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Glenn Greenwald and Kellyanne Conway, who ostensibly are not on the same side, but who are birds of a feather when it comes to soul-less hacks-manship, are not happy about the intelligence dossier on Donald Trump’s mutually beneficial relationship with the Kremlin, which is also full of stories about Trump getting either peed on or at least catching some spray from the pee of Russian hookers, as he clapped his small hands together and his tiny boner peeked out of his ill-fitting suit pants, ALLEGEDLY.

Greewald and Conway are both like “UM AS IF” and saying things about how “PFFFFT this is fake, because the old spy who produced the intel didn’t even sign his name or say who he got his information from.” Let’s remember that the guy who supplied this information is an old former MI6 guy, a person held in high esteem by the American intelligence community for producing good intelligence. Let’s also remember that Old British Spy Guy is not the only source on this.

So, BEARING THAT IN MIND, the question, as we see it, is, are they both, in their own ways, actually part of the scandal, or are they, in fact, too fucking stupid to know what spies do for a living and how they work?

Serious question!

Here is what Glenn Greenwald had to say about it:

“An anonymous person, claiming to be an ex­British intel agent & working as a Dem oppo researcher, said anonymous people told him things,” wrote Glenn Greenwald, the journalist who was instrumental in publishing Edward Snowden’s leaks about government surveillance.

This, from the guy who thinks Julian Assange and Wikileaks do “vital” work, who acts totally lovey-dovey with Russia because of his boy Edward Snowden (despite how Putin is known for going after journalists and gays, both of which Greenwald is), and casts aspersions on anyone who would suggest that they leak things, sourced through actors whose names we do not know, for any but the noblest reasons.

Beverly Hills surgeon explains at home fix for crepey skin around the arms, legs, and stomach.

Now, here’s Kellyanne Conway, speaking to Seth Meyers, who is apparently one of our greatest journalists these days:

kellyanneseth

Without transcribing all of that (there’s a lot going on today, kids, gonna need you to watch the videos, HEART YOU!), the key line from Kellyanne Conway is this:

Guess what hasn’t happened, Seth? No one has sourced it. They are all unnamed, unspoken sources in the story. […] Nothing has been confirmed.

NO, REALLY, DO THESE ASSHOLES NOT KNOW WHAT SPIES DO FOR A LIVING? The entire nature of spy-work is that people, often very covertly, cultivate sources, who Did Not Have The Conversation They Just Had, because if they actually had that conversation on the record, they probably would be killed dead by some government or another. Intelligence is an art, and it doesn’t traffic in Christy told Jenna that Barbara was having a party but Heather is not invited, and here is the paper trail of birthday invitations that shows you with 100% certainty that it happened that way.

We think Glenn Greenwald and Kellyanne Conway know perfectly well what spies do, but are acting willfully stupid, because their allegiances are not to America. Conway’s allegiance is to her bank account, and Greenwald’s allegiance is to whatever the raccoons who live inside his brain are telling him to do that day.

Some perspective, from Paul Wood, Washington correspondent for the BBC:

The rumours or the allegations or whatever you want to call them have been circulating for a number of months now. I saw the report, compiled by the former British intelligence officer, back in October. [WONKETTE REPORTED ON IT NOVEMBER 1!] He is not, and this is the crucial thing, the only source for this. I was also told by a man I’ll call a member of the US intelligence community back in August that he had been told, by the head of an East European intelligence service, that the Russians had kompromat or compromising material on Mr. Trump.

It’s very, very difficult, of course, to talk to US intelligence people. They’re breaking the law if they talk to you. But I did ask somebody with connections in the CIA to pass a message to them, and I got a message back that there was allegedly more than one tape, not just video, but audio as well, on more than one date, in more than one place, in both Moscow and St. Petersburg.

Now, having said all that, nobody has seen this tape. We’re talking about intelligence here, and nobody should believe something just because an intelligence agent says it, still less an anonymous agent. But it is viewed as credible by the CIA, and that’s why it landed on President Obama’s desk last week, on the desk of the Congressional leadership, and was given to Mr. Trump as well. And even Congressional Republicans are talking about investigations, and Democrats, I know, are talking about impeachment.

So no, the dossier isn’t signed in pee by the MI6 guy or all his sources, because that’s not how any of this works, but it’s considered legit enough that the U.S. intelligence community is standing at attention, and so is much of Congress, from both parties.

We’re just curious how much of this Greenwald and Conway already knew, considering his association with Wikileaks and her seat at Trump’s feet. Maybe Conway has been kept in the cold, as she was brought in to replace Paul Manafort when he was pushed out of the Trump campaign (officially), on account of his ties with Russia.

Maybe the Trump team kept Conway clean, and she’s really just an ignorant ass trying her damnedest to spin this. Or maybe she does know stuff, and she’s just as much of a craven liar as her boss is.

As for Greenwald, meh, shut the fuck up.

[New York Times / BBC]

Hell.No. Hats
  • monoglot

    I prefer my intelligence locally sourced and sustainable…

    • Hobbes’ Evil Twin

      don’t forget gluten-free, dolphin safe and free range.

    • SpideySenser

      Organic AND hand-crafted.

    • Jeffery Campbell

      Locotelligence

      I’ll see myself out…

  • Hobbes’ Evil Twin

    “… despite how Putin is known for going after journalists and gays, both one of which Greenwald is and one of which Greenwald pretends to be)

    FTFY

  • Daisy

    Racoon libelz.

  • msanthropesmr

    I thought this would begin. I don’t think that this is coincidence that after Trump talked about shaking up the CIA that this leaks in a bigly way. I’d like to think that he is now well and truly fucked.

    • Mr. Blobfish

      Trump ain’t not so smrt.

    • YoNastyBunny

      “Who’s the joke now, motherfucker?”
      ~CIA… probably

      • msanthropesmr

        Probably? No, definitely.

    • Incoming (AKA Large) Ham

      I don’t understand why he would mock the crocodile before crossing the river. It’s just a bad idea.

  • Spotts1701, Resistance Pilot

    I’m pretty sure James Bond didn’t sign his reports either.

    • chortlingdingo

      Well Bond wasn’t a spy though. He was more of a secret agent. More about solving problems than collecting intel.

