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[–]Babbit_B 30 ポイント31 ポイント  (7子コメント)

I think it's worth considering that as someone who got sucked into a destructive movement and made it out the other side, you're potentially in a really strong position to sway others who haven't (yet) been able to muster the same fortitude. You understand what it's like to feel lonely and unwanted, and have experienced firsthand how that can progress into bitterness. But you're also clear-sighted enough to have recognised that you were going down a really bad path.

Perhaps you can reach out to others who don't subscribe to the more disgusting elements of inceldom and associated movements and help them to see how unproductive it is? You'd better believe the alt-right are recruiting young men who are specifically gathered together because they think nobody wants or values them. My god, they couldn't ask for easier pickings. "We want you. We value you. You're right - the world is out to get you, but we're on your side." You could be a voice that opposes that, you know?

That said, I of course wouldn't encourage you to engage with that kind of rhetoric again, even in opposition to it, unless you feel strong and confident enough. It's not an easy thing to do, and you might not be there just yet (which is nothing to feel bad about at all), but it's something you could consider in the future.

Regardless, I'm really happy you've managed to break away from a poisonous mindset. I think you'll find it makes you much happier in the long run :-)

[–]LoserGodsThrowaway[S] 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Thank you! And, even if my dating life hasn't changed much, I've learned to be confident in myself, quit hating my appearance, and enjoy life. And, after one bad relationship, I kinda enjoy being single.

Now, I have tried changing the others there, but, unless I give in to their warped rhetoric all I get is "GET OUT (black) NORMIE, REEEEEEE" and that's about it.

[–]Babbit_B 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

When it comes to changing minds, you're not necessarily trying to sway the person you're directly talking to. I suspect we'd all be pretty astonished by how many people silently lurk in communities and never actively engage. Those are the people you're trying to reach, and if you're a happy, confident, compassionate guy who keeps his head while responding to someone who is bitter, nasty and spewing vitriol, that will make an impact. You might never see the results, but the people who make the most difference aren't always the most visible.

Again, though, that's only if you're in a place where you're comfortable doing that. Especially since you're having to deal with racism along with all the other poison.

[–]SavageHuxleyLevel 42069 Social Justice Necromancer 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm in practically the exact same boat as you, except I'm white. Was totally a resentful "forever alone", sexually frustrated, envious dickhead. Therapy (and hallucinogens interestingly enough) really helped me stop over thinking and being heavily self critical. I learned to not worry so much about what I was doing or saying and allow myself to be vulnerable. One of the most important things though, and one I still sometimes struggle with, was learning to forgive myself and my past actions.

[–]Babbit_B [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Hey thar. Just to say I'm sorry you're being insulted and picked at in the idiot subs that have linked to this. Keep your chin up, okay?

[–]SavageHuxleyLevel 42069 Social Justice Necromancer 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

You've done a great job at describing the similar recruiting methods of the alt-right and radical Islam. Both prey on vulnerable young men who are sexually frustrated, feel entitled, and suspicious of power structures and changing norms that they think are out to get them.

[–]Babbit_B 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

In broader terms, it's the same way any cult recruits. Target vulnerable, disenfranchised people (or people who believe they are disenfranchised) who respond positively to authoritarianism/perceived strength. Isolate them, then funnel them through increasingly extreme variations on the cult's central tenets.

[–]KaseyKasem100% Real Ayncrap Gun Nut 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

But you're also clear-sighted enough to have recognised that you were going down a really bad path.

That's why I'm here, too. Having been part of several echo-chambers, it just turns you into a rude and hateful person, and I didn't like it.

[–]AngryDM 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You sound a bit like an ex-smoker who particularly hates smoking.

Which is a good thing.

Hopefully you can reach some incels, somehow, and pull them out of the shit swamp they're wallowing in and drinking like fish.

