]realmaitreyabuddha 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (8子コメント)

What complaints? ;=O

[–]grass_skirtacademic[S] 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Everyone here has complained about everyone else here at some point in a past life.

[–]mackowskiim different if the music is 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

past occasion*

[–]realmaitreyabuddha 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Not me! I didn't sacrifice myself to the mother tigress.

[–]woodrail℃ↂ_ↂↃ 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (4子コメント)

You are getting too caught up in this shit. This place is uncleanable by design. Don't fight it. When you fight it it rubs off on you. Just step back.

[–]grass_skirtacademic[S] 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (2子コメント)

You are getting too caught up in this shit.

I don't think you can say that from where you are sitting. Just because I'm in this forum and discussing its issues doesn't mean I feel personally defeated by these issues. I'm not a paragon of non-attachment, but my biggest attachments in this world do not include this forum. Don't mistake talkativeness with attachment. Especially when it comes from someone with a background in writing stuff.

So sure, step back is good advice. But you don't know me well enough to say how close or far back I really am.

Surely you must have noticed the irony in the title, and the playfulness of the posts themselves? Are you trying to stop me from having fun?!

[–]woodrail℃ↂ_ↂↃ 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

point taken

[–]grass_skirtacademic[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

And we should all bear your point in mind too, no arguments there!

[–]ewk -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

"Uncleanable" is Buddhism, not Zen.

We discussed this in a post about Critical Buddhism.

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[–]User_Simulator 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

It's all their own identity around the 495 belt? i have the +1 gathering than dessert disease resistance This type of content restricted here.

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[–]Sunn_Samaadh 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (51子コメント)

I think that Ewk uses very underhanded and subversive techniques to essentially just convince himself (and somehow others) of his "pwning" of other individuals. The truth is, his spam on the forum absolutely destroys freedom of discussion and freedom for ideas to be compared on an equal basis. It's because it's the perpetuation of conflict! Of which he always wants to be (and convinces himself that he is) the winner of.

It's a certain paradigm, a level of "discourse" that is of an incredibly low level. How can one tell? By seeing how underhanded, disrespectful, antagonizing and evasive ewks techniques are!!!

If anyone ever held ewk to the standard that he held others, the man would collapse like a wall of dust.

[–]ZippityZoppity 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (9子コメント)

ewk is not destroying this forum, and if you feel it's the case the only thing you have to do is avoid engaging him. So many people, whether he's trolling or not, take his bait and get in a huff about it.

The solution to this for you is quite obvious - if you don't like interacting with ewk then don't! Ignore or block him if you want to, make it so you can't see what he writes. Let go of ewk and enjoy the forum you want to.

[–]thevaguerant 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

i feel like his presence is precisely important on a zen forum because of that.

if you have a tendency to fall for trollbait, ewk is the least of your problems in understanding zen

[–]ZippityZoppity 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I agree - the whole controversy around him is illuminating.

Edit: Having said that - I don't think the forum would suffer any more or less with or without ewk. It seems a lot of people are tied up in their own suffering.

[–]mackowskiim different if the music is 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (6子コメント)

/u/negativegpa another 'bait' theory proponent!!!

[–]NegativeGPA 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Now let's see if these guys in their discussion here are attacked by people who dislike ewk

[–]ZippityZoppity 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I don't think that ewk is really baiting people in a trolling manner - I think he is sincere in the words he writes.

Regardless, people will bite onto ewk's line and both will be taken for a ride. Afterwards, they deride him and complain to some authority when they themselves are the highest authority on how they effect themselves.

[–]mackowskiim different if the music is 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

What if he adds on an extra taunt like, 'choke', to hook emotional people. Once hooked for a while they wake up and realize they are pulling on the hook because ewk left the room a while ago.

[–]ewk 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Can you show me an OP that you consider spam?

[–]TheSolarian 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (36子コメント)

No. What you are saying is untrue.

The truth is, his spam on the forum absolutely destroys freedom of discussion and freedom for ideas to be compared on an equal basis.

This is not true. Ewk's derangement meets the weak minds of people in this place, and they crumble.

I do not.

If the people using this place were more robust, Ewk would be barely tolerated and nothing more.

He already collapsed into a wall of dust a long time ago. No one knows more how completely fradulent ewk is, than ewk.

[–]Jetstream-SamGrand Marquis of titles 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (13子コメント)

The way I see it, r/Zen is like a nice house. Many of the people in the house are very like minded, and like to discuss matters that interest most of them.

Ewk sits in a corner of the house, using it as a personal bathroom despite that not being it's design. He then flings shit everywhere, ruining the room, and making it a generally unpleasant place to be.

