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[–]Czech Republicmikatom 37 ポイント38 ポイント39 ポイント 2時間前 (24子コメント)
As ancient Romans said "it's barbaric and mutilation". Never understood, why is it performed beside health reasons. In the USA, it's like tradition or something.
[–]Thinkmoreaboutit 13 ポイント14 ポイント15 ポイント 2時間前 (21子コメント)
Circumcision: The Whole Story - 19:44
[–]Czech Republicmikatom [スコア非表示] 1時間前* (20子コメント)
Thanks. So, it was invented by conservatives to prevent masturbation and falsely claimed to cure some diseases :)). Why am I not surprised. Now, it's money source for some doctors. Again, not surprised.
[–]BelgiumBoomtown_Rat [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (19子コメント)
So, it was invented by conservatives to prevent masturbation
Sure hasn't stopped me...
[–]huh?ScriptThat [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (0子コメント)
yeah, well just imagine how raw you'd be if you weren't circumcised.
[–]European Unionstefantalpalaru [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (17子コメント)
You know how you have to use lube so it doesn't hurt? We don't.
[–]NorwayCemetary [スコア非表示] 49分前 (0子コメント)
No we don't
[+]BelgiumBoomtown_Rat スコアが基準値未満のコメント[スコア非表示] 1時間前 (15子コメント)
Wow, always have I been jealous of people being able to squeeze their penile sheath closed and masturbate like their dick is in a sock. Really lots to be jealous of.
[–]GreeceRemon_Kewl [スコア非表示] 59分前 (8子コメント)
Like when you use your hand? Hah, so hard to take you seriously.
[+]BelgiumBoomtown_Rat スコアが基準値未満のコメント[スコア非表示] 57分前 (7子コメント)
Nope, did I say puppet? Fun fact: since you're too busy deciding how circumcised people should feel without experiencing that yourself, did you know we don't have to squeeze the fucking extra skin against ourself for it to work?
[–]GreeceRemon_Kewl [スコア非表示] 54分前* (6子コメント)
What puppet? You probably didn't get what I meant.
did you know we don't have to squeeze the fucking extra skin against ourself for it to work?
No, you squeeze with your hand.
[+]BelgiumBoomtown_Rat スコアが基準値未満のコメント[スコア非表示] 53分前 (5子コメント)
...you know you have to use a hand to squeeze, right?
[–]European Unionstefantalpalaru [スコア非表示] 58分前 (5子コメント)
squeeze their penile sheath closed and masturbate like their dick is in a sock
Honey, you have a lot to learn about dicks. You should at least watch some porn before impersonating a guy on the internet.
[–]BelgiumBoomtown_Rat [スコア非表示] 56分前 (4子コメント)
Ah, so you care that much that you scan for whether the dude is cut or not, eh honey?
[–]European Unionstefantalpalaru [スコア非表示] 51分前 (3子コメント)
Go on and start watching. You'll soon learn what erection is.
[–]BelgiumBoomtown_Rat [スコア非表示] 50分前 (2子コメント)
Oh good, then I can probably see most of your people on there.
[–]Greecebuddybiscuit [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (1子コメント)
Like the running of the bulls or foie gras? Luckily those aren't controversial topics in Europe at all!
[–]Europebulbonicplague [スコア非表示] 30分前 (0子コメント)
Hands off my delicious foie gras.
[–]Ja sam Srbin i srpskoga roda!TvrtkoIKraljSrbljem 76 ポイント77 ポイント78 ポイント 3時間前* (105子コメント)
I completely agree with their decision. Unless there is a medical necessity, it should be unacceptable to impose a painful body-altering procedure on a baby. Such a practice is simply incompatible with European values. I would go so far as to say that it's a violation of human rights.
I once read this piece in the NY times that described the practice among the Bosniak minority in Kosovo that I found very troubling:
Screams of pain and pulsating music punctuated the day, but Kasi said, "Our trust in God gives the boys strength to overcome the pain." In the Bajrami household, Sehizada Bajrami, 23, was visibly distressed as Shishko entered and approached Selhan, her 30-month-old son. With tears running down her cheeks, she whimpered, "I can't decide what I feel."
I'm sorry, but this sort of barbarity should not be tolerated in Europe today.
[+]BelgiumBoomtown_Rat スコアが基準値未満のコメント-52 ポイント-51 ポイント-50 ポイント 2時間前* (104子コメント)
Acting like circumcision practiced on 30 month old boys by what essentially account to tribesmen is akin to what happens in the US is just a fallacious false equivalency. I'll never understand what it is about circumcision that causes post-adolescent males to brigade against it like nothing else (wish people cared even half as much about say, the well being of animals or the impoverished as some people do about foreskins).
For what it's worth, in the US: by the time we're even slightly old enough to even understand what a foreskin is, we never even knew we had it removed, nor do we care. What, I want to orgasm even quicker during sex?
Besides, having lived for over four years now I've had plenty of European women hesitantly reveal to me that they found uncircumcised penises to be a lot more unnerving than the circumcised variety.
Edit: since I keep seeing this argument thrown around: it doesn't leave any scars. Telling me how it's all scarred and calloused just proves to me even more so that someone has no idea what they're talking about.
[–]The NetherlandsGrelow 53 ポイント54 ポイント55 ポイント 2時間前 (49子コメント)
Acting like circumcision practiced on 30 month old boys by what essentially account to tribesmen is akin to what happens in the US is just a fallacious false equivalency.
/U/TvrtkoIKraljSrbljem hasn't mentioned USA in his comment. He was talking about something that happened in Kosovo, which is Europe. Consequently he said it should not be tolerated in Europe today.
You're the one bringing the US into this because you feel the need to defend your country before it even was attacked.
