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[–]megpen 31 ポイント32 ポイント  (4子コメント)

$34.55 is not the correct amount for 2015 transcription payments, but in the episode Dick explains that the transcriptions are the only expense that he was never in charge of documenting. Maddox always paid us directly from his PayPal, so the $34.55 is due to some other minor discrepancy unrelated to what Laurie and I were paid. I think he just listed it as a blank item for the sake of completeness and as a reminder that we were paid separately from all the other listed expenses.

[–]lago-m-orphDo you even know what is a libertarian?[S] 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Care to disclose the amount so I can revise the OP?

[–]megpen 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I don't know the entire amount that was paid for both of our transcriptions, only the portion that went to me personally. Would knowing the specific amount that was paid to both of us have a significant effect on your analysis though? I know you're just asking for the sake of thoroughness, but it wouldn't change the fact that Dick wasn't responsible for reporting the transcriptions as an expense.

[–]lago-m-orphDo you even know what is a libertarian?[S] 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yeah, just wanted to know for completeness. nbd. Thanks for the info, though!

[–]Madcucks#DickLies 79 ポイント80 ポイント  (6子コメント)

I don't need 2,000 Reddit shills downloading my podcast for everyone in their family to inflate my numbers. I have a very small but supportive fanbase, who are very smart, and handsome, and well educated almost to a fault. I don't want bunch of rape apologist losers listening to Best Debate. In fact, everyone on the Subreddit is hereby banned from Madcast Media, you will never get a nice leather bag from Kendall and Hide.

[–]ChanceTheDogDoing Deadlifts 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (4子コメント)

I thought all your fans were idiots and dullards.

[–]lago-m-orphDo you even know what is a libertarian?[S] 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Maddox vs. Maddox

[–]Madcucks#DickLies 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (2子コメント)

All the ones I used to have, I've weeded out the idiots and dullards.

[–]fratstache 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

What about the slacktavists?

[–]Madcucks#DickLies 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Slacktivists are not permitted on Madcast Media. Unless they're super socially conscious like minded performers, then I'll allow it.

[–]loangod 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

There are more than 2,000 of us... Some of us don't post. We read and form opinions.

[–]blockduuuuudeSativa Sean 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Cue the Titanic bit...

[–]elvenmonk 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (0子コメント)

So this is what Maddox meant with finding other ways to do it

[–]squirrelmasterzero 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Maddox is an asshole...

He can go fuckkkkk himself...

[–]elvenmonk 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (37子コメント)

So the discrepancy is that Maddox owes dick?

[–]Wyld0rc 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Very shady indeed!

[–]HotPikachuSexPEW PEW PEW PEW PEW 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Who does he owe it to?

[–]jaimanstone 34 ポイント35 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Fuck man, excellent work on this.

I've been a Maddox fan for well over a decade, but no more. Dick deserves his success especially after the absolute hatchet job MadCuck pulled on him, fuck Maddox, he's proven he's an asshole.

[–]sp441 27 ポイント28 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thing is, Dick right now is more Maddox than Maddox, he stays true to his principles of being a unfuckwithable asshole who rubs everybody's faces into some harsh truths, while Maddox has become yet another has-been LA comedian who needs to virtue signal in order to remain relevant.

[–]Bteatesthighlander1 40 ポイント41 ポイント  (1子コメント)

So your saying Dick is fairly successful because he's focusing on what matters? while Maddox is becoming less successful because he's contriving and inventing trivial and ignorant disputes no one can get behind?

in other words, Maddox Lost cus his problems fucking suck

[–]FortConspiracyKing of Kings 48 ポイント49 ポイント  (0子コメント)

DIIIIIIIIIIICK ISSSSSS THE WIIIIIIINNNNNEEEEEERRRR!!!!

[–]lago-m-orphDo you even know what is a libertarian?[S] 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (0子コメント)

My very first piece of reddit gold! Thanks! I don't actually know what reddit gold is used for, but I'm a libertarian, so I will probably bury it in my back yard

[–]EyeronicDA too small of a face 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (0子コメント)

More financial analysis should use the phrase "King Cuck".

[–]SnakeJerusalem 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

So let me get this straight... Maddox implies that Dick was being shady with the show's finance, Dick releases the show's revenue/expenses/taxes in response to that, and what is concluded is that the one who is actually owning money is Maddox to Dick???

[–]CaptainZM 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Excellent breakdown. Glad that somebody took the time to do this, and so thoroughly as well.

[–]MomentOfXenChaotic Neutral 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (10子コメント)

I wonder what his sponsors will think about his false subscriber and download stats,

Could you elaborate on this? I assume I missed a thread somewhere.

[–]lago-m-orphDo you even know what is a libertarian?[S] 26 ポイント27 ポイント  (9子コメント)

When he started the best debate, he highjacked all of the former subscribers and itunes reviews from Biggest Problem, then sold ads to sponsors USING those download/subscriber stats (again, that belonged to a different show).