      Disclaimer: While I have watched every Bond film, I’m infinitely more familiar with the novels, from which the above is based. ;)

      • Celtic_Gnome

        I’ve read the books, but I have not seen all the movies because, you know, Sean Connery.

  • frrolfe
  • Swampay

    Fer cryin’ out loud, we can’t let “allegations” of Soviet Russian influence on the president-elect interrupt the coronation! We can discuss it afterwards. Maybe. When the PEeOTUS is in charge.
    ETA: …and the congress can fire a civil servant at will under the Holman act.

  • beavertank

    Allegedly, Trump’s alleged boner is so small and sad that it allegedly couldn’t even tent the front of his allegedly poor fitting alleged suit let alone allegedly stick out of it.

    Allegedly.

    • Celtic_Gnome

      And I bet his stream ain’t worth shit either.

  • Nockular cavity

    “if they actually had that conversation on the record, they probably would be killed dead by some government or another.”

    Pshaw! Not Vlad. He’s a pussycat! Oh, and polonium is good for you.

  • fawkedifiknow

    These allegations would be dismissed out of hand for just about any other politician. But when you have a guy who has the history of Trump, and video of what he is willing to say and do in public, I would believe these accusations until proven false. The burden is on him and his apologists, not the other way around.

  • DoILookAmused2u ?

    Trump on TV decrying fake news, then turns around and spreads misinformation/fake news and cites mischaracterization of hacked email contents?

    lol

  • President in Exile Firefly

    Paying hookers to pee on a bed just because the Obamas once slept in it…
    Yeah, that sounds like Trump.

    • Celtic_Gnome

      I know. Even with Ted Cruz, I’d question that one, but not Trump.

  • Mr. Blobfish

    Maybe if Trump didn’t push all that birther crap he’d get the benefit of the doubt.

  • Painter of Goats

    If James Bond was “double-O-seven”, can we call this M6 guy “double-eau-de-toilette”?

    • PubOption

      They say he is an ex-MI6 guy. It seems that he got the Axe.

      • DahBoner

        Never heard of retirement?

    • schmannity

      Double entendre.

    • beavertank

      Real spy work isn’t as glamorous as the movies make it look. Apparently it involves more peeing than I would have expected.

  • kindness

    “Mr. President, do you know the difference between a chickpea and a garbanzo bean?”

    “No.”

    “Well, have you ever had a garbanzo bean on your face?”

    • The Wanderer

      As any watersports enthusiast will tell you, “‘Tis better to be pissed on, than pissed off.”

  • Michael Smith

    “Grandpa, how did the Civil War of 2017 start?”

    “Well, a very bad man was elected president who paid hookers to pee all over a bed, and who paid foreign agents to spy on his opponent.”

    “That’s disgusting. But how did that lead to war?”

    “Well, that bad man had a large group of followers who believed that those things weren’t as bad as having anyone else be President.”

    “What did the other candidate do?”

    “She had a private server that she used to store some emails from work, and she wasn’t supposed to do that.”

    “Wait, I’m confused.”

    “Yeah. Yeah. I know.”

    • Résistance Land Shark
      • Thaumaturgist

        The emails, THAT WAS ILLEGAL. What Trumps’ guests did in the Russian hotel room was state sanctioned. Completely different.

        • Celtic_Gnome

          Now there’s one contractor I bet Trump didn’t stiff.

      • Thiazin Red

        I might have put down more canned water than that Dad.

        • onedollarjuana

          Maybe there are some Russian hookers in there, and if things get tight they can always drink their …

      • Bad Tom

        Remember to turn that crank every so often.
        Or you all will die. No, not with votes, from suffocation.

    • Jeffery Campbell

      Funny…assuming there are survivors.

  • Mr. Blobfish

    The Ruskies say they didn’t do it. What more do you people want?

    • Jon Sussex

      To avoid the splashback?

    • Meanie-meanie, tickle a person

      Just wondering what Pooty-Poot’ll do when he decides he’s made a terrible mistake. Announce an investigation has shown it’s all true, appoint a scapegoat, have him shot, and hope for the best from Preznit Pence? And can he get enough on Pence to make the gamble worthwhile?

      • boredcatlady

        Well, if you look at Pence’s policies, it’s not a hard stretch for him to be deep-closet gay. Don’t know if anyone’s ever been blackmailed for something like that, though. ;)

        • Meanie-meanie, tickle a person

          My goodness, no one would ever do a thing like that…

    • Latverian Diplomat

      “You have always been at war with Eastasia, comrade.”

  • Crystalclear12

    I am glad this is what she will be remembered for.

    how is that school search going now?

  • Thiazin Red

    Seriously what is wrong with Greenwald? I don’t remember him always being this bad. How does he have a such a hard on for Putin when Putin is pretty cool with killing journos and gays?

    • Latverian Diplomat

      “The important thing is that my smug sense of superiority has successfully defended my enormous ego.”
      — Glenn Greeenwald

      • Vincent Ricola

        Correct answer.

    • TJ Barke

      Glenn’s too blinded by Russia’s criticism of american imperialism.

    • MΩebym

      Someone posted an article about Snowden, Assange, and Greenwald the other day that points out their heavily libertarian leanings.

    • Red Town

      Perhaps he’s embarrassed at having been so thoroughly played by the Kremlin, by bringing Mr. Snowden and his many stolen files to Wikileaks in the first place – Julian is kinda tight with Vlad.

  • MynameisBlarney

    What in the literal fuck happened to Greenwald?

  • SpideySenser

    And the groups behind Hillary Clinton yada yada yada. They just never get tired of the Hillz Bashing, do they?

    • Marceline

      Nope. It’s sense memory to them now.

      • SpideySenser

        IK, R? Total lack of imagination.

    • MΩebym

      No. I wouldn’t be surprised if they fapped to thoughts of Hillary being punished in some way.

  • Meanie-meanie, tickle a person

    “Who is Number One?”

    I guess now we know…

    • Jamoche

      I am not a number!

      • onedollarjuana

        Trump is No. 1. Vitter is No. 2.

      • Scopedog

        I am not a number–I am a pee man!!

  • The Wanderer

    These idjits (they’re too dumb to be honored with the appellation “idiot”) have no idea what an actual spy does, or how they might be able to let some data out discreetly.

    I cite a statement from the Vietnam years: A CIA agent was asked what the agency was doing. His response was, “You don’t know; you don’t WANT to know.”