[–]BawseLady 12 ポイント13 ポイント14 ポイント 2時間前 (0子コメント)
Bingo.
[+]BelgiumBoomtown_Rat スコアが基準値未満のコメント-29 ポイント-28 ポイント-27 ポイント 2時間前 (47子コメント)
Because that's what this is about and you know it. Look at all the other comments that mention America as well.
But gee, what a surprise that you'd assume I don't know what Kosovo is or where it's located.
[–]The NetherlandsGrelow 24 ポイント25 ポイント26 ポイント 2時間前 (0子コメント)
what a surprise that you'd assume I don't know what Kosovo is or where it's located.
Not what I was implying at all. You are reading too much into comments and getting defensive because of that. Circumcision on baby boys is unneeded mutulation regardless of what country it takes place in. The reason some Europeans feel the need to center out the USA on this issue is because they are expected to have moral values similar to those in Europe and other western countries.
[–]Mynamethisisnot 24 ポイント25 ポイント26 ポイント 2時間前 (44子コメント)
you are being overly defensive, what's up?
[–]BawseLady 25 ポイント26 ポイント27 ポイント 2時間前 (32子コメント)
He's mutilated.
[+]BelgiumBoomtown_Rat スコアが基準値未満のコメント-18 ポイント-17 ポイント-16 ポイント 2時間前 (31子コメント)
Christ woman. I wish you cared about your community half as much as you cared about my foreskin. You know what the worst part is? The circumcision left no marks, so I don't even know i'm mutilated!
[–]BawseLady 16 ポイント17 ポイント18 ポイント 2時間前 (16子コメント)
I don't care about you, but about children. Your parents should have cared about you before they mutilated you.
[+]BelgiumBoomtown_Rat スコアが基準値未満のコメント-14 ポイント-13 ポイント-12 ポイント 2時間前 (15子コメント)
My parents didn't give a shit. No one I know gives a shit. Hell, until I was 18 I didn't even know to give a shit. Call me mutilated all you want, but I wish you gave half as much of a shit about my so called mutilated penis (that my sexual partners preferred, btw) as you did about anything in your society. Inequality, the environment, populism, global warming.
But no. You will just spend the rest of tonight screaming at me and everyone else that the mutilated person doesn't even know they're mutilated.
[–]European UnionVallessir [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (0子コメント)
You don't know what the hell that person cares about. How is that a valid argument at all?
[–]BawseLady [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (13子コメント)
It's obvious your parents didn't give a shit about you.
[–]European Unionstefantalpalaru [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (11子コメント)
The circumcision left no marks, so I don't even know i'm mutilated!
You don't notice the keratinised mucous membrane of the glans? That's lowering its sensitivity significantly.
[–]Doomnezeu [スコア非表示] 22分前 (0子コメント)
Can you ELI5 that, I really have no idea what that means.
[–]BelgiumBoomtown_Rat [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (9子コメント)
Nope. Also if this is what it feels like with lowered sensitivity then surely you uncircumcised dudes must be blowing a load when even a breeze wafts past you, no?
[–]B3ER [スコア非表示] 58分前 (4子コメント)
Uncircumcised here. I last just fine with some mental conditioning. I kinda feel sad for all the people missing out on the natural sensations that they were denied without them having a say in the matter.
[–]European Unionstefantalpalaru [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (0子コメント)
No.
[–]-d0ubt [スコア非表示] 26分前 (2子コメント)
If your cool with it, good for you, all we're saying is that you should have been allowed to choose it.
[–]-d0ubt [スコア非表示] 28分前 (1子コメント)
If I cut my own ear of it could heal up quite nicely but i'd still be left without a fuckin ear.
[–]BelgiumBoomtown_Rat [スコア非表示] 27分前 (0子コメント)
Except that would affect your hearing. The circumcision hasn't affected me like that.
[+]BelgiumBoomtown_Rat スコアが基準値未満のコメント-11 ポイント-10 ポイント-9 ポイント 2時間前 (10子コメント)
Because I rarely if ever see the amount of activism on reddit that is for anti-circumcision than I do for anything else! It makes me feel that there absolutely has to be another motive for it, if seemingly no one can give a shit about the homeless dying this winter but when it comes to kids somebody better protect their foreskins!
I just honestly think it's mostly because those brown people like to do it, and it's a decent opportunity for the Euros to act holier than thou when it comes to the Americans. When what, it's the fucking difference between whether I have to pull a bit of skin back on my dick?
[–]Thinkmoreaboutit 21 ポイント22 ポイント23 ポイント 2時間前 (8子コメント)
It's an anti genital mutilation thing.
Stop forcing your sexual preference on children.
It's fucking sick.
[–]tuathal 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 2時間前 (0子コメント)
Sexual preference?
I mean, much as I dislike the idea of skin being cut off mine or anyone else's dick, I don't see how this is anything to do with sexual preference.
Preach about it being a genital mutilation thing all you like, but it seems odd to be campaigning against this in Europe, where as far as I'm aware, the procedure is generally only done for medical reasons. It's not really of any use to ban it at that point. The only reason would be to disproportionately target certain sections of the population. You know the ones I'm talking about.
[+]BelgiumBoomtown_Rat スコアが基準値未満のコメント-6 ポイント-5 ポイント-4 ポイント 2時間前 (6子コメント)
What? What sexual preference? I thought this was a religious thing no?
OH NO MY CIRCUMCISION MADE ME STRAIGHT.
[–]Thinkmoreaboutit 7 ポイント8 ポイント9 ポイント 2時間前 (5子コメント)
In America, it is largely not done as a religious thing.
Outside of Jews, hardly anybody circumcises baby boys worldwide.
