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[–]BabyEngelsr/socialism's least favorite 110 ポイント111 ポイント  (10子コメント)

I'm against the bourgeois state executing people but I can't say I'm all that upset about this.

[–]celtic_thistlefeminist 35 ポイント36 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Exactly my feelings. I don't give two squirts of piss for this asshole's life, but I don't like the bourgeois state having the power of life and death over anyone. I'm torn.

[–]zorreXInternational Socialist Organization 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Tbh I'm against it for Roof, too. This is gonna be the "wild card" for right wing rhetoric for years to come. "The justice system isn't racist! We put a white supremacist to death!" This perversion of justice only serves the right wing, because that's who has the power of the three main branches of our government now.

We, as leftists, need to PRINCIPALLY OPPOSE the death penalty under the capitalist system. 100%. No exception.

[–]hilltoptheologianChristian liberationist 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

"The justice system isn't racist! We put a white supremacist to death!"

Yes. They've got their counter-example now. All the statistical disparities, all the work of all the Michelle Alexanders, will not matter once SC executes Roof. "Yeah, we've executed a couple dozen innocent black men, but we also executed a Nazi."

[–]arthursbeardbonetrans trotsky fan -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

What do you mean now? Are you implying liberals aren't right wing? Why are so many people worried about debating? Shouldn't we be organizing revolution? I thought the whole point of socialism was about tearing down a system and putting one in place that isn't oppressive?

Arguing with these people is pointless. Our concern is shattering their power, with action. If bullets aren't flying, we're doing something wrong.

[–]MithrandirTheIstari社会主义好! 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

how do you think we actually can convince the working class to begin violent action if we dont put ourselves out in arguments and such? the point of an argument is to convince the bystanders not the person youre arguing with

the communist party/anarchists/whatever cant do shit if they hurtle forward without the support of the people

[–]imbetterthanmyselfAnarcho-syndicalist 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (3子コメント)

I totally oppose the death penalty. But if anybody should get it, it's this guy

[–]B-TrainQueer Liberation 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (1子コメント)

There's been too many innocent people executed by our justice system

[–]imbetterthanmyselfAnarcho-syndicalist 29 ポイント30 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Which is why I think it should be abolished immediately. But it's not and I don't have much sympathy for a racist mass murderer

[–]RedAgitator 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

And Breivik. He keeps doing to nazi salute.

[–]arg6442 53 ポイント54 ポイント  (5子コメント)

On one hand I believe that the atrocities that this country commits give the state no moral authority over ANYONE.

On the other hand I'm all for killing nazis so

[–]B-TrainQueer Liberation 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (2子コメント)

He's dying by the hands of a justice system that has put innocent people to death.

[–]arg6442 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yes, which is why I have a problem with killing him

[–]B-TrainQueer Liberation 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

the way your comment ended with "so" hints that you might compromise

[–]somesalvation 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I read that last sentence in Brad Pitt's Aldo Raine voice

[–]NativeRevolution 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Good, now if we could just get to the rest of them.

[–]dessalines_ 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (2子コメント)

What the fuck is going on with all the disgusting liberal pacifism in this thread. Do they honestly think that a socialist society wouldn't execute racist mass murderers like this guy? He killed 9 people, at random, because they were black. If that doesn't qualify as a dangerous infestation of violent racism that must be ruthlessly eradicated from society, I dont know what does.

Edit: also, for people claiming the state is doing this, that's actually wrong. This was a jury trial, in a state that increasingly does its best to avoid them. The innocent victims of US imperialism don't get jury trials, but through some lucky accident this guy did. If it was the states decision, they probably would've let him off with a slap on the wrist.

[–]MithrandirTheIstari社会主义好! 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

i think they have a problem with the bourgeois state doing it rather than just him being killed

[–]dessalines_ 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's possible to be supportive of certain actions the bourgeois state takes, while critical of others. Socialists aren't against the use of violence against racists, fascists, reactionaries, or capitalists. We're against the use of violence against the disenfranchised, the oppressed, and the poor. I'll leave it to you to decide which category this murderer fits into.

[–]The_BordigaTo the 'left' of Marx 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (1子コメント)

White people? /s

[–]ferncaz95feminist 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm dreaming of a White Genocide

[–]TROLL_CALIBER 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (3子コメント)

BASH THE FASH

[–]Sir_TanksalotUSSR Enterprise 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

WITH A KALASH.

