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http://www.dw.com/en/german-vice-chancellor-sigmar-gabriel-calls-for-ban-on-islamist-mosques/a-37036379
German Vice Chancellor Sigmar Gabriel calls for ban on Islamist mosques. This got me thinking.
Wahhabism is probably the worst ideology practiced today in large numbers. These people are taught to always mistreat the non-believer and not engage with them in any way unless giving them dawah (inviting them to Islam).
ISIS, Al Qaeda are followers of this interpretation. Taliban follows Deobandi which is equally bad and indigenous to the subcontinent. This too should be banned. We ought to stop the cancer prior to it spreading.
If you want to know how these people think follow these links:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1X-Fxoh-igg (Humiliate kafirs)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZuSy_WDtLo (Taking the KUFFAR as friends is HARAM in Islam by Sheikh Abu Waleed) The cunt sitting next to him joined ISIS and is a convert from HINDUISM.
These people are cancer: breed mistrust and suspicion.
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[-]kalo_asmi 19 points - [removed] (1 children)
I've heard some hate speeches in the mosque that was bang next door. The area was minority dominated so they didn't think much of blasting the speeches on loudspeakers they have for aazaan.
It's not easy to pin them down for any specific hate speech. In a very angry voice, with very harsh words, they will invoke god's ire against vague enemies. No names are taken, no religion is mentioned. But it's all fire and brimstone raining down on those who violate god's will. Listener is forbidden to socialize with heathen like that, and if brave, to "put and end to heresy". But there's no direct call for murder.
These are fishy people. Think Zakir Naik, add more fundamentalism, greater obscurity, more hate.
[-]Th3horus 6 points - [removed]
when in minority, they stay quite, when in majority convert or die
[-]germvb 43 points - [removed] (2 children)
+1000
[-]mysticrust 17 points - [removed]
Totally. Even these people's developed countries like Saudi don't allow women to leave their home without the Husband's permission. It's not even about education or finances -- it's only IDEOLOGY. Once they put the seeds into a child, it's almost impossible to reverse it. We can weaken them by closing these types of mosques and arresting people who spew the hatred.
Our country was ripped apart by this stuff. We don't need to be soft about it. Let's say it how it is. We should've banned this type of Islam in 1947, but our pathetic leadership was too busy turning the other cheek.
[-]fabsha 3 points - [removed]
The thing is that they don't ever ever take any criticism,they will just bypass the question or simply deny if anything of such sort is even written in their books.Look at these.
https://youtu.be/R-oR1WIMtLE https://youtu.be/KzWZFPzw0Ps https://youtu.be/-33rqarNTps https://youtu.be/pQzuFrMRA3M https://youtu.be/530aGmreYXw https://youtu.be/ZDKk15KcqNk
Bonus pack (how to draw mohammed):- https://youtu.be/VfXzz68OJwI
[-]sunil9224 16 points - [removed] (1 children)
As a non-wahabi Muslim. I feel the government are taking the right steps, they have banned Zakir naik and his Saudi funded organization. I hope they ban all foreign funding for religious organizations. Most of my friends are salafists and the amount of hatred is appaling. I had a huge fight when a friend was praising Osama for how he took revenge on Muslims by committing 9/11.
The salafists with their middle east connections have succeeded with varying degree in homegenizing the Muslims. The hard line salafists don't consider Indian Muslims as true Muslims and actively work in conversation. The money helps in big way.
This has been silently going on for many years, I am glad the government finally acknowledged it. Germany has banned salafists, India should do the same.
[-]mysticrust 3 points - [removed]
Yes brother. You belong to India. We need to work together to maintain the social fabric of Bharat.
[-]hsnk42 12 points - [removed]
As someone born Muslim, I completely agree. I even lived a few years in Saudi Arabia - the origin of this nuisance.
The world will be a better place without Wahabism.
[-]germvb 12 points - [removed]
Indoctrination is the first step for generations of suffering to come and would never go away. Saudi is rich because of Resources, improved Healthcare and relatively ok population.
If India is a extremely religious country with 1.3 billion people, we will forever be poor country.
[-]owaman 9 points - [removed] (7 children)
Salafi/Wahabi Muslim here. AMA
[-]sunil9224 6 points - [removed] (2 children)
do you consider shia as muslims ?
