altright 内の basedputin によるリンク I guess I'm officially alt-right now.

[–]CisWhiteMailstrom 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Okay. I better understand your background now, and I now have a better understanding of why I was banned. Thank you for being so forthcoming. Why are you being so forthcoming by the way? Haven't you been doxxed in real life? Aren't you worried about publicly acknowledging your Alt-Right beliefs? If you are, I can delete everything that we typed in order to conceal your views.

Thanks, but I'm all set. All SRD did was put the info out there so that some people I knew IRL could find it. It didn't get published or anything and I'm not at that school anymore so it makes no real difference.

By the way, I'm not the T_D user that Velostodon was talking about banning for posting race and IQ statistics.

He's a retard who I didn't hire and I never liked. I also vaguely recall him modding the discord where every cuck got together to complain to jcm267 en masse that I wasn't PC enough for them. Plus I don't think he was around for the date you got banned. I honestly wouldn't listen to a word he said.

And by the way, if you really were removed from the mod team just because you're part Jewish, then I think that's retarded.

Thanks, buddy.

You guys are doing a killer job though. The sub's blowing up and users seem to love it.

altright 内の basedputin によるリンク I guess I'm officially alt-right now.

[–]CisWhiteMailstrom 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

From my perspective, those of us in the White Nationalist community tend to have a unacknowledged camaraderie which is based on our shared experience of being oppressed dissidents. Even if the White Nationalist community is divided into tons of different camps that like to bicker with one another, we still tend to support each other when we're in enemy territory or facing a common enemy. We're also an inherently subversive movement which is constantly trying to penetrate mainstream institutions in order to advance the movement. That's why we tend to look out for one another.

I was supporting you guys as oppressed dissidents since before I ever even turned alt right. When I first showed up, one of my first actions was to make it so that people wouldn't get banned for posts made in far-right subs like /r/European. When I had more clout, I famously and publicly unbanned the entirely of /r/European. You need to understand that I wasn't the number one mod. I was the number five mod and the number one mod also modded subs like /r/conspiritard, /r/stormfront, and /r/nazihunting. After I unbanned /r/European, he told me that he'd have demodded anyone else who tried to do that. I had waited just long enough. That on top of unbanning bajillions of alt righters is plenty.

Moreover, at the end of my run I got demodded because I was planning on using The_Donald to create and popularize /r/altright, which was gonna be run by Jared Taylor, Richard Spencer, Ramzpaul, and Walt Bismarck. You can ask any of them. You can also reach out to former Coontown mod /u/JediMasterMaceDindu, who I'm sure GreatApeNiggy knows how to contact, and ask him about how I was working to try and sneak him onto the modlist and somehow get a throwaway past the other three mods who had to review him. I did plenty to subtly shill for the alt right. Not to mention, I eventually became the reason you were allowed to echo and use happy merchant memes.

And one of the ways that you can achieve that is by not immediately banning your fellow White Nationalists like almost every other subreddit does. Instead you could simply remove their extreme comments and send them private messages telling them to tone down their rhetoric in order to avoid alienating the other normies.

I don't think you understand quite how ban-heavy /r/The_Donald was. We were so ban heavy that ordinary users had often been banned and unbanned half a dozen times. "Not immediately banning" was a courtesy that we couldn't grant to literally anybody other than the mods because the sub was just so unbelievably trafficked and trafficked by rule breakers. We banned so much that getting regularly banned and unbanned was just kinda part of posting on The_Donald. We had so many bans that we once accidentally invited a guest for an AMA and then accidentally banned them.

Edit: Read this post I wrote and just look at the comments to see quite how ban crazy we were.

And by the way, I never really posted anything in T_D that was extreme. I'm very cognizant of tailoring my message to my audience. I knew that most people on T_D were Alt-Lite, and so I mostly kept my comments in line with that Overton window. Go type my username into the search bar over at T_D. You'll see that my posts were pretty damn tame. Which is why I was so surprised when I got permanently banned without warning. You act like I was some sort of mentally deranged skinhead who couldn't control my urge to post extremely bigoted content.