  • goonemeritus

    I’m not saying that Glenn was in the splash radius per say but his consistent obfuscation on all issues related to Trump and Russia make me curious about his dry cleaning expenditures.

  • schmannity

    This is why it was always so easy to unmask the Mission Impossible plots. Targets only had to read the forward, acknowledgements, and footnotes to figure out the scheme and who was behind it.

  • Thiazin Red

    Shouldn’t a journalist understand about protecting sources, or does that not matter when its about his imaginary boyfriend Putin?

    • Résistance Land Shark

      No, it’s because he’s an imaginary journalist.

  • Gert

    I guess we just have to believe everything the Central Lying Agency tells us, huh? Just like in the run up to the Iraq debacle, amiright?

    Seems to me the real partisan idjit is Evan here, not Greenwald.

    Go on, call me a ‘troll’ now, you know you want to,

    • Thaumaturgist

      No. We don’t have to believe anything the Central Lying Agency tells us. We just have to believe everything Trump tells us, because Trump’s word is golden.

      • TJ Barke

        A veritable shower of truth.

        • Oblios_Cap

          No leaks in his administration, nosireebob.

    • Ricky Gay

      hmm, Central Lying Agency. Just add ‘lamestream media’ and SOME CAPS and then maybe.

    • HazooToo

      No. You’re not a troll. You’re an idiot.

      • JMP

        They can be two things!

        • HazooToo

          Hypothetically yes. However, trolls tend to have more stamina, or at least more verbal diarrhea.

      • Oblios_Cap

        “A idiot”. FIFY.

    • MynameisBlarney

      You don’t even rate as a troll.

      You’re just a dumbass.

    • Kiri the Resistant Unicorn

      You’re not a troll, you’re just wrong about the WMD intel. Go read the Downing Street memo again, and come back when you’re able to use the phrase “cherry picking” in a complete sentence.

    • Meanie-meanie, tickle a person

      In the Iraq War blame hierarchy, the CIA and DIA rank below Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Powell, and if you don’t know that you haven’t been paying attention. Their intel was ignored time after time when it didn’t fit the narrative. So you’re all for ignoring them some more? Yeah, that’s a plan…

    • calliecallie

      Don’t you talk that way to Evan! We love Evan.

    • Good_Gawd_Yall

      Not worth the effort, you aren’t.

      • Oblios_Cap

        at least not a very good one.

        • Celtic_Gnome

          Aw, come on. If you don’t call him a troll, he doesn’t get his bonus from Vlad.

    • TJ Barke

      No, let’s believe everything that the viper pit that is Trumpenfuhrer’s inner circle says.

    • JMP

      Well you a troll, so yes. Hell, you’re even repeating lies from Trump, if you remember in the run up to the Iraq debacle what actually happened was that the Bush administration ordered them to find evidence that they had weapons of mass destruction, to which the CIA investigation returned a “Maybe, we don’t know” which the administration then spun into “this means they definitely have weapons of mass destruction!”.

      It wasn’t the CIA who fucked up there, liar. And yes, Greenwald, who has become a useful tool for the far right, is just a total idiot who should never be trusted on anything.

    • Thaumaturgist

      Can Trump qualify for a security clearance before these issues fully have been investigated?

    • Dr. Rrrrrobotnik

      You’re not a troll, you’re just silly. You got the wrong agency, you goofball! We’re talking about the CIA, not the CLA. You silly goose.

    • Edith Prickly

      What up, Trollie McTrollerson?

    • keenanjay

      Tired of hearing this, so going to correct you. It was the cell, set up at the behest of Dick Cheney, that twisted “reports” into conclusions and “actionable” intelligence meeting the neo-cons requirements for a go to war rationale. CIA probably knew fully well that Saddam didn’t have any nuclear capability but kept its collective mouth shut to stay in favor.

  • Thaumaturgist

    Are Trump’s “guests” going to pee on the beds in the White House? Cuz Obama slept in those beds too.

  • boredcatlady

    Oh god, the right wing memes on inauguration are gonna be pretty fucking disgusting

  • DahBoner

    Spies can’t reveal their identities or the identities of their sources because they’ll get murdered, dumbasses. 😀

  • Martini Ambassador

    When you’re absolutely certain that Hillary Clinton is running a child prostitution ring out of a pizza parlor because some guy on the internet thinks so, but just can’t be sure about reports coming from multiple intelligence agencies, you might just be a willfully ignorant partisan shill.

    • MΩebym

      Or you just might have an irrational hatred for that person.

      • Celtic_Gnome

        Or you might just be a dumb fuck.

  • Bozilingus

    von Clownstick still not finished peeing down our legs and telling us it is raining. Sad, bigly.

  • Ah, yet another wonderful Wonkette moment where I spray tea on my monitor from laughing; this time it was when I read “…and Greenwald’s allegiance is to whatever the raccoons who live inside his brain are telling him to do that day.” Thanks, Evan, for the laugh!

  • Thaumaturgist

    And I have spent the last several years thinking Trump was a No. 2 artist.

  • UncleTravelingMatt

    “I’m sorry 007, but until you bring me verification from a second, non-anonymous source, or a sworn statement, I just can’t authorize you to kill anyone.”

    • Me not sure

      A license to spill?

      • proudgrampa

        OK, Me, we got it! ;-)

        • Me not sure

          Edit function failure. Worse than erectile disfunction. Not that I would know firsthand.

          • Naytch

            Ask your doctor if your heart is healthy enough for Disqus.

    • Me not sure

      License to spill?

  • Beowoof14

    These two assholes only like spies whose reports support their political opinions.

  • MynameisBlarney

    NYT Goes there.

    Treason.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/10/us/politics/donald-trump-russia-intelligence.html?_r=0

    Like we’ve been saying all along.

    • Martini Ambassador

      LOCK HIS TRAITOROUS ORANGE ASS UP, GAWDAMIT!!!

      • MynameisBlarney

        And all his cronies too.

    • MΩebym

      Robert Reich (former Secretary of Labor in Bill Clinton’s Cabinet) did as well.

    • HazooToo

      It’s not really all that toothy, in the article. I wish they were more assertive.

      • MynameisBlarney

        Yeah, me too.