Sure, you can ignore it. You could even avoid the room entirely. But why should you have to? There are people who are supposed to clean this up, and they aren't doing it. They seem to be actively supporting it, since he's been shitting in the house in the exact same way for 4 years.

You can also say people are weak willed for not wanting to be around the constant stink of shit, but why should they have to? Why should anyone have to put up with it? I like making fun of him, but imagine you were new to the house. You wanted to learn about what most people are talking about, but then someone runs up to you, and proffers a book in his shit coated claw, demanding a couple of bucks for it. Does that sound fun?

Yes, it's a crude way of putting it. But it's very easy to visualise.

[–]TheSolarian 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (12子コメント)

Hardly. /r/Zen is not what I would call a nice house.

Ewk shit flinging, would mean nothing if people did not catch it and rub it on their faces.

I do not 'ignore' ewk, but neither do I pretend that he is anything other than deluded, and thus, he does not bother me at all.

The people that 'should' have cleaned it up, clearly lack the capacity to do so. They have become agitated in the face of his derangement, when they should have simply seen what is.

No.

People are weak willed for pandering to the idiocy. That is what I meant.

You do not have to 'put up' with it. You can simply ignore it. But, if you make the mistake many others have made and think that you can 'reason' with someone that deranged, you will only upset yourself.

I never make the mistake of assuming a 'good argument' well get through to ewk, and thus, I am not perturbed by his carryings on.

Ewk deludes the weak minded, and those who should have known better, have allowed him to flourish, when they should have put a stop to this years ago.

Alas, /u/Ozogot did good work in this regard, and the mods banned him.

[–]ZippityZoppity 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

The weak minded delude themselves.

[–]TheSolarian 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Not quite. Unless you're really incredibly advanced, you have all sorts of delusions which arises for all sorts of reasons.

[–]ZippityZoppity 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I would argue that at the root of it they are getting in their own way.

[–]Jetstream-SamGrand Marquis of titles 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (7子コメント)

My point was that it would be much better if nobody were flinging shit.

Since he won't stop, and ignoring it causes more shit to be flung, then someone who can stop it, should.

It's possible to ignore, sure. But people coming in with an intention to learn might be scared off by it. I also don't deign to judge how weak willed people are. I don't see the point in pointless barriers to entry.

[–]TheSolarian 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Do you think so?

Let's say I can stop him so dead in his tracks that he leaves the forum forever.

Do you think that would be 'good'?

The barriers to entry are not 'pointless'. Chan and Zen are difficult paths that require a great deal of vigour and strength, especially when facing one's nature, which for many isn't particularly pleasant.

The training in various schools can be particularly severe, and with good reason, and if people can't rise up to face that challenge, they had best learn inner strength and dedication.

Ewk is in a sense, and adventitious affliction that has arisen and prospered due to the actions of the people on this forum, when I joined, he had clearly driven many people off the forum, most obviously those he viewed as a 'threat'.

[–]Jetstream-SamGrand Marquis of titles 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (5子コメント)

It wouldn't be good for me since I couldn't laugh anymore but if it helps even one person get on the path, then yes, it is good.

The barriers are pointless. It's not scientology. Facing your own nature is only as bad as you make it.

The teachings need only be severe if you aren't learning them. If you do, how can it be severe?

Considering his apparent massive ego including constantly quoting himself, banning him might at least make him take a step back. Probably not, but yolo. And the ensuing meltdown would be entertaining.

[–]TheSolarian 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (4子コメント)

I cannot clearly judge. Consider that he is also a sentient being.

No.

The barriers are not pointless.

No.

You are mistaken.

He is already melting down.

[–]Jetstream-SamGrand Marquis of titles 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Debatable. The user simulator is barely discernable from his actual posts sometimes.

Oh, okay. Have fun with them then.

Yeah, but I prefer a fast burn.

[–]TheSolarian 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

It is tricky.

No.

I already moved beyond such barriers. I have no need for the any longer.

Your preferences, as with everyone, mislead you.

[–]mackowskiim different if the music is 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

'i am not weak'

[–]NegativeGPA 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

I assert that there is irony in your entire mindset on this, not to make fun of you, but in the hopes that you may investigate it and look for it

If it's not there, then, hey, I was wrong and you got to do some soul searching

If it's there, then hey, you got to do some soul searching

[–]TheSolarian 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I assert that you really need to grasp the irony of your comment.

[–]ewk 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (14子コメント)

I've invited you to AMA about your beliefs and so far you've been unwilling to anonymously discuss your faith.

Your inability to be forthright in discussions about your beliefs and practices invalidates your claims about people who are willing to discuss their beliefs.