I wouldn't have banned you for any of that and judging by the dates, it's incredibly unlikely that I would have banned hardly anyone for anything. By the time we upped our number of mods from about 10 to about 60, we were active and influential enough that I had significantly more important shit to do than work the modqueue. On top of that, we didn't keep records of who banned who for why, so someone would have had to go through the modlist of each moderator until they found the guy who banned you. It seems incredibly unlikely to me that I would have banned you for that or that someone would have gone through that investigation. It seems more likely to me that someone just threw you a name.

You keep citing the sidebar rules as being a sufficient warning, but you have to know that most people don't bother reading all of that bullshit before they start to post. I'm sure that people violated the sidebar rules all of the time, yet you didn't immediately perma ban them without warning.

No dude, the assumption was that everyone would read the rules and that if they didn't read the rules then they'd PM us and promise to be better. We threw around bans like candy though, mostly for breaking the No SJW rule. Nobody got a warning, though people who got banned for rule 3 were often forgiven as you can see from other comments in this thread.

It seems like you reserved that trigger happy response for White Nationalists - which undermines your claim that you were secretly a supporter of the Alt-Right.

Oh boy. You don't know how bad we got when we were being trigger happy. We would encourage our subscribers to go through people's history to find any evidence anywhere that they might be a leftist. We didn't care how we found out about leftism; we would just ban or pre-ban for it. If someone had ever been a leftist then they had to publicly and verifiably disavow their leftist ideology before posting on /r/The_Donald and then they were forced to assimilate. It wasn't enough to merely claim to no longer believe in the left, but they also had to insult left wing heroes like Bernie Sanders--often publicly. Once they disavowed and promised to assimilate, we'd use toolbox to tag them and then they'd have a target on their backs. That's being trigger happy. What we did with the alt right was what one other alt righter her called "VIP treatment" to me.

altright 内の basedputin によるリンク I guess I'm officially alt-right now.

[–]CisWhiteMailstrom 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You keep repeating yourself that you banned me because you wanted to keep the Overton window of T_D in line with Trump's views - which I've repeatedly said that I completely understand, yet you keep acting like I can't grasp this concept - and because the rules clearly stated "no racism" - which isn't a satisfactory explanation if you really were a secret supporter of the Alt-Right.

What exactly does supporting the alt right have to do with not giving you a warning before banning you from T_D?

I don't know enough about TheRedPill subreddit because I find the PUA types to be degenerate, pathetic, and overly hostile towards women, and because I'm already in a healthy long-term relationship. But I don't really see why you'd cite your history on that subreddit in order to bolster your Alt-Right credentials. While the manosphere certainly overlaps with the Alt-Right, most people on this subreddit don't have a very high opinion of TheRedPill. We're mostly interested in protecting and advancing White interests, not trying to hack female psychology so that we can sleep with as many women as possible.

You clearly don't know anything about TRP, because it's not PUA and it's the most anti-degenerate force on Earth for young men. I'm pretty sure that all of the top contributors are in stable long term relationships. I'd bet anything that it's gotten more men into the gym, eating right, excelling in school, working hard, and acting with confidence than anywhere else you can go. If you listen to progressives about TRP then you're gonna be about as well off as if you listen to them about the alt right. If you don't believe me then ask titsout, who's an endorsed contributor over there.

And I'm not sure why you linked me that T_D post since it's pretty irrelevant to this conversation. Okay, so you say that you're misogynistic, transphobic, and you're opposed to political correctness. That's great. But that doesn't prove that you're Alt-Right when it comes to racial issues - the primary concern of the Alt-Right.

Because it's a post about how T_D wasn't based on my views. It's a sub based on Trump's views. It's there because you seem to have some implicit premise that if I support the alt right then the alt right would be all over T_D, which is a total nonsense premise. My own personal beliefs had nothing to do with the way the sub was modded.

I also don't believe your excuse that the T_D mods said that you banned me because you told them that they can dump blame onto you. The T_D mod that told me that you were the one who banned me wasn't trying to escape blame.

Does it matter? You broke our rules and somehow expected not to be banned. Makes no sense.