  • Lefty Wright

    I think Evan hit on the main problem with most members of the Republican Party and especially their leadership. Their allegiance is not to America, it is to the Republican Party.

    • Marceline

      Yep. I don’t even consider the GOP an American political party so much as an occupying force.

    • MΩebym

      The Founding Fathers had concerns about political parties. If only they were alive to see what’s happening…

  • JMP

    Well it’s not like spies who expose some of Vladimir Putin’s sinister secrets have been known to suddenly die from polonium poisoning or anything.

    • h4rr4r

      I want you to know that all your posts in my head sound like Soundwave G1.

      • JMP

        But the avatar is Shockwave, not Soundwave!

        • h4rr4r

          I just noticed that.
          Holy crap,this will change everything!

          You did a terrible job protecting that space bridge.

  • calliecallie

    I have a sudden urge to watch All The President’s Men again, and to pick up some John LeCarre novels for weekend reading.

    • MynameisBlarney

      I read “Little Drummer Boy” a few months ago.
      That was a damn good read.

    • Meanie-meanie, tickle a person

      I’ve been watching Bond movies a lot lately…

  • ConnieHinesDorothyProvine

    Give Drumpf time and he’ll demand that Brazil’s president – the one installed after the parliament ordered Dilma Rousseff out of office under peculiar circumstances – arrest Glenn Greenwald. The talking pumpkin already called for Edward Snowden’s prosecution.

    As for anyone who’s called Greenwald a member of the alt right, remember that Greenwald is in a same-sex interracial relationship with a man who just got elected to office as a socialist. The right wing has as much love for Greenwald as they do for Michael Moore

    • jesuswasablack

      “As for anyone who’s called Greenwald a member of the alt right, remember
      that Greenwald is in a same-sex interracial relationship”
      And your point is?
      http://www.rawstory.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/Milo-Yiannopoulos-e1469037534579-800×430.png

      • MΩebym

        And don’t forget the Trump-supporting interracial gay couple who beat up a protester.

    • HazooToo

      I don’t know much about him, but if he’s taking KAC at her word, I am troubled. So many members of the press are apparently still having a hard time figuring out which side of the fence they should be on.

    • JMP

      At yet Greenwald keeps doing everything he can to help the far right in the US, because he is a moron.

      • Oblios_Cap

        And the left wing think he’s a jackass that needs to STFU.

    • Dr. Rrrrrobotnik

      Counterpoint to your last assertion: Milo.

      The right is perfectly happy with narrative-affirming tokens.

  • goonemeritus

    Thank God Trump wasn’t president in 1941.

    • TJ Barke

      There’d be nazis on the moon…

      • Vecchiojohn

        And not just the dark side of the moon.

    • Bub the Hoohah! loving Zombie

      Or October 1963. Anyway, if Donnie had been president in 1941 I’m sure he would have had a cozy friendship with Hideki Tojo and a company making money hand over fist selling scrap metal and oil to the Japanese so that they could keep their war machine well equipped as they rolled over the British and Dutch colonial possessions in SE Asia. No embargo for Donnie and his pals – there’s MONEY to be made!

  • proudgrampa

    lick·spit·tle
    [ lik-spit-l]
    NOUN
    1.
    a contemptible, fawning person; a servile flatterer or toady.

    Remind you of anyone?

    • Bub the Hoohah! loving Zombie

      AOT, K

  • Ellen D.
  • Jonny On Maui

    OT: WTF is up with snow? Cold, wet, nasty and far too slidy. You mainland folk need to get this shit under control.

    • proudgrampa

      Oh, shut up.

    • Mary Sandoras

      Welcome to the mainland. :)

    • Thaumaturgist

      If the snow is wet and slidy it isn’t cold. Moisture content of snow drops with temperature. You don’t get dry snow till the mid to lower twenties. The way you’re describing the snow, you’re prolly right around 32.

    • Bub the Hoohah! loving Zombie

      Try coming to Winnipeg. We have mountains of it right now, and it’s -25 degrees at the moment.

      • Jonny On Maui

        I’m sorry. I don’t believe that temperature exists outside of a laboratory…

        • Bub the Hoohah! loving Zombie

          We usually get into the mid -30’s at least a few times each winter. I used to fuel airplanes in -60 degree wind chills. I found it quite bracing.

          • Once when I lived in AK a friend and I were walking out to our cars after work. -20 degrees, 30 mph wind, blizzard conditions with snow falling sideways. He looks at me and says “Come to Alaska, they said. It’ll be an adventure, they said.”. We both burst out laughing.

        • The rest of the country calls it Winterpeg

      • NastyBossetti
    • Vecchiojohn

      Portland is a fucking winter wonderland today.

      • Nounverb911

        The sun’s about to come out Seattle…

      • Celtic_Gnome

        Columbus, Ohio is in the 50’s and raining. We decided to switch weather with Portland on a dare.

    • proudgrampa

      For the record, you made me laugh, you son of a gun.

      Any rainbows on the property this morning?

      • Jonny On Maui

        Don’t know. Have to ask the SIL and she’s still sleeping…

        • proudgrampa

          Well, I expect a full Maui Rainbow Report. When available.

    • C4TWOMAN

      I like it–assuming I have nothing to do. I’m making a snow kitty. Had to take a break to dry out tho.

  • Greg Comlish

    This article is a major distortion of Glenn’s positions. It is a huge disservice to associate Glenn Greenwald, a Pulitzer prize winning journalist, with Kellyanne Conway.

    • msanthropesmr

      I don’t think so. Both self aggrandizing. Both contribute to the death of democracy in the US.

      • Greg Comlish

        Not in the slightest. You know what contributes to the death of democracy? The ubiquitous surveillance state, the massive and lawless use of drone assassinations, failure to uphold our laws such as those regarding torture and the financial fraud that stole more than a trillion dollars from working Americans.

        Are you happy about that? Are you happy that Donald Trump is inheriting an insane amount of executive power? Are you happy that the same torturers and banker-thieves that Obama repeatedly refused to prosecute are going to be in charge?

        Glenn Greenwald and the Intercept have been dogged about holding Obama accountable for his administration’s failures. Consequently, Glenn get a lot of shit thrown at him by political hacks. They never engage Glenn substantively, but attack him with the same book of tricks: distort his position, associate him with villains, and other baseless ad hominem attacks.