[–]Arbitrary_Moniker 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Capital punishment is bad, this isn't a power the state should have regardless of how shit Dylann Roof is. And I do want to stress, he is an awful human being, but I find all of this talk excusing a capitalist state taking his life unnerving.

[–]CommunismWillTriumph 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Yeah, the Nazi war criminals also shouldn't have been executed!

[–]zorreXInternational Socialist Organization 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

That's not the point. We must fight for justice, a justice in which an abusive state like ours has no fucking right to sentence anyone to death.

[–]arthursbeardbonetrans trotsky fan 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Roof deserves death. The world will be a better place without him stealing oxygen from it. I hate the capitalist state, but if my enemy kills another of my enemies, I have one less enemy.

[–]MithrandirTheIstari社会主义好! 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

thats how i feel as well tbh, really weirded out by the amount of people saying 'nooo' to this. i guess i kind of understand the reasoning, but still.

[–]WiredSkyChomsky -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Plenty of people would cheer your execution through the same channels, just for being a Communist.

[–]Emthree3Shiny Neo-DeLeonism 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (5子コメント)

I saw a fantastic Twitter thread from Sensei Aishitemasu on the verdict (she's a great YouTube vlogger, really entertaining, possibly a comrade, or at least an anti-cap of some form). What she basically boiled it down to was that this sent a message to established white supremacists - If your aim is to die for your racism, we will kill you for it.

(Actual Tweet thread here because I'm probably doing it an injustice.)

[–]TefalSocialism or Extinction 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (4子コメント)

I fear he is going to become a martyr for the fash, indeed.

[–]iamaxc 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

they glorified him from the beginning anyway

[–]TefalSocialism or Extinction 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Glorifying the dead is even easier, especially when they died at the hands of the perceived enemy.

[–]Emthree3Shiny Neo-DeLeonism 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

The fash are bad with their martyrs, and there's little to no way to actually spin Roof into a recruitment tool, even in these rather reactionary times. When they kill him, the Nazis will shed a tear, a few white liberals will have a brief debate on NBC about capital punishment, and we'll move on.

[–]TefalSocialism or Extinction 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Do not underestimate them. They can and will turn him into some kind of martyr; this happened to Breivik even without him dying, but the fun part is that the latter is now making a butthurt fool of himself in court which helps break this image of the cool defender of whatever it is the fash think they're defending. Execute Roof and nothing will be able to change his dubious legacy.

[–]zorreXInternational Socialist Organization 34 ポイント35 ポイント  (28子コメント)

ITT: "Socialists" glorifying the death penalty

Yikes

[–]IamSJWthoughtwave 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Since when does wanting Roof dead the same as supporting the death penalty?

[–]Dennis-MooreMake it So-cialism, number one 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (1子コメント)

When it changes from "I want him dead" to "I want the state to fulfill my desire for revenge"

[–]SecretlyAMosinNagantIWW 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Why the hell do I care if it's Churchill or Stalin. Dead fash is dead fash.

[–]HuntDownFascistsRevolutionary Anti-Fascism 44 ポイント45 ポイント  (17子コメント)

If you think death penalty for violent fascists is incompatible with socialism then it's probably you who needs to reevaluate.

If I lived in a society that didn't give death to scum like Roof, I'd be disturbed. He deserves and needs to die.

[–]hotpiecommie (no tendency) 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think we may be limiting ourselves as humans if we think punishment is necessary, but this thought presupposes communism so I'm not sure what to make of capital punishment in the real world. I generally oppose any execution if the person is already incapacitated

[–]zorreXInternational Socialist Organization 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Even among mainstream psychologists, it's well agreed upon that punishment doesn't work. Yet here we are, "socialists" just foaming at the mouth. When it comes to punishment and, more specifically, putting people to death, I don't think revolutionaries realize that putting people to death is only necessary for a very short-lived period as a necessary means of properly seizing power from the bourgeoisie. Beyond that, it hardly has a place in society. We have to strive for better, for rehabilitation, in the future.

[–]Arbitrary_Moniker 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (6子コメント)

It's the capitalist state that's killing Roof, that's what's problematic about the joking 'well it's him soo...' talk.

When we say oh well to stuff like this for fascists and racists, we're still giving a pass to a capitalist state determining whose life can be taken and whose life can be spared.

[–]IamSJWthoughtwave 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (4子コメント)

I think debating the ethics of the death penalty, when talking about Roof, is just very out of touch.

[–]zorreXInternational Socialist Organization 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (3子コメント)

This isn't about the ethics of the death penalty. It's about PRINCIPALLY OPPOSING the capitalist state putting people to death.