[–]BelgiumBoomtown_Rat 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 2時間前 (2子コメント)
You mean like the Muslims?
[–]European Unionstefantalpalaru [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (1子コメント)
Well, it started as a way to make masturbation painful, so the puritans embraced it quickly.
(now you know why Americans keep talking about lubrication)
[–]European UnionVallessir 4 ポイント5 ポイント6 ポイント 2時間前 (0子コメント)
Yes I'm sure all Danish doctors are just geing racist...
[–]EnglandGuyastian [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (0子コメント)
You really don't know where Kosovo is?
[–]Thinkmoreaboutit 18 ポイント19 ポイント20 ポイント 2時間前 (6子コメント)
Please, learn something.
What is the Structure & Function of The Foreskin? (Circumcision) - 19:20
Child Circumcision: An Elephant in the Hospital - 33:33
A Historical and Medical Critique of Circumcision - Dr. Christopher Guest - 1:24:03
Circumcision: At the intersection of Religion, Medicine, and Human Rights - John Geisheker - 1:26:50
Changes in infants - Image
Claims of curing over time - Image
[–]BawseLady 13 ポイント14 ポイント15 ポイント 2時間前 (3子コメント)
Thank you for this. How anyone can watch this and STILL defend it, is beyond me.
[–]Swedena_theory 17 ポイント18 ポイント19 ポイント 2時間前 (0子コメント)
The problem is that when you criticize circumcision people that have been circumcised often take it personally for some reason.
[–]Thinkmoreaboutit 16 ポイント17 ポイント18 ポイント 2時間前 (1子コメント)
Trauma based mind control.
Injured people inflicting the pain on others.
[–]BawseLady 11 ポイント12 ポイント13 ポイント 2時間前 (0子コメント)
Yes. You will find that in countries where women get mutilated, they often fiercly defend it too.
[–]European UnionVallessir [スコア非表示] 14分前 (0子コメント)
I like he threw a tantrum all over this thread but didn't bother replying to this.
[–]Economic migrantSteppdeckenwolf [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (1子コメント)
we never even knew we had it removed
That is factually wrong, as it can cause psychological trauma. And of course the very small, but nevertheless unnecessarily existing number of boys and men who suffer irreversible injury from this procedure certainly are reminded of it everyday.
[+]BelgiumBoomtown_Rat スコアが基準値未満のコメント[スコア非表示] 1時間前 (0子コメント)
I am not, traumatized and no one I knew was. For that matter, do you know anyone who remembers anything before the age of two?
Furthermore, I would appreciate it if you would please not act like you have personally experienced when you haven't, or put words in the mouths of other people for something you have no idea of.
[–]Prussia's Got TalentBigBadButterCat 11 ポイント12 ポイント13 ポイント 2時間前 (8子コメント)
What, I want to orgasm even quicker during sex?
Gotta think of grandma in between!
I've had plenty of European women hesitantly reveal to me that they found uncircumcised penises to be a lot more unnerving than the circumcised variety.
On that I call bullshit. Which grown women is 'unnerved' by a penis?
[–]BawseLady 17 ポイント18 ポイント19 ポイント 2時間前 (4子コメント)
It's bullshit. He's American and he is defending his penis.
[+]BelgiumBoomtown_Rat スコアが基準値未満のコメント[スコア非表示] 1時間前 (3子コメント)
Awww just so upset. I have to ask, are you commenting on every single one of my posts because you have extreme Elektra syndrome or what? You do know circumcision is just the little sheath, right? I know, I wish they cut off my entire penis so I could just give it to you so you could finally replace your vagina with the penis you clearly want. But I can't, and I won't.
[–]BawseLady [スコア非表示] 1時間前* (2子コメント)
Little sheath? Sex ed in America must be really bad. I'm very glad to have a vagina. Especially since Women are protected from this. Thanks for the offer though. You wish they cut it off? I thought you loved your penis?
[+]BelgiumBoomtown_Rat スコアが基準値未満のコメント[スコア非表示] 1時間前 (1子コメント)
Haha not only are you a troll, but you're a semantical idiotic troll. How do you live? How can you argue without ad hominem attacks, strawmen, or just plain false equivalencies? God, I can only hope that fighting the circumcised on the internet and shouting mutilated every other word isn't the only thing you have in your life.
Yes, my beautiful wonderful mutilated penis, free of all that excess skin and without needing to be cleaned every other day. Yep, life is tough!
[–]BawseLady [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (0子コメント)
Every other day?! Hopefully you clean it daily! Nobody is born with excess skin.
[+]BelgiumBoomtown_Rat スコアが基準値未満のコメント-6 ポイント-5 ポイント-4 ポイント 2時間前 (2子コメント)
See: Ages 18-22.
[–]Norway, living in PolandTheEndgame [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (1子コメント)
I wonder what kind of women you have met.
[–]BelgiumBoomtown_Rat [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (0子コメント)
Well let's see. Between ages of 21 and 26, involved countries such as the Netherlands, Belgium, Ireland, Estonia, Austria, Romania, etc... well you can do the math I guess.
the secret answer is mutilated
[–]European Unionstefantalpalaru [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (4子コメント)
I'll never understand what it is about circumcision that causes post-adolescent males to brigade against it like nothing else (wish people cared even half as much about say, the well being of animals or the impoverished as some people do about foreskins).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism
[–]BelgiumBoomtown_Rat [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (3子コメント)
Come on dude. If you're going to use logical fallacies against me don't just pick a random one you heard about today you didn't even understand. Did you even read the reddit comment explaining it? That's not what it means at all.
a logical fallacy which attempts to discredit the opponent's position by asserting the opponent's failure to act consistently in accordance with that position, without directly refuting or disproving the opponent's initial argument.
