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I lost $500 worth of bitcoin (self.Bitcoin)

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Ok so this is probably one of those decisions that I've made in life that I completely regret. My cousin and her parents came over a couple months ago and I decided to introduce them to bitcoin. I wanted to simulate the transfer of significant wealth to a wallet from mine (stupid), so I tried to get my uncles phone hooked up to my home wifi with no joy; his phone would not connect for some strange reason. So I decided to ask my cousin for her phone. She was reluctant at first but with some convincing of how this tech could change the world she let me. I told her to download Coinbase and she did, but was skeptical and did not want to sign up for a service with her email. So I decided that it was ok and told her to download mycelium. She did and I set the wallet up, it was a strange setup though because it did not ask me to copy the recovery words (I've used it previously and it did). So my stupid self transferred $500 worth to the wallet and described what was happening. I put the phone down when describing the process and that took about 20 seconds. When I was finished my cousin had the phone in her hand and I asked for it back. I told her that I wanted to transfer the funds back, yet to my dismay she told me to deleted the wallet. She saw me add the funds to the account and knew what was going on yet still deleted the wallet. I was so upset, probably the most I've been in years. Is there any way to retrieve these funds? I dont think so but if anyone can tell me how to I will gladly give you half of the share. Thank you.

TL;DR My cousin deleted a mycelium wallet with $500 worth of btc. Im mad and want it back. If you can do this I will give you half of the funds.

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[–]BeastmodeBisky 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Trying to put on a show and convince people who clearly want nothing to do with Bitcoin is something that people should really consider not doing.

In what way would transferring someone some money to their phone impress them anyway? Do they not have a banking app on their phone or something?

Transferring money around is not what makes Bitcoin interesting, it's the decentralization. And that's meaningless to most people so there's no point in trying to convince those who have no interest in that kind of tech to begin with. You would need to show them something that directly provides a benefit for them. Being your own bank is definitely not that killer app that's going to get regular people interested in Bitcoin.

[–]Ditto_B 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Try running some undelete/recovery software to recover the data directory.

[–]b_coin 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (13子コメント)

the problem is with the user. she does not trust unknown applications on your phone. you never do demos on a customers device. never. they have their own settings, their own internal procedures, their own porn... you broke the cardinal marketing rule, son. you always have two separate devices. you keep your funds on your desktop computer, you transfer it to an app on your phone. you get an old phone that is wifi only and demo a phone to phone transfer. THEN you ask for their phone for a live demo.

let this be a $500 marketing lesson to you (if you want a 60 minute one-on-one explanation of this please PM me).

[–]jonmurk[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (6子コメント)

I know, I understand now. I have, and will use this as a lesson for future demonstrations.

[–][deleted] 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (4子コメント)

To what degree did she understand what was going on? Did you get an explanation?

In her defense, she's probably deleted her Chase bank app many times and never lost the money in her savings account.

[–]NotHyplon 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (1子コメント)

In her defense, she's probably deleted her Chase bank app many times and never lost the money in her savings account.

funny that huh?

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    [–][deleted] 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    True. But I can see why she'd be confused, especially if she doesn't understand bitcoin well.

    [–]PWNY_EVEREADY3 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Ah the beauty of being your own banker!

    [–]spottedmarley 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (6子コメント)

    You might want to consider deleting your cousin

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      [–]commutebybike 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (3子コメント)

      If I delete the USAA app off my tablet I don't lose the funds in my checking and savings accounts. Maybe she is just used to dealing with monetary systems that make sense.

      [–]Diapolis -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

      Good point. That could also be true. I find it hard to believe though... especially if somebody just said "I just moved $500 to this account."

      Maybe OP didn't explain it well. I usually say something like "this is like cash or a physical wallet."

      /shrug

      [–]commutebybike 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      I just moved $500 from my Ally account to USAA. If I delete my USAA app, or even delete my online account, I still have that money there.

      And if someone downloads an account onto your phone, and sends $500 to it, why would they expect it back?

      [–]Diapolis 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Yeah, you might be right. If OP didn't explain it fully then what your'e saying makes sense.

      [–]pussymarijuanaguy 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Someone stole my brand new samsung galaxy note 4 with a mycelium wallet 1.63 btc gone....didnt back it up...im an asshat i know

      [–]ncsakira 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Dude, if you give people magic internet money for free they don't value it: you should give it in exchange for actual banknotes...

      If I gave you 2 titcoins and install the wallet in your phone: would you care? No, and you will delete the wallet fearing its full of malware.

      Search more about how to recover it. I remember someone had the same problem before.

      [–]Brettc286 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (5子コメント)

      Dude, I feel your pain. It's tough trying to spread the word. And the reality is that we forget how new and different this is to other people. I understand your wanting to show that sending $500 is just as easy as $5.

      I'm going to pitch in $5, maybe some more bitcoiners here can also kick in.