[-][deleted] 5 points (1 children)
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[-]sunil9224 1 points - [removed] (1 children)
why dont you ask Brother u/owaman
[-]prod_deshbhakt 1 points - [removed]
Sorry my question was meant to supplement your question. I will ask it separately since it offends you.
[-]hsnk42 3 points - [removed]
I can confidently say that they do not.
[-]SirEconomist 3 points - [removed] (1 children)
brother are you treated equal when you travel to saudi arabia ?
have heard enough anecdotal accounts from people working in saudi, that they treat indian's as 2nd class citizens even if they are now their citizens.
[-]dry_day_today 2 points - [removed]
when a fellow has been brain washed like such people usually are, they would happily lick the arses of saudis clean after they take a dump
[-]gilgamesh-of-babylon -1 points - [removed] (2 children)
When was the last time you fucked a goat?
[-][deleted] 1 points (1 children)
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[-]gilgamesh-of-babylon 4 points - [removed] (1 children)
Sawaal to usse puchha tha bhai tujhe mirchi kyon lagi?
[-][deleted] 1 points (1 children)
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[-]gilgamesh-of-babylon 2 points - [removed]
to pyaaj hi kaat le.
[-]Roy_Mustang2 1 points - [removed]
Be nice
[-]germvb 2 points - [removed]
what are the most extreme parts of it?
what does it say about women?
[-]mysticrust 3 points - [removed]
Do you support stoning people to death for adultery?
Should apostates who speak publicly be beheaded?
[-]bharathbunny 5 points - [removed]
Is there a backlash against people who do not follow the extreme ideologies of the sect?
How important is it for people to appear pure followers?
Have you seen people present different personal and professional faces when following the religion?( I have seen it in some of my friends)
[-]prod_deshbhakt 2 points - [removed]
What is your opinion of Ahmadis? Are they also considered as Muslims?
[-]germvb 5 points - [removed]
Let's Make Atheism a normality in India, all religious barbarism would come down.
[-]_stupid_hair_cut_ 5 points - [removed]
Ameen
[-]RohanMenon 3 points - [removed]
And also ban all the radical Hindu organizations - Sanathan Sanstha, VHP, Bajrang Dal, and close their ashrams, training centres etc. Go for it!
[-]ashwinm 2 points - [removed]
Wahhabism and Salafism.
[-]Roy_Mustang2 2 points - [removed] (1 children)
Ideas are bullet proof.
[-]sunil9224 1 points - [removed]
Syria allowed quatri sponsored mosques, we know how well it turned out.
[-]SirEconomist 4 points - [removed] (3 children)
ban all religious organizations albeit if possible ban all religions itself.
problem solved.
be INDIAN.
[-]IndianPhDStudent 5 points - [removed] (1 children)
We are not talking about banning any religion. We are talking about banning those strands of religion which actively promote communal supremacy and violence.
As a non-religious person, people should have freedom of faith, provided it does not threaten someone else.
[-]SirEconomist 1 points - [removed]
we have tried this approach..
simi poster boys of one such attempt..
we are still reeling after-effects of it
[-]tomato_destroyer 4 points - [removed] (1 children)
But Hinduism is a way of life saar!
[-]SirEconomist 2 points - [removed]
so let it be the way of life.
what's with boasting religion.
first step. cut the column of religion from all job applications - government are you listening- you pledge to be secular in fucking preamble to constitution.
[-]mysticrust 3 points - [removed] (1 children)
This is not a realistic proposition. Wahhabism is not a religion. It's a hateful death-cult.
UK locked up their most prominent preacher in that country: https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1733791/hate-preacher-anjem-choudary-jailed-for-drumming-up-support-for-isis/
The jailed preacher comparing the benifits he gets to Jizya: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWNInGNHp5Y
Down down democracy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2vBzyjpkuM
[-]SirEconomist 8 points - [removed] (1 children)
i agree with you ..Wahhabi is a parasite.
but then look at practicality.
you ban them, they go underground.
followers feel threatened and terrorist tendencies come back from sleep they were suspended in...
full blown terrorist tendencies, a blow up here , a massacre there...
why not do a blanket ban thing...
no one could say "hey, you favoured them"
[-]mysticrust 4 points - [removed] (1 children)
If we arrest their leaders, it'd be hard for them to function. We also need to cut off all Wahhabi money coming from Gulf. Banning religion will cause great upheaval in the country and religion gives people comfort so it's kind of immoral. As long as, tolerant religion is practiced it's of no problem really.
