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Why doesn't mainstream, nyc media ever talk about racism of nyc gay community to nonwhite gay guys? (self.AskNYC)

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Is it to protect nyc's reputation as a liberal bastion when in fact the nyc gay community is very racist to us nonwhite gay guys? Is it since white gay guys are a protected, special class for liberals who run the nyc media?

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[–]deshypothequiez 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Gurl, I've seen PLENTY of media stories about gay racism, what is your point? Even Drag Race addressed it and made it a big part of one contestant's storyline. You're cherry picking your media sources if you think no one addresses it.

If anything, NYC's queer community is one of the most outspoken about QTPOC issues and racism within the community, at least in my experience as a QTPOC.

[–]thindarkoldgaysian[S] -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

There are many stories about nyc white gay guys being racist to nonwhite gay guys? It took how many seasons til rpdr talked about the topic? Tons of nonwhite gay guys from nyc have talked about the blatant racism from white gay guys of nyc, and has the mainstream media ever talked about it? Have rachel maddow, guy benson, shepard smith, don lemon, anderson cooper, ever discussed this? They've definitely talked about how racist other cities are but have they ever talked about the racism of nyc white gay guys?

[–]random_number_string 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (3子コメント)

I can't tell if you're a troll or not. Poe's Law in action.

If you're not, well, then I'd say Tumblr would be a better place to talk about this. Them white-gay-men-loving straight white girls need a lesson in intersectionality.

Third Wave feminism > Fourth Wave.

[–]thindarkoldgaysian[S] -5 ポイント-4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Why is it "trolling" when nyc's flaws are brought up? Are nyc people as thin skinned as donald trump? Guess what? Lots of white gay guys from nyc are racist to nonwhite gay guys. But the liberal nyc media wouldn't dare talk about that since they have to pretend that nyc is this accepting, welcoming place, even if it's full of white, gay racists. If you're an ally, then u should petition the media to talk about nyc's racism instead of racism of other cities,

[–]random_number_string 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Why is it "trolling" when nyc's flaws are brought up?

It's not. It's possibly trolling when this is the only thing you ever talk about. It's like being a shill, but in reverse.

If you want credibility, branch out with your interests. Also, don't be so combative and accusatory.

[–]Usrname52 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (8子コメント)

There are racist people everywhere. Of every sexual orientation. NYC is way better than a lot of other places in the US. There is media coverage, but no, not every single racist event is reported to the media.

[–]thindarkoldgaysian[S] -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (7子コメント)

LOL, do u say there are racist people everywhere when the nyc media giddily reports on racism from cities that are republican? Nope. Name the media coverage of racism from white gay guys of nyc towards nonwhite gay guys?

[–]Nav_Panel 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

"The Media" is a business and they're out to make money which they do by garnering eyeballs and clicks with headlines designed to draw as many peoples' attention as possible. You can't blame the media too much for not picking up this "story" -- it's not relevant to the vast majority of New Yorkers/Americans.

[–]thindarkoldgaysian[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

But trans bathrooms are relevant to the vast majority of americans? The vast majority of americans aren't trans. Typical new yorker. U don't want the nyc media to report on how very racist and hateful your city actually is.

[–]Nav_Panel 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

But trans bathrooms are relevant to the vast majority of ameri

They aren't, but it's easy to spin it so that people will get upset/outraged, and outrage = eyeballs = $$$.

Anyway, nice trolling.

[–]thindarkoldgaysian[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yup, new yorkers only get upset if non new yorkers are being hateful and want that to be covered by the biased, corrupt, lying, trashy, nyc, mainstream media. But new yorkers don't want media coverage of white gay guys of nyc being racist since that won't be profitable. Please stop pretending to be a real liberal.

[–]ThirdMostAverage 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Which NYC media outlets are you talking about?

[–]thindarkoldgaysian[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Huh? Liberal nyc reporters from nbc, abc, cbs, msnbc, cnn, nytimes, too many to list, giddily report on racism if they can use it against republicans, but they're silent when nyc is full of white gay guys who are racist to nonwhite gay guys since they can't use that against republicans.

[–]ThirdMostAverage 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Who the hell equates CNN with New York? In order for stories to be national news they have to be pretty significant. I'm not sure you can get much of a story out of "white gay guys are mean to non-white gay guys". I agree with other commenters, you need professional help. You seem to have some delusions of conspiracy.

[–]tmm224 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (9子コメント)

LOLOLOLOLOL

[–]thindarkoldgaysian[S] -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (8子コメント)

LOLOLOLOLOL

Lots of nyc white gay guys think that their racism to us nonwhite gay guys is laughable.