Edit: holy shit what kind of socialists are you? Downvoted for principally opposing the death penalty under capitalism? I don't even know what to say. I'm flabbergasted.

[–]Roku2021But what about the profit? 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Why are you being downvoted? What is this sub anymore?

[–]SecretlyAMosinNagantIWW 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You're shocked that people want to see a fascist executed? You're getting down votes because of the way you're acting to opinions that aren't your own and still valid in a socialist context.

[–]arthursbeardbonetrans trotsky fan 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I oppose capitalism. Not the death penalty.

Not literally everything that happens in capitalism is horror. I breath air under capitalism, and while I oppose capitalism, I do not oppose breathing air just because it happens under capitalism. It baffles me the way people bellyache about the death penalty, when it isn't new or even close to the bloody crimes of capitalism. You should oppose secret excecutions they commit, and the murders daily perpetuated by American imperialism, but killing a fascist piece of dirt is a good thing no matter who does it. I understand the point of not wanting the capitalist state to gain ability to execute people (slippery slope is bullshit but that's another argument), but you can actually oppose the capitalist state without condemning ever single action it takes.

[–]B-TrainQueer Liberation 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (6子コメント)

1 innocent man who dies by execution is far too many for me. Think of the precedent you set by saying these things

[–]Dolphman 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The Slippery slope is a real danger when it comes to the death penalty. During a revolutionary scernio we don't want to create a culture that executes people for increasly lesser crimes to even minor annoyances. It's a punishment that should be reserved for the extreme scenarios, not used on Grandpas who tell racist jokes.

[–]arthursbeardbonetrans trotsky fan 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (4子コメント)

1 guilty man that gets away with his crime is too much for me

[–]elmoismyboy 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Fascist

[–]arthursbeardbonetrans trotsky fan 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

^ how you know /r/socialism is full of horseshoe theory liberals

[–]elmoismyboy -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

No you are just facist

[–]arthursbeardbonetrans trotsky fan 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

No, you are just a liberal

[–]hilltoptheologianChristian liberationist 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

If I lived in a society that didn't give death to scum like Roof, I'd be disturbed.

Give me a society whose maximum penalty is life in prison over one that's eager to string people up for a variety of offenses. I have very little doubt that the reason the death penalty still exists in the US at all is because we have a violent culture that retains an imperialistic, "Wild West" mentality. See also: normalization of prison rape, Guantanamo and Abu Ghraib, drone wars, etc. These things are a national pathology.

Can you tell me what the death penalty achieves that life in prison would not, in a socialist (let alone capitalist) society?

[–]crownsonthegroundWe'll keep the red flag flying here. 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Agreed. Maybe there is an extreme situation for it, I'm not going to get into that. But the excitement shown in this thread is disturbing to me.

[–]WiredSkyChomsky 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I guess we have to try to let it be a reminder that no group is immune to this kind of bloodlust. I found myself at first begging for him to be strung up before I came to my senses and remembered that you cannot give concessions to a bourgeoisie state with regards to acts of aggression.

[–]CommunismWillTriumph 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Cuz' I heard if you just have a nice heart to heart with a fascist they totally change their tune.

I don't believe in bourgeois state executions, but there is nothing wrong, in general, in executing people such as Dylann Roof.

[–]WiredSkyChomsky 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well this is within the realm of bourgeois state executions and that's what many in here are supporting. There is everything wrong with the state having this power.

[–]cherakIdeologically self-defeating hypocrisy 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah he's a violent fascist, he should be against the wall.

Wait...

[–]ReasonableAssumptionIWW 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Almost every single post in this thread is anti death penalty.

[–]zorreXInternational Socialist Organization 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You and I must be reading different threads. There were only a couple dozen comments when I commented, and there was much praise for his being put to death

[–]DeathtripRichard Wolff 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Is state sanctioned murder justice or revenge? Killing people who pose no imminent threat of physical harm to others is fucking wrong. It is our job to combat any ideological or philosophical harms that he can help pervade. We shouldn't be rejoicing killing a young man just to make a point to other people. I feel like he is completely misguided. He did something fucking awful and ended the lives of many people. How the fuck did he get there? 22 is not that old. I work with at-risk and emotionally disfunctional/ disturbed youth. I hear them say things that are downright wrong. Do I feel they are at fault? No. They are vessels through which other misguided people channel their hatred and ignorance. The amount of people on here openly cheering the killing of this young man is frankly, disturbing.