[–]TheSolarian 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (13子コメント)

Ewk, you are quite possibly the least 'forthright' person that uses this forum.

It has been explained to you many time why people are not interested in your delusions about AMA, but you still cling to it.

[–]ewk 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (12子コメント)

Try going over to /r/doctor, giving bogus medical advice, and then chickening out when somebody asks you to AMA about your medical background.

Posers like you make me seem like a debate champion! Keep bringing your weak sauce "ewk this" "ewk that" crybabying all day long.

I'll school you right.

[–]TheSolarian 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (11子コメント)

Ewk, you're not a debate champion. You're not even particularly skilled at debating.

The one that 'crybabies' as many have pointed out, is you.

[–]ewk -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (10子コメント)

Can't AMA? Can't claim to be a debate judge.

It must be tough for you to be such a coward and then meet someone like me.

[–]TheSolarian 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (9子コメント)

Wooo. Now that's some severe displacement and projection right there.

Still struggling with your AMA delusions clearly.

[–]ewk 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (8子コメント)

You use outdated terms from discredited and abandoned psychological theories... I'm guessing that you haven't studied Zen before, and that's why you are afraid to AMA.

Are you going to go back to pretending that reddit doesn't have an AMA tradition?

lol.

[–]TheSolarian 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Hardly outdated and they very clearly apply to you.

Once again, you spin your delusions out of whole cloth.

[–]Sunn_Samaadh -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Great! You can escape Ewks influence, and remain unaffected by his presence, but guess what, this is an online forum and a community with an aim. Ewk destroys the ability for open discourse as he's generally spending 23 hours everyday here attacking people and their viewpoints and shaping the culture and has somehow set himself up as an authority figure. Not only that, but his behaviour demands moderation, yet there is no moderation. You can be all "oh doesn't effect me, look at all these pussy's, they just need to figure out how to be unaffected". No, this is a problem with moderation.

[–]TheSolarian -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sort of.

This is firstly a problem with people using this place. As one example, take his shrieking about AMA. People pander to that due to his bullying them into it, I remain unmoved. No matter how much he shrieks about it, I don't feel any need to participate in his delusions.

Now, people can always just not respond to his ravings. That's a very easy approach. However, people are so wrapped up in how 'wrong' ewk is, that they really can't help themselves, and it is tricky because he's so out of line and so deluded, that it is tempting to succumb to the fallacy that you can 'win' an argument with someone that deranged.

Do you see that ever happening?

No matter how clear it is, ewk will always run away and engage in some of the most severe displacement and projection I've ever seen on the internet.

It's a problem with people's internal moderation I'd say, and that the people who know better haven't acted to promote the good while restricting the bad.

The moderators....well. They are as they are, and you can't necessarily change them, but you can change your approach.

[–]grass_skirtacademic[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

This kind of "discourse" would be entertaining if it was done ironically, cleverly, and humorously.

[–]Sunn_Samaadh -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I can't ever think well of such a discourse, nor see it's uses as a tool of irony without the unnamed individual not being around. Maybe I'm just thinking about discourse differently.

I see the discourse being just a very primal ego game. So actually yeah, could be satirized to benefit, but only when the object of satirization is prevalent.

[–]grass_skirtacademic[S] -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I did say "if" in that comment! The conditions that would make it funny or worthwhile are not present, that I can see, either.

[–]rockytimberWei 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (11子コメント)

Is this how you up your game? How about honestly addressing some of the real questions that have been posted about the "academic" agenda you would like to impose on r/zen? Why so threatened by any user that you can so easly block if you chose to?

some of the questions and points that you have avoided:

https://www.reddit.com/r/zen/comments/5n4lsh/peter_gregory_on_is_critical_buddhism_really/dc9inby/?context=3

https://www.reddit.com/r/zen/comments/5mt5lw/announcement_of_a_ban/dc8r9y2/?context=3

etc.

[–]KeyserSozen 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (6子コメント)

He already said that he's blocked you for being an anti-trans bigot and time-waster. That's why your asinine questions aren't getting any traction. Must sting, huh?

[–]rockytimberWei -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Oh, really, I must have missed that. It figures that you consider yourself his spokesman now. Such funny allies turn up. Besides, whats wrong with eunuchs? I mean, assuming it was their choice?

[–]KeyserSozen 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Nah, I'm just trying to ease your suffering. You don't have to anxiously wait for answers that won't come. Just accept that they won't.

[–]rockytimberWei -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Such skillful means. /s Passive aggressive is already admitting that you can only operate from a place of deception.

Every natural force in nature, the mountains, rivers, winds, and fires need no explanation for what they do. Yet there will be those who try to spin out some kind of personal territory from which to gain a foothold.