        • msanthropesmr

          Your reply is “both sides do it” malarkey. Glenn Greenwald gets crap because his bias is apparent in the method in which he chooses to divulge information.

          • Greg Comlish

            I just made a list of specific failures of the Obama administration. Are you claiming those failures are “Malarky”? Or perhaps you believe it is “Malarky” to report on those failures because the GOP is inherently worse?

            Maybe you believe in giving the Dems a pass. I think that’s a very foolish strategy and I appreciate Glenn Greenwald’s work to hold the Dems accountable just as he did for the Bush administration and just as he will continue to do for the next administration.

          • msanthropesmr

            If you don’t see the difference working with the banks and appointing them directly to cabinet positions, I really can’t help you.

          • Greg Comlish

            I recognize the difference between committing a crime and failing to prosecute that crime. I also recognize the difference between failing to prosecute a crime, and actually prosecuting crime.

          • You did not make a list of Obama’s failures, actually. You mentioned about the bankers going free, but that is not so much a list as pointing out this thing he did not do.

          • Greg Comlish

            And then there was everything else I cited in the second sentence of that post. Do you need to me to put it in a bulleted list format?

        • Dr. Rrrrrobotnik

          Greenwald doesn’t get people to engage with him substantively because many of the sources he cites to in his walls-of-text are anonymous, from dodgy or incredibly biased sources, or were written by himself. That, and he’s an extremely unrewarding person to debate with, as he himself indulges in self-righteous ad hominem/guilt by association and holds the people he’s opposing to absurdly high standards of conduct, while ignoring or explaining away the lapses of the people upon which he depends for most of his information.

          Fine, Obama could have prosecuted the torturers, thrown the banksters in jail for… something I’m sure (they crashed the economy pretty much legally, you know) and dismantled the surveillance state. And the Republicans would have taken back the White House 4 years earlier. Just because he didn’t hit every box on your personal to-do list doesn’t justify making common cause with the enemy of liberalism itself, as Greenwald has.

        • C4TWOMAN

          “associate him with villains, and other baseless ad hominem attacks.”

          Does not know what an “ad hominem” attack is.

          Allow me to demonstrate:

          “You are wrong, Greenwald is a political opportunist. And you’re stupid for defending him.

          “You are stupid and therefore your defence of Greenwald, a political opportunist, is wrong.”

          One of these is an “ad hominum”. The other is simply uncivil and rude.

          • Greg Comlish

            ad ho·mi·nem
            ˌad ˈhämənəm/
            adverb & adjective
            1. (of an argument or reaction) directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining.

            Both of your statements were ad hominem attacks. One of them was directed at Glenn Greenwald and one of them was directed at me and Glenn Greenwald. Neither sought to engage the actual facts or reasoning used by Glenn in his argument. Honestly, I don’t even think you or most other readers could even identify what Glenn’s argument even is.

        • keenanjay

          I used to like him ages ago, then I realized he was a self-righteous little bitch. So now, not so much.

    • clubseal

      Don’t bother; they hate Greenwald here at Wonkette because he isn’t slavish to the Democrat cause.

      You’d bet they’d be on board if an anonymous “ex-spy” was circulating rumors that Barack Obama was seen communing with the tree gods though…

      • Dr. Rrrrrobotnik

        We hate Greenwald here because he’s that particular kind of self-righteously high-horse lefty that, because the most potentially viable means of electoral success doesn’t hit every box on his personal checklist, it’s every bit as bad as the other side and he won’t ever lower his standards THEY’RE JUST AS BAD HAWN HAWN HAAAAWWWNNN.

        And it’s “Democratic.”

        • Personally, I do not hate him. I just happen to consider him an opportunist first and foremost and forever.

      • If an anonymous ex spy was circulating rumors that Obama was seen communing with tree gods, Glen would publish it and scream about how it is PROOF! of all he has been saying.

      • Scopedog
    • Yr. Gma

      Is our trolls learning?

    • Scopedog
  • JMP

    They’ve learned from Dick Cheney and Scooter Libby’s example that if an undercover agent reports something that’s politically inconvenient to you, you’re supposed to publicly out them.

  • Mr. Blobfish

    The Spy Who Derped Me

  • onedollarjuana

    But what does David Vitter think of all this?

    • Nounverb911

      Depends?

      • JustDon’tSayOverrated

        iswydt
        But then we all did, prolly.

  • Robert James Nugent

    I hate to say it, but Seth Myers IS our best journalist.

    • proudgrampa

      I know, right? And he’s buried in late night purgatory.

  • Carpe Vagenda

    but again, unlike Obama, Putin and Trump are extremely supportive of Glenn Greenwald’s marriage.

  • Oblios_Cap

    Greenwald is an idiot and KaC is a bad liar. Both give cover to the cheetostained shitgibbon. Whose “performance” just now pretty much confirmed the fact that he’s a blithering narcissistic idiot.

  • Mr. Blobfish

    Also, too, the only plank in the Republican platform the Trumpers cared about and wanted removed was about Russian in Crimea. Pivot!

  • Hairstrike Alpha

    Yep it’s all just a coincidence, nothing to see here about Russia and Trump. EMAILS! WHAT ABOUT THE EMAILS! LOCK HER UP!

    • keenanjay

      Even with CHEMTRAILS, it’s remove a few consonants and you have “EMAILS!”

  • tihond

    Starting to think the son on “The Americans” grows up to be Glenn Greenwald.

  • Unpresidented Ron

    And again, what will it take before these people (not GG and KaC, they’re just Useful Idiots) get rounded up and grilled for 72 hours straight? Hell, if this was France they’d have already had ‘traffic accidents,’ and on less evidence. But no, people still figure Donnie’s going to take office on the 20th.
    Should we be worried that the crazy is airborne and will infect Canada as well?

    • HorseChestnut

      Hell, we had to sit through eleven goddamn shitfucking hours of assholes grilling Hillary Clinton about NOTHING. And Trump gets off with a five-minute weakass softball presser. With applause! The double standard is not subtle.

  • WiscoJoe

    So, Glenn Greenwald is launching a war on whistleblowers? How pernicious!

  • Lucas Foxx

    Anonymous people tell Glenn Greenwald things all the time that he has no shame publishing.

    • Peter Simon

      Give me one example.