      /u/changetip $5.00

      [–]jonmurk[S] 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (3子コメント)

      You are the first person to understand my wanting to show how easy sending large sums of money is compared to conventional means. I really appreciate the tip. Unfortunately I am a college student and Im poor in comparison to the big picture, but on the flip side it could have been way worst.

      EDIT: No more tips though please, I would just like to know if there is a way to retrieve my btc. I also don't want to look like I am asking for handouts.

      [–]BeastmodeBisky 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      You are the first person to understand my wanting to show how easy sending large sums of money is compared to conventional means.

      But it's already easy to send money without using Bitcoin. It's a bit harder if your in the US, but even there they have Venmo and Square.

      Being able to send people money is not what makes Bitcoin interesting imo.

      [–]Brettc286 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Hey man, first-world problems :)

      [–]changetip 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      jonmurk received a tip for 16,887 bits ($5.00).

      what is ChangeTip?

      [–]archkstanton 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Yeah. Your best option like someone said would be to try recovery software.

      When I demonstrate how Bitcoin works, I usually use a small amount less than $10 and let them keep it.

      [–]joae1975 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (9子コメント)

      So what, I lost $11k worth.

      [–]minastirith1 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (8子コメント)

      How?

      [–]Talran 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (7子コメント)

      Eh, I lost 50ish from an old wallet back when there was all of a few total transactions for actual products, though that was when I could pull 5 a day, and the "make yer own bank" crazies hasn't quite all come out of the woods....

      [–]minastirith1 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (6子コメント)

      So you just basically tossed the HDD, like 90% of the other people who thought it was useless right?

      [–]Talran 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (5子コメント)

      Embarrassingly enough it was on a mini SD I lost. If anyone finds it at my old workplace and finds the wallet on it they'll be pleasantly surprised.

      [–]minastirith1 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (4子コメント)

      Sadly I'd say 99+% of people that find it will have no fucking idea what it is. I own bitcoins but I have no idea what a wallet file looks like. Unless they end in ".wallet".

      [–]ncsakira 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      wallet.dat in the programs data folder actually.

      [–]Talran 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

      Eh, I can hope, plus it'd be somewhere in the server room, and in the damn folder where I extracted the client so...shrug

      [–]edwardsnowden8494 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      It sounds like you know EXACTLY where it is. For $11K, just go get it.

      [–]Talran 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I actually searched pretty well when I lost it because it had some PSP backups which I really missed (there wasn't even really any sort of value on BTC at this point, it was just a cool thing I decided to check out, I think a guy had bought a pizza, and another had traded a ton for a drink at a convenience store....). I mean, I looked for a couple of hours, and short of pulling up each tile individually for the floor and checking the cracks, I can say it's somewhere there, just somewhere I couldn't be fucked to look that thoroughly through. Big server room. I just made a new Patapon save.

      Regardless, it's not really worth going through that large of an area with a fine toothed comb when it could be feasibly anywhere between the entrance to where I usually set up my laptop. In a secure room. (Physical lock + RFID) For my old employer. I've just kind of written it off like the coins I couldn't get out of Gox.

      I'll probably get back in if there's ever a reputable banking service I can use aside from having to trust myself and my data storage, or some guy who trades Magic Cards.

      [–]Naviers_Stoked 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      You're out of luck if no backup was made.

      [–]DerbleDoo 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      That is really, really shitty. I can't help you, but you have my sympathies.

      [–]Talran 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I put the phone down when describing the process and that took about 20 seconds. When I was finished my cousin had the phone in her hand and I asked for it back. I told her that I wanted to transfer the funds back, yet to my dismay she told me to deleted the wallet.

      I'm sorry for your loss.

      [–]ddmnyc 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      It's just as much fun to show someone how to transfer 5 cents, and no wealth at risk. Also, your cousin sucks.

      [–]commutebybike 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Sorry for your loss.

      [–]vagina_fang 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      So you tried to convince others but you should have convinced yourself of something. Did you?

      My friends delete my banking app guess what - I'm still cashed up.

      [–]Guy_Tell 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Did you try reinstalling Mycellium on your cousin's phone ?

      I understand your enthousiasm regarding Bitcoin, but on my side, I stopped long ago trying to convince anyone about anything related to Bitcoin. Bitcoin doesn't need marketing, and you don't get a 5 year old to enjoy spinach by trying to stuff it in his mouth. You tell him he can't have some, to make him curious and try it ;-)

      [–]bitpoop 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      D'OH!

      That really sucks man. Hopefully you can use some kind of file recovery software.

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        [–]ZeroTonk 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        It's somewhat unlikely that you'll be able to recover the software, but there are linux recovery tools that can try to basically just scrape all the bits on the hard-drive looking for deleted keys. If you are not pretty good at hacking into both linux and android, probably makes your chances a lot slimmer.

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          [–]127fascination 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          She needs to stop using the phone to prevent a possible overwrite of the deleted files. You will need a root level file manager with an undelete feature. Ask around in some developer forums for details. ... like xda developers

          [–]_The-Big-Giant-Head_ 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          If she deleted her bank app from her mobile the money will still be in her bank acc. That might be the thinking behind deleting the app, having said that........