Have I not exactly been sticking to my position here of not really giving a shit about circumcision while everyone else acts like it's the biggest threat to our European way of life?
Why are you so worked up about the improper use of logical fallacies? I wish you'd care even half as much about the well being of other animals or the impoverished...
Except I haven't been arguing fallacies. So there you go, another fallacy.
[–]GreeceKGrizzly [スコア非表示] 33分前 (0子コメント)
like it's the biggest threat to our European way of life
I think it's just another matter that can be easily regulated without much discussion.
A: "We should ban circumcision!"
B: "Duh"
[–]GreeceRemon_Kewl [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (19子コメント)
I'm sure there are men that prefer circumcised women too. That's a stupid argument.
[+]BelgiumBoomtown_Rat スコアが基準値未満のコメント[スコア非表示] 1時間前 (18子コメント)
It's not the same. Acting like it's the same just creates a false equivalency that gets us nowhere.
[–]GreeceRemon_Kewl [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (17子コメント)
But how do you know if it's the same? You've never been uncircumcised. And that is your logic.
[–]BelgiumBoomtown_Rat [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (16子コメント)
Because the argument has been thus: "Circumcised people are mutilated, have less sensitivity, and are just worse overall."
"But I like mine, I've never heard anything bad about it, and only experienced positives from it such as lasting longer."
"MUTILATED!!!"
[–]B3ER [スコア非表示] 49分前 (10子コメント)
But you know that's the definition of mutilation, right? You've irreversibly had a functional and living part of your body removed without your consent. That's mutilation, no way around it. Whether you feel like it's an attack on your person when someone points it out, that's just your retarded way of taking simple facts, buddy. Can you live without it? Sure. Can you be happy and content without it? Positively. Is it mutilation? You fuckin betcha.
[–]BelgiumBoomtown_Rat [スコア非表示] 48分前 (9子コメント)
So ipso facto having your appendix removed is mutilation in this case.
[–]B3ER [スコア非表示] 37分前 (7子コメント)
No. Appendices can get infected, which can lead to huge complications. They're only removed when they become dangerous for the patient, which constitutes a medical procedure. Huge difference when you're cutting an infant's foreskin off because of tradition or religion. It's kinda baffling that I actually have to explain this difference to you. Did you ACTUALLY not know the difference?
[–]BelgiumBoomtown_Rat [スコア非表示] 35分前 (6子コメント)
Tell me this then: do they have to cut you open for the circumcision? Do they have to spend time recovering? Do you require stitches?
But no, please sprinkle in some childish accusations amidst the broken record of mutilation.
[–]GreeceKGrizzly [スコア非表示] 36分前 (0子コメント)
Yes, it is surgical mutilation. And thus it is performed only when it's needed. Did your parents need to remove your foreskin?
[–]GreeceRemon_Kewl [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (4子コメント)
But they are mutilated. Are you really arguing that cutting of a part of a human isn't mutilation? Especially for non medical reasons?
But mutilation is disfigurement. Not removing a bunch of folds from when your dick isn't hard.
[–]GreeceRemon_Kewl [スコア非表示] 56分前 (2子コメント)
You obviously don't know what you're talking about, since you lack your foreskin.
(And it's still mutilation).
[–]BelgiumBoomtown_Rat [スコア非表示] 55分前 (1子コメント)
Okay, thanks for taking the time to fight me over whether I should be considered mutilated or not.
[–]BawseLady 6 ポイント7 ポイント8 ポイント 2時間前 (10子コメント)
It's a human rights issue. Circumcised penises are ugly. The fact that stupid Americans have no idea what they are missing is a bad excuse to harm a child.
[+]BelgiumBoomtown_Rat スコアが基準値未満のコメント-9 ポイント-8 ポイント-7 ポイント 2時間前 (8子コメント)
It certainly is in the middle of the desert when it involves a 14 year old boy being circumcised, not in modern Europe with the health facilities we have.
A lot of context in this sub is posted so that Europeans can bash Americans. This being a perfect example. stupid Americans
A lot of context in this sub is posted so that Europeans can bash Americans. This being a perfect example.
stupid Americans
What a shock.
[–]BawseLady 14 ポイント15 ポイント16 ポイント 2時間前 (6子コメント)
Good for you and I'm happy that you like having less penis. If you do it to your future son though, you're a piece of shit. Good day to you.
[+]BelgiumBoomtown_Rat スコアが基準値未満のコメント-8 ポイント-7 ポイント-6 ポイント 2時間前 (5子コメント)
I couldn't care less. I've always noticed it's the people with foreskins who seem to be this upset about it.
But yes, considering how well it's worked out for me why shouldn't I let my son be as lucky?
[–]BawseLady 11 ポイント12 ポイント13 ポイント 2時間前 (4子コメント)
I'm a Woman and yes I have foreskin since Women are protected by the law, thankfully.
[+]BelgiumBoomtown_Rat スコアが基準値未満のコメント-8 ポイント-7 ポイント-6 ポイント 2時間前 (3子コメント)
Women don't have foreskins. Acting like a Clitoris (the main point of stimulation) is anything akin to a foreskin (a penile sheath) is just absurd.
[–]BawseLady 14 ポイント15 ポイント16 ポイント 2時間前 (2子コメント)
We do. It's called the clitoral hood.
[+]BelgiumBoomtown_Rat スコアが基準値未満のコメント-7 ポイント-6 ポイント-5 ポイント 2時間前 (1子コメント)
That's just semantical. It's a hood, it's a prepuce, but it is not a foreskin.
[–]Mynamethisisnot 8 ポイント9 ポイント10 ポイント 2時間前 (0子コメント)
shouldn't that decision be left to the person affected? Why are parents deciding on something so permanent on a kids life?
