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[–]Czech Republicmikatom 37 ポイント38 ポイント  (24子コメント)

As ancient Romans said "it's barbaric and mutilation". Never understood, why is it performed beside health reasons. In the USA, it's like tradition or something.

[–]Thinkmoreaboutit 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (21子コメント)

[–]Czech Republicmikatom [スコア非表示]  (20子コメント)

Thanks. So, it was invented by conservatives to prevent masturbation and falsely claimed to cure some diseases :)). Why am I not surprised. Now, it's money source for some doctors. Again, not surprised.

[–]BelgiumBoomtown_Rat [スコア非表示]  (19子コメント)

So, it was invented by conservatives to prevent masturbation

Sure hasn't stopped me...

[–]huh?ScriptThat [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

yeah, well just imagine how raw you'd be if you weren't circumcised.

[–]European Unionstefantalpalaru [スコア非表示]  (17子コメント)

You know how you have to use lube so it doesn't hurt? We don't.

[–]Greecebuddybiscuit [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Like the running of the bulls or foie gras? Luckily those aren't controversial topics in Europe at all!

[–]Ja sam Srbin i srpskoga roda!TvrtkoIKraljSrbljem 76 ポイント77 ポイント  (105子コメント)

I completely agree with their decision. Unless there is a medical necessity, it should be unacceptable to impose a painful body-altering procedure on a baby. Such a practice is simply incompatible with European values. I would go so far as to say that it's a violation of human rights.

I once read this piece in the NY times that described the practice among the Bosniak minority in Kosovo that I found very troubling:

Screams of pain and pulsating music punctuated the day, but Kasi said, "Our trust in God gives the boys strength to overcome the pain." In the Bajrami household, Sehizada Bajrami, 23, was visibly distressed as Shishko entered and approached Selhan, her 30-month-old son. With tears running down her cheeks, she whimpered, "I can't decide what I feel."

I'm sorry, but this sort of barbarity should not be tolerated in Europe today.

[–]YorkshirePreacherjonson 32 ポイント33 ポイント  (2子コメント)

"But muh hygiene"

Honestly, if that's a person's main concern I'd automatically assume they were dirty people anyway.

[–]The NetherlandsGrelow 41 ポイント42 ポイント  (32子コメント)

I don't think there is much to discuss here. Surely most of Europe feels the same way?

[–]United KingdomOsgood_Schlatter 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Evidently not, because it is still legal to do it to little boys for non-medical reasons.

[–]The NetherlandsGrelow 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Well the article suggests that it's mostly politicians being scared to do something about it, no?

According to a nationally representative poll from the summer of 2016, 87% of Danes favor a legal ban on non-therapeutic circumcision of boys under the age of 18 years. So far, politicians have been hesitant, but increasingly willing to listen.

[–]Emilia-Romagnakingofthedove [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I wonder what they are scared about.

[–]SwitzerlandHokutoNoChen [スコア非表示]  (28子コメント)

Surely most of Europe feels the same way?

It does. Because the majority of Europe is Christian, and as such isn't religiously obligated to do it.

But if Christians had a commandment to do it, you bet your ass nobody would say anything about outlawing it, infants or not. It's just hypocrisy.

We've discussed this extensively on this sub. The bottom line is that outlawing it would be foolish - you're not going to stop Muslims and Jews from following thousands of years of tradition/religion. In the best case scenario, they will just do it in other countries. Most likely, though, they will just have a "black market" of unlicensed people performing circumcisions with occasional disastrous results. Or simply have collaborating doctors fake a medical necessity for them.

Or we could start having penis inspection days and sending the cops after the parents of circumcised kids, who in turn will have to find a Jewish/Muslim doctor willing to fake papers that say they had to have that procedure for medical reasons.

Glorious. So worth it. Let's get on with criminalizing underage circumcisions so we can start our inquisitions on what is ultimately a trivial matter that doesn't cause any health problems.

Edit: You can downvote, but I thank God none of you are actually involved in politics or lawmaking in any way.

[–]BawseLady [スコア非表示]  (7子コメント)

Nah. Lots or barbaric rituals rooted in christianity have been outlawed in Europe.

[–]Bavaria (Germany)Vik1ng [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

We've discussed this extensively on this sub. The bottom line is that outlawing it would be foolish - you're not going to stop Muslims and Jews from following thousands of years of tradition/religion. In the best case scenario, they will just do it in other countries. Most likely, though, they will just have a "black market" of unlicensed people performing circumcisions with occasional disastrous results. Or simply have collaborating doctors fake a medical necessity for them.

Exactly the same argument could be made about FGM, which all Western Countries have banned. So following your logic we should not ban circumcision bur rather legalize FGM.