      • Lucas Foxx

        What flavor do you like? Birtherism? Obama’s anti-semitism? Obama as worse than Bush? Hillary is a Neo-con? Snowden’s patriotism? New World Order conspiracies? Look no further than the Intercept, where no sources are ever linked.

  • Lori

    “Greenwald’s allegiance is to whatever the raccoons who live inside his brain are telling him to do that day.”

    Greenwald’s allegiance is to his self-image as a contrarian and to his hatred of the US intelligence services, a hatred which oddly doesn’t seem to extend to the spy agencies of Russia and China.

    • Erala Contratista

      Raccoons are wily, intelligent, and not given to being as silly as Mr. Greenwald on a good day.
      Apologies to raccoons everywhere, including the one under my deck (it was pouring rain).

  • BadExampleMan

    “…Putin is known for going after journalists and gays, both of which Greenwald is…”

    You must admit you batted .500 on that one.

    • Bitter Scribe

      Yes. Sneering at journalists does not make you a journalist.

  • Cousin Itt de La Résistance

    Dear Glenn

    Blasphemous Rumors.

  • unionthuggery

    Spies always sign their work.

  • WiscoJoe

    Ratfuckers. Ratfuckers. Ratfuckers.

    I don’t know what’s worse… Liberals who don’t know what ratfucking is, or deny that it exists. Or the liberals who respond to ratfucking by bending over, grabbing their ankles and begging for more.

  • Cousin Itt de La Résistance

    But cheering for the CIA and its shadowy allies to unilaterally subvert the U.S. election and impose its own policy dictates on the elected president is both warped and self-destructive.

    We are not cheering the CIA. Why do you support the FSB? Go to hell Glenn.

    https://theintercept.com/2017/01/11/the-deep-state-goes-to-war-with-president-elect-using-unverified-claims-as-dems-cheer/

    • Greg Comlish

      Glenn writes an article criticizing the actions of intelligence community and in the minds of people like you that automatically translates into support for the FSB. Glenn doesn’t even mention the FSB. He doesn’t say anything positive about Russia or Putin at all. But he criticizes Democrats and that’s all it takes for some people to label him a Kremlin-stooge.

      • Chyron HR

        So when do you expect Messiah to get around to criticizing anyone other than the party that literally controls no part of the US government?

        • Greg Comlish

          Look at the most recent article Glenn has authored. He says The “Trump presidency poses grave dangers.

  • C4TWOMAN

    “Guess what hasn’t happened, Seth? No one
    has sourced it. They are all unnamed, unspoken sources in the story. […]
    Nothing has been confirmed.

    Keep being you Kelly, that’s all we needed to know.

  • Bitter Scribe

    Of course this couldn’t have been brought out before the election because that would be so unfair to Trump.

    Plus it might have distracted from EMAILS EMAILS EMAILS!!!!!!!

    • Scopedog

      Abso-lutley!

  • Peter Simon

    Oh NO….they do understand. Spies mislead and lie to people and to their goverment ocassionally like it happened before about the WMD in Iraq.

    • Dr. Rrrrrobotnik

      Spies can only report information. It’s not their fault if, like the Bush admin. did, their information is twisted to provide the answer that their higher ups wanted.

    • WiscoJoe

      I was protesting against the Bush administration’s deliberate lying about the intelligence about potential WMDs in Iraq even before the launch of the Iraq War. Meanwhile, Glenn Greenwald was still in his “I still gave the administration the benefit of the doubt” and ” I believed then that the president was entitled to have his national security judgment deferred to” stage.

      If you think what “happened before about the WMD in Iraq” is grounds to discredit people’s viewpoints on intelligence, then it’s fair to say Glenn Greenwald has no credibility discussing matters of intelligence. It’s up to you to decide for yourself.

  • WiscoJoe

    I’ve seen this play out before. Greenwald will spend the first few years of the Republican administration giving them the benefit of the doubt and deferring to Trump’s national security judgment. He’ll run interference and obscure scandals in anyway he can. He’ll cash a bunch of checks from Fox News and right-wing think tanks. He’ll focus his criticism on how Democrats are to blame for not doing enough to prevent anything bad that Trump or Republicans do. He’ll take gigs speaking in front of young progressive groups where his main message will be “punish the democrats.” Then at some point he’ll go HAM on the Trump administration and claim that he was against them from the start. He’ll promote his “conversion” to being a hardcore Trump critic into more paychecks and adulation from liberal elites. Maybe he’ll win some awards. Then he’ll use his position as a respected thought leader on the left to help elect more Republicans by convincing liberals that political engagement or voting or democracy is tantamount to losing your righteous radical individuality. Ratfucker.

    • He’s always been a sociopathic shithead. As I’ve pointed out in the past (along with others) it’s always amazing at how he’s all for “human rights” and “freedom,” when it comes to the US, but manages to blithely wave aside those considerations when it comes to other countries – including the one he’s currently living in (Brazil).

      • Dr. Rrrrrobotnik

        Well duh, it’s not like a guy as fastidious as him would be caught dead near a favela.

    • Greg Comlish

      That is utter bullshit.

      “Greenwald will spend the first few years of the Republican administration giving them the benefit of the doubt and deferring to Trump’s national security judgment”

      Are you fucking kidding me? The entire animus of Greenwald’s career has been his fundamental opposition to the national security state. He excoriates Trump on a regular basis. Your story about Greenwald is a pure fantasy.

      • WiscoJoe

        Actually my story is based on things I’ve observed first-hand throughout Greenwald’s career. I’ve been reading him regularly since the Bush administration. This is what he’s done in the past. I predict this is what he’ll do in the future. I’d love it if he proves me wrong. We need people to forcefully and honestly oppose abuses and mismanagement of our “national security state” (or any powerful institution, foreign or domestic, state, corporate, or otherwise).

        My concern with Greenwald is that he’s what Orwell referred to as a “negative Nationalist.” That is his fundamental opposition to the national security state is so fundamentalist that he’s willing to obscure facts, launch smear campaigns against other activists/journalists, or jump to the defense of indefensible power merchants as long as it backs up his own absolutist, fundamentalist agenda.

        Also, please keep in mind that Greenwald has become an incredibly wealthy and influential political figure who regularly wields his massive power to advocate for his own beliefs. As such, I think it’s imperative that we all remain skeptical of his actions and his analysis, just as we should be of any individual or institution with immense power and a massive media platform.