Something about you is very fishy, but I don't know or care enough about you to look deeper into it. But if you want to tell me what your views are on racial issues, then that would be a lot more useful for figuring out if you're really Alt-Right or not.

I listen to TDS and FTN each week and I follow Spencer pretty closely. I talk to Jared over the phone sometimes and Walt Bismarck very often. I'd say my beliefs are approximately in line with them. I also helped get this sub started and the policies I suggested are still in place today. This is a deeper question than I can answer fully here, but my beliefs are pretty straight forwardly alt right.


I really would like for you to answer my question though.

What is it about the alt right that would have gotten you a warning if I supported it? Are you suggesting that if I support the alt right then I wouldn't have a rule against racism? Are you suggesting that there's something inherent about the alt right which requires everyone get a warning before a ban? I just need to know whatever implicit premise you're working from. It really just feels to me like you're not upset that I didn't give out a warning. That's like saying you don't like illegals because they broke the law. I think you're upset that I made a platform which wasn't alt right.

altright 内の basedputin によるリンク I guess I'm officially alt-right now.

[–]CisWhiteMailstrom 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

So this whole thing is just that you're upset you didn't get a warning? I don't understand why the sidebar wasn't a warning. Anyone who doesn't understand that crime stats and IQ data wouldn't be too edgy for a sub that has a rule saying "No racism" is an idiot. What exactly is the problem here? What exactly would you need to be warned for?

altright 内の basedputin によるリンク I guess I'm officially alt-right now.

[–]CisWhiteMailstrom 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You don't get a notification of who banned you. I found out several months after it happened after I spammed the mods with private messages about a cucked mod that was banning people for posting race and crime statistics. They told me that you were the one who banned me.

First, it shouldn't matter who banned you because you could have PM'd me regardless. Second, a lot of mods on /r/The_Donald were too timid to be harsh with the banhammer and I told them that if they ever wanted a way out then to say I banned whomever it was. Third, the_donald bans hundreds of people per day and I can guarantee you that nobody spent hours going through tens of thousands of bans to figure out who it was. Fourth, whether it was actually me or not, I would have banned you since that is still not in the Overton Window of what Trump talks about. This is my third time explaining this to you and you still don't get it, so you probably wouldn't have been able to hide your power levels if asked.

banning people for posting race and crime statistics

I'm just gonna re-emphasize this for the fourth time: The_Donald has rules to keep the Overton Window at the level of Trump's discourse. This is not in that window. The one time where he retweeted crime stats, he had to apologize for it and distance himself permanently from that rhetoric. The_Donald was a Trump related alt lite sub that never claimed to be anything else. I'm sorry if you wanted it to be an alt right sub, but not every space is an alt right space.

And your replies still don't explain why you felt the need to permanently ban me without warning.

It wasn't without warning; the rules are clearly written in the sidebar. If you wanted to be unbanned then you should have PM'd me and promised to follow the rules.

When people on this subreddit violate the rules, I usually remove their comment and then send them a private message explaining why I removed their comment.

This sub get about one fiftieth of the traffic that T_D did. In order to have a sub like you run a sub like this, you either need to have such a ridiculous amount of moderators that it's totally impossible to communicate with them or you need to sacrifice some individual attention. I think I hit a good middle ground where I could mostly communicate if need be and I'd be able to give additional attention to those who ask for it.

Why couldn't you have done the same thing if you really were a supporter of the movement?

Because the sub was much much much larger than this one and I can't give individual attention to everybody. If someone really cares then they would usually feel like sending me a PM.

altright 内の ThatFeministGirl によるリンク I just realized that I haven't spent more than 5 minutes a day on /r/The_Donald in weeks. So glad this place is now vibrant.

[–]CisWhiteMailstrom 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I once had a very long skype session with GAN where he told me the story of coontown. You didn't get much credit.

altright 内の ThatFeministGirl によるリンク I just realized that I haven't spent more than 5 minutes a day on /r/The_Donald in weeks. So glad this place is now vibrant.

[–]CisWhiteMailstrom 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Coontown was GreatApeNiggy's success. You joined after it was a success and left before it hit its peak. When you tried to reboot it on /v/voat, it went nowhere. You don't get to claim that one.

altright 内の ThatFeministGirl によるリンク I just realized that I haven't spent more than 5 minutes a day on /r/The_Donald in weeks. So glad this place is now vibrant.

