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Women and men can both be flawed? (self.MGTOW)

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Hey guys, I'm sorry if this post breaks the rules. I'm not trying to proselytize. I'm just a little confused by this subreddit and thought maybe someone could explain it to me. In my experience men and women are both equally capable of being selfish, shallow, and horrible. And likewise capable of being generous, deep, and kind. Of course there is a range of behavior among individuals but overall people in general can suck, or they can be great, regardless of gender. What am I missing?

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[–]JackRooks11 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Because this isn't the "fair and balanced reporting sub" It's a place for men to discuss issues that affect men that a re choosing a certain lifestyle.

Go post that same comment in any of the feminist subs, just change it up to point out that men need equal rights too, and watch how fast you get banned.

[–]ao2137[S] -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Doesn't saying 'all women are horrible' put you on the same level as feminists saying 'all men are horrible'? Isn't it possible that some women are horrible and some are not? Just as some men are? I agree that some feminists are very anti-male, and it's a problem. I think that's an incorrect mentality that can be corrected with education and exposure that reminds us that whatever gender stuff is going on we are all for the most part decent human beings just trying our best to get through it all.

[–]JackRooks11 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Please look at the sidebar. What you're doing with this whole thread is called Tone Policing, and it's against the rules.

It's a common shaming tactic used by those that want to control a debate by trying to force the opposition into taking the high ground while they continue to sling mud.

Reported.

[–]frikabg 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (4子コメント)

We are all flawed in a way and noone and nothing is perfect that is a fact. This subreddit is focused on man learning to better themselves and even more focused on calling women's bullshit! Like for example a woman kills a man because she was afraid that he was going to hurt her by stabbing him to death while he was taking hard of his lawn. The judge lets her off because she was a victim.

Society in general is supporting women and not supporting man examples: A women hits a man police comes most of the time nothing is being done. A man hits a women police comes the man is charged with battery. OR A women says a man raped her with no proof and as a result the man is losing his job/social status and might even go to prison when he didn't commit the crime.

I can keep on going but you get the point. In general this subreddit focuses on those issues and shows you the absolutely horrible nature of women. I know bad men too and although breaking both of your legs could be painful and crippling for life is still a walk in the park comparing to what some of the men over here went through while they had women in their lives >.< and no from my point of view that is not exaggeration.

[–]ao2137[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

I agree that domestic violence against men is minimized and dismissed, and agree that is widespread sexist injustice. I also agree that unfounded rape allegations occur and can ruin a man's life in a horrible way. The part that I don't understand is why the existence of those kinds of acts 'shows you the absolutely horrible nature of women' as you say above. I would say that they show the absolutely horrible nature of some people, period. Actual acts of violence against women committed by men doesn't show that men have an absolutely horrible nature, it shows that some individuals do. Again maybe I am missing something.

[–]frikabg 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I see what you mean. The thing is that all people here have accepted that 'AWALT' -> all women are like that which translates to every women is capable of treating you like shit for her own benefit. We believe that it is in woman's nature to put a chain on your neck in order to control you and use you for your resources. It is not a problem of 1-2 women being like that it is a widespread phenomenon which is being supported by society at this point. Things got so bad for the last 10 years that you can easily see cases where women can get away with murder. You seem to believe that not all women are like that which is fair and you have a right to your point of view and although their might be some women all there that are not like that they are nothing more but an exception to the rule other than that chances are that if you go into a relationship with a women she will put a facade at the beginning of the relationship until your marry her after which she will start treating you like a disposable tampon.

There are plenty of videos/youtube channels which explain why women act like that in great detail and why man take this shit and you can get plenty of evidence of that after you go through the material in your life and the women around you :)

[–]ao2137[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Ah, it's the AWALT! That's the part I wasn't understanding. Now I get where you are coming from. Thank you.

[–]Tyler_Gatsby 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Also, it has a slightly different secondary meaning for some of us. Some of us believe that even if you have a healthy balanced relationship with a woman, treating women like princesses more times than not makes her bored- if not outright annoyed by your kiss ass, and her feelings for you change. The more you give a woman, the less she appreciates.

[–]project_mayhem_ 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

What am I missing?

that a lot of the seriously fucked up things a woman can do to ruin a man's life are entirely common and socially acceptable. yes, men sometimes abuse their partners or commit violent crime. the entire human population abhors this aberrant, criminal behavior committed by a tiny fraction of men. women, on the other hand, can and regularly do make unilateral family formation decisions against the express wishes of their partners and use lies and manipulation to create conflict between others. the entire human population denies that this is even possible, and hates us for having noticed it.

[–]ao2137[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I was raised by a toxic mother who, among other things, did everything she could to destroy my relationship with my father and consolidate his finances in her control. I understand how much pain family formation decisions can exact and how invisible it is to an outsider. I agree that it is a widespread phenomenon. It's hard for me to make the leap from hating the act, and the actor, to thinking that all actors of the same gender are equally craven. That's where you lose me. But I think I am being a buzzkill on this subreddit and should just let it lie. No offense meant, was truly curious.

[–]im_moreofanideaguy 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I enjoy the criticism, please don't shy away. We're all trying to figure out this thing called life. Nobody gives us an instruction manual at birth... we just get thrown into this mess and have to rely on our own intuition and discernment.

My mother is the same way. My father is a financial slave. The only way for the host to remove the parasite is to hit rock bottom, and since he's an alcoholic it will probably kill him. It's a shitty situation all around, and it's hard to say who's to blame.

[–]project_mayhem_ 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

it's all good. but just so we're clear, women do this fucked up shit so often, it's hard to imagine that any of them won't do it if they have occasion to want to. and the response from society is to pretend it doesn't happen to the extent that most statistics from organizations ostensibly in favor of supporting "families" simply count any man living with a mother as the "father".

men are more violent and competitive. women are more able to believe their own lies and reinterpret their own memories of events to selfishly make themselves the victims of everything. one of these is common knowledge. the other is criminal wrongthink.