We can't play nice with these people or worry about what others will say. Wahhabi Muslims are 10 times worse than RSS and co. The latter at least love India.
[-]SirEconomist 3 points - [removed]
good luck trying to use this procedure...
it has so many recipes of fail incorporated in it that this could be easily classified as "riot-bomb" or "nuke-for society"
blanket ban is something which will be more or so acceptable - thought derived through demonetization.
[-]SiriusLeeSam 2 points - [removed]
Woke up just now. Read it as India ought to ban all wannabe mosquitoes.
[-]avatarreddit 1 points - [removed]
Lets see them ban Homeopathy first.
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[-]0ld_monk 0 points - [removed] (2 children)
India is a secular country and citizens have freedom for follow any religion. Do you have any proof that preachers in India are engaged in terrorism ? What about innocent until proven guilty ?
>These people are cancer: breed mistrust and suspicion.
Aren't you doing the same thing.
[-]Vijaywada 3 points - [removed] (1 children)
this is not about preaching terrorism this about preaching all non mulsims are worthless peace of shit. I used to live near to mosque and can understand Urdu. He was openly preaching non muslims as pigs etc and world is filthy because of them. And how do you want some teach things like that ?
[-]a_rainbow_serpent 2 points - [removed]
We need stronger hate speech laws. That will definitely land these preachers in jail, but it will also land some of the redditors here in the same bucket as they claim Muslims are filth. Suppression of speech is a double edged sword. We could of course selectively suppress Muslim hate speech, then we will be in esteemed company of Saudi Arabia and Iran..
Third option is counter hate with love. Gather up a group of people and start an education camp in the Muslim ghetto.. or start a football club with focus on including Muslim kids into main stream activities... free IIT tuition? I bet a Muslim boy focusing on education with a positive Hindu role model is less likely to listen to an illiterate shit head preacher..
[-]mysticrust 0 points - [removed]
Are you an idiot. Follow any religion? Even a religion that says stone people to death who commit adultery? Do I have any proof? People are joining ISIS from India. Your ideology makes you guilty. This is what the Americans did to denazify Germany.
[-]AvianSlam -3 points - [removed] (4 children)
Ok. Then Ban RSS, VHP, Hindu Mahasaba, self anointed swamis, etc.
[-]Vijaywada 6 points - [removed] (1 children)
RSS has its own muslim wing. It doesn't say non hindus are pigs and terrorists. It opposed triple talaq and supported muslim women should have their own rights. These people are openly preaching to hate to wards non islam.
[-]AvianSlam 1 points - [removed] (1 children)
Who cares if they have a Muslim wing? Have they committed crimes against citizens of India? Yes. That's all that matters.
[-]Vijaywada 1 points - [removed] (1 children)
committed crimes agains ?
congress ocmmited crime against india in coal scam, 2g scam
BJP commited crime against india vyapam scam etc ?
should we ban congrees and BJP to ?
The debate here is we are not banning a religion or group. We are banning practice of wahabism which is radical like Maoism, and preaches to hate and violence against non beilevers.
IF you point rss as anti to any group of people or any relgion and preaches violence against them by training preachers we can ban them for sure.
[-]AvianSlam 1 points - [removed]
That preaching has to be linked to direct violence. Has it been? I don't think so. Otherwise you can use this to start banning all sorts of stuff. You want the government to have that sort of power?
[-]mysticrust 17 points - [removed] (2 children)
Are you seriously comparing ISIS taking Yedizi sex slaves, mass executing prisoners to RSS? I don't agree with these groups stopping young couples on Valentines day, etc. But comparing them to Al Qaeda's 9/11 is wildly delusional.
[-]AvianSlam -2 points - [removed] (1 children)
I'm confused, these mosques and preachers are ISIS and committing terrorism in India?
[-]baghmama 11 points - [removed] (1 children)
They are inspiring people of India to join IS. Dont you read news? This shit comes up to often now a days
[-]AvianSlam -4 points - [removed] (1 children)
Do you have evidence linking them? How many Indians have joined ISIS?