[–]Emilia-Romagnakingofthedove [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

I hope you are ready for the religion of K 🐸 E 🐸 K and its bloodthirsty rituals which would not be worthwhile to criminalize.

[–]Emilia-Romagnakingofthedove [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

<< But Hati, nobody will see us. If we don't do it, somebody else would, so what's the difference? >>

<< Listen Sköll, we already went through this with mom: we can't set fire to a house just because you saw a menorah inside and their street number ends in dubs. It's just wrong. >>

[–]jhkjhlhk [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

But if Christians had a commandment to do it, you bet your ass nobody would say anything about outlawing it, infants or not. It's just hypocrisy.

This is basically you saying "it's true because I say so". Maybe in the real world, humanity is capable of drawing a line where an individual's safety/autonomy is being violated in the name of religion.

The bottom line is that outlawing it would be foolish - you're not going to stop Muslims and Jews from following thousands of years of tradition/religion.

You can make the same arguments for outlawing anything - people will find a way to do it anyway, so why bother? But laws also serve as our guideposts for what is and is not acceptable. Genital mutilation of children should not be accepted just because it is done in a religious ritual.

Glorious. So worth it. Let's get on with criminalizing underage circumcisions so we can start our inquisitions on what is ultimately a trivial matter that doesn't cause any health problems.

Trivial to you. Many see cutting the genitals of a perfectly healthy child to be a serious moral wrong. Females are already protected from this by law. There is little reason why the same protection should not be extended to boys.

[–]Northern Irelandcrazymcfattypants [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I agreed with what you said about how it will become a black market procedure, that's a tricky scenario.

But you're being a dick by saying it's a trivial matter. Irreversibly maiming kids, even slightly, for what is essentially a cosmetic procedure is not trivial.

[–]Englandadminsuckdonkeydick 48 ポイント49 ポイント  (0子コメント)

About time. It's barbaric.

[–]Dual Citizen: USA/Finlandameric 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The Finnish Doctor's Union also has a similar statement.

[–]The VaterlandAleksx000 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Good on them.

[–]Europe GreeceSapemeg 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (8子コメント)

It's not that much of a tradition in Europe, right ?

[–]Swedenvotarak 31 ポイント32 ポイント  (5子コメント)

I never heard of anyone being circumcised except for religious reasons. So yes you are right it's not much of a tradition

Edit: there is medical reasons for it to. I forgot

[–]EarthBorg-Man 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Well, let me be the first then to give you such a tale.

When I was little (like, 3 or 4), apparently the front skin wouldn't become clean anymore. So the doc said "off with it". Anesthetized, chop, when I wake up there's this big Lego box waiting for me. Zero regrets.

[–]GreeceHelloLadies13 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Yeah... me too. I think the ratio of people with phimosis is 1/100, so the number is not that small.

[–]United States of AmericaRomulusSuperbus 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (2子コメント)

1% of uncircumcised males have phimosis.

For most people it resolves it self. In fact your foreskin is fused to your glans until around puberty.

[–]GreeceHelloLadies13 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

No, 1% are the guys that have it even after the end of growth. It starts from 8% at the age of 6-8 and stops at 1% at the age of 18. I obviously know that for most people it resolves itself. Not for me, even tho i didn't wait until 18 but 15 because i had other things in mind.

[–]gtruhiuh [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I've heard hard core Jews still do it. And Americans. Don't know though - and would like to learn more about what groups cut their newborns.

[–]Cataloniadoterobcn 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (16子コメント)

Maybe one day this will happen where it matters, the USA

[–]FinlandLuckyio 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Aging women need their facial skin treatment, so nope.

I jest, but it's a pretty hilarious fact that much of that foreskin ends up as base from which new skin is grown for cosmetic treatments.

[–]SwedenKryxx 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Wut... no way. Seriously?

[–]tirabuixo 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes.

It's also used for "cruelty free" cosmetic testing. No animal suffered, just a little boy. Apparently little boys pain is not really ""suffering suffering"".

All the Americans supporting these practises are just victims of the propaganda that the cosmetic industry propagates to keep their almost free supplies coming.

[–]Norwaymoanjelly 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Don't forget about medical research! Baby penis skin sold for a profit, and the parents pay for the procedure. Welcome to the USA, kid.

[–]GreeceDamnTomatoDamnit 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

While I kinda agree that a lot of threads in this sub turn into bashing America pretty quickly, millions of people getting swindled to unwittingly aid BigPharma in their quest to, in turn, swindle vain consumers out of more money sounds a lot like America.

[–]ItalyStoicismus 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

calling them dickhead is legit then?