Here is a portion from his Wikipedia page detailing his upbringing. I hope people can see that this certainly plays into his ability to make rational and intelligent decisions:

Roof was born in Columbia, South Carolina, to Franklin Bennett (called Bennett) Roof, a carpenter, and Amelia "Amy" Cowles, a bartender. They had divorced but were temporarily reconciled at the time of his birth. When Roof was five,[5] his father married Paige Mann (née Hastings) in November 1999, but they divorced after ten years of marriage. Bennett Roof was allegedly verbally and physically abusive towards Mann.[6][7][8][9][10] The family mostly lived in South Carolina, though from about 2005 to 2008, they temporarily moved to the Florida Keys. There is no information about Roof attending local schools there.[11]

According to a 2009 affidavit filed for Mann's divorce, Roof exhibited "obsessive compulsive behavior" as he grew up, obsessing over germs and insisting on having his hair cut in a certain style.[7] When he was in middle school, he exhibited an interest in smoking marijuana, having once been caught spending money on it.[5]

In nine years, Roof attended at least seven schools in two South Carolina counties, including White Knoll High School in Lexington, in which he repeated the ninth grade, finishing it in another school. He apparently stopped attending classes in 2010 and, according to his family, dropped out of school and spent his time alternating between playing video games and taking drugs, such as Suboxone.[5][6][7][12][13][14] He was on the rolls of a local Evangelical Lutheran congregation.[15]

Prior to the attack, Roof was living alternately in Bennett's and Cowles' homes in downtown Columbia and Hopkins, respectively,[8][16][17] but was mostly raised by his stepmother Mann.[7] For several weeks preceding the attack, Roof had also been occasionally living in the home of an old friend from middle school and the latter's mother, two brothers, and girlfriend.[9][17][18] He allegedly spent his time using drugs and getting drunk.[17] He had been working as a landscaper at the behest of his father, but quit the job prior to the shooting.[5]

His maternal uncle, Carson Cowles, said that he expressed concern about the social withdrawal of his then-nineteen-year-old nephew, because "he still didn't have a job, a driver's license or anything like that and he just stayed in his room a lot of the time."[19] Cowles said he tried to mentor Roof, but was rejected and they drifted apart.[19] According to Mann, Roof cut off all contact with her after her divorce from his father. When his sister planned to be married, he did not respond to her invitation to the event.[9][10]

A former high school classmate said that despite Roof's racist comments, some of his friends in school were black.[13]

[–]Dolphman 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Understanding how boys become monsters is important, but once you pull the trigger there is little society can do for you.

[–]DeathtripRichard Wolff 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Is there no chance for redemption for this young man? Is he truly a monster with high levels of intelligence and intent? Is he truly malevolent? Or is he highly and terribly misguided? This is blood lust. Violence begets violence, especially when the person is not in a position to inflict harm. We are cumulatively allowing a state to sanction a murder. If a gang of people were to abduct Dylan Roof on his way to the execution chamber and beat him to death in the streets, would we call it justice?

[–]-NoobGainz-Communist 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Why do you say he is in no position to inflict harm. He literally killed 9 innocent people in a church. He is in a position to inflict a lot of harm.

[–]KeegstaMarxist 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

We're not yet in a position to rehabilitate every member of society. We are in a war right now and every fascist we don't have to exchange bullets with later is a good thing.

[–]arthursbeardbonetrans trotsky fan -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes. Neo Nazis must die. No exceptions. He cannot redeem himself. This fascist carbon waste deserves any fate that is brought upon him.

[–]TheGreatWolfyLibertarian Socialist SPUSA IWW 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

If theres anyone who deserves the dealt penalty its him

[–]clearlyclassyNo Gods, No Masters 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (5子コメント)

The death penalty is wrong. His death will not bring back the lives he took. It will not erase the anger, hatred, and pain he's brought to so many peoples lives. I think it's also quite obvious he is and was mentally disturbed. "Bash the Fash" is not appropriate here.

[–]Hynjia 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

I really don't think he's at all mentally disturbed and he's said so himself. He really just hates black people because of his indoctrination.

[–]clearlyclassyNo Gods, No Masters 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

He just really hates black people because of his indoctrination, and he may or may not be mentally disturbed. Call me a stickler but I don't think the man in question is a reliable source for his sanity. It doesn't matter anyway, even if he's perfectly sane the death penalty is still wrong.

[–]Lima_Indigo_SierraLibertarian Socialism 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Mentally healthy people do not walk into a church and shoot people.

[–]Hynjia 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

People thoroughly convinced of their radical convictions do, though.