[–]uptotwentycharacters [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

I'd probably qualify as an incel myself - definitely to a greater extent than those who are only "celibate" because they're unwilling to date anyone who isn't an 8+/10 virgin - but I've never felt part of the incel community, and found several of the attitudes that are common in that community to be ridiculous. They seem to have this obsession on height for example, some going as far as saying that anyone shorter than 6 feet isn't going to be romantically successful. A lot of them also have this redpill/MGTOW mentality that basically says "women are denying men sex by being promiscuous", which is obvious doublethink. Basically they're complaining that women are now free to choose their partners (or to avoid entering a monogamous relationship at all, if that's what they want), and aren't choosing them. They're unwilling to take responsibility for their own lives, and have this attitude that if romantic success isn't being handed to them on a silver platter, then society is unjust, never realizing that "normies" have to work for success to. That seems to be the dividing line between incels and unattractive normies, this sense of romantic entitlement. Normies either decide that they want to be romantically successful, and so decide to work at it and avoid being discouraged by failures, or decide that romantic success isn't that important to them and focus on other things. The incel community on the other hand seems to insist that romantic success is the be-all and end-all of everything, yet think that having to put in effort for it is some sort of great injustice.

[–]Babbit_B [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Basically they're complaining that women are now free to choose their partners (or to avoid entering a monogamous relationship at all, if that's what they want), and aren't choosing them.

"A slut is a woman who'll sleep with anyone. A bitch is a woman who'll sleep with anyone but me."

[–]LipstickPaper [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

You should do a AMA as a former incel! That would be cool.

[–]mokoneko_ 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (6子コメント)

this isn't totally on topic but I don't know if I understand what it means to "be" incel? it feels like the moment you adopt a title like that it's no longer very involuntary. maybe I'm missing something, or maybe it's all just nonsense and I give it all way too much thought

[–]AngryDM 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (2子コメント)

"Incel" means that a person that was feeling lonely has decided to wallow in self-righteous hatred of women (and men, because other men are getting laid) instead of trying something else.

[–]throwaway3456505 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

It really isn't, it's entirely possible to find people who call themselves 'incels' and don't hate the rest of the world. The main thing the community provides is mutual understanding of a certain mindset, being sad when you see happy couples, feeling as if you're life is meaningless without others, that sort of thing. Bitterness and misogyny are unattractive traits, so that's who we end up with, but that's not the point of the place. This is also why we're not really interested in listening to someone like op, unless he can demonstrate some actual understanding of the way we feel, he just gets dismissed as another 'normie'.

[–]AngryDM [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

"it's entirely possible to find people who call themselves 'incels' and don't hate the rest of the world"

It's also entirely possible for a Ku Klux Klan member to really like the weekend picnics and enjoy the bake sales with selective blinders against that racism stuff.

In both cases, no, I'm not going to like or trust the hate-group.

[–]LoserGodsThrowaway[S] 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Basically for dudes that have a hard time dating

[–]RYCBAR 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think they mean like at what point do you stop being "guy who hasn't had sex" to "I need a title for this that makes me a huge victim here"

[–]LoserGodsThrowaway[S] 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The point when you decide there's a world wide conspiracy trying to stop you from getting laid.

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[–]HeliumEgo [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

Former incel isnt a thing, he just became a cucked normie but he is still incel

So when you have sex you ACTUALLY get "cucked"

Interesting...

[–]beer_goblin [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

You can't fool me, it's cucks all the way down

[–]HeliumEgo [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

We're ALL incels on this blessed day

[–]beer_goblin [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

My blessed son started as a sex-haver, but now is the loudest incel on the internet

[–]AngryDM [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

"HAHAHAHA! Those normies are fooled! Little do they know that that incel was actually a normie, and did not pass our ideological purity tests! We, the real thing, are much more hateful and self-destructive! HAHAHAHA!"

Get a grip, incels. The problem is you, not feeeeeeeeeeeeemales.

[–]HeadfulOfHollow [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

I don't really understand the incel movement, or MGTOW either. I'm celibate, but that's mostly by choice - I've had opportunities to have sex. In my case, I have a whole heap of personal problems I'd like to fix before getting into a relationship (depression, social anxiety etc) and think it'd be unfair to burden a partner with that. So the problem lies with me. I don't see why you would hate or blame every other women in the entire world. Do I sometimes feel sad or lonely, or even angry? Sure, but to hate an entire gender of people because of it is very silly and seems a rather poisonous mindset which could only lead to further bitterness, hatred and resentment.

I don't know, all this nonsense, I never see it outside of the internet. Go for a walk, people are generally okay.

[–]Babbit_B [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Go for a walk, people are generally okay.

/internet

[–]SurfaceProne 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (19子コメント)

*Check history*

18

Dude you were never an incel. Calling yourself an incel before you're even in your 20s is a little premature.

[–]AngryDM 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (18子コメント)

What a piece of work.

You're going to bat to heroically defend incels by pulling a No True Scotsman about who was and wasn't one.