[–]CanadaAdsso1 [スコア非表示] 21分前 (0子コメント)
Lol says the guy with a nasty dirty ass cock
more of the world is circumcised
it looks better and has major health benefits
people in korea do it as soon as they tun 18 because they dont want nasty looking dicks
[–]YorkshirePreacherjonson 32 ポイント33 ポイント34 ポイント 2時間前 (2子コメント)
"But muh hygiene"
Honestly, if that's a person's main concern I'd automatically assume they were dirty people anyway.
[–]huh?ScriptThat [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (1子コメント)
Better cut those ears off. Filthy, filthy folds.
[–]YorkshirePreacherjonson [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (0子コメント)
I just want to be puuurre.
[–]The NetherlandsGrelow 41 ポイント42 ポイント43 ポイント 3時間前 (32子コメント)
I don't think there is much to discuss here. Surely most of Europe feels the same way?
[–]United KingdomOsgood_Schlatter 15 ポイント16 ポイント17 ポイント 2時間前 (2子コメント)
Evidently not, because it is still legal to do it to little boys for non-medical reasons.
[–]The NetherlandsGrelow 10 ポイント11 ポイント12 ポイント 2時間前 (1子コメント)
Well the article suggests that it's mostly politicians being scared to do something about it, no?
According to a nationally representative poll from the summer of 2016, 87% of Danes favor a legal ban on non-therapeutic circumcision of boys under the age of 18 years. So far, politicians have been hesitant, but increasingly willing to listen.
[–]Emilia-Romagnakingofthedove [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (0子コメント)
I wonder what they are scared about.
[–]SwitzerlandHokutoNoChen [スコア非表示] 1時間前* (28子コメント)
Surely most of Europe feels the same way?
It does. Because the majority of Europe is Christian, and as such isn't religiously obligated to do it.
But if Christians had a commandment to do it, you bet your ass nobody would say anything about outlawing it, infants or not. It's just hypocrisy.
We've discussed this extensively on this sub. The bottom line is that outlawing it would be foolish - you're not going to stop Muslims and Jews from following thousands of years of tradition/religion. In the best case scenario, they will just do it in other countries. Most likely, though, they will just have a "black market" of unlicensed people performing circumcisions with occasional disastrous results. Or simply have collaborating doctors fake a medical necessity for them.
Or we could start having penis inspection days and sending the cops after the parents of circumcised kids, who in turn will have to find a Jewish/Muslim doctor willing to fake papers that say they had to have that procedure for medical reasons.
Glorious. So worth it. Let's get on with criminalizing underage circumcisions so we can start our inquisitions on what is ultimately a trivial matter that doesn't cause any health problems.
Edit: You can downvote, but I thank God none of you are actually involved in politics or lawmaking in any way.
[–]BawseLady [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (7子コメント)
Nah. Lots or barbaric rituals rooted in christianity have been outlawed in Europe.
[+]SwitzerlandHokutoNoChen スコアが基準値未満のコメント[スコア非表示] 1時間前 (6子コメント)
Sure, when you're talking about things that cause damage or harm others. Circumcision doesn't do that. The best angle you can argue for is emotional damage due to a forced cosmetic change, but you'd be hard pressed to find data that shows circumcised people feel that way.
It's mostly "barbaric" because it's a non-Christian issue. That's really it.
"Male circumcision and sexual function in men and women: a survey-based, cross-sectional study in Denmark": https://ije.oxfordjournals.org/content/40/5/1367.full.pdf+html "Male circumcision greatly increases risk of urinary tract problems": http://sciencenordic.com/male-circumcision-greatly-increases-risk-urinary-tract-problems
https://www.reddit.com/r/Intactivists/comments/rz19l/so_who_else_has_had_their_sex_life_ruined_by/
[–]United Kingdomaapowers [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (0子コメント)
If a parent cut off a kid's earlobe, the parents would go to prison for battery and mutilation.
It's assault; the fact that it isn't prosecuted as such is horrendous.
I agree, it would be difficult to police, but that's not a reason not to do something.
[–]gtruhiuh [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (0子コメント)
Sure, when you're talking about things that cause damage or harm others. Circumcision doesn't do that.
Of course it does! If not - please go ahead and cut your own foreskin or corpus carvernosum (sorry, don't know the English name for clit skin)
[–]FinlandIusaaset [スコア非表示] 43分前 (0子コメント)
Are you fucking kidding me? Cutting pieces off of your dick with a knife doesn't "cause damage or harm"? Reaaallly....
Ding ding, we have a winner!
[–]Bavaria (Germany)Vik1ng [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (5子コメント)
Exactly the same argument could be made about FGM, which all Western Countries have banned. So following your logic we should not ban circumcision bur rather legalize FGM.
[+]BelgiumBoomtown_Rat スコアが基準値未満のコメント[スコア非表示] 1時間前 (4子コメント)
False equivalency bro. Do you think in America they wait until you're 14 and slice off your foreskin with zero anaesthetic?
[–]Bavaria (Germany)Vik1ng [スコア非表示] 51分前 (3子コメント)
So FGM with anaesthetics in a nice hospital is fine?
[+]BelgiumBoomtown_Rat スコアが基準値未満のコメント[スコア非表示] 50分前 (2子コメント)
But it's not the same and you know it. In men it's not a proven loss of sensitivity like it is guaranteed to be with women.
[–]Bavaria (Germany)Vik1ng [スコア非表示] 44分前 (1子コメント)
FGM includes pricing a needle into the clitoris or just making a small cut without removing anything. Even these things are illegal here even thought they cause less harm. Why should any kind of cutting around on children genitals for no medical reason be legal?