[–]arthursbeardbonetrans trotsky fan 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This way, he can't hurt anyone else. Neo Nazis must die. Every minute he lives sends the message that you can murder innocent people at random and get away with it. Fascists deserve no mercy, in any way, shape, or form.

[–]ESPONDA1993 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Hopefully this will send a message to the "Alt-right" (hopefully the right kind).

[–]Tezcatzontecatl 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This will help them play the victim though

[–]Lima_Indigo_SierraLibertarian Socialism 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The wrong kind of message, he's been made a martyr

[–]theflyingburritto 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

He deserves life in prison

[–]hilltoptheologianChristian liberationist 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I can't say I'm going to cheer for a judicial system that has long executed innocent people, particularly people of color, no matter how heinous and obvious Roof's offense is.

So I have a broader question for those in favor of this: Why would the death penalty need to be applied in a socialist state? What utility does it have that exceeds that which can be achieved by life in prison?

[–]donkeykongsimulatorChicanx MLM 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (7子コメント)

hell yeah

[–]dessalines_ -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (6子コメント)

What the hell is going on with all the disgusting pacifism in this thread? Do they think that a socialist society also wouldn't execute racist mass murderers? This person is a literal fascist, that killed 9 black people at random, motivated entirely by racism.

[–]Lima_Indigo_SierraLibertarian Socialism 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

what exactly is disgusting about opposing the state sanction killing of a prisoner?

yes he is a fascist, yes he killed people, and had be been shot resisting his arrest there would be no problem.

However, I am severely troubled by the thought of any government having the right who decides to live or die. He's been arrested, he isn't a threat to anyone anymore, and killing him won't do anything but make him a martyr for the far-right.

[–]dessalines_ 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The state didn't decide this, a jury trial did. The innocent victims of US imperialism don't get jury trials, but through some glitch in bourgeois democracy, this guy did.

[–]WiredSkyChomsky -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (3子コメント)

I can't tell if you're purposefully dodging the point or not.

A Socialist society would almost certainly execute this piece of trash. The point is not at all about pacifism. The point is that you cannot give this power to the Capitalist state, ever.

Sure, you're fine today when they're executing a fasicst, but what happens when they go back to killing innocent people? What happens if there is a new version of the Red Scare and people call for the heads of Socialists and Communists? Well they will have the legal power and channels to carry this out.

It wouldn't even need to be directly through this method, this is part of the larger problem of excusing state violence at all levels, from police on to CEOs.

[–]dessalines_ 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

It's perfectly fine to be supportive of certain actions that the bourgeois state takes, and critical of others. Revolutionary socialists are not against the use of violence, we're against the use of unjust violence against the poor, the disenfranchised, and the oppressed, and we're for the use of violence against racists, fascists, reactionaries, and capitalists.

Sure, you're fine today when they're executing a fasicst, but what happens when they go back to killing innocent people?

The state currently does kill lots of innocent people, and I'm obviously not supportive of that, it will continue until we overthrow capitalism. I'm very happy they got it right in this instance tho.

[–]WiredSkyChomsky 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

If you allow them to carry out this act, then you don't get to pick and choose who they inflict it on. The Bourgeoisie don't differentiate, so there is only one question: do you support the Capitalist state having the power to kill its own citizens?

I know they kill lots of innocent people, that's why I said "go back to." After they move on from killing Roof, they will turn right around and continue to have no qualms about killing innocent people through the same method you are praising.

Plenty of people in the world would think the state "got it right" if they executed a Communist, I'm sure you wouldn't be too happy about that.

This is not about pacifism. I AM do the use of violence against those groups, but only within the confines of a Socialist society or a movement towards that, not when it's a Capitalist Bourgeois run state that will gleefully kill Socialists the same as they would fascists.

[–]dessalines_ 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Within the confines of a socialist society is really vague. The transition to socialism out of capitalism will be a long, protracted process. Do you not support the use of violence against racists and reactionaries at all during this process?

If you allow them to carry out this act, then you don't get to pick and choose who they inflict it on.

Yes I do. I'm for the killing of racist murderers, and against the killing of innocent people. Who does the killing does matter, but this was the jury's decision, not the states.

[–]ComradeSkltal 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Hmm this is a hard one. I'm feeling pretty good about this dude being killed but not by the people who decided his execution?

[–]WiredSkyChomsky 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I hate to tell anyone how they should feel, but as a Socialist you should oppose this. There are other means to remove him from society that don't involve excusing state violence.