[–]CisWhiteMailstrom 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I got this sub from totally irrelevant to having nearly 450k views per month and being in the larger Reddit discussion and it didn't take much time. The policies I suggested for modding also never went away. You've just never built a successful sub before so you don't know what the process looks like in its early stages.

altright 内の ThatFeministGirl によるリンク I just realized that I haven't spent more than 5 minutes a day on /r/The_Donald in weeks. So glad this place is now vibrant.

[–]CisWhiteMailstrom 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

1: The fact that you thought anything of me says nothing about me. It says something about you think and the way you draw conclusions. It also suggests that if you accepted that bad premise without ever verifying it then you've probably accepted others. You being wrong about something is never a strengthener for your positions. Being right strengthens your positions and being wrong weakens them.

2: And you can say that I have any number of problems or that subs I helped build have any number of problems, but the facts are that my shit tends to work, your shit doesn't work, and you once recognized that enough to ask me to help you build shit.

altright 内の basedputin によるリンク I guess I'm officially alt-right now.

[–]CisWhiteMailstrom 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

So I'll repeat: We kept our conversation within the overton window of Trump's rallies. Last I checked, his rallies don't normally include IQ statistics. If you really wanted to be let back in then you could have sent me a PM where you agreed to obey the rules and you would have been let back in and left alone so long as you kept it within Trump's rhetorical realm.

altright 内の basedputin によるリンク I guess I'm officially alt-right now.

[–]CisWhiteMailstrom 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I banned a shit load of white nationalists. We had rules and a big part of those rules was agreeing to fit within the overtones window of Trump's rhetoric. White nationalism was not in that window and so white nationalists had to keep it low key. If you read the comments on this thread then you'll see a plenty of people saying that I unbanned them when they didn't so that and who gave me credit. The only catch is that they had to agree to keep it within that window.

altright 内の ThatFeministGirl によるリンク I just realized that I haven't spent more than 5 minutes a day on /r/The_Donald in weeks. So glad this place is now vibrant.

[–]CisWhiteMailstrom 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

1: If you think I have no knowledge or talent then why would you even want to, not just make amends, but to make amends by having me run your community? I don't even think you have a complaint against me. I think k this is just more of you being a negative whiny person. Hell, why is running a sub even how you'd make amends? Even if you wanted to be on good terms, why wouldn't you have a long list of friends from CT to build it with?

2: I never promoted that shirt and I don't make money off it. The guy liked my username and thought it fit with his shirt brand. Literally all I did was not-forbid him from making it. And that's what ruined The_Donald? Get real. 95% of people on his website probably just thought it was a pro-white pro-male pun.

3: AJR was a former mod of this sub and he banned your account, causing you to bitch at us in mod mail.

altright 内の ThatFeministGirl によるリンク I just realized that I haven't spent more than 5 minutes a day on /r/The_Donald in weeks. So glad this place is now vibrant.

[–]CisWhiteMailstrom 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I can't say what the reason is, but the mods don't seem to choose it any more. The front page gets there naturally now and that approach tends to favor posts that are palatable to the majority or that are more mainstream. It looked to me like the mods stopped playing with the stickies well before the admins spoke to them, but I haven't asked.

altright 内の ThatFeministGirl によるリンク I just realized that I haven't spent more than 5 minutes a day on /r/The_Donald in weeks. So glad this place is now vibrant.

[–]CisWhiteMailstrom 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I banned people for having a concern trolling negative presence, in accordance to rule 8. If they didn't break that rule, they were not banned, regardless of how I felt about them.

altright 内の ThatFeministGirl によるリンク I just realized that I haven't spent more than 5 minutes a day on /r/The_Donald in weeks. So glad this place is now vibrant.

[–]CisWhiteMailstrom 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You in particular were one of the most noteworthy concern trolls that I've ever come across. Across your two accounts, I don't think I've ever seen you say anything positive about anything. You had to go. What you do is subversive and builds nothing.

altright 内の ThatFeministGirl によるリンク I just realized that I haven't spent more than 5 minutes a day on /r/The_Donald in weeks. So glad this place is now vibrant.