He sold ads based on a false premise that the subscribers from Biggest Problem would 1) carry over to Best Debate and 2) would support his sponsors in the same way.

I'm making the case that this is all a confidence game against his sponsors and that they will see much lower ROI for their ads on best debate versus biggest problem.

[–]qrue 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (2子コメント)

The podcast App on iPhone also auto downloads new episodes by default, so hijacking the iTunes feed gave Maddox a lot of automatic downloads I'm sure from people who didn't know to disable this. Plenty of Biggest problem subs probably didnt turn this off, so Maddox has been getting all those old Subs grandfathered in downloads, so his stats are grossly unprepresentive of what's actually going on. A download =/= a listen in this case.

I didn't know this till recently, my phones been auto downloading This American life episodes for ages whenevr I'm on Wifi and there's a new episode and I never knew. Same for Dick and Maddox' show, though I actually listened to the Dick Episodes.

[–]elvenmonk 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

If you don't listen then why sub?

[–]qrue 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I subscribed to quite a few podcasts and I guess just never got too into them, but listened on occasion so didn't need to unsub or anything. Or in the case of Biggest problem, I subbed and listened but the show ended and I forgot to unsub, then the feed got hijacked by the indiana jones purse network.

[–]ShockinglyEfficient 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I also noticed he didn't bother to rebrand the show. "Biggest Problem in the Universe" "Best Debate in the Universe" using the same font and graphics. It almost makes it seem like it's the same show.

[–]billrightly 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (0子コメント)

to be fair, that font and styling is his main branding going back to the best page in the universe.

full disclosure though, maddox is a cuck

[–]MomentOfXenChaotic Neutral 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I know he had said something about his download count (500k when Dick's was at 450k I think), was wondering if we had some hard numbers showing him full of shit.

Will be very interesting to see what happens next, curious how Maddox has been handling Dick's response given he was put on the defensive from fans even before Dick touched this.

[–]FortConspiracyKing of Kings 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I looked at just the averages, Both Dick and Maddox are averaging a little over 30K downloads a week. Maddox's average is closer to 40k. But if you look at biggest problem. It averaged nearly 70k downloads a week. Just two weeks of left over subscribers would inflate Maddox's numbers dramatically. It's my opinion that had Best Debate started at 0 subscribers it would be significantly behind the Dick Show for Downloads.

[–]WeirdArsenioHall 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That was Maddox's from the week before. Madcast claimed 600,000 the week that Dick claimed 450,000.

[–]Red_Spectrum 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (2子コメント)

When did all this financial stuff become public? Was it:

  • Dick show episode from last week
  • Dick show episode from today
  • One of Maddox's podcasts
  • One of Maddox's videos
  • Released during the past few days through some other channel

Just curious. Good analysis though.

[–]lago-m-orphDo you even know what is a libertarian?[S] 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

from ep. 18 description on patreon

[–]sol_r 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's on thedickshow.com now

[–][deleted] 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Thank you to the OP who posted this. Very interesting read.

I don't know much about how this stuff works. But if someone were to send this information to Maddox's sponsors (regarding how he is riding on people who already had a subscription to the old show, who are not currently listening to the new show, therefor probably not going to buy any leather pocketbooks), could the sponsors look into this and cut him off? Or is there no way to prove that they are just subscribed to an old show that no longer exists?

[–]MattyReifs 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The comments on the show and thus the majority of the ratings PREDATE the release date of the first podcast in the feed and they talk about Dick being a cohost. If that's not damning enough, I don't know what is. But Harry's must know that the show changed and that Dick isn't reading the ad anymore so maybe the sponsors just don't care or negotiated a much smaller fee.

[–]MattyReifs 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

As far as I know, the Patreon fees are already accounted for in the displayed amount we see, that would make Dick's income higher than you specified. Also, a good way to see engagement would not be social media, but the site voting. Great post!

[–]lago-m-orphDo you even know what is a libertarian?[S] 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Corrected OP to not have additional patreoni fees

[–]Midgettogave me a sense of pride 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (6子コメント)

I think I'm missing something here.

There are three different accounts for the show, as far as I can tell: Maddox PayPal, Dick PayPal, and Ad Revenue. Maddox PayPal got Season Pass money, Dick PayPal got Single Episode money, and Ad Revenue got Ad money.

Aside from the "YouTube" tab on the Expenses spreadsheet, there isn't any itemizing of which expenses came from which account, so I'm not sure how you're supposed to distribute that accurately. Did Dick mention that he paid all of the expenses from his accounts and I just missed that?