I remember you, too. You were trying to spray your apologist bootlicking diarrhea all over the sub for your homeboys Bill Gates and Elon Musk.

Hating women and worshipping billionaire techbros is no way to go through life, son.

[–]jerkstorefranchisee [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

lol dude you are not one to tell people how to go through life

[–]SurfaceProne [スコア非表示]  (16子コメント)

Whoa, someones angry.

You were trying to spray your apologist bootlicking diarrhea all over the sub for your homeboys Bill Gates and Elon Musk.

Yeah, I'm such an asshole for liking people who support green technology and eliminating poverty.

[–]AngryDM [スコア非表示]  (8子コメント)

It took you that long to dredge up a "U MAD?" meme?

Rethink your life.

[–]SurfaceProne [スコア非表示]  (7子コメント)

Rethink your life.

247,270 comment karma

Hello pot, let me introduce you to my friend kettle.

[–]AngryDM [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

Everyone has hobbies.

Yours seem to be recycling old memes to try to further your tiresome and uninspired beliefs.

[–]SurfaceProne [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

recycling old memes

What?

[–]AngryDM [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

The "U MAD". It's a tired old meme and says more about you than it does about me.

You tried to make a big deal about my comment karma, but consider this, Sparky: even with that comment karma, I have a modest but satisfactory career and a functioning romantic life.

What's your excuse, "incel"?

The problem is you and your choices.

[–]SurfaceProne [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

Were the fuck did I say I was an incel? Unless the definition changed and getting divorced retroactively makes me an incel.

[–]AngryDM [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Ah, then you're just bitter about women, whined that the guy that wrote the thread can't possibly have been an incel, and then went into some weird sidetrack about how billionaire superheros will deliver you paradise and presumably robo-waifus.

[–]AngryDM [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

"eliminating the poverty"

If you think a billionaire sociopath that funds his own cult of personality with a publically-funded PR department that abuses and mistreats his workers is "eliminating the poverty" chances are you thought Trump would "drain the swamp" too.

Hahahahaha

[–]SurfaceProne [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

I think you're confusing Steve Jobs with Bill Gates.

One of them is trying to get as many rich people to donate their wealth. The other ended the Apple charity donation match program.

[–]AngryDM [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

Stop trying to find a new billionaire superhero that will save you if you throw enough money at him.

https://quora.com/Elon-Musk/What-is-it-like-to-work-with-Elon-Musk/answers/5559684

http://detroitnews.com/story/opinion/2016/05/09/elon-musk-tesla-crony/84169496/

https://bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-09-09/elon-musk-making-enemies-fast-in-town-hosting-space-x-launches

If you're moving the goalposts to some other billionaire self-propagandizing superhero, here's a little about Bill Gates:

http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Gates_Foundation_Critique

[–]SurfaceProne [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

https://quora.com/Elon-Musk/What-is-it-like-to-work-with-Elon-Musk/answers/5559684

Yeah, working for a "glamorous" tech firm is a lot of work. Most people their are highly qualified people who could easily get high paying jobs else were. Yet they keeping working there of their own free will.

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/opinion/2016/05/09/elon-musk-tesla-crony/84169496/

This read like a Fox News article complaining about green energy subsides.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-09-09/elon-musk-making-enemies-fast-in-town-hosting-space-x-launches

This seems to be a problem in inherent with space flight. Space flights have to be launched somewhere and doing it in the middle of nowhere is preferable to doing near a population center. It's the same NIMBYism that makes people want to block windmills and airports. NASA had a similar problems with the Kennedy Space Center.

http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Gates_Foundation_Critique

The site posted is BS. They act like (((Bill Gates))) is trying to take over the media and schools. You might as well have linked to Breitbart as "proof".

You seem to do a really good job of reinforcing the conservative narrative that socialists just hate rich people. Tell me, are you a shill for the Koch Brothers?

[–]AngryDM [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Keep being lonely, bitter, and praying for billionaires to rescue you from your problems.

Keep rejecting any information that doesn't fit your ideology because it'd be scary to be wrong.

[–]SurfaceProne [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Ad hominem, short for argumentum ad hominem, is a logical fallacy in which an argument is rebutted by attacking the character, motive, or other attribute of the person making the argument, or persons associated with the argument, rather than attacking the substance of the argument itself.

[–]AngryDM [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

SurfaceProne uses Dictionary Assault.

It's not very effective.