          Mobile phones are very private and personal and everyone (including you) is very specific or weary of what you download on them. If you don't trust or like the app it is deleted. You should have used your own mobile to demonstrate....

          [–]JasonLeeH 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          I wonder how many of the 21 million BTC have already been lost. These threads suggest thousands may be permanently unrecoverable.

          [–]romjpn 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Why use 500$ worth of btc dude ? I always show someone with minimal amounts like 2$. It's enough and looks great to everyone. "Digital cash" !

          [–]NimbleBodhi 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Oy vey, that sucks dude...

          Mycelium is a good wallet but you really need to be on top of the recovery options when before transferring significant amounts even for these types of quick demonstrations - although I'm not sure why you felt the need to transfer that much, you could have demonstrated the technology just fine with a few hundred bits.

          Anyways, the backup option to copy down the 12 words is still available in Mycelium, you just have to click on the menu symbol and it's right there.

          Paging /u/Rassah who can hopefully provide some help but to be honest this isn't looking good... sorry man.

          [–]n4ru 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          As someone else stated - try recovering the deleted files on the system.

          [–]sreaka -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          I would get a new cousin.

          [–]baddogesgotoheaven -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (2子コメント)

          Try deleting your cousin. See how she likes that.

          [–]jonmurk[S] -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

          We haven't spoken since that night.

          [–]commutebybike 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Whose side of this argument do you think your family is going to support? You downloaded some weird, possibly malware, app onto her phone and she took removed it because she obviously didn't want it there. If any of your family has heard of bitcoin they probably know of it in the context of how often it is used for laundering, drugs, and child porn, so your actions look even less justified. Not to mention the fact that it seems like you were trying to push a get rich quick scheme onto her. Nearly everyone has had to endure a pitch from a family member about a pyramid scheme or MLM, and that's what bitcoin sounds like when you evangelize it to your family members. You'd do best to apologize to your cousin and try not to become known as the weirdo in your family.

          [–]nanoakron -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (10子コメント)

          You ask her for the $500 in cash, then she'll realise that she lost you real money. And hold her phone ransom in the meantime.

          [–][deleted] 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (9子コメント)

          Dude...

          [–]b_coin 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (8子コメント)

          yea if he did that she can take him to court and win.

          [–][deleted] -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (7子コメント)

          I don't really care about courts.

          It's just a dick move and unjustified.

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            [–][deleted] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            I don't think what the cousin did was right, but I don't think she knew what she was doing. In those examples, it's very obvious that what I would be doing was wrong, so punishment would deter the action and is justified.

            [–]b_coin -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

            whoa chill out buddy. he wasn't saying courts don't exist. he fully understands how one can recover said phone or restitution through the legal system, it is one of the pillars of our society which we build on top of. no, he's saying he's not paying attention to the legal aspect. he's saying from an ethical level that shit is immoral and unjust. /u/Phrenico is trying to show how to live a righteous life in a way that relates to certain people. especially the demographic of this sub.

            so cut him some slack and at least apologize, would you?

            EDIT: it looks like /u/nanoakron apologized :)

            [–][deleted] -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

            Aww thanks dude. Especially considering our argument the other day.

            [–]b_coin 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

            you support bitcoin? i support bitcoin. i didn't think we were arguing, just explaining each others point... your point was just mixed with percentages and factors which didn't make sense. but i digress.

            with all of the vitriol that's spreading through the community because of something as simple as the blocksize, it's easy for tensions to rise and sides to be taken. who cares if i think the government shouldn't exist. we live in a day where it does, so there's nothing anyone can say or do that will change any of that right now. so pay it no mind. likewise, who cares if you think we need to revert back to the gold standard. again, we're floating on fiat currency and all we can do is educate our friends and loved ones to be a least cognizant of escape routes when the house of cards comes falling. maybe it won't, but if it does i want to be ready with at least 2MB blocks.

            but when you mute a developer on a developer's mailing list talking about that exact issue? you hurt all of us. and for that reason alone, we should set aside differences and push for a common goal of seeing bitcoin as a viable currency and immutable ledger. not a toxic community where arguments rage between neo-lebertarians and anarchistic-conservatives. not a community where you argue about someone smashing a phone. seriously wtf/

            [–][deleted] -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Well, I agree with some of that ;)

            [–]ThinkItThrough2Times -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            That's no biggie, I lost like 10 BTC introducing people to it when it was worth $20. Nine out of ten people desolated their wallets. But you made an imprint on their minds! And now im the crypto god in their eyes! Feels kinda like the same as being the unofficial IT guy in work.

            [–]ChewyGiraffe -5 ポイント-4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            You shouldn't have used your cousin's phone if she wasn't interested. Yet, by god she's a fucking bitch.

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              [–]theskepticalheretic 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              it must be super frustrating to show something this smart, and then plane stupidity is ruining the whole thing

              Oh, the funny, it hurts.