[-]baghmama 10 points - [removed] (1 children)
http://zeenews.india.com/news/india/23-indians-joined-isis-to-fight-in-iraq-and-syria-17-belong-to-southern-states-report_1839650.html
You might bury your face in sand pretend your problem has gone, but it does nothing.
[-]AvianSlam -2 points - [removed] (1 children)
Wooooow. 23 out of 125 million Indian Muslims. What a serious problem.
[-]germvb 10 points - [removed] (2 children)
Indoctrination always starts small.
[-]AvianSlam 2 points - [removed] (3 children)
These preachers have existed for quite a bit and they have managed to indoctrinate 23/125,000,000 people. Sounds like they fucking suck at their job. More people from tiny countries in Europe have joined ISIS.
[-]germvb 9 points - [removed] (1 children)
> More people from tiny countries in Europe have joined ISIS
it's not a dick measuring contest, even the tiniest of tiny bit should be eradicated. like cancer
[-]AvianSlam 1 points - [removed]
Ok. Then VHP and their ilk also commit crimes and that's against Indian citizens. They should be banned too.
[-]99matatoes 7 points - [removed] (1 children)
Boy, you are a stupid one!!
[-]AvianSlam 2 points - [removed] (1 children)
Do you have anything to dispute what I've said?
[-]99matatoes 1 points - [removed] (1 children)
They are terrorists, even 1 of then should not exist. And you are like 'lolol theres only 23 of them in india' those were the reported ones, what about those who joined and went there and were not reported, you know the crisis in syria right?
[-]AvianSlam 2 points - [removed]
The poster made it sound like these preachers are indoctrinating millions. Turns out, officially it's practically nobody. Unofficially how many are there, 100?
That's like 0.0000008% of the Muslim population in India. Something deserving of a vitriolic hate filled post? Give me a break. Yes, terrorism is bad, but making it seem like every Muslim is a possible threat is a joke.
Plus he did not address any Hindu groups that commit crimes against Indians even though they are more in number. Why the hypocrisy?
[-]kalo_asmi 3 points - [removed]
>managed to indoctrinate 23/125,000,000
That's almost twice the number who pulled off 26/11.
It took only 19 to pull off 9/11, the event that shaped the world as we know it.
[-]that_70_show_fan -1 points - [removed] (1 children)
Yes, that is why RSS should've been banned after they actively undermined our independence movement.
[-]kalo_asmi 2 points - [removed]
Did they have any material impact on the outcome?
[-]Awerenj 6 points - [removed]
It's definitely at a completely different level.
This is the equivalent of someone proposing to improve a small part of a city, but facing opposition that the other parts aren't being done up. Typical crabs in a bucket mentality.
There is no way we can get rid of all the evils of organized religion, but we have to start acting against all non-secular, narrow-minded parts of society. One step at a time.
[-]dulcoflex 9 points - [removed] (1 children)
Neither do they as an institution support beating of women, cutting of hands for thrives or stoning to death in public for petty crimes. Why should they be banned?
[-]AvianSlam -4 points - [removed] (2 children)
Support =/= committing. If they commit those crimes, they should be arrested, prosecuted, and jailed.
Babri demolition, Gujarat pogrom was committed by who?
[-]dulcoflex 6 points - [removed] (1 children)
You don't make sense once you support something as an institution you give 1000s of a boost in committing, perptuating and normalizing these crimes. They are isolated incidents and cannot be blamed on any particular Institute as much as Islamic Terrorism can be squarely blamed on a the Wahhabi Institute.
[-]AvianSlam 1 points - [removed] (1 children)
Show me the link between these groups in India and terrorism in India. If there was one, those groups would have been banned a long time ago.
[-]kalo_asmi 5 points - [removed] (1 children)
SIMI.
[-]AvianSlam 3 points - [removed] (1 children)
SIMI is banned, which is my point. Groups which have terror links get banned.
[-]kalo_asmi 1 points - [removed]
It was active for a very long time. Even now the left wants the ban lifted.
While SIMI was directly involved in terror operations, the supply chain has evolved. Indoctrination, funding, arms procurement, planning, and operations are all under separate but lined entities. OP is calling for indoctrination entities be banned.
[-]gilgamesh-of-babylon 2 points - [removed]
>Gujarat pogrom was committed by who?
Yes please. Tell me who committed this.
[-]Screwdriver_wala 3 points - [removed]
This guy, right here , is a chutiya!
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