[–]FinlandLuckyio 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

"I asked to get me dick, and all I got was this baby boy foreskin".

Sounds like a proper title for one of those small time shady docudramas.

[–]J'essaie d'apprendre le françaisHalf_Man1 [スコア非表示]  (8子コメント)

You know, I completely understand where you're coming from, and agree with you, but sometimes when people make aggressive comments against circumcision it kinda pisses me off.

Not because I disagree in some way. I think it's an utterly pointless procedure. But I don't see it as damaging either.

It's not like I'm missing something. My penis has been the same since I could remember it.

And when people talk about it like it's "horrifying" it just kinda ticks me off. Like, I'm not some weak victim. My manhood is fine.

If you guys wanna actually stop the procedure, than stop acting like it's inhumane or cruel. It's honestly not. Americans aren't blind okay- we'd know if it were a detriment or something.

[–]Cataloniadoterobcn [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

For me, it's not that it makes you less man, or that it's horrifying, i can't understand WHY, how is it possible for an entire country to follow such a weird act. Why was it introduced in the first place, and why is so hard to get rid of it, or at least let people understand the reasons behind doing this procedure.

[–]J'essaie d'apprendre le françaisHalf_Man1 [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

I couldn't tell you why it was introduced initially, but I know that most fathers just do it because hospitals offer it for free- and it's generally thought "eh, might as well have his look like mine."

[–]European Unionfuchsiamatter [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I've never understood that. Do Americans fathers show their privates to their sons a lot?

[–]Cataloniadoterobcn [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Yup, i understand, but given how expensive is everything in an american hospital.......why is this procedure free? :) :)

[–]Bavaria (Germany)Vik1ng [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It's not like I'm missing something. My penis has been the same since I could remember it.

I find it absolutely weird when I see a girl give a handjob to a cut guy in porn. Sure it works and you are used to it, but from my perspective you are missing something.

[–]GreeceKGrizzly [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It's not like I'm missing something.

Don't worry Half_Man1, it's just buried deep in your soul.

[–]Saebelzahn [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

But you are a victim here. Even if you have no damage from it there could have been complications and you could have been damaged severly. Its an unneeded operation that can damage you. I get it that people get angry when they are treated as a victim, that even happens with much more severe stuff where the victim did actually get damaged but at some point you have to ignore your ego and admit to beeing a victim or nothing will change ever. Its not like this is special or something, everyone is a victim of something. Just because this unnecessary operation involves man and their dicks they get super defensive about it instead of just admiting that its a bad thing. Imagine it involved not cutting off part of your dick but part of your earlobe. Would you then have the same opinion? Probably not.

[–]Bob_The_Avenger [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

"It's not like I'm missing something." yes yes you are missing something. In fact what you are missing is a part of your penis.

[–]EuropeWorldgnasher 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Well it's not supposed to bring health benefits is it?

[–]Bavaria (Germany)Vik1ng [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Americans on Reddit will always tell your how it protects from infections, penile cancer or HIV...

[–]gtruhiuh [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

God first created us in his image, and it was perfect. Then he realized he used the stretch tool in his CAD program too much, but the model was already sent to the 3D printer. Thus he required it be a holy law that you should use a knife to cut your children.

[–]J'essaie d'apprendre le françaisHalf_Man1 [スコア非表示]  (8子コメント)

This is a weird topic for me to read about, as a circumcised male.

I mean, it's not like I'm missing something. My penis is my penis. I've never seen it any other way. So when people call the practice barbaric or sick, I mean, I guess so, but when you consider that the men who sign off on doing it are also circumcised... It's just a stupid tradition. I don't think it's really damaging... just... unnecessary...

[–]GreeceKGrizzly [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I've never seen it any other way.

The same could be said for circumcised girls as well.

[–]European Unionfuchsiamatter [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I think this isn't quite the right approach to these thing though, is it? Think of it this way: for one thing, there is the element of risk. It's rare, but circumcision can lead to permanent injury - in fact, every year, ca. 100 babies die in the US as a result of the procedure. You might have been lucky, but not everybody will. Secondly, something doesnt have to leave a lasting, negative effect that haunts the person for the rest of their life to be bad. Babies feel pain, just because they forget it quickly doesn't justify hurting them unnecessarily.

[–]CaliforniacBlackout [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Don't bother posting here. Everybody is just going to tell you how unfortunate you are and that your parents are barbarians for mutilating you.

[–]jhkjhlhk [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

I mean, it's not like I'm missing something.

Except... the parts of your penis that were cut off.

[–]Norwaymoanjelly [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It's like a person blind from birth trying to convince themselves they aren't missing something. You can't expect them to imagine something else.