If you assume the opposite (that all expensies were paid out of Maddox's Season Pass account (which might make sense because it had the most money in it)), then the numbers are much closer. I'll use use Dick's numbers instead of the fixed numbers here in the OP because the YouTube accounting seems to be self-contained:

TOTAL REVENUE: $60,987.42

TOTAL EXPENSE: $5,433.01 (I added in CDBaby and Fiverr, which (accidentally?) weren't included in the original SUM= from Dick's Excel sheet)

TOTAL PROFITS: $55,554.41

SPLIT PROFITS: $27,777.21 each

If Dick withdrew $15,416.69 from the Ad Revenue and $11,448.07 from the Single Episode Revenue (as it says on the Tax Draft), then he's up to $26,864.76. And if Maddox paid the expenses from the Season Pass account, he's down to $28,689.65 there, so he only owes Dick $912.44 from the Season Pass Revenue to get to the even split number. Which is still a big fault by Maddox (and a huge foul for him to try to call out Dick for accounting mistakes), but that is certainly less eggregous than ~$6k.

That "STILL UNPAID!" number is subtracting a profit from an income and ignoring where the deductions come from. In the 2014 Tax Draft calculations, it looks like those deductions were taken from the Season Pass account, because when you calculate for the "Transfer this to Dick" figure at the end, it's a result of this equation:

MADDOX PAYPAL - EXPENSES - MADDOX WITHDRAW = DICK TRANSFER

/u/lago-m-orph can you help me out? Or /u/DickMasterson am I reading your Excel sheet wrong? I feel like these numbers are kindof misleading without itemized expenses. I'm Team Dick all the way, but I'd like to be fiscally responsible about how annoyed I am with Maddox, outside of his slanderous character assassination of course.

[–]lago-m-orphDo you even know what is a libertarian?[S] 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Wow, I think you're way overthinking this.

Dick's tax draft document had a very simple formula: How much Maddox has in his Paypal minus how much Maddox is supposed to have been paid based on the profit split. The remainder goes to Dick. That does presume that Dick was handling all payments, which if I recall (from the episode that Dick said he handled all the money because he is "fastidious") is correct (the only thing Maddox paid for was the transcribers).

[–]DickMasterson 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Correct. The "Dick Paypal account" was only used to for PayPal microtransactions and to pay people. It covers expenses and was depleted once or twice before the show got going. It's a holding account for lack of a better word.

/u/Midgetto, I don't think you're wrong, but when it's time to figure out 2016, there will be much less in that account then there should be. Not a good system, but a necessary one unfortunately. All of the expenses I have were paid from that account or my cc.

I'm 100% sure there are math errors, but I would like to know if there's anything "suspicious".

[–]lago-m-orphDo you even know what is a libertarian?[S] 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

If anyone seriously suspected malfeasance, they would need to request receipts/invoices for every expense you claimed as well as documentation for the revenues. The spreadsheet itself isn't really sufficient proof of anything on its own.

[–]sintral 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Considering what spreadsheet programs are designed for, I would find math errors suspicious.

[–]multiversal_ -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

If you guys masterminded this whole drama to get more followers/listeners then you're both fucking genius.

[–]Midgettogave me a sense of pride 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I would be happy to be wrong about this (and trust me, I almost deleted everything and assumed I was overthinking), but then I saw that the 2014 Tax Draft tab was settled without issue. The numbers matched up because it assumed all expenses came from Maddox's Season Pass account. There is a huge discrepancy in 2015's Tax tab because those expenses aren't accounted for when determining how much Maddox owes Dick from his Season Pass money, as far as I can tell.

[–]Ashanmarilautismo 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Is the 5% Patreoni cut referring to Patreon's cut from the money? Because I'm pretty sure the number you see on the page is adjusted after their cut. I could be wrong though.

[–]lago-m-orphDo you even know what is a libertarian?[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

just checked, and you're correct! will adjust my numbers now.

[–]serialkillerpod 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is a fantastic post. Great job :D

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    [–]YeAdventurer 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    You've misunderstood. It's Maddox who owes Dick that amount.

    [–]ChaosCowboy 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Hey bud, great analysis. I have a question, though, why do you estimate hourly wage in your analysis. I would assume that the hours put into the show, and the nature of the work the show entails, resemble a salaried position more than an hourly one. Is it to demonstrate a point(that Dick is making more money doing way less work, even by conservative estimates), or is it some sort of standard accounting practice?

    [–]lago-m-orphDo you even know what is a libertarian?[S] 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    time is money. you should always think of your time in terms of $/hour, that includes when you're salaried.

    [–]ChaosCowboy 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Hmm, don't know if I agree completely, but I take your point.

    [–]Stiffalis420 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I know this isn't what you were trying to say at all, but there is a good chance Dick is paying all those people double what they would've gotten paid had they contributed some to the biggest problem. After all, chonne get's paid more on this podcast than any other podcast he works on!

    Also, I am one of those in the category of "massive number of former fans." I drive for a living, and have milked podcasts dry. I sometimes literally have nothing better to do other than to listen to maddox's new show, even though if it's one of the better episodes calling it mediocre would be a stretch, it's just better than silence, and I will never buy anything from any of his sponsers unless done so on my own accord and for reasons completely different than me hearing about it on his network.

    [–]lago-m-orphDo you even know what is a libertarian?[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Updated OP with new notes regarding my underestimation of TDS's profit margin.