[–]tmm224 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (7子コメント)

I'm straight, lived here my entire life, and this entire post is ridiculous. Consider a therapist

[–]thindarkoldgaysian[S] -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (6子コメント)

I used to live there but I had to move since the racism from white gay guys was very severe. The nyc media never talks about nyc white gay guys' racism since white gay guys must maintain their victimhood status according to the corrupt, lying, mainstream, trashy, nyc media.

[–]Sang_dirty_old_town 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (3子コメント)

since white gay guys must maintain their victimhood status

Looks like you are trying to claim some of that victomhood status for yourself. If this issue causes you anxiety the best anyone here can do is ask that you seek professional help in dealing with those feelings.

[–]thindarkoldgaysian[S] -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (2子コメント)

That's the problem with nyc liberals. They can't take it when their own are called the racists. Yes, I was victimize by racist, white, gay nyc bullies. No, the nyc media is still not talking about how racist white gay guys of nyc are to nonwhite gay guys, and that's 1 of the many failures of the biased, lying, mainstream, trashy, nyc media.

[–]ThirdMostAverage 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Why don't you go ahead and share your anecdote?

[–]thindarkoldgaysian[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Too many anecdotes about racist white gay guys of nyc and homophobic white straight guys of ny city. I was mocked for being effeminate by white gay guys and white straight guys of ny city. My gay orientation was questioned by white straight guys of ny city. I was made fun of for the way I speak by white straight guys and white gay guys of ny city. I was racially bullied by white gay guys of ny city.

[–]sonofaresiii 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

if someone's racist, what difference does it make whether they're gay or straight? Racism doesn't get better or worse depending on your orientation...

[–]thindarkoldgaysian[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

If you're gay, then u must have experienced homophobia, and that would make u think not to be racist. But that;s not how lots of white gay guys of nyc think since lots of them are racist, while the liberal, nyc, mainstream media never reports on the racism from nyc's white gay guys.

[–]paratactical 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (10子コメント)

I don't think mainstream media is great at reporting on racism or gay issues in the first place. When you combine the two, you get an obvious deficit. That said, if you google "racism in nyc gay community", there are a ton of hits. The HuffPo even has a whole section devoted to Gay Racism. I don't think it's actually as unreported as you think. It's just not general headline news - it's community based news.

[–]OrangeVeryBerry 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Listen as a fellow gaysian, I know where you're coming from. But racism exists everywhere. It's not a NYC thing. In fact, straight Asians encounter the same thing. Can you really target only white gay guys though? Are gay guys of color also not guilty of being racist? Black guys who refuse to date other black guys or asian guys who refuse to date other asians? Will mainstream media cover racism within the gay community? No. Will they ever? Probably not. Think about it. The only people this issue affects is people of color who are gay. The gay population is what, 5%? 1%? I don't know. Now people of color who are gay make up an even smaller percentage within that 1%. Mainstream only reports on stories that will bring massive ratings and in order to do that, you have to report on issues that affect A LOT of people. Not some small percentage.

[–]Joseph_KP 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (21子コメント)

Because "No fats, no femmes, no Asians," isn't going to get as many clicks as Mariah Carey flubbing a lipsync.

[–]Sang_dirty_old_town 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (17子コメント)

wait are people not allowed to have a preference in who they are attracted to?Sure that's a classless way to go about it, but what about OP or anyone else makes attraction to them a prerequisite for being a good person?

[–]thindarkoldgaysian[S] -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (16子コメント)

When did I talk about attraction? I never brought that up. Why are u assuming that racism is about attraction? That's classless. Preference/racism, potato/potatoe. To answer your question: If u prefer not to date an entire race, even if u can't have humanly met everyone from that race, then u can call that a preference or u can call that racism. It's the same thing. It's astonishing how no 1 is calling nyc for what it is: a racist city full of white gay guys who are racist to us nonwhite gay guys.

[–]Sang_dirty_old_town 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

So leave. Sorry buddy, but if you're that miserable here, maybe you shouldn't be here. I'm sorry you've experienced racism, but the media doesn't owe you any sort of coverage for that.

If u prefer not to date an entire race, even if u can't have humanly met everyone from that race, then u can call that a preference or u can call that racism. It's the same thing.

No it isn't. People are allowed to find any sort of physical or mental characteristics attractive or not attractive. Just because you are not being found attractive doesn't mean people are racist.

[–]thindarkoldgaysian[S] -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I used to live there but the racism from white gay guys of nyc was awful. People who write off an entire race, even if they don't know everyone from that race, are racist. Or u can call it a preference. It's the same thing. And what's with your fixation with attraction? U do realize that white gay guys of nyc are racist thru many different ways like using racial slurs and bullying us non white gay guys, right? The nyc media seldom represents us nonwhite gay guys, which is yet another kind of racism and macro aggression of nyc media's white gay guys towards us nonwhite gay guys.