Not to mention it's not just about sensitivity. It's simply absolutely unnecessary and no reason to make any kind of body modification to children if they have a perfectly normal and healthy body part. Especially since it also removes the functionality the foreskin provides.
[–]BawseLady [スコア非表示] 2分前 (0子コメント)
No loss of sensitivity claims are laughable. The glans is literally exposed and rubbing up against fabric all day, but sensitivity is the same?!
[–]Emilia-Romagnakingofthedove [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (1子コメント)
I hope you are ready for the religion of K 🐸 E 🐸 K and its bloodthirsty rituals which would not be worthwhile to criminalize.
[–]Emilia-Romagnakingofthedove [スコア非表示] 22分前 (0子コメント)
<< But Hati, nobody will see us. If we don't do it, somebody else would, so what's the difference? >>
<< Listen Sköll, we already went through this with mom: we can't set fire to a house just because you saw a menorah inside and their street number ends in dubs. It's just wrong. >>
[–]jhkjhlhk [スコア非表示] 1時間前* (0子コメント)
This is basically you saying "it's true because I say so". Maybe in the real world, humanity is capable of drawing a line where an individual's safety/autonomy is being violated in the name of religion.
The bottom line is that outlawing it would be foolish - you're not going to stop Muslims and Jews from following thousands of years of tradition/religion.
You can make the same arguments for outlawing anything - people will find a way to do it anyway, so why bother? But laws also serve as our guideposts for what is and is not acceptable. Genital mutilation of children should not be accepted just because it is done in a religious ritual.
Trivial to you. Many see cutting the genitals of a perfectly healthy child to be a serious moral wrong. Females are already protected from this by law. There is little reason why the same protection should not be extended to boys.
[–]Northern Irelandcrazymcfattypants [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (0子コメント)
I agreed with what you said about how it will become a black market procedure, that's a tricky scenario.
But you're being a dick by saying it's a trivial matter. Irreversibly maiming kids, even slightly, for what is essentially a cosmetic procedure is not trivial.
[+]BelgiumBoomtown_Rat スコアが基準値未満のコメント[スコア非表示] 1時間前 (9子コメント)
This is a sub essentially full of hypocrites. People with zero experience of these things telling others how it should be done, and then telling them personal experience is irrelevant.
[+]SwitzerlandHokutoNoChen スコアが基準値未満のコメント[スコア非表示] 1時間前 (8子コメント)
The thing is, I can totally understand their argument. Hell, I don't think I will circumcise my son - don't see a reason to.
The problem is that outlawing it is a complete joke, as I've explained above. You'd be willing to start this witch hunt and legal nightmare, and for what? At the end of the day, what is the consequence of not having a law against it? There is no medical damage done to these kids or any sort of emotional damage. So the "terrible reality" of NOT starting a crusade against circumcisions is that some boys don't have a foreskin. And?
It's also a classic case of "speaking on behalf of". There's a reason it's overwhelmingly uncircumcised people talking here. The circumcised ones don't feel they were wronged in any way.
[–]Bavaria (Germany)Vik1ng [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (0子コメント)
Are you actually from Switzerland? Because you sound more like a cut American. Or are your Jewish?
[–]European UnionRMcD94 [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (0子コメント)
By the same logic you could cut off your kids ears or little toe?
Some circumcised men do. Never heard of the bloodstained men?
It's always like that. It's the only reason I'm fighting with these people. I don't mind what other people do to their kids, and hell I'm quite a few years away from even considering children. But in reality it's always always always uncircumcised people acting like they know better and grossly overstating what happens.
Then god forbid they're confronted with someone who is circumcised (such as myself) who has either never noticed, or noticed only positively, and it's just constant ad hominem attacks and cries of "mutilated!"
[–]GreeceRemon_Kewl [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (1子コメント)
But in reality it's always always always uncircumcised people acting like they know better and grossly overstating what happens.
Again, stupid argument.
Is it? So far I've heard time and time again how circumcision has affected me and nearly every time I refute it it just devolves into a non-factual response. Please, tell me how i'm wrong about my own body.
[–]SwitzerlandHokutoNoChen [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (1子コメント)
Yeah, I always get dragged into these discussions somehow. I think this time I'll just let it go. I hope people pay attention to my post, though, as it covers the most important point - it's fine to be emotional about this issue, but be pragmatic as well. There is no pragmatic solution to it.
They will pay attention to it only until the hivemind downvotes you into oblivion like they did me.
Also don't fret about u/bawselady. Turns out it's just a dude who trolls for circumcision on reddit's search feature.
Edit: forgot to leave a MUTILATED!
[–]Englandadminsuckdonkeydick 48 ポイント49 ポイント50 ポイント 3時間前 (0子コメント)
About time. It's barbaric.
[–]Dual Citizen: USA/Finlandameric 16 ポイント17 ポイント18 ポイント 2時間前 (0子コメント)
The Finnish Doctor's Union also has a similar statement.
[–]The VaterlandAleksx000 16 ポイント17 ポイント18 ポイント 3時間前 (0子コメント)
Good on them.
[–]Europe GreeceSapemeg 13 ポイント14 ポイント15 ポイント 3時間前 (8子コメント)
It's not that much of a tradition in Europe, right ?
[–]Swedenvotarak 31 ポイント32 ポイント33 ポイント 3時間前* (5子コメント)
I never heard of anyone being circumcised except for religious reasons. So yes you are right it's not much of a tradition
Edit: there is medical reasons for it to. I forgot
[–]EarthBorg-Man 11 ポイント12 ポイント13 ポイント 3時間前 (4子コメント)
Well, let me be the first then to give you such a tale.
When I was little (like, 3 or 4), apparently the front skin wouldn't become clean anymore. So the doc said "off with it". Anesthetized, chop, when I wake up there's this big Lego box waiting for me. Zero regrets.