[–]CisWhiteMailstrom 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The_Donald appeals primarily to normal right wingers and the goal was to make them better at being right wing. You can't do that by just hanging back and letting the free market of up votes set the front page. You need to be constantly speaking to the community it, reiterating how the sub is run, and encouraging them to walk in the right direction. If you weren't one of the ones who needed to be led then I could see that frustrating you, but it was generally positive. The sub was much more shameless and had better content than it currently does and I think that had a lot to do with the sort of leadership I tried to give it. I don't consider that communication to be drama and a lot of people in this thread seem to be saying very nice things about me.

altright 内の ThatFeministGirl によるリンク I just realized that I haven't spent more than 5 minutes a day on /r/The_Donald in weeks. So glad this place is now vibrant.

[–]CisWhiteMailstrom 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ten months ago, the sticky was changed every half hour to give the mods better control over what was on the front page. It seriously cut down on cuck posting, but didn't get rid of it completely. So there was stuff on the front page to celebrate diversity, but there was less of it and there was much more edgy content.

altright 内の ThatFeministGirl によるリンク I just realized that I haven't spent more than 5 minutes a day on /r/The_Donald in weeks. So glad this place is now vibrant.

[–]CisWhiteMailstrom 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Weird of you to say you hated my modding so much, considering that you begged me to mod /r/alternativeright with your other account.

And btw, it's one thing to say you always hated thr_donald or my hands on modding, but what exactly do you mean that I was part of the decline? I was there at the beginning, unless you're sincerely arguing that td hit its peak before I showed up when it had less than 1,000 subscribers, didn't allow shit posting, and was run by neocons.

Or perhaps more likely, you started off with a chip on your shoulder and blew a shit at me when augustjrush banned you for shilling for Jews on coontown, flipped out again when I didn't mod your sub with you, and are now just having another piss. Tbh though, each sub I've helped build became successful, whereas nobody on coontown liked you and now your alt right sub failed to get off the floor, so I don't really care what your opinion of me is, since you don't have any successes to speak of when it comes to building subs.

altright 内の basedputin によるリンク I guess I'm officially alt-right now.

[–]CisWhiteMailstrom 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

My father's father was Jewish. The original set of mods thought I was white enough but the new guy wanted me to step down.

altright 内の basedputin によるリンク I guess I'm officially alt-right now.

[–]CisWhiteMailstrom 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Don't feel bad, I got banned for supporting the alt right too :(

altright 内の cozye によるリンク It's Officially official. the_donald is cucked.

[–]CisWhiteMailstrom 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

So I'd love to know - were you gradually red-pilled during moderating that sub? Or was it sudden?

Little bit of both. I was already redpilled on gender and endorsed by /r/TheRedPill and I was disenchanted with liberalism enough to think they couldn't possibly have been right about anything ever, including race. That being said, I grew up wealthy enough to basically never run into a minority so I'd never actually thought hard about race. The_Donald was the first time anyone asked me to think about it and it didn't take long for me to agree with them.

I know you didn't used to get on with r/european, yet I think you warmed to them in the end right?

No, fuck /r/European. Those shit heads spread so many lies about the way our sub was moderated and about me personally, probably because of my username. Some of the shit they said was so mindbogglingly retarded that if any of them had bothered to check it, they would have known it was false. For instance, they said /r/The_Donald was pre-banning them just like /r/Offmychest does. We never did that and any of them could easily have checked it just by wandering over and seeing if they could post.

They're also the world champions of failing to understand the concept of not every right wing space being explicitly white nationalist. Donald Trump has never said that he was a white nationalist and I think it would be pretty immoral to link his name to that without his consent. Moreover, all races can vote for Donald Trump and the votes in swing states were close enough that if he did worse with non-whites than he did, he might have lost. Trump has connotations of European-identity, but basically it.

I eventually made peace with them, but I never actually liked them. I don't disagree with them ideologically and as both subs grew, feuding with them was more trouble than it was worth. I never had issues with what they were doing other than how they related to attacking us, but that's all I can really say about them.