[–]Joseph_KP 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (13子コメント)

I'm with you, but you know the "no non-white gays" is a thing everywhere right?

[–]thindarkoldgaysian[S] -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (12子コメント)

Yet nyc pretends to not be racist, when it is racist. Who cares about other cities? This is r/asknyc. When the racism from other cities is brought up, would u say "There's racism everywhere." Nope, but the "There's racism everywhere" card has to be used when talking about nyc's racism. Trump is president and he's considered the most racist president ever and he's truly a new yorker. The epitome of racism is from nyc, and if Trump was from a republican city, u best believe every nyc liberal media shill would be saying Trump's racist thanks to where he was born. But they aren't saying that about nyc, even if Trump's the most racist president ever, since the media has to lie that nyc is full of accepting, non racist people, when it's actually full of racist white gay guys.

[–]Joseph_KP 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (11子コメント)

The adjective most commonly associated with New York City's liberal atmosphere is "tolerant". Tolerant because when you cram close to ten million people in a city from all countries, religions, and walks of life, you kind of have to tolerate them or you'll keel over from an aneurysm at age 24. Tolerant doesn't mean folks have to be open in regards to things like dating different genders or ethnicities.

I raise the point that racial preference in the gay community is an everywhere thing in the context of your original question, "Why doesn't mainstream NYC media..." They don't, because speaking honestly the issue just doesn't garner a very wide audience for mainstream media. I don't agree with it, but it is what it is. That said, the NYC media market is tremendous and it would make sense for it to follow suit with the rest of the country -- despite however liberal and utopian some wish it to be. The vast majority of residents here were not born here. They bring their baggage from Ohio and Pakistan and Utah and Canada, etc.

I'm not sure what you're looking for here. Your assumption might not be wrong, but it's a much larger conversation to be had for sure. But if you want to pin NYC as a shitty place to date when compared against a previous ideal, then by all means.

[–]thindarkoldgaysian[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

tolerant doesn't mean

Who mentioned dating? U assumed that this was about dating. Meanwhile, lots of white gay guys from nyc laugh when they use racial slurs and bully us nonwhite gay guys. Lots of white gay guys from nyc media don't create representations for us nonwhite gay guys. That's racism as well. These are macro aggressions. If the nyc media love to call other cities and people racist, then they should call lots of white gay guys of nyc racists as well.

Trump's the most racist president ever, yet the nyc media never blames the racism of nyc for Trump's racism. If trump was from a republican city, then the nyc media would be saying he's racist thanks to the racist environment of his city.

garner a wide for mainstream media

But trans bathrooms garner a wide coverage? Trans bathrooms don't make nyc white gay guys look intolerant and hateful. Since racism of white gay guys of nyc would make them look hateful, that issue isn't covered to further perpetuate the lie that nyc's tolerant, which is really laughable.

it is what it is

LOL, would u say that about a trump presidency? No liberal says that. To this day, people are bashing trump's election. Meanwhile white gay guys of nyc have been racist but they don't get any criticism since they're mostly democrats.

follow suit with the rest of the country

Should the media stop fighting for trans bathrooms then? U don't want the nyc media to cover the blatant racism of nyc white gay guys since u don't want nyc to be called what it is: racist.

date

U keep going back to dating when tons of nyc white gay guys use racial slurs and bully us nonwhite gay guys and then tons of white gay guys from nyc media keep creating gay representation only for white gay guys. Why don't u talk about those topics and not dating?

[–]Joseph_KP 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

But trans bathrooms garner a wide coverage?

...you realize that got wide coverage because it means conservative, cis folks would have to share bathrooms with trans folks, right? FFS.

No liberal says that.

Good thing I'm not a liberal. ¯\(ツ)/¯

Still not seeing the point of your post other than trolling and complaining. Your question was answered. Bullies exist; shocker. Don't like it? Do something about it.

[–]thindarkoldgaysian[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

U do realize that it got covered since democrats had to once again use a wedge issue to make themselves have moral superiority and somehow leverage that to election votes? Hypocritical and fake democrats if the nyc media won't talk about how racist white gay guys of nyc are since that won't help their failed queen hillary get votes. The nyc media is hateful for not reporting on the racism of nyc's white gay guys. U don't like the post since it's about how trashy and racist nyc is. You've made that very clear.

Do something about it

Thanks for joseph splaining it to me

[–]yallcat 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You keep saying white gay guys bully Asian gay guys, but you don't give any specific examples, and you're using an awfully broad racially charged brush to paint a group when, to paraphrase you, you can't possibly have encountered everyone in that group. Not to say that there isn't racism here, but it kind of sounds like you're rationalizing some negative personal experiences you have had by blaming them on racism rather than your possibly less-than-sparkling personality.

[–]LouisSeize 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (6子コメント)

The vast majority of residents here were not born here.