[–]GreeceHelloLadies13 3 ポイント4 ポイント5 ポイント 2時間前 (3子コメント)
Yeah... me too. I think the ratio of people with phimosis is 1/100, so the number is not that small.
[–]United States of AmericaRomulusSuperbus 6 ポイント7 ポイント8 ポイント 2時間前 (2子コメント)
1% of uncircumcised males have phimosis.
For most people it resolves it self. In fact your foreskin is fused to your glans until around puberty.
[–]Jstuyfzand [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (0子コメント)
Why did nobody tell me this
[–]GreeceHelloLadies13 [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (0子コメント)
No, 1% are the guys that have it even after the end of growth. It starts from 8% at the age of 6-8 and stops at 1% at the age of 18. I obviously know that for most people it resolves itself. Not for me, even tho i didn't wait until 18 but 15 because i had other things in mind.
I've heard hard core Jews still do it. And Americans. Don't know though - and would like to learn more about what groups cut their newborns.
[–]Thinkmoreaboutit 14 ポイント15 ポイント16 ポイント 2時間前 (0子コメント)
[–]Cataloniadoterobcn 11 ポイント12 ポイント13 ポイント 3時間前 (16子コメント)
Maybe one day this will happen where it matters, the USA
[–]FinlandLuckyio 16 ポイント17 ポイント18 ポイント 3時間前* (6子コメント)
Aging women need their facial skin treatment, so nope.
I jest, but it's a pretty hilarious fact that much of that foreskin ends up as base from which new skin is grown for cosmetic treatments.
[–]SwedenKryxx 18 ポイント19 ポイント20 ポイント 3時間前 (1子コメント)
Wut... no way. Seriously?
[–]tirabuixo 22 ポイント23 ポイント24 ポイント 2時間前 (0子コメント)
Yes.
It's also used for "cruelty free" cosmetic testing. No animal suffered, just a little boy. Apparently little boys pain is not really ""suffering suffering"".
All the Americans supporting these practises are just victims of the propaganda that the cosmetic industry propagates to keep their almost free supplies coming.
[–]Norwaymoanjelly 15 ポイント16 ポイント17 ポイント 2時間前 (0子コメント)
Don't forget about medical research! Baby penis skin sold for a profit, and the parents pay for the procedure. Welcome to the USA, kid.
[–]GreeceDamnTomatoDamnit 4 ポイント5 ポイント6 ポイント 2時間前 (0子コメント)
While I kinda agree that a lot of threads in this sub turn into bashing America pretty quickly, millions of people getting swindled to unwittingly aid BigPharma in their quest to, in turn, swindle vain consumers out of more money sounds a lot like America.
[–]ItalyStoicismus 5 ポイント6 ポイント7 ポイント 2時間前 (1子コメント)
calling them dickhead is legit then?
[–]FinlandLuckyio 4 ポイント5 ポイント6 ポイント 2時間前 (0子コメント)
"I asked to get me dick, and all I got was this baby boy foreskin".
Sounds like a proper title for one of those small time shady docudramas.
[–]J'essaie d'apprendre le françaisHalf_Man1 [スコア非表示] 50分前 (8子コメント)
You know, I completely understand where you're coming from, and agree with you, but sometimes when people make aggressive comments against circumcision it kinda pisses me off.
Not because I disagree in some way. I think it's an utterly pointless procedure. But I don't see it as damaging either.
It's not like I'm missing something. My penis has been the same since I could remember it.
And when people talk about it like it's "horrifying" it just kinda ticks me off. Like, I'm not some weak victim. My manhood is fine.
If you guys wanna actually stop the procedure, than stop acting like it's inhumane or cruel. It's honestly not. Americans aren't blind okay- we'd know if it were a detriment or something.
[–]Cataloniadoterobcn [スコア非表示] 45分前 (3子コメント)
For me, it's not that it makes you less man, or that it's horrifying, i can't understand WHY, how is it possible for an entire country to follow such a weird act. Why was it introduced in the first place, and why is so hard to get rid of it, or at least let people understand the reasons behind doing this procedure.
[–]J'essaie d'apprendre le françaisHalf_Man1 [スコア非表示] 42分前 (2子コメント)
I couldn't tell you why it was introduced initially, but I know that most fathers just do it because hospitals offer it for free- and it's generally thought "eh, might as well have his look like mine."
[–]European Unionfuchsiamatter [スコア非表示] 27分前 (0子コメント)
I've never understood that. Do Americans fathers show their privates to their sons a lot?
[–]Cataloniadoterobcn [スコア非表示] 33分前 (0子コメント)
Yup, i understand, but given how expensive is everything in an american hospital.......why is this procedure free? :) :)
[–]Bavaria (Germany)Vik1ng [スコア非表示] 27分前 (0子コメント)
I find it absolutely weird when I see a girl give a handjob to a cut guy in porn. Sure it works and you are used to it, but from my perspective you are missing something.
[–]GreeceKGrizzly [スコア非表示] 25分前 (0子コメント)
It's not like I'm missing something.
Don't worry Half_Man1, it's just buried deep in your soul.
[–]Saebelzahn [スコア非表示] 1分前 (0子コメント)
But you are a victim here. Even if you have no damage from it there could have been complications and you could have been damaged severly. Its an unneeded operation that can damage you. I get it that people get angry when they are treated as a victim, that even happens with much more severe stuff where the victim did actually get damaged but at some point you have to ignore your ego and admit to beeing a victim or nothing will change ever. Its not like this is special or something, everyone is a victim of something. Just because this unnecessary operation involves man and their dicks they get super defensive about it instead of just admiting that its a bad thing. Imagine it involved not cutting off part of your dick but part of your earlobe. Would you then have the same opinion? Probably not.