        (PS: I went to see Greenwald speak in Madison, WI only days after Scott Walker was elected our governor. His speech was paid for by a right-wing think-tank. The audience was mostly young liberal and libertarian students and activists. Greenwald’s central message to the crowd, again immediately following the election of Scott Walker, was that we all needed to “punish the Democrats.” If you think Greenwald coming into Wisconsin and calling on young liberals to “punish the Democrats” in the face of Scott Walker’s election has anything to do with his fundamental opposition to the national security state, I’d love an explanation. From my perspective it was classic ratfucking motivated by Orwellian negative nationalism.)

        (PPS: Yes, my story is speculative. I’m using my historical knowledge of Greenwald’s consistent behavior to jokely predict how he’ll act in the future. I suppose that is “pure fantasy.” If you take umbrage with my criticism and my polemic warning about the future behavior of a powerful political figure, I’d encourage you to apply the same level of skepticism and opposition to Greenwald himself. I’m just a lone dude in Wisconsin with a Disqus account. Greenwald is the person in power. It’s up to you to choose your battles. Good luck!)

        • Greg Comlish

          Perhaps instead of making all sorts of unverifiable and subjective accusations you could actually link to any of the blogs that Greenwald has authored since October 2005.

          • WiscoJoe

            Nah, Google is readily available if you’re interested in Greenwald’s long career (which started before 2005). Have fun. There’s a lot of stuff out there. (Nice ad hominem attack though. I’m not sure what that was meant to accomplish. But at least you avoided addressing any of my actual criticisms.)

            I totally agree with you about not liking unverifiable and subjective accusations. I hope you hold Greenwald to the same standards you hold his amateur, powerless, working-class critics!

      • WiscoJoe

        One thing to consider, why does Greenwald state that the MI6 agent was “working as a Dem oppo researcher.” Is there evidence for this? And why is that important?

  • Shoto

    Isn’t Kellyanne Goebbels cute when she repeatedly and congenitally lies through her teeth? Bless her black, soulless heart.

  • Relativicus

    I can’t tell if Greenwald is in denial over having been used, or if he’s just defiantly doubling down for the sake of his ego.

    As for all these videos, from Tom Arnold and the FSB, until they’re actually released to the public this entire story is pointless.

    • Edith Prickly

      All of the above.

  • Peter Simon

    It is time for you block heads to wake up to the facts that Russia”s economy is only the size of Italy’s and Exxon is way more powerful than that. Meanwhile who did Trump nominated as secretary of state? It is Russia who is getting saced by the United States and not vica versa. What did the Russians ever did to you other than freak McCarthy out? Chickenfuckers. (Rob Zombie reference.)

    • In defense of we “blockheads” all I can say to that is

      bawk, bawk, BAAAWWWWWWKKKK!!!!!!

      • Peter Simon

        “my parents used to say” – If it isn’t your shirt, don’t put it on.

        • Ducksworthy

          In what language did they say this?

        • Scopedog

          Can you say that again, but this time in Russian?

        • IOnlyLikeCats

          Do you know how many articles of clothing I’ve stolen from family members?

    • You do know that normal people can be concerned about more than one thing, right? Like, for example, a dictator influencing our politicians AND the head of Exxon being named to said influenced politician’s cabinet.
      RIGHT?

    • Scopedog

      Trollin’, trollin’, trollin’….get those trolls rollin’…

    • pstockholm

      Don’t think Italy has annexed Crimea recently.

  • DachshundUberAlles

    So, Glenn Greenwald wants some confirmation on stories and that suddenly makes him a Trump/Russian hack? I realize that having him question something about the guy you hate makes you irritated, but this article is one long, childish rant.

    • Marceline

      “this article is one long, childish rant.”

      I see you’re new here.

      • DachshundUberAlles

        Your point being?

        • Marceline

          Long childish rants are what we come here for.

          • Vacuous Virgina

            And the dick jokes. And the comments. Which are NOT ALLOWED!

            Sad 😖

    • Huh. Don’t recall him ever asking for confirmation on the podesta mails or the wikileaks or the anything Clinton related.

      • IOnlyLikeCats

        I did though, and I never heard a confirmation.

    • ResistanceFighterCaptainHowdy
      • DachshundUberAlles

        So scathing, especially from a guy too cowardly to have an open comment history. I guess you’re what passes for “intellect” in this kiddie pool.

    • ltmcdies

      so tell me….do spies often come forward publically with the names and addresses of their sources….I know Wikileaks loves to publish that stuff, because they don’t give a shit if some dictator puts people in the ground but do actual spies usually do that?
      Do you think the Russian gov’t is going to confirm….oh yeh…right…we have all kinds of compromising shit on a whole lot of people.

      https://twitter.com/ajreid/status/819228414112595968

  • Marceline

    Oh lookee! We’ve got ourselves a nifty bunch of trolls.

    • Celtic_Gnome

      Them rubles buy only the best.

  • Ducksworthy

    Glenn who?

  • alpacapunchbowl

    🎶Tiny boneeeeers
    In Moscow
    Make him happyyyy
    Make him proud 🎶

    My apologies to Don Ho

  • Now you done it. Soon as school lets out this place will be inundated!

  • Mintie

    I vote she’s been kept out of the loop, because the only reason she’s there is to be the “pretty” token blonde lady mouthpiece, so why should she need to know anything important?

  • Greenwald’s allegiance is to the universal truth on much of the US far left that the Democrats and neoliberals are always the bad guys. Even in the face of actual fascism. Just like German Communists before 1933.

  • Greg Comlish

    Could Wonkette actually state their policy towards the journalistic use of anonymous sources? Does Wonkette think, in general, major newspapers should give credence to an anonymous former foreign intelligence asset connected to a political opposition group so he can make extremely salacious and completely unverifiable accusations against a political leader? Does Wonkette even think we should have consistent journalistic principles?

    I actually don’t know the answer to these questions, but I would be very interested to hear their opinion. Perhaps Wonkette might even concede that these questions raise valid concerns about journalistic ethics, even if they dislike the particular Pulitizer prize winning journalist who posed them.