It may not have anything to do with this thread, but this is flat out not true. Do you think the majority of people born here moved away?

[–]Joseph_KP 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Sort of. I was curious, and Google had an answer.

In 2014, 37.2% were foreign born, and 48.4% were born in New York State. With the amount of folks moving here from Westchester, Long Island, and upstate, I'm going to guess the percentage of people NYC-born is less than 40%.

This was an assumption, but the dating scene generally trends younger (under 45). It wouldn't surprise me to see that there are more transplants under that age than over.

So yeah, maybe not vast majority but 51.6% isn't exactly small.

[–]LouisSeize -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (4子コメント)

I think that study is, to put it politely, bullshit.

[–]thindarkoldgaysian[S] -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yup, racism from other cities must be reported on, but racism from nyc white gay guys is of no interest to the public. It has nothing to do with nyc pretending to be accepting, when it's actually full of racism from white gay guys to nonwhite gay guys, right?

[–]menschmaschine5 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

To be honest, what makes you think the average member of the public cares about the racism of a subculture they probably rarely think about?

[–]thindarkoldgaysian[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Would u say the same about the subculture of trans people? No, u wouldn't since the trans bathroom issue doesn't portray nyc as transphobic. But racism of nyc white gay guys portrays nyc as racist, and therefore nonwhite gay guys are a subculture the public shouldn't care about, right?

[–]sokpuppet1 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (4子コメント)

A. Who Hurt You?

B. This may come as a shock, but individuals make up both the NYC gay community and the NYC media. There is not some sci fi type hive mind controlling an entire industry like some people would have you believe.

C. Reporters report on actual events that happen, not nebulous concepts. If, for instance, a nonwhite gay man were to be attacked in a hate crime committed by white gay men and it led to police involvement and an arrest, that would be reported. If some nonwhite guys just made a mean joke, that's not front page news.

D. Who hurt you?

[–]thindarkoldgaysian[S] -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (3子コメント)

but individuals make up both the NYC gay community and the NYC media. There is not some sci fi type hive mind controlling an entire industry like some people would have you believe.

Your attempts at being witty are sad. Nevertheless, given the media's crazed fixation with anything and everything racist, you'd think they'd report on the blatant racism of lots of nyc's white gay guys, but they can't portray nyc as racist, especially after Trump showed how racist new yorkers are, as epitomized by Trump.

[–]sokpuppet1 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Your run-on sentence doesn't make any sense.

[–]thindarkoldgaysian[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

U have nothing to contribute.

[–]sokpuppet1 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You're clearly mad because you were ridiculed and mocked by gay guys of a different race. From this, you've drawn a conclusion that your limited experience represents the entire community of white gay guys in NYC. Then, from that, you make a major leap in logic that the media must be burying this story because they don't want NYC to lose it's liberal reputation. Then, you launch into something nonsensical about how Trump represents the real NYC, despite the fact that the vast majority of people here hate his guts and didn't vote for him.

Look, I'm sorry people were mean to you, that sucks. But when you go on the internet and start ripping an entire group, most of whom you've never met and have no idea what they believe, you open yourself up to criticism and scorn.

To give you an honest example, my good friend, a gay Jewish white guy, has been dating a gay asian guy for close to 6 years. I'm sure either of them can speak about the prejudice they've encountered in certain places and settings. But I don't think either of them would make the argument that everyone who is white thinks and behaves the same and that the media is in on it.

Maybe there's something about you other than your race that people don't like. From our brief interaction here, I feel like that's probably the case.

[–]CrazyStallion 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Do you have any particular examples of racism that you feel were newsworthy but weren't covered? The reason why the North Carolina trans bathroom thing that you keep bringing up got so much coverage was that it was a specific, legal action affecting an entire state and thus was much easier to report on.

Also, I mean, if this issue is so important to you, then have you done anything to bring the media's attention to it?

[–]thindarkoldgaysian[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Should white gay guys physically attack nonwhite gay guys for it to be "newsworthy"? Nonwhite gay guys are saying there is racism from white gay guys to nonwhite gay guys. As an ally, shouldn't u listen then? You're not since you're splaining it to me. The only reason that trans bathroom issue was covered and "newsworthy" was to use it as a wedge issue. Hypocriticial democrats were hoping that the trans bathroom issue would give them moral superiority and let them lecture voters to vote hillary, which obviously failed bigly. Yeah, I've written to media about it and I have spoken about it to gay guys who think it's laughable. What have u done to the media to bring it attention?

[–]sunkindonut149 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

There is a rising generation of Queer POC in NYC who are speaking out about intersectional issues such as racism.

A lot of their parties are based in Brooklyn rather than Manhattan. I noticed that there are more gay women in this group but there are guys as well, and they're based on Tumblr.