[–]Bob_The_Avenger [スコア非表示] たった今 (0子コメント)
"It's not like I'm missing something." yes yes you are missing something. In fact what you are missing is a part of your penis.
[–]EuropeWorldgnasher 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 2時間前 (2子コメント)
Well it's not supposed to bring health benefits is it?
[–]Bavaria (Germany)Vik1ng [スコア非表示] 1時間前* (0子コメント)
Americans on Reddit will always tell your how it protects from infections, penile cancer or HIV...
God first created us in his image, and it was perfect. Then he realized he used the stretch tool in his CAD program too much, but the model was already sent to the 3D printer. Thus he required it be a holy law that you should use a knife to cut your children.
[–]J'essaie d'apprendre le françaisHalf_Man1 [スコア非表示] 58分前 (8子コメント)
This is a weird topic for me to read about, as a circumcised male.
I mean, it's not like I'm missing something. My penis is my penis. I've never seen it any other way. So when people call the practice barbaric or sick, I mean, I guess so, but when you consider that the men who sign off on doing it are also circumcised... It's just a stupid tradition. I don't think it's really damaging... just... unnecessary...
[–]GreeceKGrizzly [スコア非表示] 24分前 (0子コメント)
I've never seen it any other way.
The same could be said for circumcised girls as well.
[–]European Unionfuchsiamatter [スコア非表示] 17分前 (0子コメント)
I think this isn't quite the right approach to these thing though, is it? Think of it this way: for one thing, there is the element of risk. It's rare, but circumcision can lead to permanent injury - in fact, every year, ca. 100 babies die in the US as a result of the procedure. You might have been lucky, but not everybody will. Secondly, something doesnt have to leave a lasting, negative effect that haunts the person for the rest of their life to be bad. Babies feel pain, just because they forget it quickly doesn't justify hurting them unnecessarily.
[–]CaliforniacBlackout [スコア非表示] 5分前 (0子コメント)
Don't bother posting here. Everybody is just going to tell you how unfortunate you are and that your parents are barbarians for mutilating you.
[–]jhkjhlhk [スコア非表示] 33分前 (2子コメント)
I mean, it's not like I'm missing something.
Except... the parts of your penis that were cut off.
[–]Norwaymoanjelly [スコア非表示] 8分前 (0子コメント)
It's like a person blind from birth trying to convince themselves they aren't missing something. You can't expect them to imagine something else.
[–]European UnionDertien1214 [スコア非表示] 25分前 (0子コメント)
Best part too...
[–]BawseLady [スコア非表示] 44分前 (0子コメント)
"Male circumcision and sexual function in men and women: a survey-based, cross-sectional study in Denmark": https://ije.oxfordjournals.org/content/40/5/1367.full.pdf+html "Male circumcision greatly increases risk of urinary tract problems": http://sciencenordic.com/male-circumcision-greatly-increases-risk-urinary-tract-problems https://www.reddit.com/r/Intactivists/comments/rz19l/so_who_else_has_had_their_sex_life_ruined_by/
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[–]BawseLady [スコア非表示] 35分前 (0子コメント)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4Cjaaj1V50
[+]UnAmerican_Idol スコアが基準値未満のコメント-15 ポイント-14 ポイント-13 ポイント 2時間前 (12子コメント)
[–]Citizen_Internet 28 ポイント29 ポイント30 ポイント 2時間前 (4子コメント)
Well, many americans still think that their personal experience is more valid than almost every scientific society in the world. So maybe it's just pointing out the obvious problems with american society. We should be critical of bad traditions all around the world, not only in the middle East.
[+]BelgiumBoomtown_Rat スコアが基準値未満のコメント-10 ポイント-9 ポイント-8 ポイント 2時間前 (3子コメント)
and your personal experience with circumcision is?
[–]Citizen_Internet 20 ポイント21 ポイント22 ポイント 2時間前 (0子コメント)
Does not matter because we shouldn't make policy decisions based on personal experience.
Although it's cold outside for me, global warming is still real.
[–]Bavaria (Germany)Vik1ng [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (1子コメント)
Do I need a vagina to be opposed to FGM?
[–]GreeceKGrizzly [スコア非表示] 22分前 (0子コメント)
Absolutely. If you have a vagina you may be opposed to female circumcision.
If you have a penis you can only be positive about female circumcision.
[–]Denmarkheymonkeygobananas 23 ポイント24 ポイント25 ポイント 2時間前 (0子コメント)
This is a national debate about the Danish law and it's a debate thats relevant to all European countries that each country should decide for themselves.
But the fact that an American news outlet decides to talk about is that maybe America or others should have a debate about it as well.
I cannot see how this is bashing America.
[–]BawseLady 9 ポイント10 ポイント11 ポイント 2時間前 (0子コメント)
Well in this case, it's justified. It's a disgusting thing to do.
[–]NorwayMotharChoddar 34 ポイント35 ポイント36 ポイント 2時間前 (2子コメント)
Came to this thread for the inevitable butthurt American, was not disappointed.
[–]BelgiumBoomtown_Rat -5 ポイント-4 ポイント-3 ポイント 2時間前 (1子コメント)
He's not wrong.
[–]NorwayMotharChoddar 17 ポイント18 ポイント19 ポイント 2時間前 (0子コメント)
I guess I kinda proved his point...
The reason this doctor is targeting America is because America is the only modern country where it's routine for non-religious reasons.
[–]United States of AmericaRomulusSuperbus 14 ポイント15 ポイント16 ポイント 2時間前 (0子コメント)
Some Americans side with the European point-of-view on the topic.
Don't find this post as bashing. It's calling attention to something that should be discussed.
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