[–]KeyserSozen 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yet there will be those who try to spin out some kind of personal territory from which to gain a foothold.

Yeah, like claiming that Bankei didn't quite get it, or that Yuanwu wrote so much Buddhist nonsense because he was afraid of losing his job...

The "personal territory" for you is "Joshu's courtyard", and you situate yourself right there, under the tree with him and your dog and the sixth patriarch (ewk) and all the rest of the "zen characters" (including, what, Seinfeld and the dog whisperer??).

And outside of your safe space are the hordes of Buddhists, and the NSA, and the CIA, and "Obummer" -- all secretly plotting to bring down your Trade Center.

When will you realize that it's an inside job, and it's all been you, Johnny, all along -- setting the thermite and rigging the whole structure to blow?

[–]rockytimberWei -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Dude, take your meds, man. I have rarely seen so much make believe in a single comment.

[–]mackowskiim different if the music is 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

youve got that ewk-bite powa

[–]Dhammakayaram 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

A quickie digest of Rocky's theory of Buddhism and Zen.

  1. Buddhism is pie-in-the-sky bullshit (i.e., religious mumbo-jumbo).

  2. Zen is about "looking,", "seeing," "washing," "squatting," "pooping," "falling," "dying," etc. in other words, Zen is really an intransitive verb (does not need a direct object to complete its meaning).

  3. Zen started in China, Buddhism hijacked it and put the mumbo-jumbo into it such as kensho.

  4. Ewk and Rocky are teaching true Zen.

[–]ewk -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Alt_troll account starts complaining about the conduct of people who don't get banned or delete their accounts.

[–]zenthrowaway17 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Everything is fine then!

Perfect.

[–]woodrail℃ↂ_ↂↃ 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (8子コメント)

You could call this forum an excellent school where we are taught about words and our relationship with words. The limits of language. Reaction to words. Attachment and detachment. Stuff like that.

And /u/ewk is professor Snape.

[–]ewk -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (7子コメント)

That's the nicest thing you've ever said about me.

I can't help but be concerned that you aren't... well... familiar with the text?

[–]woodrail℃ↂ_ↂↃ 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (6子コメント)

I would rather study that to which the text refers. Mind and such. It is the straighter dope.

[–]ewk 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Sure. And good luck to you in finding a forum where you can claim you do that.

[–]woodrail℃ↂ_ↂↃ 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (4子コメント)

I am not so much interested in defending claims as exchanging views and practical tips. I prefer conversations to fights.

You seem to prefer fights. Am I right?

[–]ewk 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

No. I'm interested in studying Zen.

When somebody doesn't want to do that, but wants to use the name "Zen" to discuss something they made up, then I'm not going to fight with them, how could I? They aren't honest.

I cut them down.

[–]woodrail℃ↂ_ↂↃ 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

You spent 6 words telling me that you are interested in studying Zen, and then you spent 38 words telling me about these dishonest fellows whom you "cut down".

You can't argue with word counts. You like fighting.

[–]Linchimodo 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

🔔

reply with silence to silence the bell

[–]ewk 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I like how you think that the words I use when talking to you don't have something to do with you, specifically.

[–]TheSolarian -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Grassskirt...you post this shit without remorse?

Trolling.

When the subject is Zen Buddhism, however, no one wants to admit to having any kind of negative emotional response to anything.

What fuckery is this? Only complete fuckwitted ego bound dunderheads won't admit to negative emotional response to certain stimuli, and not everyone is a fuckwitted ego bound dunderhead.

Erk

"Erk" is not well and is basically clueless. Not even a dilettante, pretending to an understanding completely beyond them. Why make posts about someone? The fault lies with the incompetent clods wrapped up in their deranged delusions, not with them. "Erk" is not well.

Go and try and salvage your doctrine.

Derp.

Do chandroids dream of electric baldheads?

I really like Phillip K. Dick.

[–]grass_skirtacademic[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (4子コメント)

What fuckery is this? Only complete fuckwitted ego bound dunderheads won't admit to negative emotional response to certain stimuli, and not everyone is a fuckwitted ego bound dunderhead.

You know, you're right about this. I guess complaining about people who do this isn't "complaining about the forum" after all.

[–]TheSolarian 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

No. You're right to point out that people do that, but not all people do that. That was my point, and also...that people who do that need to wake up.

[–]grass_skirtacademic[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Ring the bell

[–]Linchimodo 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

GONG!

reply with silence to silence the bell

[–]TheSolarian 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

People stick their heads in a bag, and proclaim that the Sun doesn't shine.

Thing is though, it does.