    • IOnlyLikeCats

      Has anything like this ever happened before? And this isn’t coming out of nowhere. There is other evidence of something like this (I couldn’t begin to speculate on what, because I’m irresponsible). This isn’t some conspiracy theorist. This is trusted source(s), who have talked to multiple people. This is very inline with Wonkette (who has mentioned multiple times to take this with salt).

      • Greg Comlish

        That doesn’t answer any of the questions I posed.

      • Ari

        “Just trusting people” is not how intelligence is supposed to work. It is supposed to be corroborated by independent facts, (so if someone tells you that a country will attack their neighbours, you would look for documents saying so, check with other independent or differently aligned sources, look at satellite photos to see if they captured troop movements, or in a pinch, see what sort of posture each party involved is taking and whether it’s consistent with the story) and even then it can call things wrong with the best of intentions. (Remember Iraqi WMDs? They were looking so hard they found something that fit the pattern they were afraid of, classic confirmation bias, then they overreacted to the threat and pushed for war rather than weapons inspectors) If this is an issue serious enough to make public, then it’s an issue serious enough to risk sources in order to corroborate it with information that people can trust, and if those sources have been too valuable to risk, then they need to be extracted as part of the price you pay for showing this information is credible. That’s what you do in this sort of situation.

        I actually AM inclined to believe that Trump could well have been in on trying to fix the election, or symbolically defiling a bed the Obamas had slept in, these sound like things a man of his character would do. But that doesn’t mean my brain switches off when an anonymous source that the spooks have decided to trust says so. All the tip off means is that you start looking for reasonable proof before acting like these things are already confirmed for anything that isn’t supremely time-sensitive. If such confirmation exists it should have been well within the ability of the CIA to have found at least a lead to it within a matter of months.

        All this is so far is hearsay. It’s officially-backed hearsay, sure, but it’s still hearsay from one source. It’s bad enough that the man is working with white supremacists, we don’t need this story to be true in order to oppose him. Especially as there have been claims that the whole thing was an elaborate troll. (which look, now we have two sources saying opposite things. Granted, the second source are online trolls who might be trying to aggrandise themselves by claiming to have fooled the CIA, but maybe that’s why you should want corroborating evidence, because there’s an outside chance they actually DID) If we want to believe it, perhaps some actual journalists should do some investigation. Oh wait, I forgot, nobody does that anymore. =/

    • BigHorn

      Unverified and unverifiable are different.

  • Incoming (AKA Large) Ham

    What I find troubling here is that all of the “alternative media” mouthpieces like Rush are going on and on about how dishonest the intelligence agencies are and how they are out to get Trump (they seem to have amnesia about the Comey emails situation.) I would not want to be a field officer of any kind right now.

    Media can’t be trusted, fact checkers can’t be trusted, intelligence agencies can’t be trusted, Congress can’t be trusted (ok, +1 there), anyone who doesn’t agree with him can’t be trusted.

    The bitching he did about people saying bad things about him pre-prez and how he was going to sue everyone, all of those bad things could now be considered sedition.

    The troubling thing is that Trump is turning everything upside down so his tribe thinks nothing is true besides what comes out of his mouth. That sounds sort of like…what’s his name again?

    • IOnlyLikeCats

      I actually made a joke about being stoned if you disagreed with Dear Leader on my Facebook. I don’t know how long it’ll stay a joke.

      • BreakingDeadMen

        Well, you will not feel so all alone, I can tell you that.

  • ResistanceFighterCaptainHowdy

    ostensibly are not on the same side since at least 2008

  • IOnlyLikeCats

    Greenwald’s raccoons were clearly born in Toronto.

    • Edith Prickly

      HEY!! Toronto raccoons have standards.

  • nightmoth

    “because their allegiances are not to America”
    ^THIS^ a thousand times this!

  • Villago Delenda Est

    Greenwald needs to be reminded what happened to collaborators in postwar France.

    Just sayin’.

  • BreakingDeadMen

    I refuse to listen to Conway anymore. She never answers a question, just dissembles like a mean girl in the principle’s office after being caught snorting Ritalin in the parking lot. There’s nothing worthwhile to hear there.

    • agnosticsdonthatemuch

      She never answers a question because she immediately asks a question that contains the message she is pushing that day. Deflect and Attack. Pivot and Punch!

  • Celtic_Gnome

    This is going to give urolagniacs a bad name all over the world.

    Thanks, Trump!

    • BreakingDeadMen

      Single handedly wrecked Brian Eno’s shot at the Rock Hall for a couple years at least.

  • javadavis

    “”It’s very, very difficult, of course, to talk to US intelligence people. They’re breaking the law if they talk to you. ”
    Huh. Has anyone heard from Rudy recently? You know, that noun/verb/911 politician who spent the last month of Trump’s campaign talking about what his US intelligence pals were all telling him?

  • BreakingDeadMen

    IDK if Donald Trump was a category on Porn Hub before yesterday, but I know without looking it’s there now.

    • Paul

      Now THAT is disgusting!

  • Blender_415

    It would be unfair to not speculate that Conway has sprayed her fluids on His Cheetoness. Completely unfair.

  • Angela Ruzzo

    You know, I spent the entire day helping out a friend who lost a leg in an accident 4 months ago – he was going home from the rehab facility with his prosthetic leg today, and he needed groceries, prescriptions picked up, a new mailbox by his front door, and packing him up at the facility and unpacking him at home, and generally trying to cheer him up and make his life just a little bit better, and not tell him that Congress is about to cancel his Obamacare policy that will keep him alive for the next 2 years – and I come home and read the news about all this shit going on in our government. and I just got sick to my stomach. I feel as if we are all doomed. Can someone please cheer me up?

    • Paul

      Obamacare is not going anywhere. If anything, there will be some improvements but repeal died a few days ago. No worries, mate.

      • Incoming (AKA Large) Ham

        Even Rand Paul was saying it was too expensive to get rid of.

  • Paul

    Would anyone be surprised that one of Putin’s many enemies in Russia, Ukraine, etc. was the source of this material? Obviously this whole fiasco has massively disrupted Putin’s agenda for Trump before it even got started. Some heads will role – literally – in Russia over this. Of course it may be disinformation but it has certainly hurt Putin and Trump’s relationship which must have been the whole point.

  • Incoming (AKA Large) Ham

    Greenwald has become a wee bit up himself since he broke he Snowdon story. Bully for him on that, but it doesn’t make him an expert on espionage.

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