Do you agree with most of the positions in this r/altright sub including white genocide?

I agree with the factual and philosophical claims made by the alt right, but I think it's too political and not personal enough. I see virtually zero talk about how to actually become attractive, attract a woman, and make those white babies. I think there's a very real danger of getting so far into activism mode that the vast majority of men never actually go out and save their race.

I'm not unworried that a lot of people in the alt right are relying on societal and cultural change to deliver them a traditional relationship when that's not going to happen. The harsh truth is that liberalism has given women a decade of full on partying and those white women who voted for Trump don't actually become conservative until later on in their lives. The only actual way to save the white race is to out-compete degeneracy by being just that attractive and excellent. I don't think it's too daunting of a task for good nationalists, but I don't think it's one that many people are taking seriously or even acknowledging.

And why oh why didn't you remain top mod? Doxxing wasn't it?

No, the doxxing was true. There was a bit of a shitstorm at my school and I ended up dropping out. It worked out though since I was able to get a job in marketing based off of my accomplishments on The_Donald and I like it a lot better than law school anyways.

Do you regret stepping down regardless?

Not really because it was probably the objectively rational thing to do at the time and it's hard to regret decisions where you can say that. I wish though that I'd started looking into potential career paths earlier than I did so that I wouldn't have had to go through that process at all. I would really like to temporarily go back for maybe like a month and uncuck the place real quick, but there's not much left to do on it and nobody was ever getting me to waste my time clearing the modqueue.

altright 内の cozye によるリンク It's Officially official. the_donald is cucked.

[–]CisWhiteMailstrom 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I've got absolutely no way of knowing tbh. I think though that they did a very bad thing to reddit when they changed the algorithm. They can try to spin it however they'd like, but at they end of the day they literally set up the website to limit right wing speech.

altright 内の cozye によるリンク It's Officially official. the_donald is cucked.

[–]CisWhiteMailstrom 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

For The_Donald?

Ideally, I'd like to see it serve three functions. The first would be a source of news, which the NYT now says T_D is the 8th most powerful on the internet. The second would be Trump's cheering squad so that he feels more compelled to deliver on his promises. The third would be two parts: It would prep neophyte rightwingers by (a) getting them used to only punching left and used to treating anything and anyone even remotely left wing as absolute garbage, and (b) mention further right platforms without attacking them so that people would eventually seek those venues out on their own and they'd do so with an open mind and genuine curiosity. I think this could be done with proper management, but the post today was bad news. It was bad news not only because it was bad, but because it's only the most extreme case of a trend that we've been seeing more and more.

More practically though, it's best seen as a finished product. I don't think there's much room there for defining the community and any attempt to use the Philosopher-king model it used months ago would be a complete disaster. As long as the mods don't remove its fundamental attributes such as being less PC than anything else of its size and kicking out all dissenters, it'll still be valuable. I think though that in terms of advancing the right wing, creatively minded thinkers shouldn't look to it for leadership. The_Donald puts content creators in a better position than ever to create content and I think that dispersing to go build shit is the way to go. I don't think it's productive to signal against The_Donald though, only to realize and accept its limitations.

altright 内の cozye によるリンク It's Officially official. the_donald is cucked.

[–]CisWhiteMailstrom 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

/r/The_Donald was never a free-for-all for alt right ideologies. People who were alt right were allowed to come and dogwhistle without anyone punching right but there was an expectation that everyone hide their power level because /r/The_Donald's primary purpose was to get Trump elected and not to spread alt right ideologies. Most people who were banned for racism were let back in as long as they promised to stay juuuuust to the left of IQ stats. Whether the line could have been drawn further right than that is debateable, but I certainly never sent "Fuck racism" to the front page.

Anyone telling you that they were permabanned for racism either did something to piss me off such as refuse to follow our rules, or DM'd one of our cuck'd mods like jcm267 who was a basic bitch neocon. I was well known as the guy to message if you were banned for being too much of a shitlord. As long as someone was willing to acknowledge that it's not feasible for every right wing space to be an explicitly white nationalist zone, they were fine by me.